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angel
09-11-2001, 03:16 PM
after 18 minutes after the first plane ... the second one crashed into the other tower of the world trade center....




was it a attack !?!?!?!?!?

OMG !


i just saw the second plane crash as it happened ...
so euhm i think it was an attack!

Nait
09-11-2001, 03:18 PM
We were just speculating that here at school watching at BBC World... Damn.

Wyllius
09-11-2001, 03:25 PM
It certainly looks to be deliberate. I wonder who'll claim responsibility for it, and then what country will be smoten down to the ice age.

angel
09-11-2001, 03:34 PM
i think so Wyll...


as long as they don't use the A-bomb

Ace Protorney
09-11-2001, 03:37 PM
<font color="61BACC">This isn't good. I didn't think this would happen. Oh well. O_o

Nait
09-11-2001, 03:40 PM
Rumours tell two United Airlines Planes were hijacked just before this... Damn.

Alpha
09-11-2001, 03:40 PM
Hmph, thats the stupidist thing i've seen all year.

Who the hell would crash 2 airplains in a row into the World trade center? That's just stupid.

Nait
09-11-2001, 03:43 PM
Terrorists, I'd say. Or it could be some great big screw-up.

angel
09-11-2001, 03:52 PM
the white house has been evacuated and
the pentagon is on fire...

Cactuar2000
09-11-2001, 03:53 PM
Islamic Extremist Attacks more than likely..

They've just evacuated the White House XD

angel
09-11-2001, 04:08 PM
state department on fire

the second tower of the trade center collapsed....



crap man ...


they say benladin is behind it ...

the sears towers now 2....


what the heck....

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 04:09 PM
I'm watching live pictures right now. The World trade center is collapsing.

This is just horrible.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 04:12 PM
Oh lord this is bad, why aren't there any fireman in choppers controlling that fire. Do something my god do anything, their just watching it collapse. >_< And more buildings are beeing attacked? This is bad...

Ace Protorney
09-11-2001, 04:13 PM
<font color="61BACC">This isn't a laughing matter Cack. >:( This is serious. Terrorists could crash into the White House as well. :(

Wyllius
09-11-2001, 04:15 PM
If it is Benladin, then I'd suggest that all his terrorist cohorts Pray to allah for a swift death because I can forsee a bloody retribution by the US ending with Benladin's head on a plate.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
09-11-2001, 04:16 PM
The Pentagon, the Capitol, and the White House's west wing are all being evacuated. All New York airports have been closed, and Manhattan has been sealed off. Hopefully, this will stop anybody from causing anymore damage, but the damage that has already been inflicted is...unbelievable. The upper halves of the twin towers are up in black smoke...

My stomach hurts.

Ace Protorney
09-11-2001, 04:23 PM
This is the worst terrorist attack to ever happen in the US. Much more worse than the explosion in Oklahoma City in 1995.

Cactuar2000
09-11-2001, 04:24 PM
You think I laugh when people die? Thanks for the credit Proto.. The XD was next to evacuation, nothing else.

The hijacked 767 came from Boston though, so more could theoretically still happen..

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 04:27 PM
6 confirmed deaths so far. I hope that count doesn't increase much anymore. This is so shocking.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 04:29 PM
And people ain't doing nothing, where are the neat choppers saving thousends of lives?

Danni
09-11-2001, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Naitsirk
Rumours tell two United Airlines Planes were hijacked just before this... Damn.

THREE planes were hijacked.. two crashed into the world trade center, and one is heading towards virginia right now. an explosion at the pentagon, a fire at the washington mall, and a reported bomb at the state building in nyc...this is so awful... :(

The second twin tower is gone now.. :(

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Danni


THREE planes were hijacked.. two crashed into the world trade center, and one is heading towards virginia right now. an explosion at the pentagon, a fire at the washington mall, and a reported bomb at the state building in nyc...this is so awful... :(

The second twin tower is gone now.. :(

These planes, where there people in there?

Melted Snowman
09-11-2001, 04:46 PM
http://hem.bredband.net/bjomat/crash_cnn.mpg

I'm sure nobody really wants to see that again ... but ..

angel
09-11-2001, 04:50 PM
could someone sticky this ????


oh and kishi check your pm please ?

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 04:54 PM
Another one just crashed near Pittsburgh. Jesus, how many more are these out there?

angel
09-11-2001, 05:03 PM
Arafat Condemns Plane Attacks in U.S.


GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat condemned the aircraft attacks Tuesday on the World Trade Center in New York and on the Pentagon in Washington.

"I send my condolences, the condolences of the Palestinian people to American President (George W.) Bush and his government and to the American people for this terrible act," Arafat told reporters in Gaza.

"We completely condemn this serious operation...We were completely shocked. It's unbelievable, unbelievable, unbelievable."

An anonymous caller told Abu Dhabi television earlier on Tuesday that a radical Palestinian group was responsible for the attacks, but the group later denied any involvement.

Palestinians have been waging an uprising against Israeli occupation since last September.


(source icq.com)

Dr Unne
09-11-2001, 05:07 PM
I'm feeling kind of good right now that the one aimed at Pittsburgh missed. But this is just sick. I don't know if they're going ot evacuate my city or not. So I might disappear for awhile. I don't really know what's going on.

I think there's still at least on more plane up there. I'm not sure though. I just woke up, when my dad called me.

Whoever did this to us is going to be so destroyed. This is more than enough to start a war. I don't know what they were thinking. There's no way we're going to let anyone get away with this.

IlGreven
09-11-2001, 05:08 PM
Groups that could do this: Bin-Laden, the PLO, the IRA, various disgruntled groups at home...

I'm thinking it's connected with Bin-Laden or the PLO...

When Bush speaks, he's going to declare a national state of emergency, close the borders, ground the planes (that's already happened), order AF planes to shoot unauthorized aircraft down if they don't land, and impose martial law in New York, Virginia, and Maryland at least...and maybe the entire country...

And I wouldn't blame him...

And I think the one that crashed near Pittsburgh was headed for the Sears Tower...

Dr Unne
09-11-2001, 05:11 PM
There are some big buildings in Pittsburgh too. The USX tower for example. But who knows. There's nothing really important here. I don't know if it was headed here or not.

Frihet
09-11-2001, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Kupopoi


These planes, where there people in there?
I think someone mentioned 150 people/plane, atleast when it comes to the ones that crashed into the World Trade Center.

PS: Why should an entire country be "smoten down to the ice age", when it's probably the work of a terrorist organization? Oh well..

PS nr.2: Why talk about revenge when the injured haven't even been treated yet? Sheesh..

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 05:14 PM
I didn't know any of this was happening...well, if the Americans are in a bind, we helpful English always join them, so I'm getting nervous too...

I hope everything's alright - take care everyone. I'm so worried about you all...

I have that uneasy queasy feeling...

I can't believe this is happening...World War 3 anyone?

[EDIT]I've just seen the videos on the news, everywhere is in smoke and there's a "Great Number of Lives that have been lost" according to the presenter. Tony Blair just said that USA and England will be getting together to Eradicate the problem. That means retaliation and...possibly a war?!

Words can't express how frightened and shocked I am. :(

Seifer
09-11-2001, 05:15 PM
Looks like I won't be going on the Washington D.C. class trip this November....

I don't like this...not one bit.

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Rainecloud
World War 3 anyone?


No. Don't even say that.>_<

Terrorists most likely did this, not some superpower.

Dr Unne
09-11-2001, 05:20 PM
<i>PS nr.2: Why talk about revenge when the injured haven't even been treated yet? Sheesh..</i>

I'm not talking about revenge. I don't think we should go after whoever did it right this second. But eventually, we'll have to, if only to stop this from happening again.

I doubt this'll be WWIII though.

Frihet
09-11-2001, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
I'm not talking about revenge. I don't think we should go after whoever did it right this second. But eventually, we'll have to, if only to stop this from happening again.

I doubt this'll be WWIII though.

I never said you did, Unne..

But I hope that the US will have enough common sense to only go after the organizations, and not the entire middle east... but you never know. :(

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 05:26 PM
Reports suggest that there were 20 000 people inside the towers when they collapsed.:( This is so awfull.

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 05:28 PM
Terrorists...

I hope this is sorted out quickly and easily, without much more bloodshed...

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Frihet

I think someone mentioned 150 people/plane, atleast when it comes to the ones that crashed into the World Trade Center.

Damn, and can you believe people are partying in Palastania? The monsters...

Danni
09-11-2001, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Mikztsu



No. Don't even say that.>_<

Terrorists most likely did this, not some superpower.

*seconds that*

Dear God, the more I watch this the more my stomach is turning.. *hugs Unne and everyone else*

I've just heard there are 8 planes that were hijacked... 2 crashed in nyc, 1 at the pentagon, and 1 in Pennsylvania.... 4 are not found yet.. this is really creepy..

I hope everyone is ok.. i'm so worried about ya'll

Doofhull
09-11-2001, 05:32 PM
God, I'm so scared. My Aunt Deb works at Verizon in Philadelphia, and John-Paul (HPPH) lives near an airport...

What if this is war? :cry:

angel
09-11-2001, 05:33 PM
they should be hunted down ...
as long as they keep europe out of it



i want indira!!!!

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by angel
they should be hunted down ...
as long as they keep europe out of it



i want indira!!!!

How can you worry about your own arse in a time like this...

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 05:35 PM
It's becoming more serious every single minute. Everyone take care, and if anything happens...don't panic. Just hope...trust in God...

Danni
09-11-2001, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Rydia of Mist
God, I'm so scared. My Aunt Deb works at Verizon in Philadelphia, and John-Paul (HPPH) lives near an airport...

What if this is war? :cry:

*hugs Rydia* I know what you mean.. a lot of people I know work near the world trade center *is very worried*

angel.. wtf? :( why be so self worried at this point.. so many people are injured and some are dead...:(

Sephex
09-11-2001, 05:42 PM
This is crap...they got the pentegon and over 1000 planes are still in the sky...this is bad.....The US is going to delare war :(

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 05:43 PM
I'm don't even bother to comment that your previous comment Angel.*_*

What also starts pissing me off are those coward pilots who controlled those planes.
I kinda doubt that these terrorists are capable of flying these huge passenger planes, at least to crash so accurately.

If these pilots crashed on these buildings just to get few minutes more living time, that's so despisable.

Bongo Monkey
09-11-2001, 05:43 PM
Another plane has been spotted on its way to Washington, and a squadron of fighters has been dispatched, under orders to "take it out".

This is really scary stuff. Even if it doesn't lead to war, we're looking at a global stock market crash. I'm just thankful I'm probably too old to be called up (I hope).

As for 6 people confirmed dead. Come on. All the eye-witnesses reported seeing hundreds of people leaping out of the windows. And I'm not just talking about the lower floors. A lot of innocent people have died today.

A minute's silence, please.

Squally Leonharty
09-11-2001, 05:51 PM
Some facts:

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.

• In the first attack, a plane hit the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapsed.

• American Airlines Boeing 767 that had been hijacked after take-off from Boston. American Airlines told CNN that it lost two planes in "tragic accidents," one leaving Boston with 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard, and the second leaving Washington Dulles airport with 58 passengers and six crew aboard. Both planes were en route to Los Angeles

• About an hour later, a plane crashed into the Pentagon in Washington, part of which later collapsed.

• Sources say a second plane was heading toward the Pentagon; F-16 jets were in the air monitoring it.

• The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol, the CIA and all other government buildings in Washington evacuated.

• In the first ever national ground stop of aircraft, all flights nationwide have been stopped at their departure airports.

• All international flights were diverted to Canada.

• Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world.

• President Bush cancelled an appearance in Florida to return to Washington, calling the crashes "apparent terrorist attacks" and "a national tragedy."

• In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated; United Nations in New York evacuated.

• The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated.

• The New York Port Authority said it had closed all bridges and tunnels into the city.

• New York's Bellevue Hospital was designated command central for handling the catastrophe. Several hospitals have already reported receiving victims with burns and head injuries.

• Large plane crashed 80 miles south of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, but it was unknown if this crash was connected to terrorist attacks.

• U.S. stock markets were closed after the New York attacks.

Burtsplurt
09-11-2001, 05:55 PM
Apparently 156 people were on the two American Airlines aeroplanes. The news reporters / experts etc... are guessing at hundreds of fatalities.

It's sick.

I've just seen pictures of Jerusalem with Palestines (literally) partying in the street. :( . I know they don't like America but that is ridiculous.

Leeza
09-11-2001, 05:57 PM
I can't believe that I woke up to this this morning! How can people do these things? This is just way too scary! Doesn't feel good at all. Our radio station is talking WWIII! My prayers go to all of you who are out there.

Frihet
09-11-2001, 05:58 PM
'The news reporters / experts etc... are guessing at hundreds of fatalities.' ~ Burtsplurt

I'd say thousands..

I heard on the news that airlines are reporting missing planes all the time.. but I don't know.. Oh my..

Wyllius
09-11-2001, 06:06 PM
I'm in the thinking that this is the work of Binladen with the support of some shadowy middle east Governments.

I hope they prove this and serve his head on a plate.

Mad-psycho
09-11-2001, 06:08 PM
I didn't come home from school expecting this kind of tragedy to be on the news:(. I hope it doesn't lead to anything more major IE. war. I don't live in america (scotland) but no more bloodshed is neccessary. The people who did this.....words can't describe how evil and cold hearted they must be.

I doubt this'll be WWIII though.
I really hope you are right about that:(

Cactuar2000
09-11-2001, 06:09 PM
The FBI has been after that guy for years though, he'll be ever more low-key though now. Although he won't have done himself any favours with all this.. the whole world will be after his ass now.

Endless
09-11-2001, 06:15 PM
Meh. I hope everyone is okay there (Families, friends and all).


I heard about it during a break this afternoon.
This is so sick.

My thoughts are with all of those who have to face the situation.

Dr Unne
09-11-2001, 06:18 PM
There have to be tens of thousands of people dead. Both whole WTC Towers fell completely over. This is worse than anything that's ever happened to America.

I've heard there are 7 planes "missing", four of which are definitely highjacked and still in the air. All of the ones that are definitely highjacked are in CA, most heading for LA.

I doubt this'll be war though. Most countries will side with us. It won't be a war. We'll just fly over whoever did this and bomb them out of existence. We could probably do it ourselves, let alone with all the other countries behind us.

Some girl just came running into our room here because she has relatives who work in NYC, and in the Pentagon. I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank God for the great job he's done so far. THANKS GOD!!!!

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by Mikztsu
I'm don't even bother to comment that your previous comment Angel.*_*

What also starts pissing me off are those coward pilots who controlled those planes.
I kinda doubt that these terrorists are capable of flying these huge passenger planes, at least to crash so accurately.

If these pilots crashed on these buildings just to get few minutes more living time, that's so despisable.

Don't throw the blame on the pilots, they could have used proffesionals to control the planes and just shoot the pilots. Maybe they tried their best to prevent this from happening...

Cactuar2000
09-11-2001, 06:21 PM
The people behind it are allegedly the FDLP. Being an organisation and not a country it'd be awfully hard to go to war with them, they live secretive lives, spread everywhere, and rely on attention grabbing attacks like these, along with car bombings and such.

If they were to try anything like that, they know that all the miltary superpowers would side with the USA, people appear to have mis-interpreted Tony Blair's vow to help the United States.. he meant aid in tragedy, not ally in revenge.

Don't forget that once a plane is in the air, it's not hard to keep it there..civilians have flown them in emeergencies many times...

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 06:27 PM
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

O_O

Ashi
09-11-2001, 06:32 PM
The most annoying thing is that .. the planes that crashed into the trade centre were civilian planes. Normal people, like the rest of us, were in them when they were hijacked. It's not fair.

If the pilots who hijacked were forced to do this, or paid or whatever, and like, didn't care if they died ... the rest of the people on the plain probably wanted to live.

It's so not fair.

I know, I'm late in talking about the planes but ...

Everyone's scared ... *hugs everyone*.

Godspeed..

Super Christ
09-11-2001, 06:42 PM
I myself wouldn't neccessarily trust Nostrurdamus - he also predicted that something big and scary was going to come from the sky in 1999...

I myself feel sick to my stomach. So many people... something must be done.

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 06:43 PM
Posted by Kupo

"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

If he predicted the others right...who's to say he's not right this time?

I'm scared.

Ashi
09-11-2001, 06:47 PM
They did predict that a city will burn but cities did burn before.

It doesn't mean anything.

I don't believe in predicting things like that.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 06:52 PM
Well with brothers, you could think of twin towers. With big city you could think of New york, and the third war... Wo III? And the 1999 thing, the years where miscounted a long time ago, the real millenium should have been 2001...

*Scared* It's Defcon 2 O_O

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 06:54 PM
The City of God, I believe is Jerusalem. It's always been known as that. Something more is about to happen...something terrible...

Super Christ
09-11-2001, 06:55 PM
Ahh well. I myself would say this isn't the time to argue whether or not Nosturdamus is right.

What a way to wake up, with a phone call from your mom saying we're under attack and a war may start.

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 07:00 PM
You're right Christ, I agree. Let's not speculate, let's just prepare.

Dr Unne
09-11-2001, 07:23 PM
You can interpret Nostradamus to mean anything you want. It's a load of crap. If he said "Planes will be rammed into buildings on September 11, 2001", that'd be something significant. A metaphor is nothing.

<i>If they were to try anything like that, they know that all the miltary superpowers would side with the USA, people appear to have mis-interpreted Tony Blair's vow to help the United States.. he meant aid in tragedy, not ally in revenge. </i>

I don't know why everyone keeps calling it "revenge". It's not revenge. Revenge is unjustified. Getting rid of whoever did this will be justice, not revenge.

Bronze
09-11-2001, 07:35 PM
No good will come of this... Going to war may be a possibity, however we do not even know who is reponseable of this unjust action so the best advice I can give is to keep a clear head and pray for the people who have died here today...

angel
09-11-2001, 07:45 PM
i condemn the guy's who did this ...
damn those losers


people in the usa
think clearly before you act ...

BatChao
09-11-2001, 07:47 PM
I just saw on the news Palastinians partying in the streets. The terrorist expert said that they are happy cuz now the Americans knows the pain they've suffered for a long time. That's kinda...messed up. Lotsa people are getting hurt and stuff and they are all dancing and singing. They were. I saw them.

Super Christ
09-11-2001, 07:51 PM
I wish I could do something. I would go give blood but... it'd take a week to get it to New York by car, and well - obviously it's not gonna get there by plane.

Sick people on the west bank, celebrating. I almost wish we would attack them or something. Except that would be just as evil as what happened to us. So no I don't want us to. Damn.

[Edit] To make myself clear - no we shouldn't attack them or anything for celebrating. It is merely extremely difficult not to be infuriated at someone who celebrates the deaths of 10,000 people.

Ashi
09-11-2001, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by BatChao
.kinda...messed up. Lotsa people are getting hurt and stuff and they are all dancing and singing. They were. I saw them.

I don't think they have anything to do with it.

Those people suffered for too long, ya know. For most of their lives, their children were taken away from them, beaten, killed ... you know.

I'm not saying I'm not sorry for what happened. I am. It's too horrible and it won't just affect America, it'll affect the whole world. :(

But I'm jus saying ... maybe I can understand why would they be happy..

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 07:54 PM
Jesus, stop these end of the World talks already!

I just saw the interview of ex-prime minister of Israel (Can't remember his name), and he says that every country (including Russian, China, Japan) and union has to put their hands together and hunt down the terrorism. He also said said that this wasn't just attack against USA, it was also attack againts way of life.

I really can't believe that countries like Russian or China has anything aganst what USA is about to do, and I even excpect that they will side with USA.



Still about those pilots, yes they could've been terrorist pilots. If terrorists weren't pilots, I'm pretty sure they didn't fly those planes. I really think it's impossible for just anyone to land with passenger plane, not to mention crash so accurately in those buildings. I'm not judging anyone before I hear anything about it.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Mikztsu
Still about those pilots, yes they could've been terrorist pilots. If terrorists weren't pilots, I'm pretty sure they didn't fly those planes. I really think it's impossible for just anyone to land with passenger plane, not to mention crash so accurately in those buildings. I'm not judging anyone before I hear anything about it.

Experts said on the Television that when one plain is in the air, and the weather is as clear as it was, it is very easy to control a plain. Even for someone who has never ever controlled a plain.


Originally posted by Dr. Unne
You can interpret Nostradamus to mean anything you want. It's a load of crap. If he said "Planes will be rammed into buildings on September 11, 2001", that'd be something significant. A metaphor is nothing.

So you are telling that if the prediction is not accurate enough it is crap, even though the first two wars he predicted where right and now there is chance his third one may be right as well?

bennator
09-11-2001, 08:03 PM
This is very shocking ot me. As I sit here in class, my school is in shock. All activities are canceled at my school. I think it's overreacting, but, beter safe than sorry.

Super Christ
09-11-2001, 08:03 PM
Then there's the comparisons to Pearl Harbor - this is much worse. First, there's been more casualties than Pearl Harbor if I remember correctly, second they're all civilians and not a military post, and third; in Pear Harbor, we knew who attacked us; we don't know who attacked us now. We have our suspicions, but we don't know exactly who it is.

crono_logical
09-11-2001, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Kupopoi


Damn, and can you believe people are partying in Palastania? The monsters...

Er, no, remeber that America is aiding Iraq with weapons/money to help them fight Palestine, Palastinians should be expected to be celebrating at this happenning.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by crono_logical


Er, no, remeber that America is aiding Iraq with weapons/money to help them fight Palestine, Palastinians should be expected to be celebrating at this happenning.

No they should not since 10.000 of innocent people has died, maybe some of them Palastinians. This proofes how sick some people in this world really are...

Super Christ
09-11-2001, 08:11 PM
I don't think so - Iran I'd believe, but Iraq is Housein's country. But I thought we were trying to work out peace between the Palestinians and the rest of Israel. Maybe I'm wrong? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Anyone who celebrates the death of so many people is sick.

Tarshish
09-11-2001, 08:14 PM
10,000 are declared dead. That number is hard to grasp. They said on the news that bin Laden had been training men to be pilots. This is so sick.

Cz
09-11-2001, 08:17 PM
You know what sickens me? The pictures of people celebrating, celebrating the attack on the 'evil' that is the United States.

Well, I'll dance on their graves when their own god sends them to hell for doing a thing like that.

I'm scared like hell of this becoming a war. And if the US are involved, the UK's going to be in it too, and I don't want war of any kind.

I always thought the world was a bad place. But now they're saying the world will change forever? I don't want that. Why do people do this, just for religion?

They sometimes say that a place is hell on Earth...if stuff like this can happen, Earth already is hel.

The little s___s. I utterly hate them.

crono_logical
09-11-2001, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Kupopoi


No they should not since 10.000 of innocent people has died, maybe some of them Palastinians. This proofes how sick some people in this world really are...

But then you aren't counting the thousands of innocent people in Palestine which Iraqi soldiers have killed or seriously injured, and yet western media cover this all up. I have pictures/video footage of this happenning, but I think posting something a greusome as that here would get me banned. Trust me, those pictures are even more sick than what you see on your TV screens right now.

EDIT: Sorry if I sound unsympathetic for those Americans, but I always tend to look at everything from all angles, hence why I understand why the Palestinains are happy, although most people in the world generally wouldn't be.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by crono_logical


But then you aren't counting the thousands of innocent people in Palestine which Iraqi soldiers have killed or seriously injured, and yet western media cover this all up. I have pictures/video footage of this happenning, but I think posting something a greusome as that here would get me banned. Trust me, those pictures are even more sick than what you see on your TV screens right now.

EDIT: Sorry if I sound unsympathetic for those Americans, but I always tend to look at everything from all angles, hence why I understand why the Palestinains are happy, although most people in the world generally wouldn't be.

That's a war between religion, and not between America. The Palestines killed just like the Iraqi. I don't think that gives them the right to kill innocent hardworking Americans who never supplied anything to them.

Super Christ
09-11-2001, 08:24 PM
I'm not going to hate them. I'm not going to stoop to their level. But I am infuriated. I do call them sick. I will hold it against them for quite a while. Geez, we certainly dont celebrate massacres, not even of our enemies. That's why the army was under fire from the public for Vietnam.

crono_logical
09-11-2001, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Kupopoi


That's a war between religion, and not between America. The Palestines killed just like the Iraqi. I don't think that gives them the right to kill innocent hardworking Americans who never supplied anything to them.

I know, which explains their feelings regardless of whether they were involved or not. I was just pointing that out, simply because to me it seems that everyone is biased towards America (maybe they should be in this case), but then using their point of view to label the thoughts of others without considering why. I prefer to stay neutral and not side with or against America, it leaves you better informed of <I>why</I> this is happenning, should it be found out.

Kupopoi
09-11-2001, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by crono_logical


I know, which explains their feelings regardless of whether they were involved or not. I was just pointing that out, simply because to me it seems that everyone is biased towards America (maybe they should be in this case), but then using their point of view to label the thoughts of others without considering why. I prefer to stay neutral and not side with or against America, it leaves you better informed of <I>why</I> this is happenning, should it be found out.

Yes I understand what you mean, we are all looking for someone to blaim on... wich is not good. I have no idea what they have been trough and maybe in their situation I would be happy as well. I won't side eighter, let us just praise those poeple are in a better place.

Rascal
09-11-2001, 08:36 PM
*takes a moment of silence*

"...." :cry:

Bad, really bad. I'm deeply concerned and scared.

You shouldn't blame people in Europe or other parts in the world for thinking 'Thank God that it didn't happen to me/us' in the first moment, it's just a natural reaction to bad things. In the first moments of the shock you take some comfort in the fact that you, your relatives and friends are alive. I too, calmed myself with this a bit. But then I saw pictures of the American embassy in Berlin being closed. Security men with drawn weapons and a tank! Then I knew for sure, that this incident was something that concerns the whole world. All countries should work together to fight global terrorism.

A turning point in history? Maybe.
A day to be remembered? Cerntainly.

More than 10.000 people killed... :(
My stomach hurts... :( :(

dunno
09-11-2001, 08:37 PM
it is sick I live in baltimore an hour from d.c. and like two from NY and we are freaked. we know the chance of us getting hit is rare but we are all in shock they say 50,000 people worked in those buildings and they estimate only 2,000 were evacuated after the first plane hit. Then striking the pentigon puts everyboby at risk of nuclear attacks and what then the bomb at the state department and they say something happened at the white house. These are truly sick people. We are going to hunt these people down and I would bet the get the death penelty. and they say over 1 hundred people were on each plane and all the debry falling on people it is just sick.

as for who did it i would guess a major terreist group and probably a country supported them fincial because this was a well planned attack agianst civilian targets. so i wouls say from the middle east definatly not IRA or some people with too much free time

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 08:41 PM
I knew that Palestinians would celebrate this. It's just that they see USA as evil, their children grow up hearing how evil they are. They really hate US and maybe for reason. They think it's honor the be a human bomb. While ago I read an article how Palestinian father proudly said how his son will be suicide bomber. Life doesn't mean much to them. There's lots of anger and hate in these people, and that shows.

So yeah, that didn't surprise me at all how they were celebrating. In their eyes evil died today. It seems sick, but their society has made them like that.

It's so sad.

edczxcvbnm
09-11-2001, 08:59 PM
I hope what ever group is behind this gets torchered in the worst ways imaginable. Estimated about 10,000 dead and probably more injured. This may lead to war but with all the nuclear arms a war is the last thing anyone wants to happen. I wonder if school is closed...probably not. Most schools in chicago are closed so who knows?

Cz
09-11-2001, 08:59 PM
I'd just like to offer my condolences to everyone who has suffered losses todya. You know, we've been talking about who did it, and why they did it. But we are ignoring the fact that thousands died today.
It could have so easily been us...so I offer my condolances, to the family of those who died today.

Garnet of Alexandria
09-11-2001, 09:02 PM
Even though I'm in the UK (England) I'm speechless by this tragedy. I got back from my work experience to see the news on the tele and the first thing I saw was footage of the second plane crashing into the second Tower of the World Trade Centre. I was horrified.

The news sickened me and I know that once the culprits and the country that backed them finicially are found, the USA will not hesitate to totally level that country.

If you have lost any relatives or anything in this tragedy then you have my deepest sympathy.

I'm pretty scared that London will be attacked because my area is only five minutes away from London.

So I wish you all good luck in getting through this crisis and I hope this dosen't lead to anything bigger, and hopefully not a 3rd World War.

*look's up at post* Gee... I sound like Tony Blair *lol*.. You can always count on me for a laugh in times of crisis..

Anyway I'm going to go and watch the news so I'll post as soon as I'm thinking straight again k?

Bye!

Dr Unne
09-11-2001, 09:03 PM
crono_logical: There is absolutely no justification for anyone to take pleasure in the death of anyone else. Americans do not sit around celebrating the deaths of people in Palestine. We think it is horrible. Why the heck does everyone think Americans are evil? I do not understand it at all.

Taking pleasure in the deaths of innocents is sickening in every way. Even if the people killed by this attack were evil in some way, which they most certainly were not, it still would be wrong to celebrate their deaths. Anyone who thinks they have the right or that there might be even the slightest justification for this is a sick demented filthy animal. Murder is wrong, PERIOD. Nothing justifies killing innocent people.

The amount of dead has to be more than 10,000. There were 50,000 people in the building, and many tens of thousands more on the streets, or in businesses nearby, or in the subway that goes right under the building. And there's still the people in the Pentagon that were killed, not to mention the peopel on the planes.

This world is a sick place full of sick people. I can't just can't stand it sometimes.

Mikztsu
09-11-2001, 09:06 PM
Same here Black Mage.


I also believe that this situation can be turned upside down. That Superpowers like Russia, China et cetera would join USA in their fight againts the terrorism and would try attempt to kill it for good.

People who are still thinking of World War, it's not gonna happen. I can't see any way how there would be a World War. I doubt that Russia or China would attack USA when they go to terrorist hunting. As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if they helped them.

I guess leaders of these Superpowers knows what will happen if they use nuclear weapons, so you can forget the World End also. Nobody wants it, and it won't happen.

There are no Hitlers, Stalins, or other sickos in the charge anymore.







EDIT: Yeah, it's sick Dr.Unne. MAny of them just have been raised that way, and it's horrible.

Awrini
09-11-2001, 09:08 PM
This is nothing as to what I expected... I've been wondering why this has been happening... I had really gotten scared when Somerset County in PA was hit because I only live about 20 miles from there. The estimated casualties hit 10,000. I really hope for the best for all the families that lost relatives.

Chaos
09-11-2001, 09:15 PM
Yeah, I heard about it in Physics.
I didn't know the extent of the damage when I was at school. Me and a few 6 formers (12th Grade?) Were laughing over it, saying how come they couldn't of aimed at Bush, that sort of thing. But, yeah, got home, saw the news and well, this is pretty big.
But, I doubt they will be a war. From what we know, the attack was not ordered by a government, thus no war can come of it, well, not a world war. But, I'm rather shocked at my behaviour.
I did nothing.
Yup, thats right, nothing. I shrugged it off when I first heard and when I saw the footage, nothing. Yeah, I felt angry towards the people who did it, but...nothing else. No surge of emotion or anything, I saw the crash and I thought nothing of it, just like I would a film.
It's shocking isn't it.
But then again...
It just shows how accustomed we are to wrong doing. We see violence on the news, masses lying dead, masacred in the East, but we dont have big threads like this do we? We don't say 'isn't it a shame?'...nor do we have an uproar. This is just the same though isn't it?
Isn't one life lost as bad as 1000?
It's only when it's closer to home that we notice, that we grieve, that we say isn't it a crying shame, should'nt these sick people be brought to justice.
Maybe we only care about things that are on our doorsteps.
Just think about what I've said, don't bother flaming me, dont say how sick and uncaring I am. Just apply it to you. For most of you it will fit.

God bless the families who lost their loved ones.

Chaos

Daryl
09-11-2001, 09:29 PM
I didn't read this whole thread, but I'm sure anything factual I could add has already been said.

I'm feeling physically ill at both the sheer horror of the situation, and the sheer relief that my parents flew home yesterday, and not today. And I'm a little scared; I'm not too far from Chicago, and I have a brother (along with his sister and their son) who live in a Chicago suburb.

School is being infested with terrified paranoia, yet no classes or anything has been cancelled. So we all go to class adn talk about this the whole time, getting nothing done. In my music rehersals, we've tried to practice, and we all sound horrible singing, hands shaking on keys. My piano teacher was nearly in tears because her sister works at the United Nations complex and her family has not heard from the sister yet.

I don't know what else to say. I just hope we get this resolved quickly, with minimal carnage. Too many ahve died already. And what really pisses me off, is that they were primarily innocent, innocent to whatever cause of teh terrorists (i.e., those on the hijacked planes). Their deaths didn't even have meaning for the terrorists, they were just in the wrong plane at the wrong time. Horrible.

QuisFarisFuu
09-11-2001, 09:39 PM
These people . . .

This whole mess is so foolish. How does a terrorist's mind work? Why is killing a large group of civilians supposed to help whatever cause motivated this? How can a person believe that an entire country is unified in evil? SHAME.

(Side note, regarding fanatical education - members of the Taliban state that they care for nothing but the Quran . . . and a lot of them can't read.)

And the Palestinians dancing in the streets - DAMN those idiots. Do they seriously think that no one in the U.S. belives they deserve a homeland? That every American is behind Israeli actions all the way? Particular Israelis and particular Palestinians have done evil, evil things to innocent people in the Middle East. But I try to believe that most people are just people, concerned about their work and their families, but unwilling to destroy the families and livelihoods of others. The dancing in the streets tests that belief. I hope that in Palestine there are many who feel for those killed and wounded in the U.S. just as many of us here feel for the victims there.

Please - no more.

Twisted Heat
09-11-2001, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by edczxcvbnm
I hope what ever group is behind this gets torchered in the worst ways imaginable. Estimated about 10,000 dead and probably more injured. This may lead to war but with all the nuclear arms a war is the last thing anyone wants to happen. I wonder if school is closed...probably not. Most schools in chicago are closed so who knows?

Puh-lease! There is gonna be war now! I'm sorry to say it, EVRYBODY hates war! Mr. Bush...is blood thristy...he said "I will hunt down whoever did this and they will pay dearly..."

GOODY!! This just in...DoD is talking...looks like there is a possibility, a good one (evil) that there will be war...if they find out...

this is very horrible...*bows head in silence for the victims of this aweful, tragic attack*

Kawaii Ryűkishi
09-11-2001, 09:53 PM
Florida Governer Jeb Bush has asked three things of the citizens of Florida: to wave our American flags at half-mast, to contact blood centers and donate our blood to the injured who need it, and to pray for the tens of thousands of people who have been injured or killed.

I don't own an American flag (I'm not what you'd call a patriot), but I am already looking into donating my blood and am constantly praying (not to God, but in general) for the safety of the initial survivers.

I implore you citizens of other states to carry out Jeb's requests as well, at least to the best of your ability. It's the least you can do.

Shadowdust
09-11-2001, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
crono_logical: There is absolutely no justification for anyone to take pleasure in the death of anyone else. Americans do not sit around celebrating the deaths of people in Palestine. We think it is horrible. Why the heck does everyone think Americans are evil? I do not understand it at all.

Taking pleasure in the deaths of innocents is sickening in every way. Even if the people killed by this attack were evil in some way, which they most certainly were not, it still would be wrong to celebrate their deaths. Anyone who thinks they have the right or that there might be even the slightest justification for this is a sick demented filthy animal. Murder is wrong, PERIOD. Nothing justifies killing innocent people.

The amount of dead has to be more than 10,000. There were 50,000 people in the building, and many tens of thousands more on the streets, or in businesses nearby, or in the subway that goes right under the building. And there's still the people in the Pentagon that were killed, not to mention the peopel on the planes.

This world is a sick place full of sick people. I can't just can't stand it sometimes.

I agree with you 100%. Why do innocent bystanders have to pay for these sorts of things. There is no reason people taking an everyday flight should pay the price because of a pissed group of terrorists. It's disgusting.

I would be disgusted no matter what country this was in. Murder is wrong. How can people live with themselves? Those people did not deserve to die. Nobody should die for a political statement.

Linus
09-11-2001, 10:04 PM
1. No flag.
2. Gotta be 17 in SC, 18 in GA, and 18 in NC. Not gonna happen.
3. Been doin' that for hours.

One school district in SC was left open after eleven AM. Mine.

MightyGerm
09-11-2001, 10:05 PM
I live in Northern Va

my Dad works in DC. he is home ok.
my moms friends workins in the pentagon. when it happened. he got out ok, i think he mit be a little shook up but not hurt

my condolences to any tothers who have family in new york or dc

Doofhull
09-11-2001, 10:10 PM
As soon as I find out where the nearest facility is to do so, I will be out giving blood.

Rainecloud
09-11-2001, 10:15 PM
As Tony Blair said over here in England:

"This isn't a war between the USA and Terrorism, it's a war between the WORLD and terrorism. It's a new evil that must be erradicated. We stand shoulder to shoulder with our American friends..."

It's nice to know something is being done...I think...

Prima Donna Celes
09-11-2001, 10:17 PM
I still can't believe all this, it seems like I'm watching a movie. But it unfortunately is not. It's going to take weeks, if not months, to get a final death toll, which will probably be an unbearable amount. My school closed at 1:00 and a vigil is planned for this evening on campus.

This will be one of those events everyone remembers where they were for the rest of their life. I remember where I was during the Oklahoma city bombing and when Princess Diana died. This is another I will always remember. I will always remember the reaction I had when I turned on the news this morning.

As to a war . . . I kind of doubt there will be one. We don't even know who did this yet. Plus it was probably a group not a country.

This just doesn't seem real. I keep expecting to wake up and this will be just a bad dream...

Black Mage
09-11-2001, 10:18 PM
Well, I finally made it to a computer. As many of you know, I live in NY. Well, my family picked a bad weekend to take the 12 hour drive from hom to NYC. I am in the city now, and I had just been in the WTC yesterday. It's very frightening. I never thought about this happening and I haden't expected I'd never get into the WTC again... I did get to see the planes fly into the trade center, and I can honestly say I am thouroughly scared. I wont be home until the 14th so I hope everything is alright back up in western New York.

I am terribly sorry for anyone who was hurt or had relatives who were hurt..

My family and I were luckily very far away from the attacks, but still visible... I am really sorry for you all...

Twisted Heat
09-11-2001, 10:20 PM
I live in canada...I dunno if giving blood would help...

Yes....things are being done...and it's good that they are! Oop...O_o...better call Sarah to see if she's okay

Shoeberto
09-11-2001, 10:23 PM
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I walked into fourth period today, Advanced Life Science, and my teacher had the TV on. I had no idea what it was. I thought it was a memorial for a bombing in the past. But after watching it a while, I found out it was all too true. My friend and I were both shocked.

Later that period, the principle said not to watch it but to continue with class. That's what sucked. It's really stupid to sacrifice history in the making for a day of learning, which could always be re-done.

I'm really outraged with my school system right now. I also hope that the terrorist die a slow, painful, awful, disgusting, and unsanitary death. This is just wrong.

Princess Garnet
09-11-2001, 10:34 PM
I live in north Carolina and only a few miles from Camp Lejune and on the news they said that they think there will be a plane crash in Camp Lejune too. My dad and many of my friends moms or dads work there. The roads in and out of Lejune are closed right now and my dad is stuck there. Since they think that Camp Lejune will be the next to be attacked they are now shooting down all passenger planes that fly over Camp Lejune. I'm just praying that this does not turn to using atomic bombs on the cities of the US because if that happens, Camp Lejune will be the first to go...............

Daryl
09-11-2001, 10:50 PM
I feel so useless. I can't even donate blood (medical reasons).

But, I've made a small impact on campus but talking with and reassuring my residents (I'm a hall leader) and fellow students. So there is that.

I just want this all over. Each hour brings more good news, though, which I'm glad for. So far, I've lost no family or friends.

Kawaii Ryűkishi
09-11-2001, 10:50 PM
I doubt the people behind this have access to nuclear weaponry. If they did, they most likely would have used it on their earlier targets.

Morticia
09-11-2001, 10:51 PM
I can't even get the pages to load...so I've not read all of this thread.

No one knows who is behind this attack on the US, this <i>despicable</i> act that MURDERED INNOCENT CIVILIANS! And just because they were Americans!

Christ; WHY? WHY? Vicksburg is on complete lockdown; so is Clinton.

And the WTC...just falling...until the day I die, every night in my nightmares I will see the images from the television.

Why is the US so hated? Why? All we've ever done was try to make the world a better place by sending food, money, and aid to other countries. For years, we have ignored the terrorist stings...are we now to go and destroy the very countries we have tried to be patient and we that we have tried to help?

I hope whoever is behind this has to watch as their families are slowly devoured by napalm and irradiated into ASH!

And then I hope they rot in hell as Satan's lap bitch for all eternity!

I cannot stop crying for thinking of all the innocent people who were murdered just because they were American.

Phoenix

Burtsplurt
09-11-2001, 10:52 PM
I just saw some footage on TV that I hadn't seen previously; people hanging out from the windows of the Trade Centre.

I'd seen the pictures of the explosions and the aircraft flying into the buildings, but this was something else entirely. It really hits you when you see the people. It's devastating.

Not praying, just hoping.

Twisted Heat
09-11-2001, 10:54 PM
Princess....and everyone that knows someone in a place in danger

I pray for you and their safety

Stone
09-11-2001, 10:55 PM
This is just plain horrible. I was in study hall today when the intercom came on. It was the Principal. She said that two planes hit the WTC in New York and another hit the Pentagon. I was totally stunned and more so when I went to 4th period when I saw that one of the Towers were gone. When i saw the second collapse and all the other damage I was in shock and still am.

This (hopefully) will not lead to another WW. My prayers go out to all the people and thier families who fell victim to these horrific acts of terrorism. *prays*

Red Wizard
09-11-2001, 10:57 PM
"In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb" , "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - Nostradamus 1654

For those of you who either do not understand the significance of this quote or refuse to see it *cough*Unne*cough, here goes my explaination:

In the City of God there will be a great thunder
I would hardly call New York 'the city of God', but then again who's God are we speaking of, which city? There could have been numerous other signs in other cities.

Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures
Well, the Twin Towers (world trade center) have collapsed after a chaotic morning. The pentagon, even though it was hit, is still standing.

the great leader will succumb
Well, if it is referring to the President of the US, his retreat to an 'undisclosed location' could be seen as succumbing to fear/danger.

The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
Well, NY isn't burning, alhough there were reports of fires in DC, and nobody knows whether these terrorists have finished or not.

Of course these striking similarities could be explained in a few ways, I will discuss a couple:
1) These similarities are human adaptions of a situation to a vague prediction.
2) The events were premeditated to conform to the prophecy.


Other than that I am extremely greif-striken as I hear more and more about this. What kind of perverse mind comes up with these sorts of plans. Who would plot out the times of the hijackings, the targets, and all of the other details involved in this intricate act of terrorism? Even more important: Who gave the terrorists the money they would have needed to fuel this attack?
I also firmly believe that all those resonsible should be punished, but I am not crying out 'NUKE THIS PLACE' 'KILL (insert country here)!' I hink that we should do a couple of things first:
a) Treat our wounded, and save as many lives as possible.
b) Determine the persons responsible for this act of violence.

{UPDATE}
One: Many builidings in the World Trade Center area are on fire, and building 7 has collapsed.
(The big city is on fire)
Two: The 'thunder' in the 'city of God' could be interpreted as the rejoicing in Jerusalem...
Eerie, huh?

Silverlocke
09-11-2001, 10:57 PM
This is scary...my Mother taped the footage, so I could watch it, specifically the trade towers collapsing..and to think that last night I was worried about myself.

This is quite possibly the worst terrorist attack...ever. Most likely more than 50,000 killed, up to 100,000. Downtown Manhattan is essentially gone...I live in Canada, but this is quite scary. The US will hunt for a political scapegoat...what will come of that remains to be seen.

This is sickening. Truly sickening. My Dad, for one, has lost friends, and he's really emotional...I have trouble grasping this.

Some grade 9 girls were laughing about it near the end of the day...I suppose they don't understand the magnitude of this. I can only wish for the best for the survivors and offer my condolences to the victims...*sigh* this may very well be one of the blackest days in history. Let's just hope the bombing stops here.

Alpha
09-11-2001, 11:02 PM
Hmph, no more World Trade Center.

Jeez this is so scary, i've got a lot of family living in New York but they seem okay.

But whats bothering me is how 4 planes were succesfully hijaked at the same time. How did this all work?

Flamethrower
09-11-2001, 11:03 PM
This is just terrible. All day long we were watching the news at school. I think i'm one of the few kids in my school who are acually taking this seriuosly. Some idiot 7th graders were going around saying stuff like "WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!" Jesus, why do they have to be so immature? Expecially since Baton Rouge, LA (where I live) is one of the top ten terrorist attack sites. Yeah, its pretty small in population, but it is very valueable because of the Exxons (high gasoline). If they attacked a chemical plant, it could explode and cause a chain reaction and destroy most of Baton Rouge. Yeah, I know, its highly unlikly, but its always better safe than sorry.

CloudOverHeaven
09-11-2001, 11:05 PM
OMG! Many of my friends and parents friends were killed... many injured... even some of my family... i've never been so sad. :( i live right near DC and saw one of the planes go right by in the sky.

Asorie
09-11-2001, 11:09 PM
I dont' even know what to say about it. I'm in shock. It's one of the most horrible things I've ever seen in my life...probably the most horrible. We were watching live in English class when the towers collapsed...gah...

I can't think straight enough to know what to say now. Maybe later.

DK
09-11-2001, 11:22 PM
Its just a tragedy. Its like something straight out of movie, its so hard to comprehend. I just saw a segment on the news, a british reporter who was in the building as the planes hit was giving an interview to a US show, and you saw the tower collapse behind him. Its just horrific. You don't really understand what it was like until you see the towers collapse...its just terrible.

As for the war, i seriously doubt there is going to be one. What is there to go on? It wasn't an ordered attack by the country, it was more a terrorist attack on the US. There is nobody they can go to war with. George bush wants to punish them, i don't like the sound of that, he is too trigger happy for my liking.

And the people who were celebrating in Jerusalem, well i don't even want to comment on them.

Dee
09-11-2001, 11:26 PM
First time I heard it in school, I thought my friends were kidding. Boy, was I ever so wrong. This is a tragedy, and outrage. Who would do such unthinkable acts?

This is definitely not going to be forgotten. The US will wake up and face reality.

The Professor
09-11-2001, 11:27 PM
All I have to say is whatever organization did this, if they get found out, is in huge trouble. Some of you may debate this, but the U.S. has been helping out all over the world for a long time, and whoever did this is gonna have most the missiles in the world aimed at them. Snootchie-bootchies, terrorists!

Britt
09-11-2001, 11:39 PM
I don't think I've ever been so shook up.

I haven't even had time to be shook up, really. We had been kept away from information a good bit of the school day, so I didn't get to find out as much as I might have wanted... But still. It's terrifying. I've spent a good amount of my time today wondering if anything more would happen. Every chance I've gotten, I've been at a TV.

I think what's truly despicable are the people who laugh. That just makes me want to die. The algebra teacher burst in, early today. He practically ripped the radio out of the cabinet, and was met with.. jeers and laughs, when he announced that the World Trade Center was attacked. What idiocy. When a giant explosion rocked the first Tower, on replay, what was said? "Sweeeeet!"

I have never been so disgusted with the human race in my life. I have been lucky, but others have not been. I offer my sincere condolenses for the friends and families of the victims.

I was watching CNN, earlier. They were giving a profile on one of their correspondants who just so happened to have been on one of the planes. She had made a cell phone call, reporting the terrorists had been armed with knifes and cardboard cutters. Can you imagine being thrown in the back end of an airplane, flown to your death? I shudder at the thought.

Orestes
09-11-2001, 11:39 PM
Today has been a very sad day.

When I first heard it on the radio this morning, I thought that it was just some pilot goofing up and flying into the trade center by accident. After I learned about it being a terrorist attack, it made all the world of difference to me.

I'm scared. This could bring the end of the world...

BlackCapedManX
09-11-2001, 11:44 PM
First of all, I know I'm not an admin or anything, but out of repect I would ask that people don't use signitures in this thread. I may sound kind of pushy, but those like me, we'd rather not have to scroll through a bunch of unrelated things in a time as serious and emotional as this. I have seen a few signitures that have been changes for this occasion, and I congradulate your dedication to be serious about such a horrific event. Now for something some of you may not want to read:

Haven't any of you expected something like this? I know it is horrible and evil and something that should not have to be viewed by anyone, something that should have never happened. But you all act like you're surprised about all of this, sooner or later we would end up having a terrorist attack more horrible than any other. I'm not one to care much about anything, but when I do, I tend to look at it logically. The USA has been acting like global police ever since it became a world power. People don't like being pushed around, people hit back. And it is especially easy for small terrorist groups to hit like this. I once saw in a movie someone say that anyone can assassinate anyone else, if willing to pay the consequences. Well if enough people rally together, they can assassinate a power, and If they die, then there are no more consequences. I may seem like this doesn't effect me, and I try to make it not effect me, so I can look at this logically.

Just saw on TV, if there is a retaliation, most likely on afganistan. Also, a trial for an associate of ben ladin, who has been blamed for a different bombing attack, had been schedualed for tommarow. I also agree with Red Wizard in that they have said that fires were in NY and the smoke has been making it impossible to find out how strong the fires are.

Shoeberto
09-11-2001, 11:45 PM
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Britt-Today, I visited a board I rarely go to, and they cracked so many jokes about it. It was disgusting. I know how you feel. And also, my school wouldn't let us watch the TV either. My principle was being so naive. She couldn't even see history in the making...

krissy
09-11-2001, 11:57 PM
I'm so...

All those lives...

And...

I watched the news all through first period, then listened to teh radio last period.
Now they're showing the 'after-shock' images. I just feel.......I can't find the words. I don't think I should try to. You all know what I mean.

Alixsar
09-11-2001, 11:57 PM
God...I don't really know what to say...except that I agree with this completely....

"To anyone who reads this:
I hope with everything I have that all of you are alright. I can't believe a tragety of this magnitude has happened. People still think that violence will solve all the problems. That this grusome justice is necessary to solve things. The people who think revenge is necessary are foolish. They're just as bad as the ones responsible for this. Even in the country responsible, I have no doubt in my mind that there are people there who strive for peace. And those innocent people don't deserve to die either, which is why I'm against such harsh retaliation. Death, on either side of this event, is tragic. I know it's hard to have pity, but think about it: there must have been something gone horribly wrong in those people to do something that awful, and I pity them for that. I hope you all are safe.
- Elyse"

That's Elyse's away message and it's EXACTLY how I feel...what's going to happen now? Bush is going to order that those responsible are dealt with. Then what? They'll attack more. Then we'll attack. Over and over....this is just going to get worse and worse...it'll be months before the damage will be fixed, some of which will never be fixed. My heart goes out to all those who lost someone in the attacks or even knows someone who did...as I do. Well...I hope you're all safe....I am for now...but who knows...I live near the three labs in America where they do research on nuclear weapons...if one got bombed.....I live two miles from the biggest of the three...if they went for it.....

God dammit. This just isn't fair. How can people do this kind of thing? I don't understand...and there's nothing we can do...*sigh*...this isn't fair...

Rirse
09-11-2001, 11:59 PM
This is a sad day for history. I pray for everyone's safety and hope the mastermind behind this pays with pain. I'm sorry, I just don't want to get verbal here and be very vulgar.

DK
09-12-2001, 12:00 AM
I just saw the worst clip on TV...It was from right under the tower, and you saw the plane go into the tower and just explode right inside. This is terrible.

Schala
09-12-2001, 12:02 AM
This is just horrible....everytime I see those pictures.......I honestly think i'm going to be sick..........and people are celebrating....this is just wrong......

CloudOverHeaven
09-12-2001, 12:04 AM
Do you guys realize that if we goto war it COULD be the END of the world? With this technology... I just don't know.... we have never gone to war with this much technology yet.

Shoeberto
09-12-2001, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by CloudOverHeaven
Do you guys realize that if we goto war it COULD be the END of the world? With this technology... I just don't know.... we have never gone to war with this much technology yet. <font color="#009999">
I know! I was talking with some friends, and we thought that this might lead to World War 3. And if that Nostradomus prediction is true, then the world really might end. It's too frightening to think about.

Garland
09-12-2001, 12:11 AM
6 buildings destroyed, one on the way, and the Pentagon. Wow, never thought anyone could get us (America). 1000's are dead. That's insane. It's like a bad movie. I dunno, I can't think of anything to say. Once the emergency is taken care of, and the wounded are tended to, I hope we do get justice on whoever is responsible. Nah, not justice...revenge will do. Justice is for the civilized. Osama Bin Ladin, or whoever did this, well you know what'll happen. World War Three? No way. Any nation worth mentioning is supportive of us. Who's left? Well I'm done...

EDIT: Goodbye Taliban... The news just broke again, and Afghanistan's capital Kabul is in flames. The media explanation is that we've been warning them about the consequences for housing Bin Ladin if anything else should happen. Since they're 90% sure now it's Bin Ladin, this is the punishment.

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 12:13 AM
Wars go on every day. There are plenty of wars going on right now. The US was in the Gulf War a couple years ago, and we had plenty of nuclear weapons then. And we had the conflict in Kosovo more recently, among others. War doesn't automatically mean we're going to blow the planet up. There's no need to start panicking.

krissy
09-12-2001, 12:14 AM
Afghanistan was just bombeb by unknown sources.

Mikztsu
09-12-2001, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
Wars go on every day. There are plenty of wars going on right now. The US was in the Gulf War a couple years ago, and we had plenty of nuclear weapons then. And we had the conflict in Kosovo more recently, among others. War doesn't automatically mean we're going to blow the planet up. There's no need to start panicking.


Indeed. There's absolutely no reason to believe there will be World war or nukes are used.

I heard about Afganistan bombings too. I hope they get him quickly.

CloudOverHeaven
09-12-2001, 12:18 AM
Afghanatan is being bombed by NATO

krissy
09-12-2001, 12:22 AM
NATO? Why?

BlackCapedManX
09-12-2001, 12:27 AM
Afghanatan is being bombed by NATO

Wonder how many innocents will die in that one?

CloudOverHeaven
09-12-2001, 12:34 AM
On CNN NATO is takin it to Afghanastan.... NATO is cleanin house man, they rockin.

krissy
09-12-2001, 12:37 AM
Afghanistanb clearly stated they had nothing to do with the planes. Arafat made a speech. Right?

Shoeberto
09-12-2001, 12:38 AM
<font color="#009999">
Cloud, you DO know that this bombing could cause war, right? War is what we don't want. I think NATO is screwing it all up.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 12:40 AM
I've decided to come back for this event...

All day long I lived under fear, knowing that I was next. My house is surrounded by several key targets: Camp David, The Underground Pentagon, and Fort Dietrich. All of which were speculated to be the terrorist's next targets. Camp David was targeted, and was attacked.

My life was spared by four minutes.

Four minutes, and that plane would've crashed and then boom. No more Squeegee. No more innocent people in this area. I was sick. Then that plane crashed.

And now NATO's bombing them. I support that. I hope we nuke and kill the bastards who did this. No one messes with America. The threat of war should be acted upon accordingly. You threaten us? We'll respond with force. It should be that way. Pacifism is good to an extent. And the extent here was broken. A line was crossed. Good riddance to them.

Their nation pulls this crap that they walk around the streets holding up pictures of babies that we killed in previous bombings, and our nation turns against itself at the mere sight of it. But no. It shouldn't be this way. A mistake was made, a line was crossed, and a nation must pay.

EDIT: Hsu, war is necessary for this. We can't be bombed and take it like "Oh, well, we'll just pretend like you didn't do that." If we did that, every nation in the world would be bombing us left and right. Bomb the bastards, and send them all to hell.

krissy
09-12-2001, 12:43 AM
Listen, I'm sorry you had a near death experience, but Afghanistan did not take credit for any of those attacks.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 12:47 AM
Reno, I could shoot you right now, turn around an hour later and say "Wasn't my doing. Try someone else."

Lying is basic human instinct.

Loony BoB
09-12-2001, 12:51 AM
I'm writing my journal post here, coz it seems more relevant to this thread than any other. Note, the first collision was at around 1am, my time.

New York EoFF'ers:
Ace1
Black Mage
Dyto
Matthias X
Newgrounds
Notti
Seifers_Love_Slave

God be with them all. Especially our wonderful Dancing Mage...

K, I woke up from a dream about what you AmeriCanadians call either Pop or Soda. 3am. Never mind the dream. Text message from Emma, no worries. Replied. I'm sure she didn't get the reply, for some reason, my texts only work half the time.

Five minutes later, I get a call on the phone, and quickly checked who it was - unknown international caller. What the hell is Emma ringing me for?

Me: "Hello?"
Mum: "Hi Daniel!"
Me, thinking: Not Emma... but... what the hell is Mum ringing my mobile for?
Me: "Hey Mum..."
Mum, interrupting: Daniel, have you heard the news?
Me: What? It's 3am...
Mum: It's big. *explains rather quickly* I only have a small amount of money left on my phone, so I have to go now.
Me: Ok... I love you Mummy.
Mum: Mummy Mummy?
Me, rolling eyes: I LOVE YOU MUMMY.
Mum: Oh! I love you too Daniel... bye!
Me: Bye.
*click*

So many thoughts, after I checked the radio (news station). Note, these thoughts lasted all morning until now. (10:44am)

What if that happened to Emma? Is that why she didn't reply, coz she's scared about this stuff, and is watching it? Jeez...

Proto lives in DC...
Black Mage lives in New York... my cousin is there, right? Oh, my...
Unne is in Pittsburgh...

Too many friends.

*later*

OMG... Umi and Scoot are wanting to meet soon, and their border is sealed...

OMG! Poor Jewels... she can't go to USA...

God, this bites, big time. I'm pretty shook up, and I'm in New Zealand, for God's sake...

EDIT: Not NATO? Ah, k. Never mind the following then:
NATO needs to be a little less quick to the mark. Sure, some person FROM there might've done something. But... did everyone in the capital over there deserve to be killed? What happens when NATO (could) find out that it was someone from Iraq, or even Israel? That person won't be too hot with it.

Then again... NATO probably has some kind of reason that we don't know about, eh? But still... 90% sure is not enough to take millions of lives. That's just as low as the terrorists.

What is a terrorist? Someone who causes terror. I reckon a lot of Afghanistans will be terrified by NATO right now. Makes you think, don't it?

krissy
09-12-2001, 12:51 AM
Besides, those bombings are a part of teh civil war, according to Morticia.
So there.

Ahem.
If they did it, why would they lie?
They could fight back against America in a war, it's not like they're so afraid that they'll pay people to kill the US off bit by bit and say it was terrorist action.

Chickencha
09-12-2001, 12:57 AM
I really don't know what to say about this. I really don't. It's too much. I'm trying to maintain an optimistic attitude but it's not really helping. I...don't know. Maybe I'll reply with something sensible or intelligent or relevant later, but right now I can't. I just can't.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 12:58 AM
Reno, America alone has more than 2000 nuclear warheads. Would you want to screw with America? Would you openly admit your position in the terrorist attack, knowing full damn well that we would retaliate!? I wouldn't. It would be a waste of human lives. Then again, whoever attacked us wasted our lives, so fuck them and let's blow 'em all away. God bless.

PS: It doesn't matter which faction of a country attacks us, they are members of that nation. That nation is viewed as a nation made up by its people, factions or no factions, and that faction attacked. That faction and the place that spawned them should pay. We shouldn't take the time to look at the nation and perform surgery on it looking for the small group that did it! Take them all out! We shouldn't risk running into this situation again!

CloudOverHeaven
09-12-2001, 01:00 AM
NATO is securing US until we are ready to attack.

Loony BoB
09-12-2001, 01:03 AM
Squeegee, you're looking at this one sided. Think clearly, your thoughts seem clouded, man... you love all?

If what you think is true, then all Americans should be destroyed for things that they have done against other countries, right? And let's not forget Germany. Italians, Israelites, many African nations, a few South-Eastern countries to top the lot off... every country has a stupid person, really. Let's just wipe out the human race? Nuh uh.

The people were going against their own countries laws... that, to me, means that they aren't really working on behalf of their nation.

Linus
09-12-2001, 01:03 AM
WE BOMBED AFGHANISTAN! SILLY BUSH! Airport in Kubal, Afghanistan = Explodeded.

krissy
09-12-2001, 01:08 AM
If everyone in teh world had enough consideration for others, thiw would not have happened.
But no one has consideration for other's in the middle east, do they?

The children get brainwahsed into spitting on Americans, is that it? And they get trained to honourably die if a bomb falls on them, right
Oh. BTW. < / sarcasm >

EDIT: No we didn't.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 01:08 AM
I'm looking at this in the sense that our military has been squandered. We've tried pacifism. It failed! FAILED! We try to negotiate, we get bombed. We sign Geneva, it fail! WE CANNOT FIGHT BACK BECAUSE WE SIGNED A TREATY SAYING THAT ANY MEASURE WE TAKE MUST ABIDE BY RULES! America is weak in that sense! I am saying that we need to show people not to mess with us. We have to show people that we are not to be messed with. The treaty should be broken, and we should fight however it takes!

I'm not looking at this one sided. Remember when I said "pacifism is good to an extent?" It's ok to negotiate over small things, like minor anarchy, stuff like that. BUT WHEN AMERICAN LIVES ARE TAKEN, MEASURES MUST BE TAKEN! Reagan once said "They threatened two of our planes? Send our planes and tell them to not come back until we've taken four of theirs." THAT, people, THAT IS THE WAY OUR MILITARY SHOULD WORK!

krissy
09-12-2001, 01:11 AM
Hiroshima. No one messed with you since. I don't think another incident liek taht needs to be repeated.

Linus
09-12-2001, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by Reno Leonheart
Afghanistanb clearly stated they had nothing to do with the planes. Arafat made a speech. Right?

Arafat = leader of Palestine. He's got nothing to do with Afghanistan, sire.

CloudOverHeaven
09-12-2001, 01:17 AM
Well... when the world ends... their is still Eden. I will go back to Eden and share my experiences from Earth. And I Will enrich Eden with even more knowledge.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 01:18 AM
What do you mean? What was the Persian Gulf? What was any war since? Iraq, my friend. Iraq. Our fourth amendment rights are gone. Do you know what that means? One of our freedoms has been revoked. THANKS TO SOMEONE'S CIVIL WAR THAT SPREAD INTO OUR COUNTRY!

krissy
09-12-2001, 01:18 AM
Hah. My bad. Sorry.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/11/afghan.taliban/index.html

Peegee
09-12-2001, 01:23 AM
Isn't there a nuclear bomb cease-fire treaty in effect? America can't nuke whatever country they eventually will think did this.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 01:23 AM
What's funny about that is that Afghanistan says they want to tell our children they feel our pain, when their children, their police, their citizens, danced in celebration in the streets.

Loony BoB
09-12-2001, 01:30 AM
Squeegee. Seriously.

Reagan would not have bombed Afghanistan.

You find the people responsible for the acts, and then justice should be done. Afghanistan is not responsible. The terrorists are - and note, everyone, those terrorists are NOT confirmed yet. We don't know, for sure, who they are. We all have hunches, duh, but we still don't know. There's no use bombing one country just to find out it was another. Oops?

Now, when that guy bombed Oklahoma's building (I'm not too clued up, sorry)... does that mean that the country should be blamed? Should USA bomb THEMSELVES? No, that'd be stupid.

So, bombing a country for a mere citizen's wrongs is... wrong. The government does the bombing, bomb the government. The terrorist does the bombing, bomb the terrorist. Of course.

Stevo
09-12-2001, 01:32 AM
Well, I smell War brewing on the horizon... Dirty, pointless wars... *frowns*

Amazing Telephone
09-12-2001, 01:32 AM
266 passsenger deaths i believe.

Squeegee
09-12-2001, 01:35 AM
Ok, so I may be hasty in saying Afghanistan. But whoever it is, we should take care of them. I'm writing all this assuming that whoever attacked us worked in conjunction with a country's government. That makes them part of that country, if they are hired out by the government. It is then the country's fault.

But you know, you people are the ones who say that pacifism is the key. Woo hoo for you. Pacifism is a failure in my opinion. [[edited by Asorie]]

<b>Squeegee, I understand the way you're feeling right now. At least, I can empathise. So you've probably calmed down a tad and realized that that last part was a little unneccessary, right? Just letting you know.</b>

-N-
09-12-2001, 01:36 AM
*sigh* I'm too drained to write any further on this matter, as I just wrote an exposé on it already. But I will stress my main points that the United States of America needs to unite under a common flag and concentrate on reconstruction, not revenge. Where will revenge take you? Assuming we do nuke wherever? Terrorism will actually increase because of that oppressive action! Anyone who is advocating all-out war needs to simmer down and think about the ramifications of such an action. And it's highly possible the perpetrator was an American. Okay? So let's pull together. We have enough sorrow invested in this, let's try and keep our heads above water.

bossker
09-12-2001, 01:39 AM
Here are MY feeling...if you feel offended, well meh, feel free to ignore me...etc. etc.


OK, so the world trade center was destroyed and the pentagon and pittsburgh were attacked...MANY MANY US casualties....but then again, Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan have suffered civilian casualties on our hands...so maybe going out and "Nuking the Muthaf***rs" would be a little drastic, no? I personally think the terrorists will get off Scot-free. I mean, if it is Osama Bin-Ladin, we've spent millions of dollars trying to kill this guy. He's bombed embassies and killed americans for WHO knows how long. And we've only caught the minor guys in all these USS Cole explosions, embassy bombings. In this case, the minor guys were kamikaze...so no getting them. So, im fairly sure that the terrorists will go unpunished and this even will fade like the other events.

And about going to war...Im pretty sure if we attacked Afghanistan with no REAL reason, the other muslim countries would rally behind them. And "so what" you say...."we can take them all out." Well my friends, let me enlighten you. This event has proven that the US is NOT invincible, hell the Pentagon was attacked for crying outloud...Pakistan has nuclear capabilites...If we "blew them the f**k" up...we'd get blown the hell up too....think about it. Well those are my thoughts....


Terrorist act, terrorists get off scot free, even fades. <---order it'll happen in.


And to the people that said they had NO reason, this attack was warrented from a Afghani, Iraqi, or a Sudani point of view.

FFmusic dj
09-12-2001, 01:40 AM
as a Muslim and going with the Islam Religion ...
if muslims really did what they did in NY and DC, ..... there going to HELL!
no where in out Bible does it say to kill people ... and by how they killed was ....... , this was just damn wrong!

Stone
09-12-2001, 01:40 AM
I would have to agree with LoonyBob. It wasn't Afghanistan, but a terrorist group that has attacked the U.S. I hope they find out who did this before any more mistakes are made and any more lives are lost.

Loony BoB
09-12-2001, 01:40 AM
Hmm... yeah, I agree on that note. If a government is working with the terrorist, then bomb the government facilities. Not for the mere point of revenge, but to prevent killing in the future. Death leads to life, kinda.

But don't bomb a country when you don't have proof it was them. That's a no-no.

American Badass
09-12-2001, 01:42 AM
I can't really add anything because there really is nothing left to add. I have been in a sad state of shock all day since first finding out what happened listening to Howard Stern on the radio. Then finally seeing everything happen on the news when I arrived to my college and seeing everyone huddled around the tv in the room watching the news.

It really hit home for me when I actually got home and began watching the news in depth. Seeing the video again and again of the plane crashing into the second tower. I thought glumly that everything that happened was one hell of an organized attack. The attack on the World Trade Center was terrible, but as well as a diversion. Then the Pentagon itself was attacked as well as several other buildings. No one has ever reportedly tried to take out the Pentagon before. That is a first. And then pure physics told someone that the WTC towers would eventually collapse.

Make no mistakes about the events today. They were terrible. They were unforgettable. The United States was embarrased today, the military in particular by the Pentagon getting hit. There is no doubt in my mind that America will not stand being embarassed.

But realise one thing for those of you who live in the US. No matter what course of action is taken, not everyone will be completely happy. For years and years the US has had it's hands tied over terrorism and security by activist groups who say we go to far with it. I'll be the first to admit, however, the the US has certainly been involved in things we should never have been involved with in the first place. But a line must always be drawn at some point. It is my hope that most people realize that that line has been drawn, crossed, and pissed on today. I hope justice is served.

RSL
09-12-2001, 02:12 AM
This will be an unforgettable day. It'll be one of those instances where people say "Do you remember where you were when you heard that the World Trade Centers were struck?"

I'll read through this thread later. They said that the President will address the nation in about 20 minutes, so I'm going to watch that.

Bloodstone
09-12-2001, 02:23 AM
I agree with Bush. This is such a cowardly act by those responsible. And it is stupid too. What do they hope to gain from this, from killing thousands of innocents and bringing economic crisis, fear, and mistrust among nations?

Anyhow, any of you read Tom Clancy's Debt Of Honor? Those damned terrorists must have taken the idea from there. In DOH, a commercial plane was crashed upon - was it the Capitol? - and took out the president.

I hope justice will be brought upon those who are behind this.

Doofhull
09-12-2001, 02:31 AM
<B>"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan..."

"The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise -- with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disentrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country."</B>

<I>~~Quotes from Abraham Lincoln</I></B>

Dr. Disco
09-12-2001, 02:34 AM
This is so, so horrible...

All that's left is the who, and the why.

Calliope
09-12-2001, 02:43 AM
if you aren't safe in the pentagon, where are you safe? i'm hoping that Bush doesn't retaliate too hastily...don't want to start something...i don't know what i'm talking about...dude...they used box cutter knives...box cutter knives?! well...if i can think of anything relevant to say, i'll post later. everything that can be said has already be said, in one form or another. the president of the united states of america is speaking right now...he is so calm, and he speaks so eloquently...it is such a contrast to what he is actually speaking about.

Mahal Kita
09-12-2001, 02:46 AM
This is horrible. I feel sorry for those who were either hurt, killed, and effected in a way. I didn't know that this would happen and for that purpose. There wasn't any need for this at all.

Linus
09-12-2001, 02:48 AM
That address to the nation was just plain pointless. He did a recap, then quoted Solomon:23, was it? Then used a few metaphors and asked us to pray. The end.

lethalgaro
09-12-2001, 02:53 AM
this aint no laughing matter....4 planes were hijacked and then 2 crashed into the worl trade center. the other one hit the pentagon and the other too were shot from the sky. peole have a hunch that iraq or ahfganistan did it. people in that country were laghing and beeping hornes. I think they housed an terrorist and he sent those guys to make some damage. I live in canada so its terrifying for us. some kids at school rumor that there will be a nuclear war or something. but we all know that america can wipe those countrys off the map. and america has the support from alot of other countrys so it 6 ginst 2 i think. if i were bush i would retaliate this second!

Mr. Sparkle
09-12-2001, 02:57 AM
This day will live in infamy, just like Pearl Harbor.

I liked what Bush said. I liked what he said about "punishing the terrorists and the ones who harbor them." He rallyed the country together.

black orb
09-12-2001, 03:01 AM
>>> Holy shit..
>>> I never thought that sort of things would happens in NY and less in the pentagon...
Those terrorist dont have limits...
--Im sorry about all the US civilians..

<img src="http://www.applelinks.net/ymir/jing.gif" border=0>
______________________________________
>>>The black orb glitters ominously
but nothing happens....<<<

Linus
09-12-2001, 03:04 AM
My school was on national news, yet we didn't evacuate at all. Goose Creek naval weapons station. Second largest port on the east coast(Charleston) + naval weaponry. Yep, not bad for a target. The weapons station evacuated 17,000 military + civillian people. Stratford is RIGHT NEXT TO the station. Like, less than a mile. We stayed in school all day. In fact, I took two tests today. >_<

edczxcvbnm
09-12-2001, 03:18 AM
The whole middle east is a giant shit hole. They have so many terriorist groups and wars over there that it just doesn't matter any more. We need to go over there and kick some ass! Demand that the governments over there help us search for the terroists. We have had a bunch of terriorists attacks in the last years and they keep getting worse. We know that a majority of them come from the middle east but they are uncooperative. If we are not harsh and make it known we will not stand for this shit anymore these attacks will come more frequent and more harshly. If we go to war like we did in Desert Storm then I hope that Bush will give the order to kill the leader unlike his dad who let Sadam go. <b>[[edited by Asorie]]</b> They went WAY to far and any country could be next if they anger that area like the US some how did. Terroists need to be taken down with a big-ass bitch slap.

BlackCapedManX
09-12-2001, 03:22 AM
Hey... could anyone give me a good site of what places have been bombed so far, Squeegee said something about camp david being bombed or somthing like that, and I have a friend in maryland, so I would just like to be clear on that.

Linus
09-12-2001, 03:29 AM
World Trade Center (Twin Towers) + Building Seven right next to it have collapsed.

One section of the Pentagon was destroyed.

One plane crashed near Pittsburgh.

That's it. Everything else is just fear. I could've, I might've, they could've, just worrying and fear.

ew2x4
09-12-2001, 03:32 AM
It was Psalm 23.

I think what Bush said was what people felt and what people wanted here in the USA. I don't see how what he said was bad. Anyways.

The way I feel (I live in the USA btw) is a feeling of disbelief. Seeing the towers fall was sickining and shocking. About whoever did it, well I don't think people should jump to conclusions. I mean, who would of guessed an American bombed a building in Oklahoma City? But I will tell you one thing. What the people who did this have done is pissed off the Western world. They basically declared war with 200+million pissed off Americans.

I just hope justice is served.

It's gonna take a while for all of this to sink in.

ew2x4
09-12-2001, 03:38 AM
Just wanted to say, what JFK said in my sig never sounded more true.

BlackCapedManX
09-12-2001, 03:52 AM
I think we should just put it to rest.... let it alone. They want retaliation, especially if we just flail out blindly and hit someone else. We should just give it up. Take the dead and the wounded, put our tail between our legs and just walk away. We don't need justice or revenge or more pain and suffering. Bush can go and say things like that because he's probably the safest man in the country. Is he the one suiting up and hopping in a bomber to "punish those who would attack our freedom?" I don't think so. When I thought about my friend in maryland I got very scared, she means a lot to me. And I still haven't called her yet, I guess I should... yeah I'm going to go do that. But we don't need to strike back, we simply want to. We should just give it up, and if we don't anger them, we won't have war. And even if we do take drastic actions, it shouldn't be now, it should be after everything else is done. The dust hasn't even setteled and we were attacking afganastan? Wrong approach. I look over at the TV in my room and wonder how we can talk of war and fighting and the middle east when our problems right now are right here. We shouldn't be talking about the terrorists, but consoling those who've lost. I know its all been said, but I really think we're taking the wrong approach at it. I'm scaring myself really, everytime I here the word terrorist mentioned I just want to scream at that newscaster to shut the f**k up.

Ace Protorney
09-12-2001, 04:05 AM
Well, time to unsticky this thread. It served its purpose.

Dr. Disco
09-12-2001, 04:28 AM
Whew...I was getting frightened by Nostradamus' WWWIII prophecies, until I read this:

The U.S. will have a Democratic president at the time.

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 04:36 AM
I think we can leave this stuck awhile longer.

Just a note, the US did NOT bomb Afghanistan.

The plane that crashed "near" Pittsburgh didn't really crash that close to here. It's a couple counties away from Pittsburgh. It landed on a farm.

Britt
09-12-2001, 04:38 AM
Nostradamus said the U.S. was going to have a Democratic president during Apocalypse?

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 04:49 AM
<i>Nostradamus said the U.S. was going to have a Democratic president during Apocalypse?</i>

Not likely.

I think I'll become a prophet. I can make up metaphors too. All you have to do is make a couple thousand of them, to cover a whole lot of possibilities, and make sure people keep reading them for hundreds of years, so that there's a good chance of stuff happening to fit the possibilities.

I'd be really surprised if there wasn't a prophecy of Nostradamus that could be interpreted to fit this situation. But notice how absolutely no one interpreted that prophecy as "Planes will crash into the WTC and the Pentagon" before today.

Meteor of War
09-12-2001, 04:51 AM
I just saw on the news Palastinians partying in the streets. The terrorist expert said that they are happy cuz now the Americans knows the pain they've suffered for a long time.
thats true, that states have no clue what its like to have a suicide bomber waltz into a school, or workplace, and blow themselves up, taking out children and innocent people, now im not justifying what happened, in fact, it was downright shocking, when i first heard about it i sat there speechless, and was in a stupour for the rest of the day, but the amercians can't negociate peace treaty's in the middle east not knowing what its like to have that happen in your backyard, whats going on in the middle east has been that way for a long time, it will probably never be resolved and the US government should have had enough damn sense to realize that,and maybe this could have been avoided, but thats a big maybe

on the topic of who did it, no chance in hell it would be a government, a government would not not cripple the economy, a government would just be f%#@*!@ themselves up the a$% if they did that, which leaves a radical terrorist group, which would make the most sense

jesus.....what if they had hit the hoover dam? or a nuclear powerplant???

FFmusic dj
09-12-2001, 04:59 AM
I just found out ........ my cousin ....... worked at the N tower .... damn !!! .. why did he have to go early .... I dont know if he survirved ....... I'll be praying ... ...... I truly hope he's ok ....... this isnt all that has been bothering me ... but since I am a muslim .. I know I cant go to school tommorw cause people will just hate me ... and the fact that .....the people in the Plane ... all 4 plane's.. I just cant stop thinking what the people in the plane were thinking about before the plane crashed ..... or those who saw the plane comeing and jumped off the towers .......
....... I mean ...... how could this happend?? WHy did this happend!?? .. WHY? .. just WHY?? if this is a Muslims act .. I sware I wont be normal until those who this ... those FUC*ING BASTARDS go to HELL! .. no one deserves to die like that ....... no one ......... ooh I cant think about anyhting else ....... I just .. cant .....

Britt
09-12-2001, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
I think I'll become a prophet. I can make up metaphors too.

Precisely. I would believe him if he said "The two great towers will be destroyed by kamikaze birds of fire." But.. nope.

[edit] DJ, I pray to whatever might be listening that your cousin, and the loved ones of everyone else, are safe. Our family's good friends have a daughter who works around the World Trade Center.

It is not the fault of muslims that this is happening. We don't even know if it was muslims that seized the planes. For all we know, it may have been purple men from Mars. Don't blame yourself, or anyone. This was an act of terrorism- not of a race or religion.

The Omega Factor
09-12-2001, 05:01 AM
Defy those terrorists, we still have American pride. Show your spirit by:

Please, wear red, white, and blue tomorrow in honor of the tragedy of what has been going on...send this to all who you know....

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 05:04 AM
Somehow, I'm having trouble understanding the philosophy some of you have that, since other countries have had large losses of life in the past, and since other countries are horrible and dangerous places to live, that the US is guilty in some way. Like "Hey America, we're suffering in our country, and you're not. We hate the Americans because they're not suffering too". Why do we have to suffer too? Is it unfair that the US escaped the horrible things that happen in other countries? I don't understand how it is.

Woudn't a better philosophy be that it's GOOD that America hasn't suffered in the past? And that we should all try to STOP the suffering in other countries? Instead of hating America for being a good place to live? And wishing more suffering on America? Would it be better if America was as subject to terrorism daily as the worst countries in the world? How would that be better?

Funkmonkey Deluxe
09-12-2001, 05:10 AM
Dr. Unne, I could not agree with you more. Basically, the philosophy there is "Misery loves company".

Dark Holy
09-12-2001, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by FFmusic dj
.. this isnt all that has been bothering me ... but since I am a muslim .. I know I cant go to school tommorw cause people will just hate me ...

Nobody is going to hate you 'cause of your religion... it's just not right, people won't do it, especially after something like this, so don't worry....

about your cousin, I'll be praying too... I hope he's ok..

Danni
09-12-2001, 05:12 AM
Originally posted by FFmusic dj
I just found out ........ my cousin ....... worked at the N tower .... damn !!! .. why did he have to go early .... I dont know if he survirved ....... I'll be praying ... ...... I truly hope he's ok ....... this isnt all that has been bothering me ... but since I am a muslim .. I know I cant go to school tommorw cause people will just hate me ...


I'm sorry DJ. I know what it's like to not know... I'm doing it right now.. My friend's father works in the trade center.. i hope he didn't get to work yet when it happened.. and some of my friends were in manhatten today. *hugs*

as for school, People will most defiantely over react and pass judgement on you and that's awful. I really don't know what else to say except I'm sorry, and I hope that people can look past that and see you for who you are.

I'm finished with this entire situation for now. I'm feeling ill, and worn. My friends and I have decided to give blood and attempt to volunteer at the red cross tomorrow.

To all of those who have lost or may have lost loved ones, I'm very very sorry. My thoughts, prayers and wishes are with you all.

Funkmonkey Deluxe
09-12-2001, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by Dark Holy


Nobody is going to hate you 'cause of your religion... it's just not right, people won't do it, especially after something like this, so don't worry....

about your cousin, I'll be praying too... I hope he's ok..

They might. There's some pretty screwed up people out there. I mean, look at all those people in the middle east celebrating in the streets because the World Trading Center is leveled, the Pentagon was in flames, and masses of American Citizens died.

Dark Holy
09-12-2001, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by Wolfwood


They might. There's some pretty screwed up people out there. I mean, look at all those people in the middle east celebrating in the streets because the World Trading Center is leveled, the Pentagon was in flames, and masses of American Citizens died.

No, everybody will probably be angry at the terrorists and hating someone for no apparent reason would be doing just what the terrorists did. So I don't think anyone will hate him.

krissy
09-12-2001, 05:33 AM
I've already met plenty of people who don't fit that more positive group, Dark Holy.
DJ, .... Sorry. Get through it as well as you can, we're here, same for anyone else who loast something today.

Dark Holy
09-12-2001, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by Reno Leonheart
I've already met plenty of people who don't fit that more positive group, Dark Holy.
DJ, .... Sorry. Get through it as well as you can, we're here, same for anyone else who loast something today.

No! People may say they hate muslims, but they won't actually hate FFmusic dj even though he's muslim! Hating people that you don't know or a group of people is much different and much easier than hating an individual that you know! Nobody will do it! They can't! *sigh* maybe I'm just too green...

ew2x4
09-12-2001, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
<i>Nostradamus said the U.S. was going to have a Democratic president during Apocalypse?</i>

Not likely.

I think I'll become a prophet. I can make up metaphors too. All you have to do is make a couple thousand of them, to cover a whole lot of possibilities, and make sure people keep reading them for hundreds of years, so that there's a good chance of stuff happening to fit the possibilities.

I'd be really surprised if there wasn't a prophecy of Nostradamus that could be interpreted to fit this situation. But notice how absolutely no one interpreted that prophecy as "Planes will crash into the WTC and the Pentagon" before today.

Acctually there were a few reports that did predict the possibility of that happening. A few terrorism experts exploted that weakness.

As for leaving the terrorists alone, I think that would be pretty bad. Not only will they attack again, but the country will lose all sense of leadership and trust. Besides, terrorists kill well over a thousand people. Do you think that would be right if we let them walk?

And Dr. Unne, I think the thing that terrorists are thinking is "the USA has hurt our innocent people so we should show them." It's true that the USA has killed innocent people, but at the same time we regret it. In no way does the USA seek colateral damage(innocent's dying), atleast to my knowledge. But these terrorists purposely go out and seek civilians. They don't attack the head of some military leader, they go after the average Joe going to work unknowingly about to die in an act of what they think is patriotism that most people can't fathom or comprehend in a hundred years. I doubt I'll ever get over seeing that plane in it's last seconds.

Over the past 14 hours I have seen the best and the worst of human nature. Sometimes the most gutwrenching act can bring out the most brotherly love in everyone. Only time can tell what the future holds in store for us.

QuisFarisFuu
09-12-2001, 05:56 AM
This is so hard . . . over a thousand dead between the planes and the Pentagon, the news says, not even touching the WTC yet.

And I don't know why exactly this is so affecting, but seeing the ragged flags still up on their staffs next to the rubble is terrible.

screwtifa
09-12-2001, 06:20 AM
It's scary that something like this can happen at any time. And we pretty much have zero protection from an attack of this nature. Also that the terrorists that were flying the plane had enough determination to kill themselves along with the plane. Why do they hate the United States? Did we do something wrong? On the news, I saw palestinians dancing in the street....celebrating that our country has lost such a great deal........people are sick. Especially Palestinian people.


EDIT: The planes that were hijacked and flown into the twin towers both came from boston. My Aunt was scheduled to leave from boston to here(tennessee) today, on a later flight. Don't worry, my Aunt is fine. I just thought it was weird that she was probably in the same ficinity as the terrorist.

Asorie
09-12-2001, 06:42 AM
Okay, it's late, and I'm a little calmer, and I'm going to try to collect my thoughts.

I have been hearing people describe this as a second Pearl Harbor all day, now. I disagree...Pearl Harbor was different-we knew our enemies, it was a military base, and it was not peacetime, really. This is totally different.

And this is a terrorist attack? It seems to me that while this inspired terror among those present, it inspired a lot more of the lower human emotions and qualities- the greed already appearing in gas gouging nationwide, the absolute naive shock that anyone would <i>dare</i> to attack our "wonderful nation", hatred towards anyone we suspect of the crime and anyone resembling the suspected ones, and bloodthirstyness.

Yes, of course this whole thing literally sickens me. The horror I feel while looking upon the scene just wells up inside my stomach and chokes me. But something makes me feel a lot worse, and that's the people here who want nothing more than to go bomb Afghanistan. "You killed our countrymen!" we say, without proof. "Now you ought to die!"

Sure, that would be one thing if we had proof. It would be one thing if you wanted to bomb only military installations. But you people out there who are screaming for revenge want to bomb the entire country out of existance. You know who is in Afghanistan, who are the reason I have been saying we needed to intercede there for years now? The oppressed women who have fallen under the iron hand of the Taliban government. Yeah, you know, those women who are blinded if they are caught learning how to read, stoned to death for having a toe peek out of the hem of their robes, and not allowed to leave their homes or look out the window without a familial male escort? What about their children? Even if Afghanistan were sheltering Bin Laden, and if Bin Laden was behind this, those women and children have no say whatsoever in their government. Would you have the oppressed die because of the decisions of a few men? If that's the revenge you seek, you are just as bad as those who committed todays tragic crimes, and by your own logic, would be fair game to Afghan peoples seeking revenge again. It's an endless, vicious cycle.

There is not much left to say about what happened today. It really does go beyond words. It's like Oklahoma City, the Challenger, the old WTC bombing, Pompeii, and the 1989 earthquake all combined into one. It still feels like a dream or a movie rather than reality. The security that's being put into affect is going to change our lives. The borders are sealed. They have never been sealed like this before. There is effectively no travel, with no airplanes flying and gas prices anywhere from five to nine dollars a gallon. There are fighters on patrol in our airspace as we speak. There are armed guards all over- a friend of mine who works in Chicago was escorted out of his building by visibly armed Secret Service people today, and got to see the snipers positioned on the rooftops in the Loop. This is not the life we are used to, and it's not ever going to be again.

Gone is our arrogant self-confidence. Gone is our naive idea of perfect safety through selective personal isolationism. Gone are thousands of innocents and the hopes and dreams of their loved ones. Perhaps we ought to think a little harder before we take action, lest we become that which will haunt us for decades.

QuisFarisFuu
09-12-2001, 07:00 AM
On the news, I saw palestinians dancing in the street....celebrating that our country has lost such a great deal........people are sick. Especially Palestinian people.

Please - yes, the displays of joy are sickening. But the people being shown on television are not the entire population. Single out a group like that and you're indulging in the same blanket hatred that motivated the New York / D.C. attacks.

May nothing like this ever happen again.

ErdricksArmor
09-12-2001, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Mikztsu
I knew that Palestinians would celebrate this. It's just that they see USA as evil, their children grow up hearing how evil they are. They really hate US and maybe for reason. They think it's honor the be a human bomb. While ago I read an article how Palestinian father proudly said how his son will be suicide bomber. Life doesn't mean much to them. There's lots of anger and hate in these people, and that shows.


You know, it's really sick and twisted of you to generalize an entire race of people like that.

ErdricksArmor
09-12-2001, 07:36 AM
<b>Edited by Unne: Do not insult anyone on this MB. This is your first and last warning.</b>

American Badass
09-12-2001, 07:39 AM
Asorie, you hit the nail right on it's damned head with what you said. Every last word.

Don't get me wrong. As an American, I am sickened over what happened. But we really have got to get past our narrow perspective that America is so great. Let's be real here. There have been situations in the past in which America seriously f***ed up...not that the government would ever really let you find out about it.

But aside from that, realize that justice must be served with a sense of humanity. Vengence is never the answer. It just lowers an intolerable situation to further intolerable conditions. If you seek revenge, than you've already lost. I want justice just as much as everyone else, but let it be upon those who were involved and those who harbored these people who would threaten our lives.

Phoenix
09-12-2001, 07:54 AM
I live in Can.
but me concern for those americans too......
hope they're alright.......
btw.......i heard that someone had predict that the current Presid*** would be assa*inated
I hope this won't come true.........
*world peace*

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 08:06 AM
Vengeance is horrible. But we need to get rid of whoever did this. If that means killing the person or persons who were responsible for this or who helped this take place, then I think we need to kill them. We can't let people get away with something like this.

But yes, we should take care that we definitely know who we're going after, and we shouldn't bomb a whole country out of existence or something. We shouldn't respond to terrorism with terrorism. But we should respond with force, if we have to.

Dr. Disco
09-12-2001, 08:07 AM
The more I think about this, the more my stomach hurts.

There's a chance I may wake up dead tomorrow...

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 08:12 AM
You could wake up dead every day. There's always the chance, and there always has been, and there always will be. Most people just never think about it until something bad happens.

Sephex
09-12-2001, 08:14 AM
To the people who say killing them is worng: They kill eachother! I mean, they have been at war for 1000+ years!

My point is that they sit there and bomb eachother so if we dont bomb them...they will evntually kill themsleves...

EVERY DAY on the news I see that they are killing eachother...they say we are evil so one side decided to fu*k us over and we should do nothing....sure violence breeds more violence but if we sit here and do nohting they will make more attacks....

m4tt
09-12-2001, 08:15 AM
<font color="0099FF" face="Verdana" size="1">I avoided this thread until now. I think I just realized how much happened today. I was watching the news, showing scenes of people leaping to there deaths out of the towers. I guess that would be the better way to go then burning alive, or being crushed by the building. You'd probably pass out on your way down :/

Just watching the news made me even more depressed. Watching the people in the other country celebrating. That's sad. The ABC and CBS reporters have been there since 6am pacific time. I freakin woke up to Dan Rather's face, and I'm going to bed before he has even left the office. He looked so tired :/

This is just a draining day on everyone I think, I hope it's all over soon :(

Dr. Disco
09-12-2001, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Dr Unne
You could wake up dead every day. There's always the chance, and there always has been, and there always will be. Most people just never think about it until something bad happens.

But the odds are nil. But now, this:

'the flights that were Highjacked were from United and AA, they were numbered as follows:

11, 93, 175, and 77

11 = Today's Date
9+3 = 12 = Tomorrow
1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday
7+7 = 14 = Friday'

That's a bit eerie. Luckily, I live in El Paso, so its doubtful they'd attack here. But still, it's a frightening thought.

m4tt
09-12-2001, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Disco


But the odds are nil. But now, this:

'the flights that were Highjacked were from United and AA, they were numbered as follows:

11, 93, 175, and 77

11 = Today's Date
9+3 = 12 = Tomorrow
1+7+5 = 13 = Thursday
7+7 = 14 = Friday'


<font color="0099FF" face="Verdana" size="1">Jesus, I never looked at it that way >_<

That kinda reminds me of what Bonnie said tonight:
"did you know that in Revelations 18 it talks about towers falling and the smoke bilowing out and being visable for miles and merchants will weep because no one will buy thir goods, and the numbers of 3 of the flights add up to 11, 12 and 13 and Revelations 9/11(today's date) says that the first woe has passed and to be prepared for 2 more"

that's so scary...

Super Christ
09-12-2001, 08:25 AM
I think the numbers thing is reading a bit much into it. But it is an interesting coincidence, like it's an interesting coincidence that a conference about dealing with terrorism was scheduled to start today here in Salt Lake City for the olympics - just weird that the worst terrorism attack we've ever had occured on the same day a conference on terrorism started. At least nobody cares about Salt Lake until February. Maybe I should leave for the olympics.

Jewels
09-12-2001, 08:26 AM
<font color=#CC33FF>This just seems like a nightmare. I still can't believe this has happened. I just feel like crying all of a sudden. I never thought about crying until I came online and talking to these people from the States....it's just a bit overwhelming. Anyone from here could've been on one of those planes and it just makes me realise how much I care about everyone!

Dr Unne
09-12-2001, 08:34 AM
Matt: They're just numbers. Geez. They don't mean anything.

That chapter of Revelations also says that the city that's going to be smited would be smited because of fornication. Were they fornicating in the WTC? If you interpret "fornication" as a metaphor, it automatically takes on any meaning you want, aka. it's completely worthless.

The one who is going to do the smiting is God himself, by means of an Angel. Unless you interpret "angel" as "terrorist highjacker", I don't see how this applies. And it even names the city in that verse: Babylon. The "goods" that won't be traded are also named: food, clothes, spices, horses, sheep, perfume, and slaves. Were they selling sheep and slaves in the WTC?

m4tt
09-12-2001, 08:42 AM
<font color="0099FF" face="Verdana" size="1">Yes, I realize that they are just numbers. It's just a strange coincidence, that's all. Don't mind me, I'm tired and sick, my head isn't on straight right now.

Mikztsu
09-12-2001, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by ErdricksArmor


You know, it's really sick and twisted of you to generalize an entire race of people like that.

I didn't mean to generalize, ErdricksArmor. I ment in my post those who took such a joy out from that, and I'm sure most of us knows not all Palestinians like that.
I'm sure there were many people who didn't celebrate this day in there. I still believe that most of them were happy, and that much I will generalize: Most Palestinians.

Those number are strange coincidence indeed, and I believe it's just coincidence.

Loony BoB
09-12-2001, 10:53 AM
It's only now that people really realise just what other people in this world might feel.

If we went and retaliated, and bombed a city in Afghanistan and then celebrated at the result... think about it. Why do something unless it's worth celebrating, to you? Should we (and I say 'we' as I feel like I'm just as affected by this as every other person... though, I'm not, as I am a New Zealander) go and do exactly what they have done?

I liked how the Gulf War was sorted out, even though innocent lives were lost, it was done in minimal numbers - just pick off the important military buildings, and you're sorted. That's how this should be done - should it be a country. If it's a terrorist group... well, then, we have a nice group of countries that are more than willing to help us, so hey, let's go find 'em.

I've found that some leaders are actually more willing to go and get these terrorist groups than the Americans... weird, that. Though... I don't think anyone has really felt the full blow of this. It's only day one (in New Zealand, it was 1am today, aka the 12th)... no more than 20 hours have passed, so... yeah. I hate to think what could still come. I got exams tomorrow, and I'm pissed, coz my mind is now on other things...

I hate war, totally. It bites, big time.

I think Skanker deserves more credit for this poem, as it will not get too many views in the Writer's Corner:

The Innocents

Joe sits at his desk,
does his job,
lives his life,
does his best.

Joe died today
Sitting at his desk.
Doing his job,
Doing his best.

He won't get a chance
To live his life again.
Because a few don't
Care about the innocents.

Magnify your problems,
Increase your frustrations.
Construct your bombs,
And destroy all nations.

With the world this way,
everything must change.
Because it seems to me
That the innocents are no longer.

Denial
09-12-2001, 12:01 PM
A terrible terrorist attack on you people in NY.
Hope everything improves and Bush gets rid of the people responsible!

It's such a shock!

I grieve with you all!

Soon there will be a time when all these things will just be a thing of the past but until then, we all need to help each other!

Wolfboy
09-12-2001, 12:26 PM
I have to be honest here, I'm siding with Asoire.

In fact, I'd like to quote from a discussion I had last night. I said that justice and war are entirely two different things, to which my friend (an American, unlike me) said...


THe US would go in with a lot more force, trust me, if the US goes in, its going to be sateration bombing, you would see rives of fire droping from the sky. You don't get it, by doing what thay did, thay called for no quarter, the US will respond, and it will respond hard, if there is a country behind this, that country will be distroyed, totaly. If that means killing every man woman and child in that country, thay will still do it, and a warning to anyone else who might want to try.

The sad thing is, I believe that this is the kind of thing that the US would do. Scorched Earth. And two wrongs certainly do not make a right.

I may sound very British here, but a true retort here should in my opinion not factor all out aggression in an already frail world. If I were in charge, allow intelligence to discover the people responsible and arrange a SUBTLE line of covert assassinations. Just because they (whoever 'they' are) killed thousands of your innocents doesn't mean that you should do the same to theirs.

Kairo
09-12-2001, 01:26 PM
"Lowly lifeforms" as Edea would say.
WWIII has a high possibility of happening. It's not gonna be a power-ursurping war, it's gonna be a religion-fighting war. Didn't you know? The hatred between Muslims and the US have been an age-old enmity.

Britt
09-12-2001, 02:11 PM
If Muslims hated the United States, why do so many Muslims <i>live</i> the Untied States?

It may be my atheist attitude shining through, guys, but I think leaping on numbers and prophesizing Doomsday because of them is foolish. I realize that we are all mad with grief, but one must always keep one's head. I think that dwelling over Nostradamus and Revelation is foolish to even bother with, while right in front of us we have more to worry about. Jumping at shadows like this is just making <i>everything</i> worse for everyone, I think.

Second, I wish people would stop pointing fingers. I know that this is a terrible time, and that many people need restitution for this atrocity. However, cruxifying the Afghans, Palestinians, and Israelis for a troupe of immature dancing... imbeciles is wrong. A group of insane civilians does not point at a corrupt government, So, until we have solid proof of anything, we must not be so insulting and hasty. Afghanistan and Palastine have spoken out against the celebrations, and Israel has gone so far as to declare September 12 a day of silent tragedy and mourning.

Even if we <i>did</i> have solid evidence as to who organized this, (and we <i>do not</i>. The hijackers could just as easily be crazed Americans. There is <b>no</b> reason to seriously maintain that Muslims have done this.) we would merely be doing the same thing again that they have done to us, by bombing them. We weep for terrorism and choose to solve it with.. a massacre of more innocent lives? I should hope not.

nn_neo_nn
09-12-2001, 02:43 PM
Hi,

I just read through all the thread just now. I like to make a few comments. If they seem offensive, sorry but we all have our own opinions.


First of all, my prayers and thoughts go out to the victims families and the injured.

I guess I can go into what I was thinking. Yes, I am an American, and yes I was sick to see what I saw on the TV yesterday. Nowdays, I have to say, we shouldnt be shocked about anything. All you see is violence. You see in on TV, read about on the newspaper. We as a nation have been weak. Yes weak, I will say that cause that is how I feel. I feel like we dont punish people the proper way. Like Bin Ladin, this nut has been on the run for what 3 years, have we caught him, no we have not. We are suppose to be the world police, and the world meator(didnt spell that right). We as a country cant do this all, yes we get some support from our allies in europe and were ever else we can. But as a country, its time for the leaders to stop talking crap and start doing something about it by actions. Personally who ever is responsible should be killed. My personal opinion, and yes I would have to say this is what the majority of Adult Americans think, you dont come to america and do this to us. I know alot of people are not of age, I mean no offense to you, you feel as sick as everyone else here in america, in some of the threading i read, someone menitioned there going to kill us like it was a joke at school, I probably would have said, what if your family member or someone you knew was there, you wouldnt joke about it.

We arnt going to go to WW3, I highly doubt that, if we go to war, were going after the people responsbily for it. I look at this way, if s*** hits the s*** fan, we would be drafting people with the draft. I will gladly go and defend my country, It just pisses me off that our leaders talk crap but yet never do anything about it. If we the free world leader then, we need to act like it, I feel to a degree maybe we might have prevented this if we had taken measures along time ago. Yes, our government does so much crap under the table, we dont know what is really going on unless your in the intellengece community.

As for the palestines celebrating what was happening,
well thats just there feelings. Personally dont think they have ever cared for us, as well as other people. People will be allowed to have their own opinion, including us. No one will forget what happened yesterday, I know I wont.

Dr. Disco
09-12-2001, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Britt
If Muslims hated the United States, why do so many Muslims <i>live</i> the Untied States?

It may be my atheist attitude shining through, guys, but I think leaping on numbers and prophesizing Doomsday because of them is foolish. I realize that we are all mad with grief, but one must always keep one's head. I think that dwelling over Nostradamus and Revelation is foolish to even bother with, while right in front of us we have more to worry about. Jumping at shadows like this is just making <i>everything</i> worse for everyone, I think.

I am also pretty much athiest, and I don't think this means God's going to be shooting us down with lightning. I think the terrorists worked their attack like that on purpose, meaning maybe there's more destruction ahead. I'm praying(You would be surprised how much religion changes this has put me through) there's not.


Second, I wish people would stop pointing fingers. I know that this is a terrible time, and that many people need restitution for this atrocity. However, cruxifying the Afghans, Palestinians, and Israelis for a troupe of immature dancing... imbeciles is wrong. A group of insane civilians does not point at a corrupt government, So, until we have solid proof of anything, we must not be so insulting and hasty. Afghanistan and Palastine have spoken out against the celebrations, and Israel has gone so far as to declare September 12 a day of silent tragedy and mourning.

Israel is on our side, isn't it?
I could also see why they'd rejoice. Some are bastards, yes, but some don't know more than "All Americans are evil."
Hmm, maybe because we forced them off their land to live in refugee camps? Could be.


Even if we <i>did</i> have solid evidence as to who organized this, (and we <i>do not</i>. The hijackers could just as easily be crazed Americans. There is <b>no</b> reason to seriously maintain that Muslims have done this.) we would merely be doing the same thing again that they have done to us, by bombing them. We weep for terrorism and choose to solve it with.. a massacre of more innocent lives? I should hope not.

I'm hoping there won't be jumping to conclusions, but most evidence points to Bin-ladin. Still, I don't care who it is, these people deserve cold-hearted, brutal death. Japan attacked a military target at Pearl Harbour-that's different. These evil...I can't even think of a word to describe them beyond that...they knowingly took the lives of THOUSANDS. Not military, innocent civilians who were just doing their job. It just sickens me, to the pit of my soul.

^_^Squall202
09-12-2001, 03:26 PM
I jus hope this Chaos doesn't lead to a WAR!!! not World World III....i jus hope they settle themselves down without a WAR..

the_other_guy
09-12-2001, 04:05 PM
If you're asking me, which you're not, but I'm telling it anyway, America is uncapable of fighting, let alone, evading it. And what's important is not who did it, why they did it or what to do against it. What's important is what we can learn from this. Apparently, Bush hasn't learned a thing. What did I hear him say?

"We will hunt down and destroy the man who did this!!"

Alright, whoever did this needs to be punished, I'm not going to argue this. But hunting him down, that means he hasn't learned a thing from what happened here. What will Bush's actions lead to? Most probably WW3. I guess he's looking for war. He hasn't done anything humane since he became president.

Death penalty ==> inhumane.
Kyoto-scandal ==> inhumane.
Planning to invade Afghanistan ==> inhumane.
Wanting war in general ==> inhumane.

Being attacked by terrorists is nothing to be surprised about if you're doing these things. After all, Nostradamus did talk about 3 world wars, the third beginning with the Brothers (WTC - Towers) being attacked by magical birds (the airplanes) ...

Pharoh Amon Khan III
09-12-2001, 04:52 PM
You know that Pharoh Khan is on his waaaayyy...

That was song to the tune of "Mighty Mouse"... :)

C'mon... smile that you can folks and kids in light of this dark time...

I believe that this possibly may be the work of one if not several religious zealots who think that the doomsday train is running late.

The world is supposed to be in the 'Last Days' now and nothing much as 'prophezied' has occured yet.

So what do these santified zealots do? Well, the may feel 'annointed' by the hand of 'God' or whom/whatever to be the 'hand of fate' that bring about actions that bring about the 'prophecy'.

You can predict the weather, but that doesn't mean its gonna turn out as you believe... or if its gonna happen at all...

Well, as the top weather man, with my weather making machine... I'll MAKE it happen because... some big omnipotent cosmic, all powerful, all knowing, disembodied voice... inside my head... Told me that it would happen... or I gotta make it happen because it was 'prophesized' to happen...

I'll give more later...


Also, it is quite possibly that Venladin is being 'framed' by an opposing faction seeking to overtake him...

Or it was just some arabic version of a 'neo-nazi' sympathizer for Venladin in the US that staged this. Just to say "Hey! Venny! I'm wit ya man! I'll show you how much I'm wit yas!" :rolleyes2

Terran Humans are just SO human natured! Idiotic...
:rolleyes2

Harmony
09-12-2001, 05:11 PM
Can someone tell me how any of this has affected me yet? Coz everyone is beating themselves up speculating about all kindsa shite they dont even really know about. Sure, it might do soon (a war?) but some innocent people that i never wouldve met or even thought about their existence before this died, doesnt that happen every day? Yeah its terrible thing to have happened but i think theres a lot of worse things that really do affect everybody that do happen continuously. Theres a lot of strange thinkers here, i think some of you may have some idea what i mean. If theres a war or it in some way actually affects my life, then ill shit myself and start worrying but im gonna lose sleep over it till then.

Ive just reread that and it makes me sound like an uncaring asshole, thats not true, i do care but who am i decide if any of this is right or wrong and why should i give myself a headache about it (coz thats all my thoughts are gonna do) until theres actually some action for me to take? Im carrying on with my life.

Trance Zidane
09-12-2001, 05:37 PM
I was very worried when they had people working in Dallas evacuate. My mom works in Dallas. But she got home safely. Now I am worried about the rest of my family in Maryland, they'll be greatly affected by this tragedy also. I hope you guys are doing alright through this, and I send prayers to all families of the victims.





~My mom got on the news last night. She was in a purple dress. Did you see her?~

SpikingZero
09-12-2001, 05:44 PM
I heard about it during lunch time yesterday. I was absolutely disgusted with what went on. Even though I live in Canada, it affects me deeply, because, even though if the US has done anything "bad" in the past, what was done was absolutely unacceptable...attacking civilian buildings has got to be the worse form of attack I've ever seen.

I've checked certain sites, and the people who went on these missions had their Quran/Koran with them. It's the holy book of the Muslim religion. What ticks me off is that we worship the exact same God, just with different believes in Jesus, etc.

These Muslims have destroyed God's people, and had they attacked the White House, we would have been in World War III for sure. However right now, I'm certain that they're not going to result in war, for it really isn't necessary, as odd enough as it may seem.

I send my prayers to those who have had family lost in the crash.

Something like this will take months to recover from. Just...just plain awful...

mac32mac
09-12-2001, 06:19 PM
i'll bet my copy of FF9 and hirobie sakaguchies toenails that there will be a war with atleast 5 differant countries involved..........it is a guarntee that US with wage war against that guy (forget his name) and that guy has also trained over 50,000 troops......PLUS the ppl that agree with whgat was done to US.so that probley means they will bring in NATO........keep your eyes in the skies

Endless
09-12-2001, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by mac32mac
i'll bet my copy of FF9 and hirobie sakaguchies toenails that there will be a war with atleast 5 differant countries involved..........it is a guarntee that US with wage war against that guy (forget his name) and that guy has also trained over 50,000 troops......PLUS the ppl that agree with whgat was done to US.so that probley means they will bring in NATO........keep your eyes in the skies

Any country name?

Don't ... just don't. War is more than serious, and I wish that it doesn't happen. The only war mentionned so far is against terrorism, and involves most of the countries around the world.

Garnet of Alexandria
09-12-2001, 06:39 PM
:mad: Sighs this is becoming incredibly annyoing going through page after page of posts, so I decided to start a new topic and what do they do.. CLOSE IT!!!!!!!!

Anyway I agree, a War is ineviatable now... and it will more than likely be a world war because there are many Countries out there who would like to see America crumble..............

And now the USA are 90% sure that Laseen is behind it so they will retaliate soon and it'll all start off from there.

Gee.. this is scary. :cry: I don't want a World War!

Rainecloud
09-12-2001, 06:56 PM
Posted by Garnet

Anyway I agree, a War is ineviatable now... and it will more than likely be a world war because there are many Countries out there who would like to see America crumble..............

Although I first thought that, I doubt it will turn into a world war. Although there are many countries that dislike the USA, they're not all going to attack now...that would simply be foolish. If that does happen, the USA will retaliate like it did with the Hiroshima and literally wipe out the opposition. If there is a World War, it's not going to last very long. Pick on the USA, and you're dead - basically. This act was carried out by TERRORISTS, not a particular country. These terrorists are alone responsible for what happened, and you cannot blame an entire country for the act. Although the Palestinians were rejoicing in the streets, some in that country are innocent, and who's to say the Palestinians had anything to do with it? This was organised by a small terrorist faction...one which cannot be determined at this time.

*Everyone points to Bin Ladin*


Posted by Garnet

Sighs this is becoming incredibly annyoing going through page after page of posts, so I decided to start a new topic and what do they do.. CLOSE IT!!!!!!!!

They closed it because that's their duty. This thread is perfectly adequate to discuss this matter. If there were more threads, people would get confused and there would be two or more seperate discussions about it. One thread for people to voice their opinions together.

Garnet of Alexandria
09-12-2001, 07:07 PM
:whoa: Someone replied to one of my posts!!! Wow I'm not invisible ;)

Anyway let me refresh your memory:


President Bush: We will not hesitate to wipe out the terrorists and their hosts

The "HOSTS" are the country that surpported the oporation financally and by other means, so they will wipe out at least one country in their retaliation.

And what about Pearl Harbor, the Americans didn't hesitate about killing innocents then so whos to say the won't hesitate this time? It's a thing known all over the world as the:

AMERICAN RAGE

So think about it, are we being giving white lies by the US President and UK Prime Minister?

Nearly every ally of America is at risk and to be frankly honest I don't think anybody was expecting this.. nor do they know how to handle the situation.

If there is a war, the amount of spare nukes lying around will mean that most of the world will be obliterated and there will be a high chance that the terrorists may seize some warheads... who knows they might be plotting it right now?

Think about it... are we as safe as we think?

Cz
09-12-2001, 07:18 PM
I got beaten up today, after I started a fight with a kid who was laughing about it.

LAUGHING??? How can anyone laugh about something like that? That is almost as bad as celebrating! I seriously wanted to kill the boy. He doesn't care about thousands of lives being lost? I'm sure he wouldn't mind one more added to that tally...

OK, that is over the top, but wouldn't you get mad at him?