Who gave the teen girl a guitar?

[Sylvie]

I just noticed that nowadays, music is partly focused around fake musicians. Teen girls are whining about their life in a computerized voice, while wearing a pink mini-skirt and blonde hair. We call these people "Teeny boppers."

Teeny Boppers are terrible, terrible people. They hardly have any talent in music, so they make the computer do it for them. And whats worse are the fangirls/Barbie duplicates. The fangirls do nothing but scream in the audience because "ASHLE SIMSUN IZ MAI HEROOO <333" or "U R SUCHH A GOOD SINGAR!!" ... when she's not singing at all. I'm sick and tired of this, and I blame KIDZ BOP for half of this.

So this morning I see a Kidz Bop commercial. Terrible as usual. And then I notice something. These songs for kids are turning children into idiots. My friend's sister listens to it, and I want to gouge my eyes out when this crap is on. They use the worst freaking voices I've ever heard in my life. They had a deep black guy sing "All the little things" by Blink182 and "Boys and Girls" by Good Charlotte. Now, I sort of thought that a 20 year old emo male should of been singing it, but whatever. I then ask my friends sister if she likes the original song better or the Kidz Krap version better. I get the reply:

"THE ORIGINAL SONG SUCKS!"


Ok, I don't know about you, but I was in disbelief when I heard this. She chooses a version filled with children singing terribly over a half-decent song that she can get on a "NOW" CD. My friend later threw the Kidz Bop CD into a pool and dumped soda on the other one. (I thank you, Bakerman (http://forums.eyesonff.com/member.php?u=23171).)

So, for the topic of this thread... Opinions on Kidz Bop/Teeny Boppers.

And as DeathKnight blurts out...

DISCUSS!!

[Eiko Guy]

i hate those songs they take good music and butcher it

[No.78]

People who "diss" originals are stupid, but it's not unreasonable to prefer a remake of a song to the original. Or the other way round, or both. I mean we can't choose what we like now can we?

[Madame Adequate]

Saying that people who use computers to make music have no talent is tantamount to saying people who use pianos to make music have no talent.

[Sylvie]

What I meant was people who use the computer for their voice. As in, they have no talent what-so-ever so they use a computer.

[I Am Stoner]

I use Cubase SX to make my computer generated Musical Instrument Digital Information(MIDI) based music. If you say the guys who do that dont have talent, ha, you dont know what the smurf your on about mate and should quit while your ahead.

[Sylvie]

Yeah, whatever. I don't care, really.

I say that if you're gonna sing in the music industry, you should be able to sing. Not program computers.

[rubah]

I Am Stoned, we have censors already in place here at Eyes on Final Fantasy, so please let them do their job, and save you some effort:]

And milfy, you bring up an interesting thought. I have marveled to myself that people out of the books of Jane Austen (noteably Emma) can have multiple piano songs worked up and able to be performed at any given time, and when you think about it, a piano really is just a box with buttons to be pushed (I play piano btw, so don't none of you try to say I don't know what I'm talking about :P) It doesn't quite compare with the brass and woodwind instruments in difficulty to play. I mean, theoretically anyone could be able to play piano, but I have immense difficulty in getting sounds out on woodwind instruments.

I would say the same would be true for string instruments (barring guitar) but they aren't so well labelled as a piano is. I mean, most people don't have marks on their violins showing where on a string A is compared to D (like a guitar does with frets). Actually, maybe that is why so many people can 'play' guitar.

But yeah. a box with buttons.

And there's nothing *technically* hard about making midi music, except that you have to make it. :p It's yards easier than playing all the parts out yourself simultaneously, I'd imagine.

[Eiko Guy]

i agree if you cant sing its not fair that you could get signed while people with true talent end up at mc donalds

[I Am Stoner]

Not aimed at rubah: You dont know what your talking about!!! Using Cubase SX and Singing is completely different!!!

1) In order to use cubase sx you need knowlage
2) Since Cubase SX is a recording program that uses Audio as well as MIDI you could use that to record your voice into it, then you'd be singing on the track
3) All recording studios use computers to generate perfect music sounds and correct timing its so they get better publisity and more bands will use them. Hence why bullet for my valintine sound amazing then are actually shocking on stage. So in theory all bands are computer generated.

[Sylvie]

What I'm trying to say, is PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO TALENT AT ALL. I'm not saying that bands don't use computers, I'm saying that people who don't have talent shouldn't even be in the music industry. I can see maybe a little computer help, but I don't think its right for someone to use it completely to cover up for their lack of talent.

[Peegee]

Let's understand something, and this may be difficult to some:

- this is pop 'music'
- it is engineered to be popular, no matter the cost. See 'Limp Bizkit'
- it is not music in the sense that Pink Floyd is music (I don't listen to Pink Floyd btw)
- I'm not sure about Drum & Bass, but most genres have an example of 'pop' garbage, like pop rock, pop punk, etc.
- if you don't listen to it it can't hurt you. You are not society.

[Anaisa]

I hate all that teeny bopper trash. An it's so sleazy. I hate it when my little sister watches that garbage, an then starts prancing around immitating some talentless tart she's seen.

[I Am Stoner]

Too true the "Popular Culture" genre of music is mainly just for money making perpouses, I miss understood the thread, I apologise Genji if I said anything to offend you.

Also, music is music, music is a sound that is generated either by software synths or actual instruments. Someone tapping with thier foot is music because it is a sound. People may say, "then speaking is music" to them I say well duh, wtf do you think rapping is? Plus Trance/Dance/Drum & Bass, some of it is made for publisity, but some of it is made by people who enjoy other kinds of music, and decide to make those tracks they like into thier own favorite genre, hence the meaning of re-mixing. If you didn't make the music or you dont play as well as the artist then you have no right to judge. End of story.

[Skarr]

I think it hurts an artist when their voice sucks live, therefore lip singing. But I'm more into hard rock, so kidz bop can burn. But that doesn't mean I hate pop...by no means back in the 8th grade backstreet boys were the <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif">.

[Roto13]

Making music with a computer is one thing, but paying someone to use a computer to alter your voice and then calling yourself a singer is something else entirely.

[Anaisa]

If you didn't make the music or you dont play as well as the artist then you have no right to judge. End of story.I don't think that's true. If somebody isn't good at their profession, you have a right to criticise them. Why should you only be allowed to criticise somebody that works in the same profession that you do? An if you're not fit to judge anybodys music unless you're a musician, nobody would be listening to music but musicians. Because nobody would be able to appreciate it, because their not allowed to judge whether they like it or not.

[Sylvie]

I agree with roto13.

[Fate Fatale]

The Kidz bop series of Cds completely suck. We need to destroy their HQ so that thye will stop making CDs, then go ahead and destroy every single CD that is on the marker by them and heck, destroy every copy that was bought too. Those who will help me in my campaign must pay me $1000 so that I can buy a weapon on mass destruction. (oh, and we'll need a couple thousand followers paying at $1000 dollars to reach this goal.. Thanks!)

[Tavrobel]

and when you think about it, a piano really is just a box with buttons to be pushed (I play piano btw, so don't none of you try to say I don't know what I'm talking about :P)

Best definition of a piano EVAR

Genji said it best.


I agree with roto13.

[Zeldy]

And whats worse are the fangirls/Barbie duplicates
:( !

Thats more Teenies kthx. Fangirls arnt ALL bad xD

[Hambone]

Cheyenne. *shudders*

[Madame Adequate]

Apologies, I didn't realize you were specifically referring to singing, I thought you meant music in general. As someone who's grown up in a house where computers were used to make music, and who's had a go himself, the fact that one doesn't directly play an instrument doesn't mean no talent is involved.

As to whether people should augment themselves with technology, I can honestly find no reason to dislike it. That's just me though, and I'd really like it if I could sing without hurting people.

[Shoden]

I am Stoned

Best typo ever. People who actually use real instruments and not techno generated sounds do have more musical talent than because using a computer to make music doesn;t use musical skills it uses your computer skills. If you don't know what I just said then let me say it clearly. It's been said I know...

When you play an istrument you're using your musical skills but when you use the blinking computer to generate sounds you're really just using your computer skills with no musical skills needed. =)

[I Am Stoner]

Actually you could be using a Midi keyboard to play with, thats a instrument and it links to the computer by USB, so what you just said back fired. Savage.

[Shoden]

But would the keyboard generate noise with nothing to connect it to?

[Roto13]

Why are you so hostile, stoner?

Someone who makes music using a computer seems more like a composer than a musician to me. Nothing wrong with being a composer.

[Fuego]

What I'm trying to say, is PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO TALENT AT ALL. I'm not saying that bands don't use computers, I'm saying that people who don't have talent shouldn't even be in the music industry. I can see maybe a little computer help, but I don't think its right for someone to use it completely to cover up for their lack of talent.
out of curiosity ? are you saying that blink 182 have the great voice your talking about or good charlet ? because if you are you have mooted you point before even making one.
and i agree with stoner.
If you didn't make the music or you dont play
**EDIT**-as well as the artist- how bout play at all :) then you have no right to judge. End of story.

[Roto13]

If you didn't make the music or you dont play as well as the artist then you have no right to judge. End of story.Well, then, never ever say a movie or a video game or a book or tv show or anything else sucks ever again, or you're a hypocrite.

[Fuego]

Well, then, never ever say a movie or a video game or a book or tv show or anything else sucks ever again, or you're a hypocrite.

I usually say its not my cup of tea ... sux is a subjective term anyway. and only means something to the person saying it.

[DK]

When you play an istrument you're using your musical skills but when you use the blinking computer to generate sounds you're really just using your computer skills with no musical skills needed. =)

Er, no. To create anything resembling music, even using a computer, you still need a certain level of songwriting ability and musical knowledge to put something together to become a song, regardless of what you're using to make it. I'm not denying that to play in a band requires the skill of playing instruments, but to say that music created on a computer takes no musical skill is really quite foolish, and just shows your lack of understanding about what music is and what it takes to create it.

[Fuego]

thank you kyono ! Couldn't have said it better myself !

[I Am Stoner]

Dude, considering I havent said that about a game, a film or a book it doesnt affect me. Those words are my view, people are bound to have others. Also kyono, you know your sh*t man. Well said.

[Roto13]

Well, sorry, but I'm going to keep having opinions about things anyway.

[Avarice-ness]

All I can say is:

Good thing I don't watch music video's or listen to 'hit' music stations.

Because I honestly had no idea what you were talking about until you said something about Ashley Simpson. I was just kind of.. "..This music exists? Ew.."

[Shoden]

Music writing on the computer is practically coding but the end result is music, you're using computer skills to make music. alot of the stuff made from computers sounds like crap in the end, just sounds like super techno robot music sang by stoned chipmunks high on helium.... That can be said for parts of techno music in general but err... not to go there.... I just don't see how you can call it musical talent when the stuff was done by fiddling around with a few buttons on a machine. Even so I don't treat instrument music the same as computer generated music, probably wont for... Who knows. I know what you said but I just don't see it.

[Avarice-ness]

Music writing on the computer is practically coding but the end result is music, you're using computer skills to make music. alot of the stuff made from computers sounds like crap in the end, just sounds like super techno robot music sang by stoned chipmunks high on helium.... That can be said for parts of techno music in general but err... not to go there.... I just don't see how you can call it musical talent when the stuff was done by fiddling around with a few buttons on a machine. Even so I don't treat instrument music the same as computer generated music, probably wont for... Who knows.

*Brain hemorage* No fool. Get a program like NoteWorthy composer, and please use your computer knowledge to write me a good 6 staffed midi file, I would like the instruments to be: Piccolo, Clairnet, Glockenschpeil(sp), accoustic grand piano, pizzacato strings, and use the halo synth, I would also like 1 staff to use an Alto cleft, two to use Bass cleft and the other 3 to have treble, the time will be done like a waltz, tempo at 120, vairing to 90, done in G major. NOW! DO IT! Because computer knowledge alone can not help you now. I know your talking about computer distortion with a voice, or I hope you are, because writing music on a computer actually has it's advantages, Nobuo Uematsu started his FF music on a computer, basically the synths we have on our computers now a days are what he used to make all the music for FF6 and down. You are talking about musical distortion on a computer, audio mixing, not actually writing. Writing you put notes on a staff, musical distortion you would already have the basis of the music, -THEN- you would hit the different buttons to change the pitch, key, tone, all of that. -Please- realize there is a difference. *breathes out, and walks off twitching*

[Shoeberto]

Music writing on the computer is practically coding but the end result is music, you're using computer skills to make music. alot of the stuff made from computers sounds like crap in the end, just sounds like super techno robot music sang by stoned chipmunks high on helium.... That can be said for parts of techno music in general but err... not to go there.... I just don't see how you can call it musical talent when the stuff was done by fiddling around with a few buttons on a machine. Even so I don't treat instrument music the same as computer generated music, probably wont for... Who knows. I know what you said but I just don't see it.
On a guitar, you're fiddling with a few strings and frets; with a piano, a few keys and pedals; on drums, you're just banging stuff.

If you want proof that primarily computer generated music takes talent, listen to Amon Tobin. Few people can take samples like he does, chop them, mix them, and come out with a piece that feels as cohesive as it would be if performed live by instruments, if not better.

[Fuego]

if quote worked i would use it, cause i LOVE YOU Avarice-ness !!!

[Shoden]

you honestly think I'd actually attempt to do that? No. And I do mean those crappy boomb-boom shalla walla chipmunk pieces, just to lessen the damage. My problem is when idiots make pieces that sound like what I described and base it off a good song then it ends up being butchered and people have it blasting in the streets. Damn hippies chavs. I didn't refer to the things Uematsu and that did.

[I Am Stoner]

I agree with you but I am a drummer, I have been for ten years, and its not just banging stuff, drumming is about timing. You have no timing then give up, you'll be a sh*t drummer, also hand eye co-ordination is essential for drumming also the technique you use changes everything. I love drumming with a passion. Its what makes me feel alive, except for someone else. Plus, did you know that most guitarists that are solo artists use midi and audio, so basically what you just said again, back fired.

[I Took the Red Pill]

"My problem is when idiots make pieces that sound like what I described and base it off a good song then it ends up being butchered"

Face it, computers can make beautiful music or horrible music as you said. The thing is, the same exact rule applies to someone playing an actual instrument.

[Shoden]

That means I'd totally flop at drums. Hand-eye coord' difficulties =(. I'm getting a bass and going to get lessons every once in a while.

[I Am Stoner]

Dude for some reason I have been very agressive in this thread, im so sorry its not like me at all. I am sorry to hear that you have difficulties, but it is good to hear that you are getting a bass. You'll be great, im sure of it!=)

[Avarice-ness]

Dude for some reason I have been very agressive in this thread, im so sorry its not like me at all. I am sorry to hear that you have difficulties, but it is good to hear that you are getting a bass. You'll be great, im sure of it!=)

Yeah me too. .-.; I think it's because I took offense to the thought of someone saying you can't -write- good music on a computer and what not. When I take offense, I get anrgy. >=OOO

[DK]

Ashley, I love you.

Shoden, just stop. Just because you don't like something does not mean it takes any less skill, musical knowledge and songwriting ability to create it. Techno and other such things are still songs, they still employ melody and composition. It is music and it takes skill whether you like it or not.

[Fuego]

/em cheers Kyono on !

[Fate Fatale]

All music is music until a company decides to edit songs and have children sing them. Then those sonds are no longer music. All the bubblegum pop that is out nowadays is/are still music, they just may not be to your liking. Techno is still music. people spend days and weeks making those songs,a dnthey poured their heart and soul into it. Well, as long as they have done that it is music. If, however, the music is slopped together without care by the artist it is no longer music in my book.

[Shoden]

which defines what most mainstream pop music is. The end result usually differs and is butchered from the original version. Everythings edited to hell and back and we don't even get to hear the original version of the song. Just this stuff that makes you think "errr... Wtf?"

I'm stating my opinions, if you're telling me to stop then re-read. The computer gen music and techno I'm talking about is the butchered hatched up stuff that we hear, not the actual song done by the artist. If I was talking about the original song versions I'd be saying stuff much different. Everything I say my opinion, like it or not. I could say "hmm this sucks" it's an opinion, it's not as the stuff I say is actually fact, if it were I wouldn't bother posting my opinions here, because why state your opinion if it's a fact, what's the point, waste of time, yes, all that. So stop with the hating, like my opinion or not, I stated it, so be it. Oh and it takes knowledge of what you're using and what you're going to do , which can also be called musical knowledge. Well if I put IMO after every post, they'd look alot more bad then they should be. Different people have different views, but when it comes to hatched up butcher versions of songs people made then it's easy to say "sucks" and stuff. Understand this? This is for anyone else on the recieving end of all the hate flowing around here.

[Sylvie]

Fuego, I have no idea what you are even saying. Please rephrase that thing you said... it was on the first page.

[Cloudstrife4003]

HMMMM......cool...

[Sylvie]

... Yeah?

Please reply to the thread, and not just make a comment on it. This is for discussing, not commenting.

[Kurui]

eww, kill it :barf:

I mean.. I shall not judge?

[Fuego]

does blink 182 or good charlet have 'the great voice' your talking about ? because if you think they do you have mooted ( To bring up as a subject for discussion or debate) your point before even making one. meaning this is a whole other topic to rant about . i.e. they suck sooo bad ! lol i just don't like their music :rawlf:

was that it ?
or the other thing ?

[Cloudstrife4003]

Ya...I don't really like all the new rock bands coming out..I like chili peppers and metallica and all that but not new bands..

[Sylvie]

Thats it, and I still have no idea what you're really saying.

[Materia Hunter Yuffie]

Kids Bop must die....
I don't care much for new bands either, well I like Nickelback I have no clue how old it is though.

[Cloudstrife4003]

o ya...nickelback is good....

[Fuego]

LOL !!! ok , lets try this ... you set up the topic . Opinions on Kidz Bop/Teeny Boppers .
But the example you used had to do with asking about blink and goodcharlete ... which for me i would rather be steril than listen to either kids bop, now, or the originals. so i am saying that the point of having to choose (for me) two obvious evils is in and of it's self another topic. which is why i asked if they had "'the great voice' your talking about ?" because it sounds like since you used them in your example you would pick blink or goodcharlet given the choice ... and i'd rather stick burning cigarettes up my ears .
I hope this is more coherent ... i am trying to leave work now and not focusing as well as i should ... plus its been a really crappy day with bitchy for no reason people ... and add that to projects plus posting in mostly coherent thoughts ... i'd say i'm not doin too bad :tongue:

Peace out
Fue~

[Shoden]

I don't see why so many people hate N'back, I've heard alot of their covers and songs, they're not all that bad. When it comes to super pop music, then no, kill 'em, kill 'em, kill 'em. Especially all these duplicate bands you see that are all a copy of some original band, the band's style, look, and similar singing. Eg. Busted, Mcfly, Fightstar, son of dork, freefaller, got that's as many as I know, there could be dozens more but I know there's other bands copying another band. I cannot even tell the difference between half of these types of bands.

[Hearts]

I hate how they put those kinds of songs on kid CDs and then the kids sing along, not even understanding half of the content in the song.

I also hate more than anything how people listen to things only because others do.

[I Am Stoner]

There is only one way to describe bands like blink and greenday - Pop. They are not in the genre of rock, rock is ACDC, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Rage Against The Machine, Led Zeplin, Frank Zappa. Bands like those are rock, at the very most blink etc should be called Pop/rock not just plain rock, its a discrace to the rock genre to call them that.

[Shoden]

You 2 just summed up the entire genre of pop. Well It'd be funny trying to see kids singing along to Slayer or Cradle of Filth. Greenday isn't even pop punk they're EMO Pop/punk. That genre itself has become popular among kids and for some reason it's because they're crap they've become pop, media whorers, everywhere I look in magazines there's praise to "rock" bands like Greenday, Blink 182, My Chemical Romance and Lost Prophets. Even in metal magazines they get compared to Judas Priest and Metallica.

[Cloudstrife4003]

Red hot chili peppers....Love that band..

[Hearts]

There is no way on Earth the RHCP are "pop"

Green Day used to be punk. Now its just pop.

[I Am Stoner]

I understand what you mean, but they have always been mainstream punk/pop same as bowling for soul ect. Indie is a good genre as well, the verve, The Mars Volta, At The Drive-In and oasis. Red Hot Chillis are mainstream but thier way to good to be described as pop.

[rubah]

Who says pop is bad? Kelly Clarkson is pop, but her songs and singing are awesome.

Classifying music by genre is pretty much impossible xD Neel had the best idea when he arranged his itunes playlist by moods :p

Indie is not a genre. It is a lack of being signed :p

[I Am Stoner]

Hahahaha, I beg to differ, but that was a funny joke, respect dude!:) :) :) We all know that metal is the best.:p :) :) :cool: :) :D

[BakerMan]

Your Welcome Genji, that was fun. I despise teeny boppers, especially those like HIlary Duff and Lindsay Lohan. They shouldn't have left the television or movies and even that was enough to make me hate them. As for the people that use a computer for their voice, they shouldn't even bother.

[Kirobaito]

Using the computer to <i>write</i> music is a legitimate way of making it, because it does require skill. However, I will always prefer non-computerized instruments because I just think they sound better.

Using a computer to synthesize a voice, however, is a completely bastardization of what music is supposed to be.

[Roto13]

Using the computer to <i>write</i> music is a legitimate way of making it, because it does require skill. However, I will always prefer non-computerized instruments because I just think they sound better.

Using a computer to synthesize a voice, however, is a completely bastardization of what music is supposed to be.
See? Someone gets it!

[Sylvie]

Hooray for Kirobaito!

[thizzle]

Who cares if they sing like <img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"><img src="/xxx.gif"> they are hot as shizz!

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

That's the plus side to it.

I'm not a particularly big fan of these types of groups but before I go wasting my breath verbally bashing them I tell myself that there are more important issues in life worth more consideration and atleast save myself some unnecessary aggro

[Markus. D]

the whiny teen girls sound like "The Veronicas" and there brilliance x 12000

[SnoopyG]

Indie is not a genre. It is a lack of being signed :p

I've always wondered why people like indie bands and bash on the ones that got signed. If indie bands were good, wouldnt they be signed?

[Fuego]

At one time it was considered cool to not sing like kelly clarkson. now there is so much emphasis on having this "soul" sound where it sounds like your bringing notes from the other side through your voice. honestly half of the people who are heralded to be godly singers in one form or fashion use computers to fix the pitch or sync up the speed or whatever the reason they may have ... even effects like distortion and chorus and echo or reverb ...
i don't understand why its such a monumental thing, esp since its being done more and more. When you see your favorite band playing they are using harmonizers and equilizers etc., there is actually a purpose for the big rigs of equipment stacked behind them ... they aren't just to look pretty.
Before you think i am "Completely wrong" i agree to use Computers instead of singing is pathetic, however to use one to clean up the track or whatnot ... thats just how the biz works.

***EDIT***
And for your question snoopy
"I've always wondered why people like indie bands and bash on the ones that got signed. If indie bands were good, wouldnt they be signed?"
Its a status thing ... to make it big just by following alone is what indie is all about ... not getting a butt load of money to promote and distribute (because you signed a contract)... it means more cause you did it all yourself.

[aquatius]

Aly & AJ *shudders*