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tan
09-18-2006, 02:15 AM
I finally finished the first challenge's video. I hope you guys like it!
http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/top_artist/?action=view&current=EoFFsTopArtistvideo.flv
The music is a bit cheezy and doesn't really fit in in some places, so be warned xD

Nominus Experse
09-18-2006, 06:58 AM
I like this challenge - it's allowing me to be obsene.

Mum
09-18-2006, 10:00 PM
ANGER - I won’t submit a painting and you can’t make me!
PRIDE - I’m so good I don’t have to submit an entry – I’d win anyway.
GLUTTONY - Are you kidding? I’m too full to pick up a paintbrush
ENVY - I’m not submitting a painting because mine wouldn’t be as good as the others and I can’t stand it.
SLOTH - I can’t even be bothered submitting a painting
GREED - I want all of the paintings, not just one!
LUST - I’m too busy to stop and paint…

Nominus Experse
09-18-2006, 10:16 PM
I believe Mum is justifying a means to simply not turn anything in just in case something goes wrong or she simply doesn't wish to do one...

Clever, Mum

Clone 01
09-19-2006, 03:40 PM
i had already thought of this and was going to make my none-picture a surprise,but it seems that it may be wasteful now.I am actualy quite busy now anyway and also not willing to do this round right now so it wud have been a perfect picture for me,but i doubt it wil take on any points now. :(

tan
09-19-2006, 06:52 PM
i had already thought of this and was going to make my none-picture a surprise,but it seems that it may be wasteful now.I am actualy quite busy now anyway and also not willing to do this round right now so it wud have been a perfect picture for me,but i doubt it wil take on any points now. :(

Does this mean you're quitting? I can't quite tell o_O

Clone 01
09-19-2006, 08:43 PM
no im not quitting.its just im sick and kind of busy so just taking some what of a break wud have been easier.but nevermind about that anymore,i shud have my picture in by the deadline.

tan
09-22-2006, 02:24 AM
Wow, no one has turned in their entries yet. I usually get them a couple days after the challenge is posted. I hope this one wasn't too difficult...

ValkyrieWing
09-22-2006, 07:16 AM
I'm just experiencing the horror of artist's block. :P

I'll have it done soon. :)

tan
09-23-2006, 02:28 AM
For those of you who are new and who didn't get a customized EoFF's Top Artist sig (such as ValkyrieWing's), just tell me if you want one so I can ask Genji to make one :D

ValkyrieWing
09-25-2006, 05:35 AM
Commencing inking of GREED> :P

Mum
09-26-2006, 01:30 AM
Don't worry Tan, this wasn't too hard - its just that we had a fortnight to do it and the pressure was off. I had my pic mapped out as to what to do the very next day. Then I got exceptionally busy and went away last weekend (when I get time to do any painting) and now I only have 2 nights left to do my painting! (Its still in base-coat form!) I had wanted it to be well executed, but now I'm just going to have to rush it in order to get it done and *sigh* oh well, I guess Nom will just say that I haven't done as much detail as was needed again... (Ouch) But it was a great idea for the 7 of us to do the 7 deadly sins and I am still enthused. Really looking forward to seeing all the entries, especially as there has been time to do really good drawings.

ValkyrieWing
09-26-2006, 02:47 AM
I have just found out that my inital drawing of greed dosen't fit the criteria, so I am drawing another one. I did something that wasn't a person, so I'll try something else.

EDIT: Aw, smurf it. I'm just gonna submit the one I did, and hope it flies. :) Besides, I'm stuck beyond measure.

41-Inches-Wide
09-26-2006, 05:32 AM
I still haven't come up with anything on lust and I'm getting scared because I don't know why I can't think of anyyytthinggg...

Sorry tan I just logged on today I still can't figure out the winamp file extension situation and I still have the challenge 4 AVP, but there's a problem. if I upload the movie with a .dat extension, photobucket accepts it, but won't show anything except the title part. I can't make it .mpg or .wma because my software doesn't feature that kind of movie export. So sorry.

Mum
09-27-2006, 01:41 AM
I'm proud to say that my fine pic on Pride is now coming along since I buckled down and got on with it (the diligent, wonderful person that I am) and I'm proud to say that it is a very fine pic indeed - INDEED I say!

Seriously, I will be able to finish it off tonight and will humbly submit it to you tomorrow Tan. I pray it doesn't come before a fall...

Hey 41" I agree - lust would seem to be the easy one with lots of lovely babes to draw, but in reality its actually quite hard to depict the actual sin. Good luck! Hint: Concentrate on the look in the eyes...and people aren't the only sexy things about we lust over - lust borders on greed really - wanting...

tan
09-27-2006, 11:05 PM
Both ValkyrieWing and Mum have turned in their entries, and I noticed one thing: both didn't have the embodiment of their sin as a person. I have decided that this will not be a judging point, and is no longer required. If any of you are working on a picture of the sin as a human, that's still fine, but if you want to embody it in any other way, it's fine.

Mum
09-27-2006, 11:08 PM
I may have to explain mine when it is posted...? What do you think, Tan?

tan
09-27-2006, 11:10 PM
Sure, that's fine Mum.

41-Inches-Wide
09-28-2006, 04:19 AM
Thank you so much for the inspiration, Mum! :3
Anyway, I'm not turning in Anime inspired that's for sure. I got criticized by a friend when I turned in a drawing in anime and he said it was hentai and not at all what is Lust.

ValkyrieWing
09-28-2006, 06:17 AM
*is releved*

COOL. :)

Looking forward to the entries!

Mum
09-28-2006, 10:54 PM
Thank you so much for the inspiration, Mum! :3
Anyway, I'm not turning in Anime inspired that's for sure. I got criticized by a friend when I turned in a drawing in anime and he said it was hentai and not at all what is Lust.


Boy, NOW I feel old!
What is 'anime' and what on earth is 'hentai'!?

Zeromus_X
09-29-2006, 02:14 AM
Anime is just a Japanese loan word for animation, but outside of Japan it usually refers to the style of Japanese animation.

Hentai...uh...well, I'll let someone else handle that...:/

Moon Rabbits
09-29-2006, 02:39 AM
Anime is just a Japanese loan word for animation, but outside of Japan it usually refers to the style of Japanese animation.

Hentai...uh...well, I'll let someone else handle that...:/

Hentai is pornographic anime ~.^

41-Inches-Wide
09-29-2006, 03:43 AM
That's about right.
I got borderline pr0n. :3

ValkyrieWing
09-29-2006, 06:23 AM
o_O Now I'm curious. XP

tan
09-29-2006, 10:33 PM
I hope the five of you who are not complete finish! The deadline is in about 10 hours.


EDIT: I forgot to say, Nominus Experse has had surgery (I believe...) and he is a bit woozy and incapacitated. Therefore, he needs an extension. I have decided to give all of you who need it a two-day extension. I would like them in ASAP, however.

ValkyrieWing
09-30-2006, 04:40 AM
WOW...I hope Nominus' OK. :O

tan
09-30-2006, 05:06 AM
I'm just going to post the first two entries because I want as much judging done step by step.

1. Mum
Sin: Pride
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%205/AtWhatCost-Resized.jpg

2. ValkyrieWing
Sin: Greed
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%205/avarace2.jpg

3. Zeromus-X
Sin: Envy
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i166/Zeromus_X/scan.jpg

I only have 3 out of 7 of the entries... I know Nominus is 1/3 of the way done and 41-inches-wide mentioned earlier that she was on the verge of getting done. I do not want this extension to be another opportunity for you to sort of slack off... Please take full advantage of it. If you're stuck, I am here to advise you. Just please get it done quickly.

P.S. The fact of life is that most of us have lives outside of the Internet. I realize that. Therefore, I'm going to ask any of you who need to quit for whatever reason to do so now. You don't have to give a reason, because in all truth, it does not matter. Notify me if you're quitting so I'm not sending you a billion PMs as to where your entry is, also =P

Zeromus_X
09-30-2006, 06:45 AM
I guess I'll add this to my work:


Well, this definitely isn't my best work, but I hope it conveys Envy well enough. Green is obviously for 'green with envy' (and an excuse to use my favorite color), and I put a bunch of things to 'envy' down below him. I put clouds over the faces of the people below to symbolize how envy can start to cloud the way you view people, all caught up in envy and what-not (but I do like putting random things in pictures besides).

ValkyrieWing
09-30-2006, 07:12 AM
Explanation time!


To represent greed, I chose the image of a red dragon and his hoard. I chose this for the simple fact that dragons are quite possibly the most beautiful, deadly...and GREEDY creatures in literature or games. There has rarely been a dragon that was not wallowing in treasure. Smaug, the Nidhogg Serpent...greed drove them to evil, and to their ultimate demise.

The dragons' face holds an expression of threat and disdain. He's sneering, clutching a human skull, offering death to any who dares to claim HIS treasure. To me, this is the ultimate representation of greed.

Also, great work so far! Best of luck to everyone!

Clone 01
09-30-2006, 01:00 PM
sorry everyone,i havnt got a chance to draw anything matching the quality of these pics!i just dont have time anymore!i hate dropping out of things but my schedule is just too busy!ive been really run down lately!if u want me to i can do a stick man because thats how lazy a sloth wud be to draw something but anything i draw now i probably wouldnt make it to the next round anyway!

Again,sorry for dropping out,i hate to do it!!!

tan
09-30-2006, 07:25 PM
There will be no elimination for this challenge, since Clone#01 dropped out. It is not necessary if you turn in your entry by tomorrow, unless you want the chance to win (because you can't win if you don't submit anything.) If you do not turn anything in by tomorrow you will simply be passed on technicality.

ValkyrieWing
10-01-2006, 03:23 AM
It's getting to the point that whoever dosen't drop out wins. :)

Noest time, we need rules stating commitment, no matter what

41-Inches-Wide
10-01-2006, 09:56 AM
I'm sorry but i don't i'll be able to pass my piece on lust on time. And even if i would ask for an extention i still don't think i'll be able to complete it. I cant offer any excuses as to why i can't finish the piece but i am deeply sorry that up until now the unfinished sketch is still in my sketchpad. Thank you and i'm sorry tan.

tan
10-01-2006, 07:10 PM
41-inches-wide, you have immunity from last challenge. You don't need to turn in a piece. Besides, clone#01 is already erased for dropping out, so it's not necessary that you have to turn one in.

EDIT: I guess that's all the entries I'll be getting for this challenge. One judge has not completed their reviews yet, so those of you who have not finished (Phil and Nominus Experse), you can still turn yours in, if you wish. And, by the way Phil, I'd like to talk to you. Please PM me ASAP...

The reviews are in from 3 of the 4 judges. Before I post them, let me introduce them:
Carny, a very skilled artist who often hangs out in #eoff.
Agent Proto, a former contestant.
Lackshmana, who is the only judge who hasn't turned their reviews in.
And the guest judge was... me! I decided to be it this week because I would be the only judge among the other three familiar with your styles, therefore having more insight in your pictures.

1. Mum
Sin: Pride
Carny- "The use of a blind fold over the Eagles eyes is a good indication as to how America is actually blind to the true reasons of the war in Iraq. It seems to be saying that they are using the pride of the nation to be fighting an unjust war and getting rewarded for it. I could rant on for hous about this, but I won't."
Agent Proto- "This is a very beautiful piece of art. I really enjoy the details that you included from the smoke of fire down to the feathers of the blindfolded bald eagle. However, I must say that this art doesn't suit the sin of pride. If I'm wrong, I do believe that the sin of pride is defined as "Arrogant or disdainful conduct or treatment; haughtiness." I feel that this art features none of that, and that is going to lower your score a bit. I do not believe pride for your country equals to haughty pride for one's self. Nonetheless, this is a very great artwork."
Mine- First off, Mum, I'd like to tell you that I am extremely amazed at how you always turn your entries in early, yet they look so good and sort of seem as though you did them for months on end. I'm not accusing you , however, I'm just commending you on the kind of work you do in this sort of time frame =P
I think the picture is very well-drawn (as your style always is) and I really like the colors you used and how you paid attention to detail. This is ultimately your stlye, and it is very mature. You've been sort of lacking in these last challenges dealing with more of the modern young sort of drawing (I mean no offense saying that, by the way), but in this challenge, you nailed it.
The symbolism is genius. When I thought of pride, I never thought of America, but you conveyed the sin very well. However, it seemed a bit too subtle to me. If the flag had not been there, I would've understood what you were going for in your picture perfectly and would've scored you higher. You put a lot of thought into this challenge that it amazes me. It's extremely good.

2. ValkyrieWing
Sin: Greed
Carny- "Not sure what they are trying to represent with this piece of work. Are they implying that the dragon is greedy or that the person who is going to slay the dragon is greedy as they are after it's wealth in gold. It's a nice peice for any folklore fan, the proportions are a little out but other than that it is reletivly good. If only it would have depicted exactly who was the greedy party in the picture I would have given it a higher mark."
Agent Proto- "Very nice. I like the usage of color in this. The red dragon representing greed is a greaqt idea. This artwork clearly represents that and shows it off with a greedy dragon protecting his wealth of gold. The detail is very good Sadly, I don't have much to say for your work, but I will say it did represent the sin of greed well."
Mine- I remember telling you about this whole dragon thing- it's not something I believe really fits in with greed. It really did not make sense to me. I see dragons all the time and don't suddenly envision them as being greedy. Your thought process in this was well-thought, but, overall, it seemed not to be very cohesive in the end. I mean, yes, I get the whole gold thing, but you could put any sort of monster on top of gold and say it was greedy. There's just not much thought into it.
I do believe, however, that your saving factor in this is that you did it very well. It may not have been the right idea to convey, yes, but you drew it really well. I like the variety of color and the meticulousness of your work. The scales on the dragon look like it took you forever, which is something that I think looks good. I don't like the shiny kind of color, though, because it just stands out too much. Yes, it's gold, but it might've been better just to keep it sort of toned down by not adding that.
Overall, I find your piece strong in the execution area, but lacking in symbolicism.
EDIT: I read your description of your piece and I sort of understand what you were going for. I did not notice the skull, which is a very nice touch to it. I finally see what you were going for- not as symbolic and thought-provoking as Mum's, but still, very good.

3. Zeromus-X
Sin: Envy
Carny- I'm probably not the best to review this picture as I am colour blind with red and green. So I am very happy to have gotten a brief description from the artist. I like the fact they used green in the picture, because like the artist says, it is immediately thuought of to be envy. The one thing I didn't like was the people below. Even though the artist said that they are covered with clouds as to depict a clouded point of veiw, it doesn't really come across as such. Could be to do with the detail in them caused by the time frame given, but either way it just doesn't fit for me.
Agent Proto- "It's a nice piece of art. However, it would help if you included more color, or had more details with what's going on down on the bottom of the drawing. From your explanations, I do believe that is an envious crowd, jealous of the magician in the center. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's very hard to interpret, even with the explanations. From what I believe, the sin of envy is defined as "Jealousy and dislike felt toward another because they have a position, possession or quality one desires." However, I fail to see any sort of jealousy in this work, and because of that, it will lower your score a bit."
Mine- Your style is very light, very soft in colors and drawing. This is something I wished you would've strayed from in this picture, because I believe envy is a very strong emotion. There is a lot of blank space in this picture (unless there's something wrong with my browser) on the top. Maybe something could've been done about this? It looks rushed, in some aspects.
The cape and clothes are very well done, and I like the sort of way that you made this out to be a real person.
Basically, I believe your thought was in this piece looked like it was getting there, but it seemed to need more time. As for your drawing: it looks like your style, and I think your style does sort of look like a "cleanly rush." (if that makes sense) I do like your style, and I do like the colors you use, but this piece looks unfinished. You could've done so much more with two days.
EDIT: I liked your description of how you used green, but it was not a theme prevalent throughout your entry, and I would've rather to seen more green. The clouds were a good idea, and I liked your thought behind them.

And so... onto the scores.
However... I will not be posting the scores. Not now, at least. I am going to give you 24 artists for a rebuttle to what the judges said. Why? So you can tell us what you were really aiming for, and possibly change your score. Be sure your description makes sense though; they may even lower your score if your response to their reviews doesn't make sense. If you do not want to give a rebuttle, simply post saying that you do not want to.

I'll post the other reviews and scores tomorrow. Remember, for those of you who have not turned them in, you still have one day!

Mum
10-02-2006, 09:08 PM
Paintings like this are supposed to be challenging and thought provoking, and for the viewer to make up their own minds on what its all supposed to mean. The 3 judges have all gleaned something from it, so thats good.
However, my explanation is that I wasn't actually aiming it towards having a dig at the war, beacuse thats not a pride issue I feel. Nor was it a slur on being proud of your country.
In a nutshell:
Its that blind patriotism is a form of pride.
I have entitled the painting "At what cost?" and it depicts winning being ultimate, despite what it may cost.
Pride is the opposite of humility, where you are encouraged to always put others ahead of and above ones self. The symbolism of the eagle is not humble.

I'm glad you thought it was well executed - thank you. VW's was also very well executed, and good on you ZX with your watercolour(?) - it was especially clever that you showed the figure pointing to something 'off screen' that he wanted.

tan
10-03-2006, 12:20 AM
Hmmm... no rebuttles or any more entries then? I'll announce the winner then.

Mum, your piece was deep and profound. On top of that, you drew it really well.
ValkyrieWing, you drew this very well, and where you were headed with it was really good.
Zeromus_X, the judges like your style, and you did put thought into this.

The winner is... Mum. Congratulations. You have immunity for next challenge.
ValkyrieWing and Zeromus_X, you two are accepted and move onto the next challenge as well. Congratulations.

Average Scores and Ranks-
1. Mum- 8, winner
2. ValkyrieWing- 7.3
3. Zeromus-X- 5.2
4. Phil- passed by technicality
4. Nominus Experse- passed by technicality
4. 41-inches-wide- passed by technicality
7. clone#01- dropped out, erased

The next challenge will be posted in a bit. I'll give you a hint as to what it's about: imagination.

See you in a bit.

Zeromus_X
10-03-2006, 12:23 AM
Yeah, I kinda do that with my pictures. xD

But anyway, the dude in the picture is Envy, not the people down below. Sorry if I confused anyone.

ValkyrieWing
10-03-2006, 04:28 AM
Ok, I can accept that. I would have posted a rebuttal, but I had to work. :)

tan
10-03-2006, 05:03 AM
The competition is down to the best 6. We started with 12, and now there are only half of you. We still have 4 originals (ValkyrieWing, Mum, Nominus Experse, and Zeromus-X) while the rest of you are substitutes (41-inches-wide and Phil). Anyway, I just wanted to recount because it sounds interesting. Here are the rules of this challenge!

Challenge 6: RSL's House of Imaginary Friends

This challenge, you will have to draw an imaginary friend. However, it won't be that simple (it never is, is it? xD).

You will have to draw what you think one of your fellow contestants' (*shock*) imaginary friends would look like if they had one. There will only be one artist's imaginary friend per artist, meaning that only one person may draw Nominus Experse's imaginary friend, only one person may draw Mum's imaginary friend, etc. You do not need to choose the person who choose you (i.e. if Zeromus-X chose ValkyrieWing, she doesn't need to choose him).

There will be no order for choosing this challenge, it's basically first come first serve. You may not do your own imaginary friend.

In the case that someone drops out, it will not affect the competition, there will just be one less drawing. So, for example, if ValkyrieWing dropped out, this does not mean the person who decided to draw hers will quit.

You may help the person who you decided to choose, but do not spoon-feed them what you want it to look like (it is a competition, after all). This is not a partner challenge, so do not help them along the way.

Judging points for this challenge: originality, color, and how well the imaginary friend goes with the person you chose. You may give an explanation as to why you think the imaginary friend you drew fits the person you chose, but it is not necessary.

The deadline will be Friday, October 13th.

So, have fun with this challenge, and be creative!

P.S. There is no real reason why the title has RSL's name... I just wanted to put a respected member's name in the title. He will be the guest judge for this challenge, however.

Nominus Experse
10-03-2006, 05:15 AM
I want to do ValkryieWing's friend, if she has no qualms with such a thing.

tan
10-03-2006, 05:40 AM
Okay then, this leaves Phil, 41-inches-wide, Nominus Experse, Zeromus-X, and Mum to choose from.

41-Inches-Wide
10-03-2006, 05:42 AM
I would want to do Zeromus_X's if you please.

ValkyrieWing
10-03-2006, 05:43 AM
I want to do Nominus. :) I respect him as an artist, and he's an awesome person.

EDIT: AWESOME! Nominus and I chose each other. :D

tan
10-03-2006, 05:47 AM
That leaves Phil, 41-inches-wide, and Mum.

Nominus Experse- ValkyrieWing
41-inches-wide- Zeromus-X
ValkyrieWing- Nominus Experse

Nominus Experse
10-03-2006, 06:23 AM
This ought to be interesting due to the fact that this challenge basically shows what other people think of eachother's psyche and other various characteristics.

ValkyrieWing
10-03-2006, 06:36 AM
*is already doodling*

:D

tan
10-04-2006, 12:33 AM
Where are Phil, Mum, and Zeromus-X, and why haven't they checked this thread!? o_O

Nominus Experse
10-04-2006, 02:31 AM
They're all in my closet tied to various machines of... joy.

xX.Silver.Wings.Xx
10-04-2006, 04:29 PM
is it too late to join in?

tan
10-04-2006, 05:24 PM
Not unless someone else drops out and gives you their position.

Mum
10-05-2006, 10:02 PM
Ok, ok - I'm here!
I'll choose 41 please.

As I am not on-line a lot, the person who chooses to do my friend has my permission to ask Daniel (Loony_BoB) what I'm like... (Oh boy, THAT should be interesting!)
Alternatively, they can email me at work on judith.de'ath@apn.co.nz

OR

..just use their imagination!

Nominus Experse
10-05-2006, 10:05 PM
Ok, ok - I'm here!

Grrr...

I thought I had the closet padlocked...

BACK TO THE MACHINES!

tan
10-06-2006, 04:37 AM
They talked about the competition in the EoFF Post :D

http://eoffpost.akusui.net/readarticle.php?article_id=65

Anyway, here's the list of who's drawing who's imaginary friend so far:
Nominus Experse- ValkyrieWing
41-inches-wide- Zeromus-X
ValkyrieWing- Nominus Experse
Mum- 41-inches-wide
This means that Zeromus-X must do Phil and Phil must do Mum because Phil can't draw the one for himself (it's against the rules). However, these two people will be erased if they do not notify me in about two days' time that they are aware of this competition. I am doing this because if they aren't aware of it for a longer time, they'll have a shorter time to do it, therefore they'll most likely just drop out because they won't have enough time to finish it.

So, good luck, and I hope you're all working hard :D

EDIT: I have decided to give anyone who wants to compete a chance to. If you're not already competing in the competition (and haven't yet) then you may try out for it by sending me an entry of this challenge. However, you will be drawing your own imaginary friend. The deadline for anyone who does this is by next Wednesday.

Here's how things will work:

Either A- someone will drop out and then we will decide who gets that spot out of whoever turns in an entry

or

B- no one drops out, and then the scores from the people who want to join's entries will be mixed in with the original contestants', so only the top 5 will be accepted. This sounds confusing, I know, so here's an example of how it will work:

Say 5 people turn in entries to join in. The judges then review them and rate them. The scores are then averaged.
Person A- 7.5
Person B- 7
Person C- 6.5
Person D- 6
Person E- 5.5

Then, let's say the contestants now got these scores (this is just an example!):
ValkyrieWing- 9
Nominus Experse- 5
Mum- 9.5
41-inches-wide- 8.5
Zeromus-X- 7
Phil- 8

The people who tried out's scores will be mixed in with the contestant's scores.
1. Mum- 9.5
2. ValkyrieWing- 9
3. 41-inches-wide- 8.5
4. Phil- 8
5. Person A- 7.5
Thus after this point, anyone who got a lower score is eliminated, or in the case of the would-be contestants, not accepted
7. Person B- 7
7. Zeromus-X- 7
9. Person C- 6.5
10. Person D- 6
11. Person E- 5.5
12. Nominus Experse- 5

Again, this is just an example!

This raises the stakes for you contestants, because it means that if you do not do well, you may be replaced, even after going this far. So, anyone who would like to join, be sure to draw your own imaginary friend and send it into me by next Wednesday (the deadline is shorter because your assignment is easier than the other contestants).

A NOTE TO THOSE WHO WISH TO JOIN:

1. Be sure you have about a month's time to do this competition, it will most likely last that long if you stay in it to the end
2. Be sure you're not too busy with anything else, or you may just drop out, which would cause many problems

That's basically it! So, good luck everyone, and be sure to draw the judges something good :D

Zeromus_X
10-06-2006, 04:38 AM
Sorry I haven't checked it yet. :p Those machines are pretty tricky! xD

Anyway, I suppose I'll attempt Mum's imaginary friend. But I do have a question. Do we solely have to portray the person's imaginary friend only, or can we draw both people?

Edit: Nevermind. :p I'll have to Phil's then, it seems.

Agent Proto
10-06-2006, 04:40 AM
xD I like how you gave Nominus the lowest score. I know it's just an example! But I couldn't help noticing.

tan
10-06-2006, 04:44 AM
xD I like how you gave Nominus the lowest score. I know it's just an example! But I couldn't help noticing.

I asked him before I did it, but I just did it so I could show that the contestants now have to watch their backs by these upandcomers! All 6 of them might even be replaced xD Most likely not, though.

ValkyrieWing
10-06-2006, 07:59 AM
:D

Nominus Experse
10-06-2006, 08:47 AM
I got a 5 because I suck
Woo hoo!

tan, you better not have fortune telling powers or anything...


And WHAT ARE YOU DOING OUT OF THE CLOSET? BACK TO THE MACHINES!

Wine is good....

tan
10-07-2006, 08:46 PM
I decided to start an elimination chart because I had nothing better to do (xD). It shows who won, who got the highest scores, who had the lowest scores, who was erased, and who dropped out. It also says what the challenge was about and who judged it. It's still missing three rows because there are still 3 challenges left (which I will be filling in as we go along). If anything is inaccurate in the chart, please just inform me.

P.S. I have noticed a lot of interesting events around here that I've taken interest in, and I want some of you to take note in them because I think you'd be interested in them too.

FFX Character Costume Design Competition- This is a really interesting competition that is sort of like the 4th challenge we did, except with clothes for FFX. Please vote in this competition because I don't want people who worked really hard on their pieces to not be recognized for it just because people didn't vote. If they were still accepting contestants, I'd advertise you to join (if you had free time and liked drawing FFX characters and whatnot) but they're not :(

To The Moon!- I think many of you have seen this in the Artist's Forum, and I really want it to succeed. There's just one big problem: it needs 120 people to join in! Therefore, I know many of you have really good art, so why not put an imprint of your art by turning it into a block and submitting it? :D

*done with shameless advertising for other events =P*


P.S. I have decided to retire Phil since he has not been paying attention to this thread and did not turn in anything (or even notify me) last challenge. This means that the people who would like to join will be fighting for that open spot.

EDIT: One last thing: I finished the second challenge's video :D
http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/top_artist/?action=view&current=EoFFsTopArtist-Challenge2_0002.flv
I hope you guys like it!

EDIT (again =P): I have the first entry for a person who wants to be a contestant! :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v161/Omecle/LionFurryCompetition.jpg
(EDIT: They wanted to replace their old entry, because they did not like it. I hope none of you are angry that I'm letting him do this, but I've done it before with others of you in private, so I see no reason why he can't do it either. Plus, tomorrow is the due date, so he's not technically breaking any rules.)

I've decided that because Phil dropped out, it will now be up to the contestants to choose who they want to be filling in for this extra spot. It would've gone the long-winded way (where we judge all of them, and who ever is ranked below 5 is eliminated, etc.) but because a spot is open, we'll just do it like this. After the contestants choose who they want to take this spot, this person's entry will be judged with the rest of the contestants' entries for this challenge, and we will decide who's accepted and who's erased from there. This does have its flaws, however, because even if the person who gets chosen by the contestants gets the spot, they may end up getting eliminated anyway. So, meh. I believe the artists will choose who rightfully deserves the spot, rather than the weaker one, but one never knows o_O

Anyway, as I said before, the entries for those who wish to join are due Wednesday, and the entries must be a drawing of your own imaginary friend. So far, we only have one, so unless anyone else enters an entry for it, this person will be the new contestant.

ValkyrieWing
10-08-2006, 03:01 AM
I will have Nominus' done soon. :)

Mum
10-08-2006, 10:32 PM
no Phil...Sob...that means I don't get an imaginary friend! BOO HOO HOO HOO HOO HOO HOO!

tan
10-08-2006, 10:46 PM
I updated the Top Artist DeviantArt to the most recent challenge.

http://top-artist.deviantart.com/

Mum
10-10-2006, 05:13 AM
Ok - I have submitted my entry, an I'm sure that 41_inches_wide will love her imaginary friend!
Good luck everyone.

41-Inches-Wide
10-10-2006, 11:21 AM
Yes, mum is right I will love my imaginary friend! (even if I have no idea what it is)
and Zeromus's little friend will be done uhhhhhhh ..... soon

Zeromus_X
10-10-2006, 07:31 PM
So...who would I draw for now that Phil is gone? :confused: :cat:

tan
10-10-2006, 07:43 PM
Well, I guess you could do Mum, Zeromus-X, unless you've gotten really far in your entry of Phil's already. It's up to you.

EDIT: Because no one else turned in an entry to join, Omecle is our newest contestant. Congratulations. His piece will be judged with the rest of yours and whoever has the lowest score will be erased.

You all have two more days to finish this challenge, so I hope you finish it soon :D

EDIT (again): I finished the third challenge's video. The music doesn't fit very well, but meh.

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/top_artist/?action=view&current=Challenge3_0001.flv

ValkyrieWing
10-11-2006, 09:46 PM
Due FRIDAY, right?

tan
10-11-2006, 10:25 PM
Yes, the thirteenth.

EDIT: This is the last day and I'm expecting all entries in! There's about 10 more hours until it's 12 AM here, so that's how much time you have to turn them in!

I finished the fourth challenge's video, and I really like this one. I hope you like it!
http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m133/top_artist/?action=view&current=Challenge4Video.flv

41-Inches-Wide
10-14-2006, 01:09 AM
Submit! :3

Rocket Edge
10-14-2006, 01:50 AM
Glad to see this thing going strong..

ValkyrieWing
10-14-2006, 02:09 AM
Entry submitted. :P

tan
10-14-2006, 03:52 AM
This only leaves Nominus Experse to turn in his! Let's all stare at him until he submits his xD


Anyway, thank you guys for turning the entries in. I was worried that this would flop considering I had only 3 before I got the other 2 from ValkyrieWing and Zeromus_X.

1. Omecle- imaginary friend for self (he was a replacement)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%206/LionFurryCompetition.jpg
2. Mum- 41-inches-wide's imaginary friend
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%206/Best_Friend.jpg
3. 41-inches-wide- Zeromus_X's imaginary friend
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%206/d1coloredcheckfull.jpg
4. ValkyrieWing- Nominus Experse's imaginary friend
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%206/Chained.jpg
5. Zeromus_X- Mum's imaginary friend
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%206/mumimaginaryfriend-1.gif

I'll get the reviews and scores to you once they've been sent in!

Zeromus_X
10-14-2006, 03:57 AM
I just want to note that my scanner...'took off' some sections of my piece, so that's why there are awkward blank areas on the image. Sorry.

41-Inches-Wide
10-14-2006, 06:19 AM
DOGGIE! :3 <3 <3 <3
Eeeee~!

ValkyrieWing
10-14-2006, 07:17 AM
NOMINUS! WHERE ARE YOU??????????? T_T

tan
10-14-2006, 07:36 AM
I regret to inform all of you that Nominus Experse has pulled out of this contest due to various reasons. This means that there will be no elimination this challenge.

ValkyrieWing
10-14-2006, 07:45 AM
:(

I am sad.

Nominus Experse
10-14-2006, 08:02 AM
I am sorry to all of you - it was an enjoyable trip.

I have pulled out, regretably on the very day that this challenge is due, for various reasons, most notably of which is life and the lack of time life sometimes creates.

I work two jobs now, which means that I work at least 14 hours a day now. To juggle that and life, and the precious time I have with my girlfriend, I just can't create a competition worthy piece of artwork - it's too much.

I hope to appear as a judge at some point, seeing as I have taken classes in Art History, Critique, etc. Either that, or I will simply poke my head in hear and give my comments and/or critiques of the various entries.

Best of luck to all of you, and I again regret having to leave this competition.

Nominus Experse

ValkyrieWing
10-14-2006, 08:03 AM
You have good reasons, so I understand.

Best of luck to you, Nom. :)

tan
10-14-2006, 11:07 PM
Okay, I've got 3/4 of the reviews, and the last one should be submitted to me in a bit.

I'm a bit undecided on what next challenge should be, but I think I've got a general idea of what it'll be. The next challenge will involve fear.

41-Inches-Wide
10-15-2006, 02:13 AM
One contestant down, too sad for words...
All life's luck to you Nominus. :3

I just noticed my artwork is blurry, but the piece in my desktop isn't. Is it just me or what?

tan
10-15-2006, 06:26 AM
One contestant down, too sad for words...
All life's luck to you Nominus. :3

I just noticed my artwork is blurry, but the piece in my desktop isn't. Is it just me or what?

It's sort of blurry to me, but it looks exactly like the one you sent me o_o

EDIT: I've got the scores! I'll post the reviews then post who wins after I average the scores.

Before I post them, I'd like to introduce the judges:
I judged because I knew what I was looking for in the entries, and judging them would be fun :)
Psychotic, the very honorable CK
Rocket Edge, who has judged several times before
And lastly, our honorable guest judge, RSL, a very creative and respected man here at EoFF

1. Omecle
Mine- This piece is definitely better than the other piece you sent in. In all honesty, I really like this one. It has energy and it's very fresh. The colors and the style of drawing you used for this piece definitely made it stand out.
The creativity in this piece is not overwhelming, because it seems like you took your own self-image and turned it into an imaginary friend. However, this itself is sort of creative because as kids we sort of imagine ourselves up into interesting creatures and this is sort of your manifestation.
I really like how you gave this imaginary friend emotion and made him "the cool guy," because that gives insight to kind of how you are as a person and what your personality is. This whole piece has personality, which is definitely good.
Red is a primary color in this piece, and this definitely made it stand out. Execution is a big part in this challenge as well, and I believe you pulled this piece off very well. It's not a very professional sort of look, but that might've made it look too serious, so the style you used for it is perfect.
It's very human, just in this sort of creature-like state, and the tail it has sort of adds to the illusion of it being a creature, because if it didn't have that tail I'd probably just think it was a human with red fur or something.
The more I look at it, the more I like it, because it looks like nothing I've seen before and the overall style of it looks great.
As I said earlier, this piece is basically very fresh, the colors and how you did this piece was interesting, and it was my favorite from this challenge.
Psychotic- "Omecle- imaginary friend for self

There is a lot of creativity here. Omecle's imaginary friend appears to be comprised of a human, a lion, and possibly a fox (the tails remind me of the Pokemon Vulpix's)

From what I could tell, the friend's hands are to show different sides of Omecle's personality. The hand clenched in a fist to show that he can be strong, and the hand in the pocket to highlight his more casual side.

The colours and the outlines on this piece are bold, striking and eye-catching. What I'm not too sure about is the key-chain of the lion. I can't really tell what it signifies, and also the position it is in. It is flying out to the side, as if in motion, whereas the imaginary friend appears to be stationary. The plain white background is a bit too bright, and a paler colour would look better."
Rocket Edge- "Entry #1 - Omecle
The Bad: The linework could be cleaner, as it looks a bit scratchy..

The Good: The Pose, & the expression on the character's face is great. There's also originality about it that i like, which is the idea of it having no top on, and it sort of looks like a character that's made up out of the head.

Personal Comment: I like the idea of the chain on his trousers. Good work."
RSL- "It's a furry. That's kind of scary."

2. Mum
Mine-I'm sorry, Mum, but I'm going to be rather harsh in this review because a big part of this challenge was creativity.
Where do I begin? Well, first off, a dog is not creative. I think you somehow mixed up the conception of best friend and imaginary friend. This piece is bland. A dog is not an imaginary friend, and if 41-inches-wide wanted a dog, she wouldn't imagine it, she'd just go out and buy one.
Secondly, a dog doesn't tell much about a person's personality as much as an imaginary friend does, and each imaginary friend has their own personality to them that reflects on who imagined the imaginary friend. But a dog doesn't show anything about someone's personality. Anyone could have a dog and it wouldn't reflect on their personality.
Thirdly, this piece is honestly bland. It's like, I've seen a dog drawn millions of times, and this here is nothing original. As I said before, creativity was a big part in this challenge and you failed that part. I'm honestly underwhelmed with this piece.
However, the execution in this piece is excellent, and it was your only saving factor. If someone else drew just a dog and did it poorly, I would've given them a 1, honestly. We know you have a very professional style, but next challenge, try and break out of that style and do something creative and fun. Each week your piece is very serious and it would've been interesting if you had pulled off something that was a bit wacky because that is what we were looking for.
If you had mixed creativity with your level of skill as an artist, this piece would've been great, and I know your style is very classical, but we're looking for range in this competition, and you're sort of playing it really safe with this piece.
(I do not mean to hurt your feelings in this review, so please do not be upset.)
Psychotic- "Mum- 41-inches-wide's imaginary friend

An imaginary friend could be an extremely exotic and fantastic creature, although this one is just a scruffy little dog, which compared to the others is slightly lacking in creativity.

This image, to me, shows loyalty and friendliness. I imagine the dog to be looking up at its owner and with that one look is saying "I'll always be there." I can't claim to know 41-inches-wide extremely well, but I looked over some of her posts and she does seem to be a loyal person, so her personality is reflected well.

As for the presentation, the dog looks absolutely fantastic and I especially like its nose. The background is mellow, and does not draw attention away from the main focus of the piece."
Rocket Edge- "Entry #2 - Mum
The Bad: Nothing really..
The Good: It's obvious that it's an impressive drawing. The expression of innocence on the dog's face is great, and is really well captured. What is the best thing about this however is how you used the chalk in this piece.

Personal Comment: Brilliant use of white's, and i love the area around the eye in particular. Great piece."
RSL- "Very well done. That is such an adorable dog."

3. 41-inches-wide
Mine- Your entry is somewhat unfocused. It's nice to see the imaginary friend with Zeromus_X, but it's not really the main focus when it should be.
The imaginary friend you drew is very creative, and I liked the sort of cat theme you used for it, because (as we all know) Zeromus_X is a huge cat person (he does post cats in just about all of his posts).
Its hair is very nice and has this shine to it, and I like the color you gave to it.
My only (main) critique is that you didn't show enough of this imaginary friend, so it's hard to really judge it, and it would've been nice if it was shown a bit more.
Psychotic- "41-inches-wide- Zeromus_X's imaginary friend

I'm going to work on the assumption that the guy in this piece is Zeromus_X, and the creature resting on his head is the imaginary friend. What's interesting is that this one shows how Zeromus_X would interact with his imaginary friend, and it seems he carries it around like a pet, which goes well with the cat-like nature.

From what I know of Zeromus_X, he really likes cats, and the cat-like White Mage costumes of Krile in FFV, and this friend certainly does just that. The picture seems to have a calm and playful feel to it, and I think that reflects Zeromus_X well.

I can assume that the idea behind this was to create a cat-like creature in an anime-style, and 41-inches-wide has certainly achieved her aim. However, the task was to draw an imaginary friend, and the imaginary friend is not the main focus of the piece, and only takes up roughly a sixteenth of the picture. Also, I'm not entirely sure what the pouch that the friend is holding is supposed to represent."
Rocket Edge- "Entry #3 - 41-inches-wide
The Bad: The jumper and shoulder area could use more work. There also seems to be something missing from this piece, like a lack of action or activity (maybe because it's only a head shot)..

The Good: The simple approach, the idea of the kitten on top, and the eyes were drawn very nicely.

Personal comment: The simple approach is good stuff, and it work's well."
RSL-"I like this picture."

4. ValkyrieWing
Mine- This is one of your best pieces so far, ValkyrieWing. There's a great amount of detail in cloth she's sitting on, and her outfit is very well detailed, and just about everything is detailed, much more than normally (which is a good thing :D).
When I see this imaginary friend, I believe it would fit well with Nominus's personality because he told me he treasures women, and a woman is sort of perfect for this. It's sexy, it's mysterious, and it looks like something that would come from such a mind as Nominus's.
Her outfit is something I like more and more when I look at it because the sort of pattern on it looks great.
Again, you chose the right colors and everything works in this piece, and you put a lot of thought into it, so you really exceeded this challenge.
As always, there is bad that goes with good, and I think the only really bad thing here is the leg that is below the top leg looks sort of like it's growing out of that part, which is a bit odd, so that leg's kneecap should've been drawn a bit behind the other leg so as to show where it's coming from, but that might've made it look a bit unnatural, so it's not that bad.
Psychotic- "ValkyrieWing- Nominus Experse's imaginary friend

I think the winged devil in chains theme is something of a cliché these days and I don't think this piece adds anything new or different to that.

This imaginary friend is dark, brooding and gothic, and that's exactly how Nominus Experse comes across to me. What really sets the mood is the background. The grey wall and the crimson fabric make me imagine that this is set in an exquisite gothic castle.

The execution of this idea is very good. I particularly like how her outfit matches her wings, like it too is a part of it. The colour scheme of crimson and black is used to great effect, especially because it makes her blue eyes stand out, giving her a piercing stare. The only thing I can fault is her right leg underneath the knee and above the boot, because it looks swollen."
Rocket Edge- "Entry #4 - ValkyrieWing
The Bad: The legs seem a little off..

The Good: Alot of things about this piece work, the brilliant burst of colour, the expression of stillness & beauty of the figure, and the eyes that glare at you. But what really makes this drawing great is that you obviously researched Nominus Experse's character to produce the drawing you did.

Personal Comment: Cool work, and you have a great imagination."
RSL- "This is a very interesting picture. I like the colors"

5. Zeromus_X
Mine- Your style is doing watercolor, and I understand that, but really light colors don't really suit this imaginary friend and maybe if you had used darker colors it would've looked better.
I do like your idea in this piece, but since none of us particularly know Mum that well, it's hard to judge whether this would really be her imaginary friend. I think warrior imaginary friends are for sort of damsels in distress, and I guess Mum can be qualified as that.
There are some anatomy problems in this piece and one part I find particulary troubling is the sort of skirt he's wearing, because the he looks 3-dimensional, but that skirt looks very flat and unbelieving.
More colors would've been definitely nice, and I think that you were heading in that right place with this one, but in some ways, the execution sort of falls short.
The background is also a distraction, and those colors don't really add to the piece, so if you would've left it blank, it might've looked dry in a sense, so I guess those colors are a good idea because they sort of fit in with this piece, but they really shouldn't be there. Maybe a realy background would've worked better.
Psychotic- "Zeromus_X- Mum's imaginary friend

I think this image is creative. The imaginary friend seems to be a knight, who would not look out of place in a medieval setting, or indeed in some of the Final Fantasy games. He does remind me a lot of Cyan from FFVI.

The knight automatically invokes a feeling of strength, especially because his eyes are focused on his spear. However, there is also a carefree element to him, as seen by both his ponytail and the ribbon on his spear blowing in the wind. Another thing I noticed is that the colour of his armour is relatively light, whereas you might expect a knight in combat to have darker and angrier colours, which suggests that he is good. From what I've seen of her, Mum does indeed seem to be a strong, carefree and good person, so Zeromus_X has captured her well.

I like the background of this piece. It really invokes a feeling of fantasy, and the knight could be walking right out of Mum's imagination. However, I'm not too sure about the angle of his spear holding arm. Spears are obviously heavy, and I don't know if you've tried to carry something heavy with your arm out like that, but it is not easy. Also, I'm not entirely sure that his torso should be facing in that direction, as it is away from where his head, legs and arms are facing."
Rocket Edge- "Entry #5 - Zeromus_X
The Bad: Anatomy problems. Lack of depth to the piece, the colours could have been stronger & sharper in places to bring it more to life. The colours in alot of places look out of place.

The Good: The idea is a good one, it shows you used your imagination, and the idea of using watercolours is differant and nice to see.

Personal Comment: I like the idea of using watercolours as your chosen media, and there's something about his expression that i like.."
RSL- "This is a neat picture. A little too much red maybe."

I'll be back with the scores and announce who the winner is soon!

EDIT: ANNOUNCEMENT
I have decided that because next challenge is rather boring and should be skipped, I'm going to eliminate one more person this challenge, meaning that there will be a double elimination. I know I said earlier that there would be no elimination, but because some of you have become so confident in simply passing to the next challenge because someone drops out, this will shake you up a bit. The next challenge will be the second-to-last challenge in which 4 of you will vie for the top 3 spots, and the final challenge involves 3 of you and requires you to draw 6 pieces to represent your overall style, but I'll talk more about that when we get there.

So, when I announce the scores, one of you will be the winner, and one of you will erased.

Rostum
10-15-2006, 06:30 AM
It's a shame Nominus Experse had to leave, he's extremely good! =(

tan
10-15-2006, 06:53 AM
As you know in the artistic world, one day you're accepted, and the next day, you're erased (that never gets any less cheesy, does it? xD).

Omecle, you did a very good job and your piece was very imaginative and fresh.
Mum, even though I personally thought your piece was not creative enough, you still did a very good job in executing it, as always.
41-inches-wide, your piece was definitely imaginative, but the judges wanted to see more of it. Your imaginary friend should've been the centerpiece of your entry; not Zeromus_X.
ValkryieWing, your piece was very well-executed and the colors you chose were great.
Zeromus_X, your entry had thought, but execution-wise, it fell a bit short.

Omecle, you're accepted. Congratulations on making it to the final four.

And now for the winner of this challenge.

ValkrieWing, congratulations, you're the winner of this challenge. You did a good job in both the thought process of your piece and the execution of it. Congratulations for making it to the final four. Unfortuately, you will not be given immunity, because that would automatically make you a part of the final three, and the next challenge is big, so immunity will not be given. Your piece will however be featured in the Top Artist Deviant Art profile.

Mum, 41-inches-wide, and Zeromus_X, one of you will be erased.

...
*dramatic music*

Mum, you're accepted. However, the judges want to see more creativity out of you, no matter how well you execute a piece. Remember that for the next challenge. Congratulations on making it to the final four.

...

41-inches-wide, as said earlier, you did not show the judges enough of your imaginary friend. It was a very nice idea, but not making it the main focus of your piece was your downfall.

Zeromus_X, your piece was heading in the right track, but execution-wise, it was not on par with the rest of the contestants' pieces.

...

Zeromus_X, you're erased. Congratulations on making it this far.

This means that 41-inches-wide, you're accepted. Congratulations on making it to the final four.

Ratings
1. ValkyrieWing- 8.25
2. Mum- 8
3. Omecle- 7.875
4. 41-inches-wide- 7.25
5. Zeromus_X- 6.25

There are now only 4 of you left. Next challenge will decide which 3 of you will be vying for the winning position of Top Artist. I'll post the rules and guidelines for the next challenge soon.

ValkyrieWing
10-15-2006, 06:54 AM
8O

Oh....thank you very much!!

This one's for you, Nominus! XD

Rostum
10-15-2006, 07:12 AM
Well that's cool, I feel a bit bad that I just jumped in at the last minute there. But it'll be fun to see the next challenge!

41-Inches-Wide
10-15-2006, 07:21 AM
Yay for all of us! :3

Zeromus_X
10-15-2006, 07:31 AM
I'm surprised I even made it that far. xD

Good luck to the rest of you. :) :cat:

tan
10-15-2006, 07:46 AM
I know I said I'd post this tomorrow, but I'm so excited for this challenge I'm posting it now.

Challenge 7: Cater to the public

This penultimate challenge will have the 4 of you pairing off into teams, and each team will be taking requests from people who want pictures to be drawn for them. These people will be wanting a specific drawing of what they’ve asked for. You will have to do 6 (3 each) of these requests. If there are too many requests, then you make pick and choose which ones you want to do. If there are not enough, I’ll just ask you random ones. The requirements for each of the requests must be added in the request itself.

For those of you wishing to request pictures:
If you wish to add a request yourself, please follow these guidelines:
-Your request must be specific (so no “draw me a thing” or “draw me a Naruto character”)
-Your request cannot be too hard for the team doing the picture. If you think that your request may be too difficult, PM me and I’ll decide on whether you may submit it. If I decide your request is too hard, I will tell the artists that they do not have to do your desired picture if they feel they will not have enough time to finish it.
-You must tell who you want drawing the picture. You may not direct a request to more than one team
-If there are already 3 requests, you may still ask for a picture to be drawn because it may still be picked
-Do not request for a picture that has already been done by an artist
-1 request per person, please
-The request must be simple, so this means you may not ask for anything too hard
-Anyone may submit requests except the permanent judges and the current contesants. Any former contestants are encouraged to request.
-Specify guidelines for your request and things you will be guest judging on
-No crude or obscene requests will be accepted
-If you do a request, you must guest judge (only the picture you asked for, though) for this challenge.

As to who will be on each team: ValkryieWing, last challenge's winner, will choose who she wants her teammate to be. Whoever is left will be paired up.

Some notes for being a team:
-Be sure to communicate so the 6 requests you do together look coherent. Get your partner's e-mail address or IM address so you two can talk about the challenge
-Your teammate is there to help you, so ask them for help if you're stuck
-Be sure one person is not doing more work than the other (even though each of you must do each, one person in the partnership may be telling the other what to do for each picture exactly the way they want it, which is how it shouldn't be).

The winning team in this challenge will have both teammates moving on to the final 3, and the losing team will have one person erased. The losing team will be interviewed to see which person should be erased.

I will be giving you 25 days for this challenge, but to be sure none of you procrastinate until the very last day, I will be asking for one entry each week or so, meaning that there'll be 25 days to do these 3, but each one will have a different due date.

There is no official deadline right now, but once the requests are taken, I will set it.

So, to start this off, we will have ValkryieWing choosing who she wants as a partner, then we will be taking requests.

EDIT: Oh, yes, I forgot. For each team, when they take the 6 requests, each partner can choose whichever 3 requests they want to do, so long as their partner agrees to the 3 requests they want to do.

EDIT (again): I also forgot that after the teams are chosen, each team must make up a name so when the people request, they will say the team name they want to do the request.

ValkyrieWing
10-15-2006, 08:02 AM
O_O

Oh, this is gonna be HARD....

I would like to work with 41-inches-wide, if at all possible. :)

tan
10-15-2006, 08:12 AM
O_O

Oh, this is gonna be HARD....

I would like to work with 41-inches-wide, if at all possible. :)

This means that Omecle and Mum are now a team.

We will be taking requests from now until the 21st of October, so if you want a picture done, request it from one of the teams.

P.S. Teams, be sure to name yourselves :)

EDIT: Updated the elimination chart.

41-Inches-Wide
10-15-2006, 09:24 AM
Thank you so much Valkyriewing. Hope I can adjust to the 16-hour difference between your timezone and mine. :3
Wow, that's a lot of requests, all the more reason to ditch my crappy sketchpad! *buys a new one*

Goodluck to all of us.

Mum
10-15-2006, 09:14 PM
Oh wow! What a challenge!

Firstly, I would like to thank ZX for the knight in shining armour that he sent to my emotional rescue - big strong arms, dark hair, dark eyes - mmm - sigh. It has been a pleasure working alongside you.

Secondly, yes, I admit that I have little imagination and my creativity is somewhat limited to good execution of a piece. However, I knew that 41 would love her imaginary friend!
Also remember that I have never played any computer games, especially FF or the like (I was quite good at space invaders when I was younger...?) so my pieces are not in the fantasy realm.

Lastly, I thought VW's was excellent - well executed (as always), very imaginative and extremely apt for Nom, so a triple whammy to clinch the deal! Congratulations and well done!

I now look forward to receiving special requests and working alongside Omecle. I love not knowing what I'm going to be drawing!

tan
10-15-2006, 10:37 PM
Well, I'll lead the way, and give the first request.

Mum's team: Draw me! :D There's a picture attached, and I want to be drawn with some kind of suit. I would like my whole body to be in the picture, looking straight ahead (with my body also facing straight ahead).

ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide: 0 requests
Mum and Omecle: 1 request (tan)
I will update this as we go along.

Lionx
10-16-2006, 12:56 AM
A Cat on a piano! for Omecle and Mum's team X3 gogogogo!

tan
10-16-2006, 01:17 AM
OK then.
ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide: 0 requests
Mum and Omecle: 2 requests (tan, Lionx)

Mum
10-16-2006, 01:22 AM
Tan, your pic is just not clear enough - got any more with a bit more light on the subject? I mean, you do want a good pic, don't you?

ValkyrieWing
10-16-2006, 02:05 AM
What...no requests for us yet...? We are unloved. :(

Mum
10-16-2006, 03:18 AM
VW - Please draw Daniel (Loony-Bob) rowing a dinghy (rowboat) labourously round the globe back to NZ, with S/Kitten looking forlorn on the shores of the UK and all his friends waving him goodbye!

BTW - our team's name is Dionysus

tan
10-16-2006, 03:27 AM
Tan, your pic is just not clear enough - got any more with a bit more light on the subject? I mean, you do want a good pic, don't you?
It's simply a picture of me, facing forward, white background, with some sort of formal suit on, I guess.


VW - Please draw Daniel (Loony-Bob) rowing a dinghy (rowboat) labourously round the globe back to NZ, with S/Kitten looking forlorn on the shores of the UK and all his friends waving him goodbye!
I don't know if you were being serious in this, but you guys can't request pictures from each other. Sorry.

ValkyrieWing
10-16-2006, 07:50 AM
...

No takers? This BITES.

Resha
10-16-2006, 11:13 AM
...

No takers? This BITES.

Would you draw me Bob Dylan, please? I mean -- it doesn't have to be realistic or anything. By all means, make it abstract. :) Just -- Bob Dylan!

tan
10-16-2006, 11:39 AM
Oh huzzah.

ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide- 1 request (Resha)
Dionysus- 2 requests (tan, Lionx)

Shauna
10-16-2006, 11:49 AM
Okay. xD

For ValkyrieWing's group, a picture of Emma (Spiffing Cheese) and I together.

http://www.eyesonff.com/members/album/15366/shauna2
http://www.eyesonff.com/members/album/14590/spiffingcheese2

For reference, I guess. Oh, Emma's the one with the glasses in the second pic, if you didn't know! :D

tan
10-16-2006, 12:03 PM
ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide- 2 requests (Resha, Shauna)
Mum and Omecle- 2 requests (tan, Lionx)

We're 1/3 of the way there :)

41-Inches-Wide
10-16-2006, 12:46 PM
*takes note*

DK
10-16-2006, 01:27 PM
OH OH I want to have a picture drawn by Aicha. :D Can you draw me a...true Filipino kanto-boy!

Please? :D? To 41-inches-wide and VW. :D

tan
10-16-2006, 02:58 PM
OH OH I want to have a picture drawn by Aicha. :D Can you draw me a...true Filipino kanto-boy!

Please? :D? To 41-inches-wide and VW. :D

Well, I don't know what that is, but it's still a request xD

ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide- 3 requests (Resha, Shauna, DK)
Dionysus- 2 requests (tan, Lionx)

Mum
10-17-2006, 03:10 AM
[/QUOTE]It's simply a picture of me, facing forward, white background, with some sort of formal suit on, I guess.[/QUOTE]

Argh - I did it before I saw the 'white background' part! Hope its ok.
As I work in pastels (chalks that are about 8mm thick) and you wanted a full length pic, I couldn't get much detail. So its not my best work, but the best I could manage given the size and detail. Still, I have 2 more shots to redeem myself!

tan
10-17-2006, 03:37 AM
Uh, I forgot to tell you guys... You weren't supposed to start. Mum sent me her first entry, but please don't get angry at her for getting a jump start on the competition, I merely forgot to tell you guys something. For those of you already starting/finishing up on these first entries, it's fine, but I just don't want any uproar about someone doing better because the other person had more time or something.

Right now all you guys have to do is wait for more requests to come in, and most likely on Wednesday, if we don't have enough requests, I'll just set some random ones for you guys.

So, until we get all the requests, the entries aren't due (which is why I haven't set deadlines yet), so you can start if you want, though it's not necessary, but you don't need to turn anything in until I set the deadlines. Mum is therefore ahead of you, but this was just a misunderstanding by me, so don't riot please =P

We'll just wait a couple days for the requests to come in then this challenge will begin.

Reles
10-17-2006, 04:18 AM
I have an idea for Mum or Omecle.

I would like a portrait of my favorite actress Alexis Bledel.

http://felicia-online.com/Gilmore_Girls/Rory91.jpg

Obviously it shouldn't be drawn solely as a portrait, add some creativity in it to make it somewhat unique. Though it'd be nice if you could work with the dark colors of the images, just be...creative or something!

tan
10-17-2006, 04:29 AM
ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide- 3 requests (Resha, Shauna, DK)
Dionysus- 2 requests (Lionx, Reles); 1 request finished (tan)

fire_of_avalon
10-17-2006, 04:30 AM
I would like to see a landscape, the dimensions can be anything you're comfortable working with. I want equal parts earth, water and vegetation, and absolutely no human life at all reflected in the picture. The geography can be arid, desert, mountainous, rainforest, tundra, anything you with, as long as earth, water and vegetation are all accurately represented. I don't want to see a river flowing through a desert or the ocean next to the rainforest.

The time of day is also up to the artist. The thing I want to see the most is the evocation of feeling. If you want the landscape to seem lonely, I want to feel lonely when I look at it. If you want it to seem cozy and homey, I want to feel like I'm at home. You may use any technique, medium and color palette you wish. I'm making this request of both teams. I think tan said I could do that. If I'm wrong, please let me know xD

EDIT: Apparently I already goofed. I can only select one team! I select Mum and Omecle for my landscape.

tan
10-17-2006, 04:38 AM
ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide- 3 requests (Resha, Shauna, DK)
Dionysus- 3 requests (Lionx, Reles, fire_of_avalon), 1 request complete (tan)

We only need 5 more :)

Jowy
10-17-2006, 04:52 AM
ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide.

I would like to see a small sailboat sailing on a lake, with a sunset in the background. I'd like the area around the lake to have a wintry setting. Color palette and technique are up to them. I'd like emphasis to not be on the boat specifically, but on the enviornment surrounding it.

tan
10-17-2006, 04:56 AM
:D!

ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide- 4 requests (Resha, Shauna, DK, Jowy)
Dionysus- 3 requests (Lionx, Reles, fire_of_avalon), 1 request complete (tan)

nik0tine
10-17-2006, 06:27 AM
Dionysus

I'd like you to draw a picture to accompany this poem. (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=90223) Please ignore the title of this poem. I want all three of the major stanzas to have equal weight in the drawing. Other than that, have fun.

Setzer the Gambler
10-17-2006, 04:49 PM
I sholud try this, it would be nice as an exercise.

tan
10-17-2006, 09:52 PM
I sholud try this, it would be nice as an exercise.

Sorry, you can't be a contestant. This competition has been running for about two months now, and we were looking for contestants last challenge to replace someone who dropped out o_o

ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide- 4 requests (Resha, Shauna, DK, Jowy)
Dionysus- 3 requests (Reles, fire_of_avalon, nik0tine), 2 request complete (tan, Lionx)

EDIT: Omecle finished one of his pieces, but from now on, he and his partner decided to start their other pictures when I give the deadline. This means ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide, you can start on your pieces if you'd like, but just you first piece (each).

ValkyrieWing
10-18-2006, 06:11 AM
I haven't even been able to contact 41 recently.

Kitsune No'Kage
10-19-2006, 05:50 AM
Been a sleeper on these boards for a long time, always reading but never really posting.

My request is very abstract, something that will take the form of a person, possibly a fantasy setting. A single person who can represent the struggle between the light and the darkness inside us all.

There are many different ways to do this picture, many different styles and many different concepts. All I want to see is a single person in some sort of setting that can show the struggle between good and evil.

Enjoy. :tonberry:

ValkyrieWing
10-19-2006, 05:57 AM
Ok:

Since I haven't heard anything from 41 for the past few days, I would like to lay claim on my share of the drawings.

Id like to do Jowy's, Reisha's, and Kitsune no Kage's.

41-Inches-Wide
10-19-2006, 08:36 AM
I'm so sorry VW.
I'm here I'm here yay!

Ok I'm going to draw Kyono's request.

tan
10-20-2006, 10:56 PM
ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide- 5 requests (Resha, Shauna, DK, Jowy, Kitsuno No'Kage)
Dionysus- 3 requests (Reles, fire_of_avalon, nik0tine), 2 requests complete (tan, Lionx)

ANNOUNCEMENT: I've decided that because no requests are coming in anymore, and because I wanted the whole "team" aspect to be a little more apparent, I have decided that now each contestant will have two draw 2 entries each, and 1 entry together. It doesn't matter which ones they do alone and which ones they do together, just as long as they do it. Be sure to notify which ones were done alone and which one was done together.

ValkryieWing and 41-inches-wide
1st Piece Deadline- 10/27
2nd Piece Deadline- 11/5
3rd Piece (done as a team) Deadline- 11/8

Because Omecle and Mum have already done the first piece each, their deadlines will be a week before the other team's.

Dionysus
2nd Piece Deadline- 10/27
3rd Piece (done as a team) Deadline- 11/1

I know the third piece's deadline doesn't give that much time to do that piece, but since it's a team piece, it shouldn't take that much time (hopefully).

black orb
10-21-2006, 12:17 AM
>>> Work together with another artist looks like fun..

Its a shame Im not part of this..

41-Inches-Wide
10-21-2006, 12:50 AM
I'm going to do requests from DK and Shauna. :D

EDIT: By the way, it's team Imagine

DK
10-21-2006, 01:11 AM
Draw yourself in the picture too as a kanto-girl please, Aicha. :D

Rostum
10-21-2006, 03:22 AM
I thought all our work was meant for us to work together, but ok. o.o;

Still looking for a request though. ^^;

tan
10-22-2006, 12:22 AM
Still looking for a request though. ^^;

No, there will only be 5 entries per team, not 6. Therefore, we are not taking requests anymore.

Rostum
10-22-2006, 01:03 AM
Okay, well I'm still unable to contact Mum (been a few days)... And to be honest, it's going to be rather hard to work together on one piece over the internet, other than just giving advice. =\

ValkyrieWing
10-25-2006, 03:41 AM
OK!

We just got DSL, and I've worked the entire week. Hopefully, i will have my first submission done by Friday....

Mum
10-27-2006, 12:09 AM
I've sent in my landscape for Fire of Avalon.
The feeling I attempted to evoke was that of solitude, space and peace.
Unfortunately it it was too big to scan so I took a digital photograph of it and its turned out a bit blurry. Theres more detail and subtle layers of colours than can be seen in the actual painting, but I hope its ok, FoA.
Cheers.

Now, on with the other one so I can send it to Omecle in time!

41-Inches-Wide
10-27-2006, 11:46 AM
Pass.

Rostum
10-27-2006, 01:12 PM
Pass?

ValkyrieWing
10-27-2006, 05:16 PM
Reisha's has been submitted. :D

On to Kitsune's....

41-Inches-Wide
10-28-2006, 12:49 AM
Err, I meant submitted too... :3

tan
10-29-2006, 03:50 PM
Imagine: 3 requests (Shauna, Jowy, Kitsune No'Kage), 2 finished (Resha, DK)
Dionysus: Finished 5 entries- Reles: team piece, fire_of_avalon: Mum, nik0tine: Omecle, tan: Mum, Lionx: Omecle)

For those who requested pictures from Dionysus (Mum and Omecle) please PM me and I will show them to you. Until the other team is done with their pieces, I will not show them to anyone besides those who requested.

EDIT: The new deadline for Imagine is November 8th, because 41-inches-wide has to go to a 3-day seminar thing. I will also be gone, from November 5th-8th, without computer access, so if you guys PM me and I don't respond, I'm not ignoring you, I'm simply gone =P

It's definitely great to see the entries turned in so far, and I think it's apparent that it'll be hard to choose the top 3 to go on the EoFF's Art Week (the week in which you show your final collection).

41-Inches-Wide
11-05-2006, 04:21 AM
Thank you for being so considerate, Tan.
See you on the 8th everybody.

ValkyrieWing
11-06-2006, 03:41 AM
One more to go! LOL

I've finished the submission for Kitsune no Kage. :)

tan
11-08-2006, 10:05 PM
Hello everyone! I'm back :D I've received all of the entries that are due so far, and there's only one left for Inspiration to turn in.

Imagine: 1 request (Jowy), 4 finished (Resha, DK, Shauna, Kitsune No'Kage)
Dionysus: Finished 5 entries- Reles: team piece, fire_of_avalon: Mum, nik0tine: Omecle, tan: Mum, Lionx: Omecle

Again, if any of you requested a picture and I have mentioned it as finished, then you may PM me to see it and guest judge it.

41-Inches-Wide
11-09-2006, 09:45 AM
Oh. I thought we were team Imagine. Well, okay. Valkyriewing has given me the piece to finish.

tan
11-09-2006, 08:28 PM
Oh. I thought we were team Imagine.

Oops, sorry! xD

*fixes*

ValkyrieWing
11-10-2006, 11:51 PM
:D
Hopefully, we'll have our last one done soon. :)

Rostum
11-11-2006, 12:03 AM
So, we don't have to go by deadlines?

ValkyrieWing
11-11-2006, 01:38 AM
41 and I live more than 16 hours apart, and during the course of this particular challenge, we've both had something screw up our timing. Tan gave us a tiny bit of leeway.

tan
11-11-2006, 04:05 AM
So, we don't have to go by deadlines?

I know it may seem unfair to give people extra time, but I'd rather give them a bit of extra time and get an entry than just eliminating them. Both of them are very busy, and if you and Mum asked to have an extension, I would've given it to you. The deadlines are not cut-off deadlines, so I don't eliminate anyone for turning it in late. Of course, this makes deadlines sort of pointless if I'm not going to follow them, but, anyone who needs an extension is given one under certain circumstances. It being late also comes into factor when judging, considering if someone turns in an entry late and it's sort of bad, then it counts against them. For Team Imagine, the tardiness of the piece may or may not come into factor; it just depends.

I will not give them anymore of an extension. In fact, the cut-off deadline for their last piece is tomorrow, November 11th. I know both of you are busy, 41-inches-wide and ValkyrieWing, but I've given you two enough time. Sorry to be harsh :(

41-Inches-Wide
11-11-2006, 04:14 AM
Yes, yes of course! :3
I have already sent the piece to Valkyriewing for the final tweaking of the final reqest by Jowy. She'll turn it in tomorrow.

Sorry for the delay and everything.

ValkyrieWing
11-11-2006, 07:47 AM
Already sent it in. :D

tan
11-11-2006, 08:08 AM
That's all of the entries, so, now, I can display them :)

Team Dionysus: Omecle and Mum
Omecle #1
Request from: Lionx
Request: Draw a cat on a piano
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/CatonPiano.jpg

Omecle #2
Request from: nik0tine
Request: Draw a picture based off his poem, The Dancer
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/TheDancers.jpg

Mum #1
Request from: me! :D
Request: Draw me in a suit
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/TanBond.jpg

Mum #2
Request from: foa
Request: Draw a landscape
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/Space_Peace__Solitude.jpg

Mum and Omecle (#3 piece for both)
Request from: Reles
Request: Draw Alexis Bledel
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/AlexisBledel.jpg

Team Imagine: 41-inches-wide and ValkyrieWing

41-inches-wide #1
Request from: DK
Request: Draw a "kanto" boy and a "kanto" girl
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/Kanto_Girl__Kanto_Boy__by_aicha_-1.jpg

41-inches-wide #2
Request from: Shauna
Request: Draw Shauna and her friend, Emma (a.k.a. Spiffing Cheese) using pictures she provided
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/Of_Sodas_and_Sleepovers_by_aicha_am.jpg

ValkyrieWing #1
Request from: Resha
Request: Draw Bob Dylan
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/bob3.jpg

ValkyrieWing #2
Request from: Kitsune No'Kage
Request: Draw a picture that symbolizes the light and dark within us all
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/strugle3.jpg

41-inches-wide and ValkyrieWing (#3 piece for both)
Request from: Jowy
Request: Draw a landscape that is sort of centered around a sailboat, or a landscape where a sailboat would reside
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/thomas23skidoo/Top%20Artist/Challenge%207/VALKYRIEWING1.jpg

I am extremely proud that all of the entries have been turned in, and as soon as I get all the guest judges' reviews and scores, I'll post them, and we'll see who deserves to move on to the final 3!

ValkyrieWing
11-11-2006, 05:48 PM
41 and I are toast.....LOL

Rostum
11-12-2006, 04:20 AM
ValkyrieWing, yours are amazing! Bob Dylan one is so damn good.

ValkyrieWing
11-12-2006, 04:32 AM
ValkyrieWing, yours are amazing! Bob Dylan one is so damn good.

you think? ....thank you. :)

I love the landscape. :) and the cat is awesome.

tan
11-12-2006, 05:44 AM
Well, I have all of the reviews except two: Resha's and Jowy's, and Jowy is going to turn his in. I don't know where or why Resha hasn't turned hers in yet, considering she read the PM I sent to her about it (I check PM receipts =P).

nik0tine
11-12-2006, 06:04 AM
I think Mum deserves a thank you for my drawing. It's incredibly brilliant. I couldn't have imagined anything that good, and I have a pretty vivid imagination.

tan
11-12-2006, 06:12 AM
I think Mum deserves a thank you for my drawing. It's incredibly brilliant. I couldn't have imagined anything that good, and I have a pretty vivid imagination.

Uh, actually, that was Omecle xD

ValkyrieWing
11-12-2006, 06:19 AM
T____T

tan
11-12-2006, 06:28 AM
I already have one team's final scores, and by the looks of it, anyone can be erased :O

ValkyrieWing
11-12-2006, 06:31 AM
one person on the team? or both people?

tan
11-12-2006, 05:24 PM
one person on the team? or both people?

Just one person. The whole team aspect comes in to play, though, with the winning team. I average the two averaged scores of one team, and whoever has the highest team average wins, and both of the people from that team move on. The losing team with the lower average has one person eliminated. This is why the whole team aspect is important- if your partner doesn't do well, it'll drag the team's average down. I just need one more review and we're done :)

ValkyrieWing
11-12-2006, 06:11 PM
Well, then, i'd like to apologise to my teammate. I'm really sorry...things during the course of this competition made it so that I was really unable to spend as much time on this as I would have liked to. I hope that, if we lose because of this, that you can forgive me for my mistakes.

Mum and Omocle did an incredible job. Wonderful work, and there's really no doubt in my mind you two are going to win. :)

Mum
11-12-2006, 08:47 PM
Mum and Omocle did an incredible job. Wonderful work, and there's really no doubt in my mind you two are going to win. :)

Thank you for your kind words, but I think you are an incredible artist and have loads of talent. There is no way you are not going to be in the final and you deserve to be there. I feel it all depends on the subject matter for the final drawing - there are some areas I just fall down on where you excel. Hey, I may not get into the final - but I've enjoyed the ride and its got me back into painting again which I hadn't done for 3 years.

Best of luck everyone, and yes I agree that the works submitted were of a good standard. Well done everyone! We can all give ourselves a great big pat on the back, and Tan too for thinking up these inspiring challenges and then proceeding to "herd cats".

DK
11-12-2006, 09:01 PM
All of those pictures are awesome, but the picture of the Dancer is stunning.

black orb
11-13-2006, 12:00 AM
>>> Wow, no wonder you guys make it so far in this contest..
great pics..

Rostum
11-13-2006, 12:28 AM
All the best of luck to everyone. I can feel I won't pass through, but that's really okay, because it's been cool to create these things I normally wouldn't have a go at. The water colour of the dancer was by far the hardest thing I've ever accomplished, and I'm greatful for completing it!

Black Orb, if you were in this, you'd just own us all up and win the damn thing at challenge 1. XD

tan
11-13-2006, 03:37 AM
Well, Jowy's taking too long (or I'm just very impatient) so I've decided to write the review for their (ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide) pic. I'll post his review when I get it, but I won't include the score he gave. I'm sure they'll be about the same anyway -_-

First off, there's a twist (xD). Instead of getting 3 main judges to review each of your works, I treated the guest judges for your three pieces as your main judges. This means that instead of 12 reviews for each person, there are only 6. I did this because I believe that when a person requests a picture from an artist, the real main goal is to please them, and it doesn't really matter how other people review their picture. The reason why the extra guest judge is to be sure people didn't request a picture from one team and give them a good score just because they like the person who drew it, so I asked a friend of mine (who you may know) to guest judge (he reviewed each very harshly, mind you).

Oh, and for the pieces you both worked on, both of you get both scores factored into your averages.

Let me introduce the judges:
There were all the people who requested pictures (obviously)
And, most importantly, the harshest judge I have seen so far,
Dignified Pauper, the wittiest member to grace their prescence at our forums to date. He's banned, too :o

So, here's the reviews:

Team Imagine: 41-inches-wide and ValkyrieWing

41-inches-wide #1

DK:

"I was already expecting suave things from Aicha, and her picture definitely exceeded my expecations, I love it so much.
It's totally awesome."

DP:

"We have some interesting visuals here. A pair of adolescents sitting outside a building. Anime inspired character faces with interesting coloring aspects throughout, as well as some idle characters throughout. However, I'm left wondering, what does the art suggest. We see some American influences of coke and the WcDonalds.
Yes, W, interesting, an upside down M. Overall, the art is decent, however, amateur at best."

41-inches-wide #2

Emma (Shauna appears to be gone, and hasn't been on in awhile, so I got her friend, Emma, who is also in the pic, to write one, albeit a very short one xD):

"I liked it."

DP:

"Another anime inspired artwork. Two girls in a bed, and if it weren't art, I'd say it's slightly lesbian, but in the same sense, sleepovers are just what girls do.
I remember many a sleepover I have had with girls who loved the idea of having a gay man stay in their place, but that was all in college. Either way, I know this suggests nothing of a lesbian overtone, my mind just wanders. The coloring and illustrations are well done."

ValkyrieWing #1

Resha:

"I like the style of picture and how it's in black and white; it adds a lot of atmosphere to the picture.
The features of Dylan are a little off, but only slightly, and other than that it's great."

DP:

"Man, I almost wanted this to be "Loony BoB Dylan". However, I'll suspend my anticipations in order to judge fairly. I know the poster that you are trying to cover, and for the most part, this is done well in the style that you are doing it in. The lack of definite detail is nice, such as on the shirt, however, that line above the lips that defines it, it just seems out of place. Too sharp for a very gentle picture. His hair is well done, and the face bears a nice resemblence."

ValkryieWing #2

Kitsune No'Kage:

"Over all I think you grasped the challenge quite well, even for being as open as it was. This picture does an exelent job of representing both sides of the same person, and depicted in the struggle against eachother is an exelent choice.

The calm rational hero vs the raving manman villain. I admitt I was a little suprised to see two figires in the picture, but as I can see they are in reality the same person. An exelent job depicting the struggle between good and evil."

DP:

"Regardless, silver vs. black, or white vs. black, either works.
The white angel is obviously benevolent, appearing above, with light behind it, thrusting downwards on the dark angel who comes from the darkness.
Classic heavenly angel vs. malevolent angel. We've seen it.
On the light side, I like the wings of the dark angel and its outfit over-all. The backdrop is also nicely done."

41-inches-wide and ValkyrieWing:

tan:

It's a very peaceful piece, and the coloring is nice. It's a bit too cartoony for my taste, but it's a decent piece overall.

DP:

"Is that an oil spill in the water or a reflection of what looks like the mast of a row-boat. This seems to be going towards realism, but at the same time, it's a little off. I do like the coloring though.
I suppose the skydrop is nice as well, although, the hills look a little like desert dunes."

Team Dionysus: Omecle and Mum

Mum #1

tan:

This is the kind of work I'd expect from you, Mum. The background is great (even though it wasn't white like I wanted it to be), and the coloring on the suit is great, also.
There's only one problem, and it's pretty big: My face isn't exactly drawn right. The face is sort of contorted and it kind of looks bizarre. If you had drawn the face perfectly, I would've given you a perfect score.

DP:

"Is someone trying to score brownie points, if so, try again. The blur is a little annoying, the bow-tie just isn't Bond, but the background resembles the part where people get shot. I can see the familiarity, but at first glance, I almost thought this was Agent Proto. That instantly makes this a terrible piece. However, for the attempt, I'll be merciful."

Mum #2

foa:

"I feel this is an excellent piece, especially given the fact, or so I've been told, that Mum considers landscapes to be a weakness of hers. I believe the use of the single palm tree in the foreground is a creative use of solitary objects in the environment. In reality, I expected a fairly typical landscape, viewed at somewhat of a distance, but I was pleasantly surprised when I was wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm also glad she elected to bring forth multiple emotions in one piece, instead of sticking strictly to solitude.

The only thing I'm even close to being dissatisfied with is the lack of detail in the background. I feel that if it were more detailed, the viewer would be given a better idea of solitude as the result of having the knowledge that different things were going on around them, but they were alone, and at peace with that. However, given time constraints, and the fact that the quality of the piece is marred by the blurriness of the camera, I'm giving that less consideration than I would if I viewed the piece in up close in real life."

DP:

"Interesting perspective for the camera of this landscape. Very brilliant coloring and illustration of the palm tree in the foreground as well as the rest of the island backdrop. The clouds in the sky are nice, and over-all, the picture is very relaxing and cool to look at. This really makes me want to go to Maui."

Omecle #1

lionx:

I like it. I like how the object and cat have such light shading, but theres no background so.^^; But it shows good shading and use of space otherwise :3

DP:

"What, is that garfield? Silly artists, when will you learn; Garfield is best left in the comics. Further: Garfield should have lasagna or be sleeping because he was lazy. If you're going to draw a cat, don't make him look like Garfield. Redeeming qualities include the cat's suit.
Not to mention the piano and its shadow is done well."

Omecle #2

nik0tine:

"Its incredible the color scheme is excellent. The colors are kind of "murky" and they make the picture slightly less clear, which is perfect, because memories are never 100% clear. It has a dreamlike quality to it and everything blends so nicely. This is very, very good. One of the better peices of art I've seen at EoFF. Ever. Hmm... I was hoping to see the pink laces highlighting childrens' faces, but it's not a big deal that it isn't there at all."

DP:

"I think this is a rather intersting piece. It looks as though this is an extended practice dance hall.
It certainly can't be a stage and this is why. Stages are more wide than they are deep.
The rafters, lights, and chandeliers are well done in the picture, and the pink streamer, interpretive dance mid action, breathtaking.
The floor and how impecable it is is also pleasing. Detail and craft was put into this work."

Mum and Omecle:

Reles:

"It looks very realistic and I love how the hair looks and the colors are amazing. Hm..the right side of her mouth looks odd, ya know? But that's all I really see. [It exceeded my expectations.]"

DP:

"All I can say is that the visible eye is remarkable. It almost looks like a picture.
The art is well illustrated and colored.
The tilt of the head and the facial structure, the character seems rather intriguing.
I'm not sure what she is thinking. The warmth of the picture, and her face, really don't seem to go.
I think with that facial feature a cooler, more blue tone would be better."

Results

First off, I'd like to say congratulations to all of you for making it this far. Mum and ValkyrieWing, you two have been in this competition the whole way, which I'm very thankful for. All but one of you have won at least one challenge, and Omecle's only been in this for two challenges, and had he appeared earlier, he most likely would have won one.

Secondly, to further ensure favoritism (in which a client gave someone they liked a high score) didn't occur, I threw out the highest score from each contestants' averages, which levelled the playing field for everyone.

Team Imagine, you two scored very well with your clients, though DP scored you very harshly. Both of you had 3 average pieces. None of them were really memorable, honestly.

Team Dionysus, you two scored very poorly on your first pieces. Maybe if you had taken your time and done them you would've done better. Your second and third pieces were both great, though.

...

And the winning team is...

Team Dionysus, congratulations, you're the winner of this challenge. Omecle, you had the highest average score (out of everyone) of 8.18. Your second picture was the one that won it for you, and it's quite obvious that it had the highest scores out of all of them. As for you Mum, you had the lowest average score out of everyone in this challenge, but because your partner won, both of you pass on to the final challenge. Both of you are now finalists.

This means that....

Team Imagine, you're the losing team of this challenge. Both of you did acceptionally well on all of your pieces, but none of you shined for this challenge.

ValkyrieWing and 41-inches-wide: one of you will be accepted and one of you will be erased.

...

ValkyrieWing, your pieces did acceptionally well, but the third piece dragged your average down. You could've drawn it very well, which would've provided an excellent foundation for your partner to add to, but you didn't.

....

41-inches-wide, your pieces were also acceptional, but none of them were excellent. You also turned in a piece two days late, which may mean that you won't have time for the finale. We don't want you having to put your school life on hold just for this competition.

And...

ValkyrieWing, 41-inches-wide, both of you... had the same average of 7.06, so I will leave it up to you two to decide who you believe should be erased between the two of you. I want your response by tomorrow or else I will choose who is erased.

I'll post the final challenge's rules up tomorrow, when we decide who's erased.

Rostum
11-13-2006, 04:30 AM
Before I look at the scores, I'm just going to say it now. DP is an aweful reviewer, get a better one next time.

Edit: Okay, congratulations to Mum and myself for getting in. And I think that ending was poor, you can't just give them the same score and tell them to settle it on their own.

I demand a showdown!

(And just for DP's information, the cat looks nothing like Garfield and it was meant to be related to the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland (hinted at the little quote I put there).

41-Inches-Wide
11-13-2006, 04:32 AM
This challenge is so funny, well for me anyway! :3 And it's so hard.
The pieces from Dionysus (congratulations :D~) and Valkyrie's are so remarkable!
I wish I could've done a better job, but hey anime is all I could do, and I'm inimical to change. So I request to be eliminated, for personal and technical reasons. I want to give Valkyrie the spot in this competition that she deserves.
But fear not. I will still be here in the Top Artist thread, lurking. :D
Thanks again~

ValkyrieWing
11-13-2006, 05:53 AM
I...I dont deserve this. I don't deserve to be in the final three.

I would prefer some sort of draw-off.

41-Inches-Wide
11-13-2006, 05:59 AM
Silly VW, of course you do. Anyway I refuse to do a showdown... I mean, what for? I asked for elimination anyway. :3

ValkyrieWing
11-13-2006, 06:58 AM
I...I am so very sorry, 41! Hopefully, you can forgive me....

Kitsune No'Kage
11-13-2006, 09:35 AM
And so this small chapter comes to a close, after watching both teams struggle for time and energy to finish their projects in the mist of what we call life they are greeted only by harsh words.

Ode to the fool, who thinks only of himself.
Let him be silent and forgotton.

An exelent job to both teams, your art was exeptional. I hope to see more, but the question I have is this: Whats next?

:tonberry:

tan
11-13-2006, 11:04 AM
This challenge is so funny, well for me anyway! :3 And it's so hard.
The pieces from Dionysus (congratulations :D~) and Valkyrie's are so remarkable!
I wish I could've done a better job, but hey anime is all I could do, and I'm inimical to change. So I request to be eliminated, for personal and technical reasons. I want to give Valkyrie the spot in this competition that she deserves.
But fear not. I will still be here in the Top Artist thread, lurking. :D
Thanks again~

Okay then.

41-inches-wide, you're erased. You were a great contestant. I hope you come back for the next "season" which is during the summer, so I think you'd actually have time to do it :D

This means that ValkyrieWing is accepted. Congratulations on making it to the final three.

I'll post the final challenge when I get back from school today. I'd like to (again) congratulate those who are in the final 3: Omecle, Mum, and ValkyrieWing. I think this will definitely be a great finale.

Oh, and, you three finalists, please be sure you won't be too busy for about the next month or so. That's just a hint for what's to come ;)

Rostum
11-13-2006, 11:58 AM
Well, as of the 30th I won't be around at all.

Nominus Experse
11-13-2006, 08:55 PM
WTF? Dignified Pauper was a terrible reviewer. I think we would all appreciate reviews that display a certain level of artistic knowledge rather than the flitting, uncultured likes and dislikes of an individual. Not to mention the fact that the brevity of his reviews reflects nothing of the time and energy spent by the artists in their creations.

I still can't see why you couldn't wait three hours to get my detailed review.

Whatever...

Rocket Edge
11-13-2006, 09:33 PM
All the entries are awesome! The picture of Reles i love. :up:

ValkyrieWing
11-13-2006, 09:47 PM
I would just like to say thank you. Though I don't deserve to be here.

However, in a lot of ways I'm rather insulted by DP's reviews. Not on mine alone, but on others as well. He was unnecessarily rude and uncaring. It was almost as if he was trying to be as cruel as possible. As an artist, I can say his comments made me feel as if I SHOULDN'T be an artist anymore, and I don't appreciate that at all.

I wasn't able to spend a whole lot of time on this due to personal reasons. I've been working a lot, and my grandfather has been ill. Life got in my way. I can't help that.

Anyway, I'll do my best to prove myself worthy of being in the final three.

Mum
11-14-2006, 02:25 AM
...and here I was thinking it was just me and that the judges had it in for me because I'm older and therefore somehow supposed to be doing better artwork.

I too, thought DP was harsh and didn't seem to know what he was talking aboout sometimes. My hubby was especially indignant, being a big Bond fan, about the comment that Bond doesn't do bow ties. Come on! Its a tux - of course hes wearing a bow tie!

In the beginning of this competition, all the judges were picking nice things to say about each picture, whether it was well executed or not, then marked accordingly. Constructive criticism is helpful, but only if its helpful!. Judges are not here to tear our works to pieces, especially if we've worked on them long and hard when there are more pressing things to be done in our respective lives. This is supposed to be friendly and fun, and with these kinds of reviews, well...

Nominus Experse - why don't you give a critique anyway? Why doesn't anyone? Come on - I'd be really interested in hearing what you have to say.

ValkyrieWing
11-14-2006, 02:33 AM
Yes please, Nom. :3

tan
11-14-2006, 08:20 AM
Well, as of the 30th I won't be around at all.

This could be a problem, but I'm not sure yet -_-


WTF? Dignified Pauper was a terrible reviewer. I think we would all appreciate reviews that display a certain level of artistic knowledge rather than the flitting, uncultured likes and dislikes of an individual. Not to mention the fact that the brevity of his reviews reflects nothing of the time and energy spent by the artists in their creations.

I still can't see why you couldn't wait three hours to get my detailed review.

Whatever...

First off, you said "I'll have it in tomorrow at 8 PM," not "I'll have it in in three hours." Secondly, if you had turned it in two days ago I would've used them. I wasn't going to wait that long just for you to possibly not turn them in. If I had waited for you, I wouldn't have been able to post the scores as soon as I could. Of course I could've waited but I already had all of the scores and reviews necessary (except one or two) and I wasn't going to hold it off any longer for one person. It may have been wrong of me to ask you to guest judge if I was just going to turn you down, but I thought you'd just write really quick reviews and give the scores, which I would've been fine with. You're angry at me for choosing DP over you, but he turned his in quickly, and even if he had been very harsh in the reviews, he gave fair scores, and I think that justifies him being a guest judge, whether he was a jerk in his reviews or not.



I too, thought DP was harsh and didn't seem to know what he was talking aboout sometimes. My hubby was especially indignant, being a big Bond fan, about the comment that Bond doesn't do bow ties. Come on! Its a tux - of course hes wearing a bow tie!

I think he gave you such a bad score for that piece because the execution of it. I sort of agreed with him a bit, mainly because the face in the portrait is blurry and my face sort of looks scrambled. The overall look to it is very nice because the background looks great and so does the suit, but I think that the part where you failed at wasn't the idea, it was more of how you drew me. If you had pulled that off I would've given you a really good score, actually.


However, in a lot of ways I'm rather insulted by DP's reviews. Not on mine alone, but on others as well. He was unnecessarily rude and uncaring. It was almost as if he was trying to be as cruel as possible. As an artist, I can say his comments made me feel as if I SHOULDN'T be an artist anymore, and I don't appreciate that at all.


In the beginning of this competition, all the judges were picking nice things to say about each picture, whether it was well executed or not, then marked accordingly. Constructive criticism is helpful, but only if its helpful!. Judges are not here to tear our works to pieces, especially if we've worked on them long and hard when there are more pressing things to be done in our respective lives. This is supposed to be friendly and fun, and with these kinds of reviews, well...

Well, it seems as if everyone's pointing the finger at me and getting angry at me for choosing DP to be a guest judge. He wanted to do it, and I knew he wouldn't choose favorites in the competition, so I let him do it. I really only chose him because I knew that he would give actual scores that he thought you guys deserved, not like the people who requested pictures because they all gave you guys really good scores (which is why I had to throw out the top one for everyone o_o). I'm not going to defend what DP said, but when you're looking at art, you don't say, "Oh wow that must've taken a really long time, so I really like it." It's like looking at, for example, an ugly garment. You don't say, "Oh wow that ugly garment must've taken a lot of time to make, so I'll just wear it." When people review things, they don't think about how much effort was put into it; they only look at the end result, and I'm sorry if he offended you but at least he was being honest in his reviews, unlike many past judges. He was trying to be funny in his reviews, and that was insulting as well, so, I'm sorry for that, but I think the scores that he gave were much more important, and I think he gave each entry a fair and well-thought out score.

I'll have the final challenge up soon enough.

ValkyrieWing
11-14-2006, 06:06 PM
Oh, tan, I'm not mad at you at all. :) It's not your fauly he was unnecessarily grouchy. LOL

Well, I'm looking forward to completeing this. :D

Rostum
11-14-2006, 09:42 PM
This could be a problem, but I'm not sure yet -_-

Yeah well, when you asked me to join this competition you said have a month free, which I did. You know, as a person with a real life and such, I've had things come up as of the 30th.



First off, you said "I'll have it in tomorrow at 8 PM," not "I'll have it in in three hours." Secondly, if you had turned it in two days ago I would've used them. I wasn't going to wait that long just for you to possibly not turn them in. If I had waited for you, I wouldn't have been able to post the scores as soon as I could. Of course I could've waited but I already had all of the scores and reviews necessary (except one or two) and I wasn't going to hold it off any longer for one person. It may have been wrong of me to ask you to guest judge if I was just going to turn you down, but I thought you'd just write really quick reviews and give the scores, which I would've been fine with. You're angry at me for choosing DP over you, but he turned his in quickly, and even if he had been very harsh in the reviews, he gave fair scores, and I think that justifies him being a guest judge, whether he was a jerk in his reviews or not.

It all comes down to that you could have waited. Why in such a rush? It's just a competition for fun. I know we all would have rather waited a day for the review if we knew it'd be someone who had some sort of artistic knowledge.

The reason he turned it in quickly, is because he went over them quickly. i.e. Had no idea what he was doing. I don't think his harsh marks are fair scores, especially when this is for fun.



I think he gave you such a bad score for that piece because the execution of it. I sort of agreed with him a bit, mainly because the face in the portrait is blurry and my face sort of looks scrambled. The overall look to it is very nice because the background looks great and so does the suit, but I think that the part where you failed at wasn't the idea, it was more of how you drew me. If you had pulled that off I would've given you a really good score, actually.

I think you're just being biased. You're running this competition, I don't think you should really have a say in the reviews (except for your request of course). So back of a bit man. (Not to mention you gave mum the smallest and most undetailed picture for reference, I don't think she could have drawn you extremely accurate)

Just because you agree with DP, doesn't make it all right.



Well, it seems as if everyone's pointing the finger at me and getting angry at me for choosing DP to be a guest judge.

Of course, you're the one running this competition, duh. I mean, we're not angry at you for him being an idiot. But you could have read over the review before committing to it.



He wanted to do it, and I knew he wouldn't choose favorites in the competition, so I let him do it. I really only chose him because I knew that he would give actual scores that he thought you guys deserved, not like the people who requested pictures because they all gave you guys really good scores (which is why I had to throw out the top one for everyone o_o).

I doubt Nominus Experse would have been biased.


I'm not going to defend what DP said, but when you're looking at art, you don't say, "Oh wow that must've taken a really long time, so I really like it."

No, you don't, but you also don't rip apart someone's piece as if it were a pile of steaming crap just for shock value.


It's like looking at, for example, an ugly garment. You don't say, "Oh wow that ugly garment must've taken a lot of time to make, so I'll just wear it." When people review things, they don't think about how much effort was put into it; they only look at the end result, and I'm sorry if he offended you but at least he was being honest in his reviews, unlike many past judges.

You don't need to defend him.

It's the same deal as that ugly garmet; just because he was honest, doesn't mean he was a good reviewer.


He was trying to be funny in his reviews, and that was insulting as well, so, I'm sorry for that, but I think the scores that he gave were much more important, and I think he gave each entry a fair and well-thought out score.

You can tell him no one really thinks he was funny at all.

Mum
11-14-2006, 10:06 PM
Tan, I wasn't mad at you - in fact I never even mentioned you. I pointed out that DP was inaccurate with what he said re a bow tie. (I feel he's shown himself up with a few of his comments, actually.)
You seem to be getting very defensive and taking everything personally, which may be understandable given your position, but as a manager of this you should remove yourself and just professionally administrate. You've done well to get us all this far.

Secondly we never saw any scores for each piece so I couldn't complain about the marking. In fact I said "In the beginning of this competition, all the judges were picking nice things to say about each picture, whether it was well executed or not, then marked accordingly." So I was commenting on DP's comments, not his marking of that particular piece.
I don't need to be told how poor that piece was, Tan, and I'm sorry it was inadequate for you.

I do agree with Omecle that the administrator of the competition shouldnt judge or give any comments, but thats just an opinion and I appreciate may not always be practical.

VW & Omecle, I'm very please that you 2 are in the final - well deserved - and don't you say or think otherwise!

Jowy
11-14-2006, 10:34 PM
Jowy's computer died, hence why the review took so long to get sent out. :(

tan
11-15-2006, 03:21 AM
This could be a problem, but I'm not sure yet -_-

Yeah well, when you asked me to join this competition you said have a month free, which I did. You know, as a person with a real life and such, I've had things come up as of the 30th.

Well, I guess if you quit, you quit. After the way you've been acting these last couple of days, it's quite noticeable that you're fed up with me and this competition, and, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you quit.





First off, you said "I'll have it in tomorrow at 8 PM," not "I'll have it in in three hours." Secondly, if you had turned it in two days ago I would've used them. I wasn't going to wait that long just for you to possibly not turn them in. If I had waited for you, I wouldn't have been able to post the scores as soon as I could. Of course I could've waited but I already had all of the scores and reviews necessary (except one or two) and I wasn't going to hold it off any longer for one person. It may have been wrong of me to ask you to guest judge if I was just going to turn you down, but I thought you'd just write really quick reviews and give the scores, which I would've been fine with. You're angry at me for choosing DP over you, but he turned his in quickly, and even if he had been very harsh in the reviews, he gave fair scores, and I think that justifies him being a guest judge, whether he was a jerk in his reviews or not.

It all comes down to that you could have waited. Why in such a rush? It's just a competition for fun. I know we all would have rather waited a day for the review if we knew it'd be someone who had some sort of artistic knowledge.

Just because people don't have artistic knowledge, doesn't mean they can't have an opinion about art. Should I watch a movie and say, "Oh, since I'm not a director, I can't think anything of this movie. Oh well."?


The reason he turned it in quickly, is because he went over them quickly. i.e. Had no idea what he was doing. I don't think his harsh marks are fair scores, especially when this is for fun.

First off, who are you to say he had no idea in what he was doing? Do you actually know this?

Secondly, just because it's for fun doesn't mean he can't give serious reviews of what he thinks, rather than what all of you are used to from other people, which is "Oh, it's great! 10/10." For all 3 of you this is your serious wake-up call, because it shows that you shouldn't just rely on everyone to consider your feelings and just say it's good. That doesn't get you anywhere. In my opinion, if you want to do anything in life, you have to take what you have been criticized for, and change that. DP was, oddly enough, a learning experience for all of us. Yes, his reviews were harsh, but, at least they were truthful in the spots where he was being serious (which was about 90% of all of the reviews). I suspect I will get an even harsher judge panel for the final challenge (it is the finale, after all) and if you know what's good for you, you'll take these things you've learned from all of the reviews and turn them into the best collection ever (which I'll explain in the rules for the next challenge :D). I realize that constructive criticism doesn't need to be harsh, but DP did give people good scores for the pictures he thought were well-done, and it's obvious that Omecle deserved to win because he did draw two very good pieces. To be constructive, you need to be harsh, even if only a bit, so the person you're criticizing takes what you says, and applies it in future drawings.





I think he gave you such a bad score for that piece because the execution of it. I sort of agreed with him a bit, mainly because the face in the portrait is blurry and my face sort of looks scrambled. The overall look to it is very nice because the background looks great and so does the suit, but I think that the part where you failed at wasn't the idea, it was more of how you drew me. If you had pulled that off I would've given you a really good score, actually.

I think you're just being biased. You're running this competition, I don't think you should really have a say in the reviews (except for your request of course). So back of a bit man. )

I'm being biased? It was my request. As the requester, I can have opinions about it, whether I'm the competition runner or not. I agreed with some things he said, even though he said them in a harsh way. I'm not being biased for agreeing with him on a picture I requested, and you even said "except for your request of course." It's my request, isn't it?


(Not to mention you gave mum the smallest and most undetailed picture for reference, I don't think she could have drawn you extremely accurate)

About the picture: Mum is the artist drawing it. If she wants a better reference, she can ask me. I didn't think it was that bad of a photo reference, but now you're shifting the blame to me to discredit my opinion. She can speak for herself and if she wanted a bigger photo reference, it was her duty to ask me. There would've been no reason for me to say no. I even have photos in the photo album here. She drew what she drew, so you can't say my involvement in the request should automatically discredit it.

EDIT: I looked at the photo reference I gave. It was a thumbnail, meaning that she could click on it to expand it. It's not that small of a picture if you actually click on the thumbnail.


Just because you agree with DP, doesn't make it all right.

It doesn't justify the mean unnecessary things he said, but, the things he said while he was being serious were only harsh because he didn't sugarcoat them. He's actually been the most honest judge so far, and I think all of you are just too used to hear all these compliments about your pictures because everyone here is too nice, and anyone who gives a negative comment is suddenly a jerk. If he said in any of the reviews, "Oh this sucks," then of course I'd be agreeing with you, but at least he added in a compliment for every review, and in your blind fury, you didn't notice this. Not all of his reviews were just negative comments. In my opinion, it's better to hear what's worse in something that you take pride in making rather than the good things because you can always improve, and only hearing the good while only swell your ego. Don't blame me for knocking you down a peg.





Well, it seems as if everyone's pointing the finger at me and getting angry at me for choosing DP to be a guest judge.

Of course, you're the one running this competition, duh. I mean, we're not angry at you for him being an idiot. But you could have read over the review before committing to it.

My advice: read over the reviews again, and look at your piece. The reviews that he wrote that seem to offend you the most were the ones you did worse on, and apparently you need to be told that all of your pieces are good, so you don't get angry. Had he sugarcoated the bad reviews with a few more comments, you most likely would've been less upset.



He wanted to do it, and I knew he wouldn't choose favorites in the competition, so I let him do it. I really only chose him because I knew that he would give actual scores that he thought you guys deserved, not like the people who requested pictures because they all gave you guys really good scores (which is why I had to throw out the top one for everyone o_o).


I doubt Nominus Experse would have been biased.

I didn't mention him, now did I? I would've used his reviews, had he turned them in on time.




I'm not going to defend what DP said, but when you're looking at art, you don't say, "Oh wow that must've taken a really long time, so I really like it."

No, you don't, but you also don't rip apart someone's piece as if it were a pile of steaming crap just for shock value.

You're implying that all he said to all of you was, "You all did horribly and you all drew horribly," but if you noticed, he did include compliments.


It's like looking at, for example, an ugly garment. You don't say, "Oh wow that ugly garment must've taken a lot of time to make, so I'll just wear it." When people review things, they don't think about how much effort was put into it; they only look at the end result, and I'm sorry if he offended you but at least he was being honest in his reviews, unlike many past judges.

You don't need to defend him.

It's the same deal as that ugly garmet; just because he was honest, doesn't mean he was a good reviewer.[/QUOTE]

So, you'd rather someone lie to you and tell you your picture looks good? A good reviewer is an honest reviewer, because they tell you what you need to improve on, which, in my opinion is 10x better than just saying they thought it was good. Yes, your past reviews have shown you both the good and the bad of your pieces, but it seems as though the good outweighed the bad in every review every time. This reminds me of when I judged, because I had to hold back because I didn't want to offend any of you, and now that you've experienced someone who hasn't held back, you're completely shocked. He didn't rip your entries up into pieces and say you all sucked and you have no hope. He gave you constructive criticism through showing you what you did wrong, even if he did this in a rude way.


He was trying to be funny in his reviews, and that was insulting as well, so, I'm sorry for that, but I think the scores that he gave were much more important, and I think he gave each entry a fair and well-thought out score.

You can tell him no one really thinks he was funny at all.[/QUOTE]


Tan, I wasn't mad at you - in fact I never even mentioned you. I pointed out that DP was inaccurate with what he said re a bow tie. (I feel he's shown himself up with a few of his comments, actually.)
You seem to be getting very defensive and taking everything personally, which may be understandable given your position, but as a manager of this you should remove yourself and just professionally administrate. You've done well to get us all this far.

Secondly we never saw any scores for each piece so I couldn't complain about the marking. In fact I said "In the beginning of this competition, all the judges were picking nice things to say about each picture, whether it was well executed or not, then marked accordingly." So I was commenting on DP's comments, not his marking of that particular piece.
I don't need to be told how poor that piece was, Tan, and I'm sorry it was inadequate for you.

I do agree with Omecle that the administrator of the competition shouldnt judge or give any comments, but thats just an opinion and I appreciate may not always be practical.

And now all of you are attacking me for being a guest judge and judge. I didn't hear complaints the first time I did it (a few challenges back) so I dont' see why you're insulting me now. Just because I'm a competition runner, does not mean I can't have an opinion about your work. I think you and Omecle are really pointing out that I don't have much art experience, due to the fact that you've noticed I don't post any art here. As for the fact that you guys are angry for DP because you think he has no art experience, let me just say this in his (and my) defense: Do you really believe people who review movies actually make movies? Should Ebert and Roeper not be allowed to review movies simply for the fact that they don't make them? Does that make their opinions invalid? Should people who don't make clothes be able to have an opinion about top designers' clothes? The list goes on and on, and you guys are complaining because you're not getting "knowledgeable" people to review your pieces. Whether our opinions may be untrained or not in art does not make them suddenly worthless. He may be untrained in it, but if he shows you your mistakes, you could fix them. Anyone can give an opinion and that's what these reviews are. And, as DP showed, apparently there are bad opinions as well.

In the end, all of you are angry at me for letting you hear the things you heard about your pieces. I realize this is a fun competition, but does it have to be fake and sugarcoated? That just doesn't seem right. I see you artists as people who grow with every picture and every review, and showing you the mistakes you made in these entries may prevent you from making them again when it is actually crucial (maybe you'll become a famous artist one day through learning from your mistakes and perfecting your work :D). The main reason most of you seem angry is that he insulted your hard work, but not everyone in life is going to make you feel good by lying to you, and that's a proven fact in life.

All of you expect to hear all of the good things about your pictures, and only one or two bad things. Marick didn't do that, and he highlighted the bad parts of your entries, and you consider that rude. Oh well. I will say that he did say mean things and I won't deny that, but I don't see his critique as being 100% invalid, because he did point out a lot of good things.

As Marick said in a letter to me (through e-mail):


Dear Tan,

I read the comments about my reviews, and I must ask that you post my response as I feel I have a right to reserve my judging.


I see that some of you are rather upset by my judging style. Let me re-assure that if you think I am harsh, then you have never entered something into an actual and legitimate art show for the artistic adult community. I'm talking upper level college art students and professional artists who present their work in galleries. As I am an avid fan of the monthly Gallery Hop in Columbus, Ohio (a huge nationally recognized art event), as well as a fan of some modern art, I believe I know what is and is not artistic. While I am not able to draw, I am able to perceive good art versus mediocre art. Maybe I judged you all harshly in comparison to art that wins awards; although, I thought I was being lenient.

Further, there was no bias in my judgments. I had no idea who drew what. Further, the arts are about comparison, to where the best artist gets the highest score and all others are scored accordingly.

Once again, I must insist that if you are offended, then you had better get used to it. It takes some artists years of comments from legitimate judges with much worse comments than I could ever give. Just because this is an EoFF competition, this does not mean that I will simply judge it as though it was a joke. Granted, I inserted joke comments, such as the Agent Proto reference, just for hillarity's sake. The Cheschire Cat from Alice in Wonderland was Purple, and that cat does look similar to Garfield.

Also, I only called things as I saw them. I'm pretty positive my perceptions are up to date. However, I did take in artistic integrity and work, and it was obvious who spent more work on what. Further, I did give positive and negatives to all pieces. Suck it up. If you want to be a real artistic, learn how to take harsh criticism. You're going to get a lot of it. The world is not rainbows and sunshine and not everyone will be nice and constructive, in fact, most judges would be annoyed that their time was "wasted" on judging something they deem unfit. Trust me, I have recieved a few rejection letters from Literary magazines that are quite an ego blow. However, I know that's part of the process of development. You're not an artist until you've dealt with the blows the real world offers.

Respectfully,

Marick D. Pauper

And I leave you with that quote.

Once we're done squabbling, I'll put up the final challenge's rules.

ValkyrieWing
11-15-2006, 03:57 AM
Post away.

I'll just say this. I did the best I could, considering what was going on. Am I hurt by the comments? Hell yes. But I'll live. And I'm an artist despite what anyone says.

Deal.

Ok, VW is done. :3

Rostum
11-15-2006, 03:59 AM
Okay, I get pretty defensive sometimes, so I'm sorry for that.

To Tan: I hardly even talk to you, so please don't assume what I've been like the last couple of days.

Sure, he can be serious about the reviews, but I think he was just trying to be harsh like he was for shock value. Either that or he has a pole up his butt.

I don't care what scores he gave us, that didn't really have anything to do with it (hell, we didn't even see the scores, just the end ones). Just the things he said.

I'm really not bothered by having told my piece isn't that good, it was just the way he put it.

To DP: This is a video game internet forum. Do you really expect us to take your harsh remakes so lightly when we're just in this for fun? We've juggled around our own lives a lot to get these done, so it just gets annoying when you so brutally discredit our work the way you did. Especially when we're not showcasing art professionally.

I'm pretty sure we can take your criticism, but the way you put it was uncalled for. And I'm not just talking about what you said for my pieces.

Anyway, I'll talk to you on MSN Tan, it's probably best not to spam up this forum, lol.

(Just on a side note, Mum had no idea it was a thumbnail, so she was working off the little picture. At least, I think so.)

Edit:
I should have been more reserved with my feelings like VW, sorry guys. ^^;

41-Inches-Wide
11-15-2006, 04:04 AM
*butts in*
Can I be a guest judge sometime? Just someone extra. :3

ValkyrieWing
11-15-2006, 06:24 AM
LOL

I'm generally reserved. I DID rant at my boyfriend about it, though...LOL

tan
11-15-2006, 06:26 AM
*butts in*
Can I be a guest judge sometime? Just someone extra. :3

I would be honored if you could be a guest judge for the final challenge :D

Just as long as you don't cause as much of an outrage as DP did, I'm fine with it xD (just kidding)

Anyway, final challenge's rules:

Final Challenge- Finale

This is it. This is the last challenge that will decide your fate in this competition. There are 3 of you left. After this one, there will only be EoFF's Top Artist.

This challenge is to create an 8-piece collection over the course of two months. There are no exact restrictions to what you can draw; you can draw whatever you want, as long as it sums up your style and shows the best of your ability.

Your collections must be cohesive, so doing random pictures would not be in your best interest. You could, for example, draw eight pictures surrounding one word, because it would smoothly flow and the ideas could be connected from one piece to another.

After you have made your 8-piece collections, you will be making a video with them, complete with music. As you have seen before, I can make videos, so I can help you, but if you want someone else who is better than me at doing them, you can ask them to do it, as long as it ends up as a video. I will not be taking your pictures and turning it into a video; you need to know what music you want, what you want it to look like, what transitions you want to use, etc. I'll go more into this video once you have turned them in.

Guidelines for collections
-You may not use ANY pieces you have already done in the past; Mum, I know, has her own online gallery, so she could easily use 8 old ones, but I trust her enough not to do this :)
-No outside help, unless they are just critiquing you as you go along (no one can draw it for you)
-You may ask a fellow contestant for their opinion of your pieces as you're going along, but you may not want to do this because it may spark subconcious cheating (seeing a picture, getting an inspiration, creating a somewhat similar piece)
-Name your collection with one or two words; whether the title is relevant or not to the pieces does not matter

That's about it for guidelines. If you have a question, then I'm always free.

The judging system will be a bit different this time: there will be a panel of 6 judges (I am one of them, if you don't mind) and each will be casting a vote for their favorite collection. Of course, this may end up as a tie, which is why there will be a seventh vote taken from the public. So, there will be a poll asking which collection they thought was the best, and whoever gets the most votes gets the seventh vote. These panel of judges will be talking about the collections together and giving their opinions on each; whether or not I can get them all in one #eoff chat room at the same time for about 30 minutes or so with none of them leaving will be the challenge (for me) o_o

I will warn you now: do not procrastinate this challenge. If you end up slacking because you think two months is a lot, you'll probably end up doing it last minute with very sloppy results. I will be checking up on you around the half-way mark to see where you are, to give you advice, etc.

And so, the cut-off deadline for this will be January 15th, 2007. Its the longest deadline you've had so far, so I hope you make the best of your time.

The following week after that will be EoFF's Art Week (well, I'm just calling it that, they won't actually celebrate it or anything xD) in which all 3 artists show their collections. The extra week is to create the video. The line-up of who shows on what day (different people will show on different days) will be decided then.

So, this thread is going to become quite dead during that break (for us onlookers at least), but Leeza assured me that if we come back after a month and no one's responded, she won't lock up the thread for reviving a dead thread :D

ANNOUNCEMENT- Omecle has dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Mum, ValkyrieWing, if either of you have important things to do (like, huge tasks) I will change the number of pieces due (if I must) so you don't have to drop out. Anyway, this third spot is open to anyone who participated in this competition as a contestant, and who has time to do it. If not chosen by next week, I guess we'll just have a one-on-one with ValkyrieWing and Mum =P

Before I leave, I want to give some advice to Mum and ValkyrieWing as to what they should or should not do for their collections.

ValkyrieWing- Your execution, detail, and color-choice are perfect when you expand and do as much possible to your pieces. I would advise you to take each piece at a time and draw them with much diligence. If you can pull off a collection that looks well-executed and well-thought out, you'll definitely have a high chance of winning. As for what you shouldn't do... hmmm... you shouldn't rush, because that seems to end up with you having a sort of lacklustre piece with much to be desired. Again, just take your time, but not too much time as to run out of it. I also think it would be interesting to start seeing new perspectives while you're drawing, like an over-head perspective or a bottom-looking-up perspective. Also, it seems like female characters are definitely your strong point, so sticking to them would be wise, but also try to branch out and do a couple of male characters, but, if they end up looking odd, then just use the female characters as your Plan B when all else fails.

Mum- Yes, I slaughtered you in my review two challenges ago because you weren't creative. You have the skill and talent to make these pieces look great, but with creativity, you don't seem to branch out much. I think it would be very interesting to see more pictures like the one you created for the seven sins challenge, and that was actually my favorite piece from you out of all of the challenges. Just be creative, yet still keep the execution. Just as I said to ValkyrieWing, don't rush, because, as you it seemed like you did with a couple of the requests last challenge, it doesn't end up well. I liked your first challenge's pencil drawing, so, maybe trying to incorporate that into your collection would look really good as well. The judges will definitely love anything you create, creative or not, but I want you to step out of the box and create something beautiful with the imagination you have, because we haven't seen all of that this round of challenges. That's basically all the advice I can give you :)

Anyway, you have your challenge, so I hope you make the best of it and create a great collection!

ValkyrieWing
11-15-2006, 06:43 AM
Well...

Best of luck, Mum. I hope to see your best. I'll certainly be bringing mine. :)

And thank GOODNESS I'm getting better at drawing males...!

Mum
11-15-2006, 08:26 PM
Ah, I can do paintings but I cant do the video.
1. I dont have a computer you see, and I just use work's computer to send the pics (they're quite strick with usage and i even have to hide writing these!).
2. I wouldnt have the first clue how.
So should I default?
I am happy to do so - I've had fun, and VW is clearly the best EOFF artist left.
Or to perpetuate the competition, and so Tan isn't disappointed, should someone else take my place (who was in the competition before?)

ValkyrieWing
11-15-2006, 10:10 PM
NO!

Mum, you can't quit~ I'd be so sad....

Nominus Experse
11-15-2006, 10:13 PM
Mum, if you so desire it, I could try and aid you to the best of my ability. I am also sure tan would try and work around your situation.


I sent a PM asking tan if I could rejoin the competition, but I would much rather be competing, if tan allows my presence once more, against the two of you rather than simply VW, you know?

ValkyrieWing
11-15-2006, 10:23 PM
YES PLEASE!

I'd ~love~ to compete against the both of you. That would be the best thing ever for me, i think....I respect you both and you're amazing artists. What better oppritunity to prove myself?

Rostum
11-15-2006, 11:13 PM
Yeah I'm sorry about pulling out. I was thinking that maybe I could juggle it with all the things going on, but I really don't want to take that risk and ruin the competition for everyone.

I've got my girlfriend coming up for a couple of weeks, who I haven't seen for a few months. So I'm going to spend every chance I can with her.

Then I'm moving back down to my own city, so that makes it harder...

Kind of a shame, because I had actually studied video editing and audio engineering for a few years, so this would have been a good chance to use that. ^^; Oh well.

I wish the best of luck to Mum and ValkyrieWing, and whoever else decides to join them in this final battle. You guys are amazing artists, way better than anything I could ever achieve. Good luck.

Mum
11-15-2006, 11:54 PM
Sure, if its allowed I could do all the artwork then hand over to someone in the know to set it to a video with say music of my choice?
I'm in the Adjudicator's hands...

tan
11-16-2006, 12:33 AM
Ah, I can do paintings but I cant do the video.
1. I dont have a computer you see, and I just use work's computer to send the pics (they're quite strick with usage and i even have to hide writing these!).
2. I wouldnt have the first clue how.
So should I default?
I am happy to do so - I've had fun, and VW is clearly the best EOFF artist left.
Or to perpetuate the competition, and so Tan isn't disappointed, should someone else take my place (who was in the competition before?)

I am here as a video maker, and so is Nominus, though I bet he is definitely better at it than me =P


Sure, if its allowed I could do all the artwork then hand over to someone in the know to set it to a video with say music of my choice?
I'm in the Adjudicator's hands...

Yes, sure, that is fine. Just as long as you choose the music.

On the topic of Nominus:

I'd be ectstatic for him to come back, so long as he has the time to do it. He has presented the options, however, to Mum and ValkyrieWing for options if he were to rejoin:


As a side note, please ask Mum and VK if they would like this applied to me if I am to be a contestant once more:

A: submit two more pieces than they since I missed two challenges.

B: if I somehow manage first place, have it be that I am penalized for my "skipping" of the other two challenges, meaning that I can be given honorable mention and prestige, but not the shiny title, per se.

C: I can simply not compete again.

So, I think we've got our third contestant :D

ValkyrieWing
11-16-2006, 01:43 AM
Anything is fine with me...I'm just happy to have Nom back!

Mum
11-16-2006, 08:17 PM
Me too! I welcome Nom back, and I'll get on with the paintings and contact you Tan to see if you can string them together later on.

I already have my theme, and the 8 paintings worked out and named. Last night I even drew out 2 of them! I'm very inspired! I also have chosen what music I want the video set to. I hope I'm just as inspired in a couple of months time after they're not turning out how I want..!

Some will be pastels and some will be watercolours this time - I haven't done watercolours since 1999!

I'm very excited to see what Nom and VW do - its going to be great!

I don't expect Nom to submit any additional paintings to be back in the contest, btw. Just pleased hes in still.

Nominus Experse
11-16-2006, 10:31 PM
Why thank you two for accepting me back into the contest.

As for my theme, think of screws, people, marionettes, and exposed hearts, even some intimate love pieces, all done in the surreal-murky-Nominus style.

It's somewhat macabre. Surprising, I know...



:cat:

tan
11-17-2006, 12:58 PM
It's nice to see everyone happy again :)

41-Inches-Wide
11-18-2006, 02:01 AM
Yay for the final challenge!~ Best of luck to the three.
And thank you tan, I will see to it that I will guest judge accordingly.

Nominus Experse
11-22-2006, 02:30 AM
It's a good thing I don't sleep much...

tan
11-23-2006, 12:18 AM
It's a good thing I don't sleep much...

Well, you do have a lot of time for this, so I would just say to slow it down and try and do it gradually. I hope I gave enough time o_o

Mum
11-27-2006, 12:04 AM
It's a good thing I don't sleep much...

Well, you do have a lot of time for this, so I would just say to slow it down and try and do it gradually. I hope I gave enough time o_o

Keeping in mind though that its still one per week and over Christmas...


I've done one and started 3.
Hope NE & VW are doing well.

Rocket Edge
11-27-2006, 02:09 AM
Best of luck to the finalists..

tan
11-27-2006, 02:19 AM
It's a good thing I don't sleep much...

Well, you do have a lot of time for this, so I would just say to slow it down and try and do it gradually. I hope I gave enough time o_o

Keeping in mind though that its still one per week and over Christmas...


I've done one and started 3.
Hope NE & VW are doing well.

Well, yeah. I was originally going to end it around Christmas, but I decided against it, because it wouldn't be enough time, so I decided to end it a bit after Christmas, just in case drawing gets in the way of the festivities for you guys =P

ValkyrieWing
11-30-2006, 02:21 AM
:)

My theme's going to be the elements. Fire, ari, ect.

I have 2 done so far.

Good luck everyone!

tan
12-02-2006, 04:04 AM
I will be checking up on all of you December 16, which is the approximate half-way point. I know most of you are only done with about two or so, which is fine, just as long as I get a general idea of what you're trying to create. I'll be looking at the pieces you've created and giving my opinion, but whether you actually follow them or not is up to you.

Anyway, for those who wish to compete in the next round of this competition, I will be starting it just before the beginning of summer, so mostly everyone will be free to draw. This time I will only be taking 8 contestants, so there will be less challenges, meaning less people dropping out (I hope). I learned that just asking anyone who wants to compete usually ends up with them dropping out, so this time I will only be extending invitations to compete, and only those who have invitations to compete will be able to. I will be extending invitations to 16 of you, which then will be narrowed down to 8 with the semi-final challenge. And what must one do to get an invitation? I will looking at the art forums often, and anyone who I am impressed with will get an invitation. You may also post in the thread some art work that you want to show me, which may or may not get you one.

Oh, and, anyone who has any ideas for challenges can come contact me, and I'll let you be the guest judge for that challenge since you thought it up :)

I know there have been complaints about this competition on how the deadlines were too short, there was too much drama, etc., but I've learned a lot about what I should do next time (such as not butcher a judge's review, which is what happened in the beginning and I lost all 3 of them after that point o_o). I know some have complained about the format, but if I was to make a thread that gives challenges and just asks people to submit, it wouldn't be a competition. I like this format because I think it is competitive, and that's the whole point of it, which is to find the best artist that can be flexible and creative in their art.

Oh, and, just a word to the finalists, you three will not be able to compete in next round, whether you win or not. I'd like to give a chance for anyone to compete, and since you have already made it this far, letting you compete again would be unfair for those who do want. All 3 of you will always be welcome to be judges/guest judges, however :)

Yes, I know I'm getting ahead of myself with all this talk about next round, but I need something to ramble on about, you know =P

And to the three finalists: good luck with drawing your entries, and if you have any concerns, I'm always here to help.

Mum
12-06-2006, 01:57 AM
Hi guys!

I have completed 7 out of the 13 I have drawn out and started, then I will choose the best 8 to submit. (I'll use all of them for an upcoming exhibition, so thanks for the idea.) I think I have picked my song for the music too.

My theme is TIME.

Tan, are you judging this final round? If not, should/could I submit them to you on trial for you to help choose which you think would be best for this challenge? Or is that inappropriate, guys?
Opinions please.
If you are judging, Tan, then I think it would be fairer for me to choose.

I see from your previous entry that you are available to critique before official submission. Should I email them to you?

VW: great theme! I can just imagine your fire one...!
What are you doing your series on NE?

Nominus Experse
12-06-2006, 04:25 AM
I plan to have my series be loosely held together by the theme of struggle in its many forms. Thus, this encompasses everything from love to sexual frustration.

And, naturally, it's done in my style, whatever murky... thing... that is.

Mum
12-06-2006, 08:49 PM
...and, naturally, it's done in my style, whatever murky... thing... that is.

*chuckles*

tan
12-16-2006, 04:14 PM
Hello everyone!

It's the half-way point, which means I'll be seeing the contestants' finished art thus far and giving them my opinions. Mum e-mailed me hers two days ago because she wouldn't have e-mail access today, I believe, so that just leaves ValkyrieWing and Nominus Experse. I have my expectations very high, and I'll do my best to guide them and give them advice.

EDIT: Oh, uh, I forgot to talk about something in the rules, I think. In your video, as well in your posting of the entries, the last picture shown will be your featured picture, the one you consider the best. This does not mean that you need to draw 9 pictures; simply pick one out that you find the best. Or, as in ValkyrieWing's collection, you could just take all of your collection and put the characters all into one picture, but this is just an example. Sorry I forgot to tell you, but this won't change much besides you telling which one you thought was best by featuring it at the end.

EDIT (again): I've been slacking off and have yet to find the panel of seven judges, but since I promised 41-inches-wide a spot, and I myself will be a judge, that leaves 5. I'm also hoping to ask a friend from school who's experienced with art to join in, though I don't know how outspoken he'll be in his reviews, but we'll see. If you'd like to be a judge for this challenge please PM me. Only requirements are that you can get into #eoff and that you have little to no association with the contestants. This means that one of my recent judges (can't remember her name, sorry xD) who was friends with ValkyrieWing won't be able to guest judge, so, uh, yeah. I'll be sending PMs to various people who I want to guest judge and I'll set up a time for us to meet, whether it be #eoff, Y!M, AIM, or MSN Messenger. But, of course, this will be after the final collections are revealed, but I'm just planning ahead =P

Nominus Experse
12-17-2006, 10:42 AM
I want to have the judges give at least two paragraphs per piece of artwork. If they cannot do this, than they are not competent as judges. There are artistic princepals that every artist knows, and every judge ought to know these as well. There are more than enough aspects of each piece of artwork to make two complete, coherant paragraphs.

No artist wants to see "oh, this is nice. 6/10". I want to see why the fuck it's nice, or why it's not. If I see any of this loose-ended :skull::skull::skull::skull:, I am going to be pissed.

And there haven't been enough technical critigues that have cited what is wrong with the picture. There is always at least one thing found to be wrong, but everyone knows that there are usually more than simply one thing wrong with each picture. When I say wrong, I mean not perfect.

DP tried this, but ultimately failed. I want to see a judge actually be brutal, but also make sense with what they write. The public is brutal, the real world is brutal. Artists are not supposed to have friends in the artistic world. It would shame me to have the review of a favoured judge.


So all you who seek to be judges, do not dissappoint, please. You owe us this right.

This competition is supposed to be fun, but the end product is always serious. The judging shouldn't be any less so.

Mum
12-18-2006, 09:42 PM
I agree with NE that the judging will be much more valid and interesting if it is detailed. VW, NE and I are putting a lot of effort into our creations, and deserve effort put into examining and reviewing them. A couple of paragraphs minimum should uncover the judges thoughts well.

Judges, you can criticise NE all he likes - as he obviously wants it and can take it. (I think he's an exceptional artist, personally, who uses great detail.)
But I am one of those artists who is a sensitive, emotional kind, and as I feel there is enough brutality in the world (like NE says), you can be just as kind with me as you like! Score accordingly of course, but critique in a gentle and instructive kind of way for me please. Theres no need to be brutal. The message will still be fully taken on board, believe me, and I will try to learn from all suggestions. I excel more from enthusiastic helpfulness than being crushed under scornful criticism - just the way I'm made!

Keep in mind each artist's techniques and material - one who uses a computer has different parameters than one who uses raw materials. The paintings will not be able to turn out the same qualities, and each medium has its own limitations in its management and execution.

I'm really looking forward to seeing all the wonderful paintings VW & NE have done. Have a wonderful Christmas break everyone!

Tan, for the next competition, as us 3 finalists are not eligible, I would be delighted to judge if you like.

Nominus Experse
12-20-2006, 01:20 AM
tan, we want your confirmation in this matter. Or, at the very least, your thoughts.

tan
12-20-2006, 08:22 PM
Sorry I haven't replied to any of this (or your artwork, Nominus), but I've been extremely busy lately, so I've had to stay away from here.

Anyway, I do want the judges to be brutal, because, honestly, whether you're emotional or not, covering up the fact that one of your pieces doesn't look very good by wording it gently isn't going to do anything for anyone. Marick was somewhat rude in his reviews, yes, but I want the judges to give critiques like him, because, honestly, this is the final challenge, and if a piece isn't good, the judges should just say it outright, not in a sentence like "Oh, it isn't the best, but you can do better!" As I've said before, sugarcoating something doesn't help anyone.

The reviews will be brutal, whether you like it or not. A brutal review does not mean that you are worthless as an artist but, rather, that you need to improve on some of your techniques. I'll be sure to tell the judges to give positives and negatives to each piece, and I'll be sure to tell them not to be just downright rude (as in saying, "Oh this piece sucks" as some of you think Marick somehow told you in his reviews). I hate when people are fake, and when they are being fake to you in reviews so they don't hurt your feelings, they (and you, who is demanding that they gently word everything) are not respecting you as an artist. This is because as artists, you should be able to take negative feedback, whether you believe it to be "rude" or not, and turn it into something positive.

Now, if you really don't want to see their reviews because you think they'll be too harsh, just don't read the reviews.

Loony BoB
12-21-2006, 12:27 AM
I think what should be kept in mind is that you don't say "The background is horrid, what is the bow tie there for? Ugh." etc. and instead say "I liked what you did with this, this and this. I think that you could have improved it by doing this."

You guys need to keep in mind that art isn't done in a week. Chances are they know what they could improve on anyway, they just didn't have the time.

I've been known as my Mum's biggest art critic over the years - and I give her rave reviews on many occasions. If there's something that I didn't think was done right - be it something being too big, too small, too bright, too dark, the wrong colour, I tell her. But there is never a need to be brutal with someone who doesn't appreciate it. Some people may enjoy it, but only if they ask for it. There are two ways you can drive people to improve in this world - encourage them to do so or demand they do so. Do you think Bill Gates got rich because his father told him the way he did his work was crap? I don't know about you, but the driving force behind my achievements can often be people. A push in the right direction is good, but only if it's a push, not a shove. If I was told "Hey, why don't you do this?" etc. then I'd be more likely to do it than if I was told "You didn't do it well enough. You fail."

If I was going to be brutal, I would rip a hole in how this comeptition is being run, noting everything that I see as having been done all wrong. If I was going to be productive, I would point out things that I feel weren't done right and suggest ways to improve them, and highlight areas that I see as a success.

Finally, an art critic is nothing without the knowledge of the time and effort it takes to put together a piece of art. I've been to art competitions before, and art exhibitions. They don't go around slating works of art, they go around commenting on them.

I don't think that artists should be slated as if you were Simon Cowell on X-Factor, that's for sure.

Here, I decided to investigate various organisations, competitions and universities noting instructions for judges with regards to commenting.

"All entries are to receive comments. It is important that judges comment with sensitivity, particularly to the experience level of the entrant. Comments, in particular any criticism of the work, should be made in an instructive manner. Additional resources or further information is always welcome."

There is, of course, a difference between giving someone first prize and "going easy" on them with the comments. You can be very harsh and give a good rating, or very light and give a poor rating. Be as harsh as you like with ratings and point systems and rankings etc, but when dealing with someone's artistic ability - particularly when you are not an artist yourself - you should always be sensitive and, when dealing with flaws, you should be constructive rather than keeping it to "I don't think this was done right."

Comparing art is also something you should never really do, as far as I'm concerned. You should judge each piece of art on it's own merit, as art can differ dramatically - as we've seen in this competition!

*gets back to lurking*

ValkyrieWing
12-23-2006, 11:31 PM
Get ready for this one. I'm out if the contest. Not for a personal vendetta or anything, but because i severely sprained my wrist last night. I need to keep it braced, and it's agony to type. Because of this, i will be unable to finish my collection.

Best of luck, Nominus and Mum. I'll be watching closely your presentations. :) And, again, i'm sorry....

Nominus Experse
12-23-2006, 11:55 PM
Fuck

Well, I wish you the best ValkyrieWing and a speedy recovery. Life takes turns that we cannot forsee or immediately absolve, so feel no guilt.

We'll miss you though.

tan
12-24-2006, 01:52 AM
Instead of simply just giving the title of "D/O" (dropped out) to ValkyrieWing, I have decided to give her the title of third place, mostly just because she was one of the few to stick through this whole thing. Thank you for that, ValkyrieWing :)

And, also, Nominus and Mum, I hope you two don't mind her competing next round. I've decided to allow her to do this if she so pleases simply because she was a great contestant this round, and had she shown a final challenge (or had finished it before she had this accident), then I would not have permitted her, but because she didn't make it to the final three, I'll just give her a second chance. I hope you two don't mind this.

And, normally, I'd offer the position to someone who's competed, but because it's already half-way through, I don't think someone could finish a whole collection in a month (without using old pieces, that is).

As a side note: Sorry for not telling you my thoughts on your collection so far Nominus! Things have come up since it's been the last week of school here, such as finals, and I've been extremely busy. I'll be sure to do it within the next two days; I think I'll be busy tomorrow, but probably not. Sorry about the wait :(

Also: Mum will be gone until the 8th of January, if anyone wanted to know.

About the judges: They'll be how they'll be, whether brutal or soft. I can't force them to be mean or to be nice (well, I guess I can, but I won't). We'll simply be meeting in some sort of chat room (or instant messenger medium) and discussing the final collections, then voting on one winner. The person with the most votes wins. Therefore, there won't be long reviews, but we'll be talking about it for quite some time. Also, I've decided to lower the number of judges from 6 to 4, mostly because people are too busy, and 4 would be appropriate (the 5th, and possible tiebreaker, will still be decided by the people here at EoFF).

So, that's basically it. Sorry about your accident ValkyrieWing; I truly do hope to see you compete in the next round!

41-Inches-Wide
12-24-2006, 09:17 PM
I'm so sorry to hear about ValkyrieWing's accident.

Tan, I might have some problems regarding that chat/conference thing. I don't have much time for anything else except work, and I just came by to check on the art forum.
If it's any consolation, I will be reviewing each artist's piece still. But if the conference is truly needed, then I'm so sorry. I really won't be able to make it that way.

I know Mum and Nominus Experse will have amazing pieces.
Best o' good marks to the both o' yer!

ValkyrieWing
12-26-2006, 01:21 AM
thanks everyone!

tan
01-02-2007, 04:59 PM
Sorry I've been gone for some time; I've taken somewhat of a hiatus because I've been exhausted and I decided to relax for the holidays.

I've seen both Nominus and Mum's progress on their collections and I must say that I am very impressed. I don't think choosing a winner will be very easy...

Also, I only have 3 judges so far (including me) and I need just one more! I think I'm going to scrap the whole chat idea... No one seems to be able to do it, so I might as well just forget it, though I thought it'd be a good idea. Anyone wanting to guest judge for the final challenge please PM me.

And, also, I'm thinking of pushing back the deadline a couple of weeks because I don't know if I'll have time to do the whole thing on that week, and I still need to set up how it'll work, so I need a bit of time.

Other than that, things have been great, and I can't wait until we get to see the final collections and videos :D

Nominus Experse
01-02-2007, 05:03 PM
Um... yeah, another week would be something of a saviour, to be honest...

tan
01-02-2007, 05:23 PM
Well, I've made up my mind.

The new deadline will be January 29th, for just the entries. The video will be due February 2nd, and I will plan when the final collections will be shown once I get those. I hope this does not bother Mum- she already has all of her pieces done, so I hope she doesn't get impatient. Anyway, that's all for announcements.

Nominus Experse
01-04-2007, 08:00 AM
I apologize for being so damned slow, Mum...

EDIT: I had 1.5 tons of freight get dropped on my right forefinger last night at work... Luckily, it's only severely bruised and blistered; however, that being said, I will not be able to draw very well in the next few days or so. Hopefully it heals in a timely manner.

Mum
01-09-2007, 06:46 PM
Happy New Year y'all.

I've actually got two pieces that have yet to be finished, and I've been very sick for a fortnight, aso the extra time is very handy.
Its so frustrating being sick over your holidays - they only come once or twice a year and spending them all laid up is not good! I didn't get anything done that I wanted to over the Xmas/NY break! I was going to paint my daughter's bathroom and get my Summerhouse finished and decorated, do the lawns and gardens, do my artwork, visit people, go shopping...ah well. I ended up seeing about 12 DVDs instead...lying on the couch, inbetween coughing and other unmentionable bodily functions.

Being sick sucks.
Seems like the season for everyone to be injured or some such thing too - hope VW & NE heal well soon.

Nominus Experse
01-10-2007, 04:18 PM
Well, it's healed enough that I can now draw without fear of it bursting blood all over my drawings, but it does still hurt, so it will be slow still. At least it will be moving again... I am already behind as it is...

And yes, Mum, I have also been quite sick myself. It sucks. Flus and fevers are truly something hideous...

ValkyrieWing
01-14-2007, 02:59 AM
What is it, an epidemic? LOL It seems that we've all been afflicted somehow.

Unfortunately, my wrist is healing VERY VERY slowly. I've been trying to draw, but it hasn't been easy. In some ways, it makes me glad that i don't have the pressure of the contest....

I'm looking forward to the results. :)

tan
01-29-2007, 01:04 AM
Tomorrow is the day that the entries are due, and I know that Mum is done with all her pieces because I've already made the rough draft of her final video, so that just means Nominus needs to turn in his entries. I don't know if he'll drop out if he's not done (which I hope not), but I don't think I can extend the date anymore...

Anyway, I'm excited for the final and it'll be great to see what kind of creative and beautiful pieces the two finalists could draw with all this time they got.

ValkyrieWing
01-29-2007, 02:36 AM
Looking forward to seeing everything. :D

Nominus Experse
01-29-2007, 02:52 AM
I won't drop out, but I will tell you now - I do not have as much done as I had hoped.

What I have is what I have.

I had enough time, but I didn't (or wasn't able to) manage it in manner that would allow me to create enough entries.

Of the six or so hours of free time I am granted each day, I could have chosen to work on my entries for at least an hour or so each day. But I did not. My time devoted to the entries was sporadic and haphazard, with great binges and times of restless abandonment.

Perhaps I lost interest in the contest, or perhaps I simply gave up when I was given sickness after sickness for the entirety of a month or so. Or maybe the loss of passion was due largely in part that I could not devote twenty hours (like I wanted) to each particular piece, and was only capable of eight or so, and in a way, felt cheated.

Or perhaps I just didn't care anymore when I scrapped several of my drawings I had ready for this competition.

Whatever the reason, I have less than what was required of by this competition. My feelings on my actions, and lack thereof, are naturally ones that are punctuated by disappointment and shame, and I am also somewhat chagrined.

In the end, it would appear that my choice to try and make it to the end of this competition was made with far too much haste.

I apologize, for what it is worth, (most notably to) Mum, ValkrieWing, and tan.

What is done is done. So be it.

tan
02-10-2007, 04:35 PM
QUICK UPDATE: EoFF's Top Artist is...

Mum!

This is because Nominus Experse disqualified himself for not having enough entries for the final challenge.

I would post her final collection, but I want her to post it herself before this thread gets closed and archived; however, I haven't seen her in awhile and I don't know why she hasn't e-mailed me back. If she doesn't come back soon, I request that one of the CKs archive this thread, and when she does come back I ask that you allow her to post her final collection in a different thread.

Anyway, it was sort of a bittersweet competition the whole way through, and I do want to do this again, but next time we will actually go through preliminaries to be sure that we get the best of the best. Check the Artist's Forum around May for it to come back! :D

ValkyrieWing
02-11-2007, 08:20 PM
Wow...i never thought it would end like this.

Levian
02-11-2007, 08:29 PM
congrats mum :D and happy mothers day~

looking forward to see your work again

tan
02-11-2007, 09:24 PM
Wow...i never thought it would end like this.

Well, I was hoping that the final challenge wouldn't end up like the rest of the competition did (where someone just ended up dropping out and no one gets eliminated, but in this case 2 people dropping out and one person winning the competition). I don't know whether it was the timing of when I gave the challenges, how much time I gave for the challenges, or even just the challenges themselves, but it all sort of just ended up this way. I do believe that this competition did succeed at one thing, though, and that is that it showed the rest of the forum the hidden artistic talents of you, Mum, and Nominus, along with the other competitors, even if they were eliminated. Though it didn't turn out to be a grand finale, I do believe it was a satisfying finale, because at least we got one final collection, rather than naming no one as EoFF's Top Artist because everyone dropped out. As I said before, it was bittersweet.

As for Nominus, I have decided that I will allow him to join the next round of the competition in May if he wants to join it. Though he is a really meticulous artist that does sometimes miss the deadlines, I do believe that if he were to come back it would be a great competition again.

I will be watching the Artist's Forum now and then and deciding on who I want to compete and sending them invitations, so if anyone didn't get to compete this time around, if I notice them they may be able to be in the next round. I have also decided to cut down the number of competitors to 8 (from 12 this round) just so things get moving quicker and people don't have to stay attached to this competition for so long. I may even cut it down to 6 (and the final challenge competitors to 2) but who knows.

I'll see you all in May for the next round of EoFF's Top Artist! :D

Mum
02-11-2007, 11:00 PM
"I would post her final collection, but I want her to post it herself before this thread gets closed and archived; however, I haven't seen her in awhile and I don't know why she hasn't e-mailed me back."

Sorry Tan, I haven't received any emails since you sent the draft of the video. I sent back an email saying a couple of changes and you replied "I'll get your video as soon as I can (I just need to fix a few things with it) and I'll post it on Youtube where everyone can watch it. I'll make the announcement soon and then you can post your final collection and its video."

Thanks for naming me the top artist, even if I did win by default. I feel pleased with the pics that I did and I'm also pleased that I was able to complete each round, so thats something.

Do you have the address of where the video is so I can email it to my friends so they can see? Did you want to send me the final version first?

Mum
02-11-2007, 11:19 PM
I was excited by this final challenge and chose "TIME" as my theme. I drew out 18 pics, completed 12 and chose these final 8 to submit. Tan kindly did the video for me under my direction.

Here are the first 5:

Mum
02-11-2007, 11:26 PM
...and here are the other 3:

(If you hover your mouse over the image it shows the titles)

Clone 01
02-11-2007, 11:47 PM
great pics mum. also to tan i dont mean this in a bad way just something to note: i think the competition was too long drawn out,i no it takes time to do pictures but in some challenges there were multiple pictures had to be drawn and just in my opinion because evrything took so much time people wernt wiling to commit for one reason or another.i think it wud have been more succesful if it was shorter.
maybe u agree maybe u dont but its just something to think about with the next competition.

tan
02-14-2007, 02:59 AM
great pics mum. also to tan i dont mean this in a bad way just something to note: i think the competition was too long drawn out,i no it takes time to do pictures but in some challenges there were multiple pictures had to be drawn and just in my opinion because evrything took so much time people wernt wiling to commit for one reason or another.i think it wud have been more succesful if it was shorter.
maybe u agree maybe u dont but its just something to think about with the next competition.

Oh yeah, I totally agree. I think that's why so many people dropped out. That's why I'm going to just get 6 competitors with less challenges. I mean, yeah, I'm halving how many there are, but it would probably be wiser for people to commit to this competition for 2 months rather than 4 like I did this competition. I mean, 2 months does sound long, but considering I'm giving two weeks per challenge (besides the final challenge)

Anyway, I'm uploading Mum's video on my Youtube account right now, but it's taking too long to upload, so I'll just post the link tomorrow.

Well, I never really gave a proper sendoff to either Nominus nor ValkyrieWing (as I usually when I announce the results) and I didn't fully give Mum the full congratulations, so...

ValkyrieWing, Nominus Experse, you're both erased. Both of you were great competitors, and I really do hope you can compete in the next round! If you don't want to compete, I would also be honored if you either of you could be a judge/guest judge :D

This means that...

Mum, you are EoFF's Top Artist. Thank you for sticking with this competition, and you truly are (and have been) the best artist in this competition. Your collection was great, and, if this thread stays open any longer, I'll post what my comments were going to be about your collection :D

Mum
02-14-2007, 08:53 PM
Ooooh, goody! I can't wait!

tan
02-16-2007, 03:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKI3SroA5Cw

There you go :D

Again, congratulations for winning Mum! You were a great contestant the whole way through.

Breine
02-19-2007, 03:30 PM
Congrats, Mum :) I just saw the video on YouTube, and you've managed to create some truly great pieces - and I loved the way you used your theme.