Final fantasy does have a time line?

[lovehurts]

http://www.trap17.com/index.php/final-fantasy-timeline_t39980.html

This isnt completely updated but....I didnt make this time line up. Im just wondering what ya all think about the idea.

[Zeromus_X]

No. They are not connected. Only VII and X's worlds are stated to exist in the same universe, but that's the only connection. Final Fantasy games are known for never being set in the same continuity (like alot of other RPG series), and that tradition isn't about to change yet.

And why would anyone take so much time to try and figure out all this stuff anyway? I mean, I like all the games, but I'd never do something like that.

[lovehurts]

No. They are not connected. Only VII and X's worlds are stated to exist in the same universe, but that's the only connection. Final Fantasy games are known for never being set in the same continuity (like alot of other RPG series), and that tradition isn't about to change yet.

And why would anyone take so much time to try and figure out all this stuff anyway? I mean, I like all the games, but I'd never do something like that.

:p

I dont know but I was almost impressed as much as I was sorry for him.:D

[Zeromus_X]

Yeah, and this:


I left out 3 becuase honestly, I've never played it.

Should pretty much take away all credibility. If I want an actual FF timeline, then I'd expect the crazy person creating it to have played every single Final Fantasy game. Even Mystic Quest.

[LunarWeaver]

No. They are not connected. Only VII and X's worlds are stated to exist in the same universe, but that's the only connection. Final Fantasy games are known for never being set in the same continuity (like alot of other RPG series), and that tradition isn't about to change yet.

And why would anyone take so much time to try and figure out all this stuff anyway? I mean, I like all the games, but I'd never do something like that.

What about Tactics, Tactics Advance, and XII? WHAT ABOUT IVALICE ZERO!?!

Unless he's only counting the numerals then I fail so nevermind.

[Zeromus_X]

Those are still different Ivalices, because the Tactics team is awesome like that and they can do that.

[LunarWeaver]

Those are still different Ivalices, because the Tactics team is awesome like that and they can do that.

I thought it was just entirely unrelated time periods in the same place... You mean they're entirely different universes period? I do not approve of this Matsuno... I do not approve at all.

[Zeromus_X]

The continents in T and TA don't look alike at all. Granted, you can put most of the location markers in TA anywhere you want, but the shapes of the continents are completely different.

[Rase]

That made me smile, in a "It seems someone forgot their medicine" way. :)

[Zeromus_X]

Yeah, they don't even bother to give in-game reference or other sources for their information (not like there is any).

My favorite part is this one:


When FF4, comes around, the kingdoms have situated themselves around the elemental shrines to protect the crystals. The underground dwarves probably found a lost moogle city. The moogles probably created the Bab-el Tower, Giant, 4 backup crystals in case the 4 from above were taken, and a way to their homeland of eidolons. Moogles are lesser eidolons, and they can sometimes be summoned in some FFs. The Summoners, now known as Callers, have been rediscovered, but are seen as a threat and are mostly wiped out. Golbez and Garland could be incarnations of each other, since they're both Lunars, as could KluYa and Kuja. Since the discovery of an airship in the last era, engineers have been competing to build the most and best airships. The Big Whale could be the remains of the Dreadnought from FF2. The Eidolons, through the gate which the moogles made, may now be made physically manifest on Earth, (the name changed from Gaia to Earth somewhere in there) as well as be summoned. Chocobos are now an entire species, which are easily domesticated. And the moogles have finished their savepoint prototypes. Although the second moon is supposedly expelled at the end, it will probably come back later.
In FF5, the world has gone soft, so Death comes down from the second moon and paves the way for his invasion by shattering the crystals. These shards are able to be used to give job classes, but later are discovered as the first magicite. The eidolons are still manifest. Since airships are useless due to certain elements being destroyed with the crystals, they're dismantled for better use.

This one is good too:


FF8 reaches the pinnacle of technology, but at the same time begins an evironmental movement inspired by the Lifestream Crisis in FF7. Instead of manufacturing materia, magic is allowed to flow freely through the planet and one's body, getting rid of a lot of the harmful side-effects in FF7's materia. The lifestream flows are cultivated into draw points and Espers, now known as Guardian Forces, are able to manifest themselves anywhere. Airships aren't really used because of the environmental damage they cause. The one city able to make airships that are safe, Esthar, closes itself off from the rest of the world that takes place from another war earlier. Lunatic Pandora is a chunk of the moon, and the second moon produces the Lunar Cry as a means of invasion. Chocobos are nearly extinct and exist in only a few forests. Moogles have evolved to Shuumi, who evolve into Moombas. Everything would be hunky-dory if not for Ultimecia a sorceress from the future, who was driven insane by the loss of her love. She controls sorceresses in the present, has lots of GFs by her side, and wishes to destroy all of time. SeeD is created in order to battle her, and after it wins, SeeD disbands.

Finally FFX. The story is pretty well-explained, and basically the technological worls was destroyed by Sin. Yu Yevon, tha last Lunar, managed to succeed in taking over the world and became the center of his own religion. Magic is still ingrained in some humans so Black Mages like Lulu exist, and other times it naturally solidifies to create spheres, which are similar to materia but not as deadly. The Moombas evolve into Ronsos. The second moon is the Farplane, and Yu Yevon creates a ritual that turns humans into the only possible channels for Espers, now called Aeons, to manifest, thus making the Aeons his slaves until Yuna comes along.

I could stop there but why should I? FFTactics would fit in just between FF5 and FF6, right before the Industrial Revolution, and the shards of the crystals would be used in the artificial summoner horns so that they could be used. The Zodiac Demons are actually the Weapons, which explains why not all the demons are defeated. FFTacticsAdvance would be just before FFX, since the world is fairly technologically modern until the book changes it. And for the record, the reason Red Mages use the color red is not because it's a combination of Black and White magic. It's because the Red Mages are versatile in every magic and skill, so they express their individuality as being Red Mages. which really doesn't explain Blue Mages though....Anyone got an explanation for those? Discuss.


Hell, the whole thing is hilarious.

[LunarWeaver]

He asked for an explanation of Blue Mages and I shall now provide!:

You see, Smurfs were blue creatures that lived together in a secluded village. This village has existed since time's origin itself. Each Smurf stood out from one another by having different attributes, such as painting or having red pants. Each Smurf was born with their gift and used it to the benefit of life in the village.

Eventually, the main Crystal from Final Fantasy IX's world was teleported through time when Squall tried to stop time compression as a side effect. It landed in Smurf village. When they came in contact with the Crystal, it allowed them to share memories with each other, which caused their abilities to be copied from Smurf to Smurf.

Smurfs grew fur, became white, and grew wings, much like animal versions of angels, for they had reached a new stage of evolution. Their vocal chords expanded beyond the simple "Smurf" into the word "Kupo", and the new species was named "Moogle".

Moogles are larger than the previous underdeveloped Smurf species, and could no longer stay within their tiny village. The Moogle elders came together to form a pact: "We, who possess the power of ultimate memory, must help others. We will keep books that will preserve other's memories, or 'save' their adventure for them, and we shall share our powers with other species."

When other species were taught the Moogle's newfound abilities of copying, they used the Lifestream to enhance the portion of their brain that contains untapped psychic abilities. This allowed them to copy enemy's abilities by reading their minds.

Moogles named their mystic art "Blue Magic" in honor of their previous blue color, before the wonderful Crystal that changed everything. Thus, all that used the Moogle art were named "Blue Mages."

[Tavrobel]

This has got to be the worst and lamest attempt at spreading false information that I've ever seen.

Leaves out IIIj, MQ, T, TA, and 5-U. Disgrace.


(1) Japanese guy makes a video game -> (2) People buy it -> (3) Japanese guy makes sequels -> (4) Repeat 2 and 3 -> (5) Lather, rinse, repeat.


Best quote ever.

[The Crystal]

FFT and FFVII are not conected? Because i remember that is possible to play with Cloud in Tactics(he is teleported out of his time, or something like that).

[boys from the dwarf]

FFT and FFVII are probably in different universes there just as linked as all of the other FFs. i believe all FFs are set in different universe because enemies like kuja and X-death try to end all existence and it would be a bit wierd if kuja destroys the crystal and that means FF1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 are all destroyed. and seems as the things that make up the worlds and all of the universe are usually different, FF must be all in different universes. i dont believe FF7 and FFX are in the same world because although FFx-2 has a reference to FF7, the lifestream and the farplane are similar but too different for itto be the same world. i think you may notice that a lot of the world maps are similar but FF is pretty much never the same planet. its just references.

[YTDN]

If FF's were linked, they'd have to go over the span of tens, probably hundreds of thousands of years, and there's have to be some horribel disaster between each game to completely change the map and cause all evidence of the last game to be eradicated.

[XandrewX]

I agree with yuffie...I cannot be linked together...well at least FF9 and FF8 couldn't in my point of view...Like FF8 is obviously more advance than FF9.I mean the world.So...it don't make any sense...And...other points is like what Yuffie said.

[Roto13]

VII and X are in the same universe?

[No.78]

Why is everyone taking the piss outta this guy? It's interesting. OPEN YOUR MINDS.

[Slothy]

VII and X are in the same universe?

Some like to think so based on a comment that came from someone who worked on FFX or X-2 that FFVII takes place in the same world but in the future, and a comment from the character Shinra in X-2 that references the possibility of Mako energy. None of this has ever been officially confirmed by Square or any of the higher ups in either games development though, and it could easily just be a little reference thrown in for FFVII fans that's been blown out of proportion. At best, you still have the problem of thousands of years seperating the games (based on the world maps not lining up), and even still, the history of the FFVII world doesn't reconcile with the events of FFX and X-2 at all if you ask me, so even if they take place in the same universe, that's the only connection, and a rather irrelevant one.

[Tavrobel]

VII and X are in the same universe?

People suspect that it is, because of a comment made by Shinra in FFX-2, in chapter five. He states that based on the energy output of the Farplane, the energy stored there would be enough to power a city the size of the original Zanarkand for eternity because of how the energy works (basically, Pyreflies == Lifestream). Also, there was a statement by the scenario writers, that at one point, FFVII and X-2 could be related because of this concept, story-wise, but it was ultimately thrown out, yet referenced.

As though FF hasn't borrowed previous game concepts before.


Why is everyone taking the piss outta this guy? It's interesting. OPEN YOUR MINDS.

It's not interesting, nor is it accurate, and neither is it of any use or plausible.

[Griff]

The Moombas evolve into Ronsos

I laughed my ass off when I read this.

[Silvercry]

Fortunately I saved myself a lot of time by skipping ahead to the replies and reading this guys opinion that The Spirits Within takes place after FF VIII. Never mind that the Sprits Within in clearly set on Earth - OUR Earth - in the years 2065. Unlike every other Final Fantasy ever, which has never claimed to be set on Earth.

Gotta give this guy an A for his creativity though. And an F for plausibility and accuracy.

[Zeromus_X]

VII and X are linked because Nojima is a funny guy.

[Bolivar]

Fortunately I saved myself a lot of time by skipping ahead to the replies and reading this guys opinion that The Spirits Within takes place after FF VIII. Never mind that the Sprits Within in clearly set on Earth - OUR Earth - in the years 2065. Unlike every other Final Fantasy ever, which has never claimed to be set on Earth.

Gotta give this guy an A for his creativity though. And an F for plausibility and accuracy.

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong.

If you play FFIV, it is explained that a small planet appeared in our solar system, as the game states it was between two planets that it specifically distinguishes by name. I don't remember which ones, but it was two planets in our solar system, I think Saturn and Jupiter.

In FFVII, when Sephiroth summons Super Nova, you see a giant ball of energy consume all the planets past Earth, starting with Pluto (it states the name of the planet on the screen), then crashes into the sun which proceeds to engulf Mercury and Venus, then it comes towards an Earth-looking planet and that's when it hits the party.

I think there is a continuity in the FF series, but definately not the way this guy presented it. I think you'd have to beat all of them to determine that. The fact that Garland popped up in 9, with an NPC saying that he had tried to do this before, is enough to suggest that.

[ljkkjlcm9]

In FFVII, when Sephiroth summons Super Nova, you see a giant ball of energy consume all the planets past Earth, starting with Pluto (it states the name of the planet on the screen), then crashes into the sun which proceeds to engulf Mercury and Venus, then it comes towards an Earth-looking planet and that's when it hits the party.


It's too bad Pluto isn't a planet :goofy:

Either way, there is no time line, and what difference does it make what planet it's on. I'm sure they make it on planets that are suppose to be like earth so the player can connect to it more, but to honestly try and make a timeline of the games is absurd.

THE JACKEL

[Bolivar]

It's too bad Pluto isn't a planet :goofy:

At the time it was :choc2:

[Zeromus_X]

It's (FFIV and FFVI's Earth) still a different, fictional Earth. Not our own Earth.

I haven't seen Spirits Within, but I do know that New York is a city in it. Is the continental structure of the Earth in that movie the same?

[Slothy]

As far as I know, Spirits Within is supposed to take place in the future of our real world earth which is what I think silvercry was getting at. Any other FF that makes reference to the planet being earth (and there are several) is obviously not our earth at any point in it's history, and it's doubtful they'd even be representing a future version of our planet.

[Kefka_Almighty]

I think there is a continuity in the FF series, but definately not the way this guy presented it. I think you'd have to beat all of them to determine that. The fact that Garland popped up in 9, with an NPC saying that he had tried to do this before, is enough to suggest that.

I'm afraid I have to disagree. FF IX was a game that was purposely made to have several references to past FF games, and that's all they were ever intended to be: references. I remember reading somewhere (PSM, I believe, but I can't state for certain) back when FF IX came out that they were doing all the references to past games because FF IX was going to be the last original FF in the traditional mold. Thus, FF IX returned to the games' fantasy roots and left a bunch of winks and nods to fans of the game.

Are there connections between the games? No, or at least not any as so substantial as to say that they affect one another. Are there similiarities? Certainly, but similarities do not necessarily created connections between the games.

[vorpal blade]

The Moombas evolve into Ronsos.
Really? I thought they turned into whatever Red XIII is.

Also, how can FFTA be related to ANY other FF game when it takes place in a fictional dream-world?


If FF's were linked, they'd have to go over the span of tens, probably hundreds of thousands of years, and there's have to be some horribel disaster between each game to completely change the map and cause all evidence of the last game to be eradicated.


Not necessarilly; the world in FFVI changes drastically in what I'm assuming was at most a few days. All you need is the horrible disaster, not time.
Speaking of which, this guy seems to have a lot of it. While some parts of it are interesting (namely the part about Gogo and the Zone Eater village thing, but that's it) it is pretty much illogical. If I were a teacher, I'd give it a B for creativity but a D for logic and argument. And some more homework, because he really has too much time on his hands.

[Kefka_Almighty]

Not necessarilly; the world in FFVI changes drastically in what I'm assuming was at most a few days. All you need is the horrible disaster, not time.

True to a degree, but the actual degredation of the world occured over a year, as stated when Celes wakes up in the cottage Cid set up; he tells her that she'd been unconscious for about a year and that, over that time period, Kefka had been methodically destroying the world. So while in theory that is true, it is implied in most of the FF games that the world-shaking calamities occur in a time period spanning more than a few days, except for the destruction of Midgar at the end of Final Fantasy 7, if you really can count that as a tragedy.

[The Crystal]

I think there is a continuity in the FF series, but definately not the way this guy presented it. I think you'd have to beat all of them to determine that. The fact that Garland popped up in 9, with an NPC saying that he had tried to do this before, is enough to suggest that.

I'm afraid I have to disagree. FF IX was a game that was purposely made to have several references to past FF games, and that's all they were ever intended to be: references. I remember reading somewhere (PSM, I believe, but I can't state for certain) back when FF IX came out that they were doing all the references to past games because FF IX was going to be the last original FF in the traditional mold. Thus, FF IX returned to the games' fantasy roots and left a bunch of winks and nods to fans of the game.

Are there connections between the games? No, or at least not any as so substantial as to say that they affect one another. Are there similiarities? Certainly, but similarities do not necessarily created connections between the games.

Garland used the spell "Fusion" to fuse Gaia and Terra by force. This is why Mikoto said that he had tried to do this before.
And another wrong point in his theory, is that he said that Terra is a moon of Gaia, but the truth is that Terra is in the core of Gaia.

[Bolivar]

I think there is a continuity in the FF series, but definately not the way this guy presented it. I think you'd have to beat all of them to determine that. The fact that Garland popped up in 9, with an NPC saying that he had tried to do this before, is enough to suggest that.

I'm afraid I have to disagree. FF IX was a game that was purposely made to have several references to past FF games, and that's all they were ever intended to be: references. I remember reading somewhere (PSM, I believe, but I can't state for certain) back when FF IX came out that they were doing all the references to past games because FF IX was going to be the last original FF in the traditional mold. Thus, FF IX returned to the games' fantasy roots and left a bunch of winks and nods to fans of the game.

Are there connections between the games? No, or at least not any as so substantial as to say that they affect one another. Are there similiarities? Certainly, but similarities do not necessarily created connections between the games.

Garland used the spell "Fusion" to fuse Gaia and Terra by force. This is why Mikoto said that he had tried to do this before.
And another wrong point in his theory, is that he said that Terra is a moon of Gaia, but the truth is that Terra is in the core of Gaia.


thanks for both you guys for clearin' that up.

But what about this one:

"Where is the dimensional interval?" - Gilgamesh in FFVIII

and don't compare this to Kingdom Hearts