Hmm, possibly a stupid question. *Spoilers possible I guess*

[ValiantKnight]

Alot of the spells don't really have spell descriptions or i'm looking in the wrong place for them...

FFChronicles version.

Most of the spells I know from FF1, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, Tactics. Some are flaky though and don't seem to do anything.
I'm inside Fabul at the moment, and it's not too hard, although things hit anyone except Cecil for alot of damage.

That brings up my main question... any way to change row for just one party member? I try using row.. but it switches them all around.. not just one. Currently that leaves Cecil, Edward, and Rydia in front and Yang/Rosa in the back.

As Edward hides every time he gets hit almost... its growing frustrating to keep him alive and in the battle/nonhidden so he can level(not sure if he gets experience when hiding but he hasn't been growing lately)

So basically any info on changing rows to where i can put the fraidy cat in the backrow with rydia and rosa while keeping yang and cecil in the front row would help.

Cecil is around lvl 18 or so, Rosa 12 i think, Rydia 14 or 15. Yang 12 or so... and Edward 11 or 12.

[Kawaii Ryûkishi]

You can either have two in front and three in back or vice versa. And you're free to switch characters around within the party, so you should have no problem getting the setup you want.

[ValiantKnight]

Ah, thanks Kawaii

*edit*

erm no spoiler tag when editing but.

A dragoon utterly defeated me and stole something.. then we got on a ship and sort of ran into something that wrecked the ship.. and now im in a village where the people cast toad and pig and mini on me alot .... yet still let me buy weapons and armor and items...

Is this normal ? :) or did I mess up somewhere.

The little boy has a nice attitude....

S'up dude :)

[abrojtm]

Yea, thats normal. That dragoon was Cain.

[Zeromus_X]

That's just a normal part of the story. You didn't screw up or anything. :p

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[ValiantKnight]

Aye I knew the dragoon, just wanted to... make it spoilerfree as I could since I didn't have the spoiler tag.

Currently in Baron again and Yang joined the party. The two kids are cute :)

I was beginning to think this was going to be like Tactics, where everyone dies every 5minutes.... and the death toll for the game is in the hundreds.... but at least Yang is alive, and no one else is dead it looks like... Not sure if Rydia lived..

Ok I was wrong... Porom...... Palom..... Rydia probably too... The king.... so many dead.. Yep, I'm going to be like Tellah... Golbez is definately DEAD... So IV is like Tactics... in which everyone in the story except 10 characters die..?

Also the damage in this game seems a bit random.. sometimes Yang will hit for 50, other times 300....
But it is definately getting a little harder for my lvl 20-22 party as we just got asked by Kain to go get a crystal. Nothing super hard.. but mini sure does lower defense..... MINI! /slash for 400 damage.



Hate to double post... but... an edit doesn't bump the topic.. and don't really want to create a new one.

level 26-28ish.. and just easily beat the 3 sisters...
Quite easy actually.

Yet... the boss after them... 500 max melee attack, Petrify over time... Casts Wind at random while in Tornado to bring a character to 1-9hp,
(I don't attack with anyone else but Kain, and still does Wind 1-2 times before Kain stops the boss.

Rosa is 700hp, the rest are 1000-1400... any special hints here?
I can't remember if Rosa has armor or not, will try casting more of that, but the boss attacks just insanely fast....

I'm assuming the simplest answer is to go gain another 5 levels like I did for the Mangetic fellow.... as the dragon there killed Telah in one hit, then my other characters pretty much died trying to get Tellah back up. 5 levels and a group armor later, and he wasn't as bad.

Seems IV is the story of Tactics combined with the difficulty of FF1.
ie... things hit very hard and you aren't meant to just go through a dungeon fighting every single battle because it will severely drain your MP... and things just hit very hard compared to later FFs?

Is a nice challenge after playing FFX... which had less challenge... until the arena.

Edit by Kishi: Don't double-post. This forum isn't so busy that you need to worry about your thread getting lost in the shuffle anyway.

[Paul]

Hate to double post... but... an edit doesn't bump the topic.. and don't really want to create a new one.i agree, but logic like this doesn't fly around these parts, my friend...


Rosa is 700hp, the rest are 1000-1400... any special hints here?
I can't remember if Rosa has armor or not, will try casting more of that, but the boss attacks just insanely fast.... make sure rosa is on the back row so she is damaged less.


Seems IV is the story of Tactics combined with the difficulty of FF1.
ie... things hit very hard and you aren't meant to just go through a dungeon fighting every single battle because it will severely drain your MP... and things just hit very hard compared to later FFs?IV isn't an easy game, but you shouldn't be trying to scrape through a dungeon running from battles and JUST ABOUT killing the boss. if you are running from battles it means you need to level more.

also a good tip is when healing outside battle, cast cure1 several times to fill health. overall it uses less MP than casting higher cure spells.

[ValiantKnight]

This is true.
However when playing Final Fantasy 1, the normal version.. if you are beating it at anything below 35.. you are running from battles in the final dungeon usually..... At least for me there are far too many monsters there that deplete MP reserves far too quickly.

I was merely saying FFIV seems to be like that... where in later FFs, you could walk around in a dungeon infinitely it seemed because of easier to access curative items or larger MP pools, or weaker enemies.

I will do a bit more leveling.

I am mostly battling my way through the dungeons. I have a good supply of tents, and use them at save points regularly, but one battle can easily easily easily take half of Cecil's MP to cure the party and sometimes half of Tellah's too.
Can go into the battle with Cecil 1200, Cid 1100, Yang 1500, Tellah 520, and come out at around Cecil 400, Cid 600, Yang 300, Tellah 150.
Yang and Cecil are in the Front Row.

enemies attack very fast, and even in wait mode.. they don't seem to wait unless you are on an item or spell menu, and most things are hitting upfront characters for 100-200 a hit and getting 3-4 attacks per fight before they can be dispatched.

I like the fact its more like Final Fantasy 1, just makes it a little tougher. Will just have to level a little more or get luckier.

I guess its mostly just the enemies speed.
They get attack after attack after attack... where in FF1, enemies might hit hard, yes.. but they didn't attack 2 or 3 times to my 1 turn.
For all the loading times and slowness of animations... the speed of the monster's turns is disproportional is basically it. Typically after Cecil attacks, then Yang and Cid attack, then Tellah casts Cure on someone, and its back to Cecil, every enemy on the screen has attacked twice, if not 3 times.

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and sorry Kishi..
it was stupid to double post, I thought it would be missed because when you edit, it doesn't classify it as a new post, and people would look at the FFIV forum and see no new posts and move on to one of the more... busier forums. In looking back I am sorry.

*edit*

got 1-2 more levels.. then tried again.. This time set battle speed to 5 instead of 2....
Insanely easier fight. She hurt but she didn't just... bam bam bam.. dead... game over.
Game is a LOT easier on slower battle speeds :)
Don't know if thats cheating or not.

[Elite Lord Sigma]

Ah, yes. Here is a major spoiler. Don't read it unless you don't care about some of the characters.

Rydia is not dead. You get her back once you enter the Dwarven Castle in the Underworld. Palom and Porom are merely petrified, and get restored later by the Mysidian Elder. Golbez is only very weakened by Meteor. Yang doesn't die either, you find him later in the Sylph Cave. Tellah, on the other hand, is permanently dead. He is the only character in the game that dies permanently, except for the real King of Baron.

[Captain Maxx Power]

He is the only character in the game that dies permanently, except for the real King of Baron.

And Anna and Zemus and Doctor Lugae

[Cruise Control]

Who the hell is doctor Lugae? Did I miss something?

[Jowy]

Dr. Lugae was the boss at the end of the Tower of Babel during your first excursion there. He brings out Balnab the robot to fight alongside him.

[Evastio]

Who the hell is doctor Lugae? Did I miss something?

He's the maker of Balnab which is a machine/zombie boss that you fight.

[ValiantKnight]

Currently down in the ... erm hole in the mountain.

Someone just rejoined the party, and someone left it...
and now heading to a tower while someone is weak and not in it we hope according to the king's idea.

Or in other words.... went to the underworld, Rydia somehow healed paralyse, killed Golbez's Summon, and we beat him up a little. Now the king opened a path through the mountain to some Tower... Probably going to hear there... didnt look like there was much to explore down here in the underworld on the castle side of the mountain. Hope underworld is the correct term... as I don't remember at the moment.
I may level up a bit more though... one member only has 600 hp, and another 900~

[Cruise Control]

He's the maker of Balnab which is a machine/zombie boss that you fight.Oh, no wonder I didn't know.

[ValiantKnight]

Fast Foward a bit

58
59
61
59
57

-Edge
Mura
Masa
Genji
Ninja
Genji

-Cecil
Ragna
Crystal
Crystal
Crystal
Crystal

-Rydia
FireLash

Ribbon
Minerva
Protect

-Kain
Dragon
HolyLance
Dragon
Dragon
Dragon

-Rosa
Lunar

Ribbon
White
Protect

***

Thats so far.
I went a little further than that and saw some story and decided to call it a night, so everything is saved cept those last couple fumas and elxir.
I'll probably have to level a bit more, but I'll try tommorow :) Thanks for the help so far.

Someone had told me you could use weapons and items in battle for certain effects... ie a cure staff. When I tried this however, I can't seem to get items to work in battle at all.

Also it may just be me, but the genji armor seems to take extra damage from lightning. I put it on Kain at first, and he was a walking lightning rod... taking 1500-2000 dmg from blitz attacks from floating dragons(Ryu somethings...)
I upgraded him to dragon from that, when cecil got crystal, and put the genji on edge. Now edge gets zapped for 1500+ and kain gets 400~

and.. Is there anyway to play as Yang, Cid, Palom, Porom, etc.... or is that only for tactics advance.?(After them leaving the party that is)

Lastly... I guess you can't help but browse some FF4 forums and not see tales about Pink tails. Well I looked into them a little... and wondered if the chronicles version has them in the same room as the SNES version.

ie from the save point in the three doored building.. back up to the door.. then through that room.. exiting south.. then around the map there... up through a walkway between two treasures chests that fork to the left and right.. then appearing on a previous floor... there is a room to the right with a sole treasure chest on the right wall..

Sorry if I'm a bother again.
I'm playing the FFChronicles version.. PSX.

[feioncastor]

Fast Foward a bit

58
59
61
59
57

-Edge
Mura
Masa
Genji
Ninja
Genji

-Cecil
Ragna
Crystal
Crystal
Crystal
Crystal

-Rydia
FireLash

Ribbon
Minerva
Protect

-Kain
Dragon
HolyLance
Dragon
Dragon
Dragon

-Rosa
Lunar

Ribbon
White
Protect

***

Thats so far.
I went a little further than that and saw some story and decided to call it a night, so everything is saved cept those last couple fumas and elxir.
I'll probably have to level a bit more, but I'll try tommorow :) Thanks for the help so far.

Someone had told me you could use weapons and items in battle for certain effects... ie a cure staff. When I tried this however, I can't seem to get items to work in battle at all.
I've never heard of using weapons in battle in this game. I know that's an FF1 thing, but I don't know about this one.




Also it may just be me, but the genji armor seems to take extra damage from lightning. I put it on Kain at first, and he was a walking lightning rod... taking 1500-2000 dmg from blitz attacks from floating dragons(Ryu somethings...)
I upgraded him to dragon from that, when cecil got crystal, and put the genji on edge. Now edge gets zapped for 1500+ and kain gets 400~

If your personal tests confirm that the Genji Armor makes you weak to Lit, then go with that. I've never had an issue with that, mostly because enemies don't get a chance to use Lit on me. Cuz I rock.


and.. Is there anyway to play as Yang, Cid, Palom, Porom, etc.... or is that only for tactics advance.?(After them leaving the party that is)
I'll assume you mean FFIVAdvance. And no, there is way to customize your party in anyway in FF4. That was a feature that was added to FF4A just to spice things up a bit. Furthermore, I fail to see the logic in Yang still being able to fight, after taking a blast from a cannon powerful enough to wipe out the entire Dwarven Kingdom., but they didn't ask what I thought about it.



Lastly... I guess you can't help but browse some FF4 forums and not see tales about Pink tails. Well I looked into them a little... and wondered if the chronicles version has them in the same room as the SNES version.
Actually, there is a trick in the PSX version that makes it easier to land pink tails. You see, you can come across these items called "Alarms" (I believe) and they summon a random battle when you use them. If you use an Alarm in the Pink Tail room, you'll encounter some Pink Puffs. Actually acquiring a Pink Tail is still ridiculously uncommon.



ie from the save point in the three doored building.. back up to the door.. then through that room.. exiting south.. then around the map there... up through a walkway between two treasures chests that fork to the left and right.. then appearing on a previous floor... there is a room to the right with a sole treasure chest on the right wall..

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From memory, it doesn't seem to me that you have right room. I don't remember a treasure chest being present in the Pink Puff room, but I haven't been in that room for about 2 years, so I may be off.

EDIT - No, you have the right room. My bad.

And a leveling tip for ya. The Dark Sages that attack in sets of 3 give excellent exp (on par with Behemoth and Red Dragons) and they're much easier and require much less healing and MP wasting. I fought about 10 million of those to get everyone at least to level 60. If you're at least 60, you can probably take the big baddie at the bottom of the moon.

[ValiantKnight]

Further reading/looking found that as far as I know... only Sentry/Alarm type enemies drop/steal alarms..... and well you can't exactly get back into the tower or any place with them at least that i've tried. So being that I have no alarms and am on the moon.. i'm guessing pink tails are a ultra rarity instead of a super rarity.
However I will level in the pinkpuff room for 10~ levels just to see a chance.

The only monsters that seem to appear in that room are Ryu(forgive spelling) of both kinds... King and Ging. and the Trickster.. at least that I saw. Though that was only about 50 battles.

Thanks for the rest of the info

I assume Dark Sage = Warlock(appears with Kary in Bahamut's place... and appears with a D. Bone in the moon often). Casts Fire2, Wind(reduce HP to single digits), and psych(steal MP)?

[feioncastor]

That's the guy. You'll have to forgive me, they're called "Dark Sage" in FF4A. You know the floor with the save point, the D. Lunars and Plague? If you go up the stairs to the left of the save point room, you'll be on the floor right above. On that floor, I seem to fight only Warlocks in sets of 3, over and over, with the occasional Ryu thrown into it. I usually enter the battle by having my meleers (Cecil, Kain and Edge) all attack a different Warlock, and then have Rydia summon Bahamut. Once they've all taken a hit and a Bahamut, they'll usually be dead. Because it's so close in proximity to the save point, it's easy to stock up on Cabins, and then just go use one when Rydia runs out of MP.

[ValiantKnight]

aye.

Gave a go at the big guy.
He likes Big Bang btw :)
1700-2600 per character.

Rosa Cure4 all ..
1300-1800 per character.

only a matter of time.
I'm contemplating having cecil do Cure2 group everyturn as well... however he still has flare which will hurt.
I got off about 3 bahamuts, and 3-4 attacks with cecil, before he just started stacking the big bangs and after a bang + flare took out rydia and then it was difficult to try to revive her and keep the others healed.

Reviving her with lifes(item) usually brought her into a big bang.. and well guess what.. she's dead again.

Eventually he got lucky and knocked someone else out... and it balloons from there.

Edge 3100
Cecil 4300
Rydia 2600
Kain 4050
Rosa 3080

ish~
Time to go get 10 more levels or so... or try to fight him with maybe only Cecil, Rydia and Rosa... Rosa's Cure4 would do about 2600? per character then... I'm guessing and as long as he didn't get a lucky flare in... they should stay alive longer.

[feioncastor]

Don't forget to have Edge throw stuff. If you got the Crystal sword from the wyrm, you can throw the Excalibur at him (assuming you got the excalibur from Kokol). And any other weapons you have, throw those too. You won't be needing them after this.

I believe that the cracking sound is the warning that a Big Bang is coming. You should have Rosa use Cure 4 anytime that cracking and flashing is going on.

A good thing to help with the curing is Asura. There is a chance that it will be lame and use Life1 on everyone, but it's even more likely to get a Cure3 or Cure4, healing around 3,000 a head.

[ValiantKnight]

/nod
Tried again at 62/62/64/62/60

He still beat me up pretty good.
Rosa has to Cure4 or Cure3 every turn.. period.. no matter what.. end of sentence... Rosa doesnt get the luxury of casting life2 or any other spell than group cure3/4.

Double big bang kills everyone but cecil and kain.. and then they die trying to revive others.

Zeromus even at a 5 speed rating(6 is slowest) still gets about 3 turns to Rosa's 1. This almost ensures at some point that he will get a double big bang inbetween Rosa's Cure4s. A double big bang at this HP level = death.

Edge threw excalibur and Knife, then died. Rydia summoned bahamut once, then died... 2800 hp vs 1700-2600 big bang = nope...
Kain lived for a while but died cause he cant be healed while jumping.
At one point it was just Cecil and Rosa, and rosa could keep up with the damage with just Cure3, but Cecil would need to kill ugly in 25~ attacks or less and im not sure his 4000 per round is enough.

When I get bored, I'm going to try it once more with just Cecil and Rosa, and no one else.... not sure how im going to work that to make sure the rest die and they dont. perhaps then I will have the speed and mana efficiency to last long enough to kill him.....
Speedy pain in the.. he is.

It's got nothing to do with his damage.. it's just my parties inability to take 2 big bangs and rosa's inability to fully heal 5 characters for a full big bang.. and Zeromus's insane speed to give him the ability to at some point get 2 big bangs in there.

*edit*
Lvled to 66/66/68/66/64
Rydia now with 3300hp, Edge/Rosa at 3800, Cecil at 5000, Kain at 4700

Set it to slowest batspeed and msg speed.

And for some reason he didnt big bang this often this time.... He never killed more than 2 characters. Rydia summoned everyone back with a life1 asura late in the going.. and Rosa's cure4 augmented by Cecil's Cure2 with an elixir from edge or kain now and then to keep rosa alive. 5 bahamuts, 4-6 cecil attacks, throwing excalibur, fumas, and knife, and a few jumps from kain later...

Nice ending :)
He's still rather hard compared to any other FF end boss i've played besides possibly FF9.
FF1, 6-8, 10. Tactics had some really tough ones too though.

Now.... To try for the pink tail..... lvl to 99.... or .... switch to another game:

FFX(beaten... need to complete more of the sphere grid and beat Ultima Buster and the final monster arena fight)
FF6(I had gotten all the way to the final tower and had a save point just before... lvling up to get a little stronger as I was low 40s and getting my rear kicked a little.... then lost the save to corruption... so starting from scratch)
DQ8(finish getting my 99/99/93/99 party to 99 and maxing skills from stealing seeds or restarting a new game)
FF5 or FF2(havent started either)
or something else :)