Yoda vs. Gandalf, who is the king of all GOOD?

[Malboro_Menace]

So we've had plenty of EVIL fights but who's the King of all Good?

[NINJA_Ryu]

Well, to show that im not a total star war fanboi, i have to go with Gandalf.

Sure, yoda has the jumps, twirls, and cool greeness, but lets set it up straight.

Yodas largest match: Palpatine
yoda lost that one (retreat= loss)

Gandalfs largest match : The Balrog
Gandalf wins that one

Yoda dies
Gandalf lives

Gandalfs power beats yodas power. Magic owns the force (im talking about the cosmic destructive power of magic vs the light side of the force)



and my basis is the movies, and i have not read the books in any great detail.

[Fuego]

i have only known gandalf to use fireworks or something like that ... thats pretty lame ... i don't really follow the lore of either so i am goin at this pretty blind and only from what i have read or watched as a young boy .... and yoda can pick up an X-wing (i think) and move it with the force as well as build a lightsaber ... that in my book wins so yoda for me :D plus he is a green midget ! THAT ROCKS !

[LunarWeaver]

Yoda is green and looks like a :pickle: and I need no other reason then that.

[Araciel]

i dunno...as with most of these questions i'd have to say neither. faced with having to choose one anyway....it's hard, since in the original trilogy, ep 4/5/6 yoda was more huggy-feely and kind...in the new trilogy he was more hard assed and blunt.

gandalf, however, is almost always kind with his friends and fierce with his enemies...though this isn't the absolute measure of goodness it's definatly a good one...

i would say gandalf. even though he was involved in only saving middle earth and not multiple planets and systems, he just seems more good to me

a better contest would be to ask who is the wiser of the two

[Tavrobel]

Technically, Gandalf's biggest fight was probably during the last battles of Beleriand, where the Maiar were instructed to destroy Angband and restrain Melkor. Gandalf may kill Durin's Bane, but he also dies (and is sent back by the Valar). His power requires that a staff be used, as compared to Yoda, whose skills are always there; he only uses a Lightsaber to defend himself against another Lightsaber.

Yoda gets to fight Palpatine, but he also dies of natural causes, and despite that, he can still exist because of Qui Gonn's revelations. In this case, the Force would overpower Gandalf's abilities, since in both the movies and the books, his ability to use Magic is restrained by the Valar, not that he uses it at any other point in his history, since Magic as we know it does not technically exist in M-E. However, as a celestial spirit, the powers of Gandalf are as of yet, unknown in their fullest.

But Raoul Duke would pwn the both of them, simply because he speaks for the author and voices his opinions, rather than being a tool of the author.

[Psychotic]

Gandalf. Yoda fell hook, line and sinker for the plot of the Emperor, causing the Jedi order to be all but wiped out and the galaxy to be enslaved. Admittedly this was rectified later but it's still a massive failure. Conversely, both Sauron and Saruman fell hook, line and sinker for Gandalf's plans.

[Miriel]

Gandalf is sexier than Yoda so obviously he wins. :D

[Spiffing Cheese]

Gandalf said "Fool of a Took!" and "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!"

Therefore he wins.

[Rye]

Gandalf is just amazing, and while Yoda is cool too, Paul was right with what he said about him. Also: "A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to."

Plus Gandalf has a nice staff. :bigsmile:

[sephirothishere]

in the movies of lotr...everyone seems goofy to me....but goin by the books...gandalf would win...and goin by the most recent episodes of star wars yoda would put up a good fight.....but would drop his walkin stick and gandalf would probably step on him by accident....

[Venom]

Yoda.

[Novaris]

Little green elf men with lazer sticks that can jump around and kill stuff is much more good-like than the actions of a wizard. Yoda wins. zoom zoom zoom zoom *slice* :D

[Griff]

Raoul Duke, because if I remember correctly that is what the filter always changes Chu ck Nor ris to

[Vincent, Thunder God]

Gandalf. Yoda fell hook, line and sinker for the plot of the Emperor, causing the Jedi order to be all but wiped out and the galaxy to be enslaved. Admittedly this was rectified later but it's still a massive failure. Conversely, both Sauron and Saruman fell hook, line and sinker for Gandalf's plans.

QFT

[theundeadhero]

Gandalf isn't even really a life form. He's one of three gaurdians the Valar sent to watch over their creation and guide it. His magic comes from the divination of the gods. Yoda is a lifeform and capable of manipulating the force, which is basically magic. Yoda would win.

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to Suaramon's unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

[daggertrepe]

Yoda.

[Miriel]

Gandalf isn't even really a life form. He's one of three gaurdians the Valar sent to watch over their creation and guide it. His magic comes from the divination of the gods. Yoda is a lifeform and capable of manipulating the force, which is basically magic. Yoda would win.


Well that's not really correct. The Valar were the ones who were sent by Eru (god) to watch over and govern the earth. Gandalf was a Maiar, a helper of the Valar. Gandalf was lesser in strength and power than the Valar, but his powers and more importantly, his wisdom were his own. When he was sent by the Valar to aid the humans and the elves in their struggle against Sauron, his power was bound to his physical body. So yeah, he was a real life form. As real as Sauron was. Anyway. And here's a tidbit: the union of a Maiar and an Elf was what eventually led to the birth of Arwen. :p



Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

Noooo, that was Saruman. Gandalf's main weakness was his propensity for believing the good in people. Which was what blinded him to Saruman's treachery.

*nerd*

[Tavrobel]

Gandalf is isn't even really a life form, called a Maiar. He's one of three gaurdians five "Wizards" (all Maiar) that the Valar sent to watch over their creation and guide it the lands of M-E and keep an eye on Sauron and aid in his defeat. His magic comes from the divination of the gods the ignorant second race that claims it is magic, when it is merely a manipulation of nature. Yoda is a lifeform and capable of manipulating the force, which is basically magic. Yoda would win.

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to Suaramon's Saruman's unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.

Fixed.

[Psychotic]

Using the fixed version...

Yoda might have been duped by Palpatine's show, but Gandalf was just as blind to Suaramon's Saruman's unwillingness to do anything about the ring because he had been studying it for his own personal gain for years and years and years.The fall of the entire Republic and the slaughter of the Jedi is a bigger cock up than allowing Isengard to rise, as Isengard failed to even defeat Rohan.
His magic comes from the ignorant second race that claims it is magic, when it is merely a manipulation of natureI've never heard of his magic being called a "manipulation of nature". In fact, I'd always been led to believe that he was capable of magic using spells and incantations. Where'd you get that from, if you don't mind me asking?

[Resha]

Gandalf. Goly fuck. But of course.

[Christmas]

Yoda cause he is green. :oscar:

[NorthernChaosGod]

Yoda. He could handle a sword better than Gandalf can, and Yoda's lightsaber just pwns.


Raoul Duke, because if I remember correctly that is what the filter always changes Chu ck Nor ris to

Chuck Norris.

Just checking.

[Quindiana Jones]

The world only has a few laws. Gravity being the most well known. Another one is: "Anything short and green is amazing."

Using the laws of the world, I have deduced that Yoda wins, even though Gandalf is also uber-good.

[Tavrobel]

I've never heard of his magic being called a "manipulation of nature". In fact, I'd always been led to believe that he was capable of magic using spells and incantations. Where'd you get that from, if you don't mind me asking?

In an explanation of the Elves having "magic powers," it was said by Men that the Elves could use magic powers. However, the Elves knew how to do it all the time.

In one example, the Galadrim cloaks hide the company often in the books. And most of the time, it was to manipulate the view of nature of others to not see them (unfriendly eyes) when used. Magic in this case is used passively. Most of the instances of Magic have not been said to have been accompanied by words, but I will admit it is possible, even if I personally find it skeptical.

I'll even admit that there are some exceptions, but the only exception I've been able to find is in the movie of the Fellowship, in which we hear Saruman getting the will of Caradhras to wake up and get in the Fellowship's way, and Gandalf attempts to stop it by saying to the mountain "go back to sleep." I'm not sure if in the book it also mentions that Saruman was also involved, or if it was the mountain itself. Gandalf and Saruman appear (note the key word, appear) to be in control of the situation, while Boromir is just going crazy. Aragorn, I would presume has already seen this kind of stuff, and we don't see Legolas' reaction.

[XandrewX]

[quote=Tavrobel;1894056]Technically, Gandalf's biggest fight was probably during the last battles of Beleriand, where the Maiar were instructed to destroy Angband and restrain Melkor. Gandalf may kill Durin's Bane, but he also dies (and is sent back by the Valar). His power requires that a staff be used, as compared to Yoda, whose skills are always there; he only uses a Lightsaber to defend himself against another Lightsaber.

Yoda gets to fight Palpatine, but he also dies of natural causes, and despite that, he can still exist because of Qui Gonn's revelations. In this case, the Force would overpower Gandalf's abilities, since in both the movies and the books, his ability to use Magic is restrained by the Valar, not that he uses it at any other point in his history, since Magic as we know it does not technically exist in M-E. However, as a celestial spirit, the powers of Gandalf are as of yet, unknown in their fullest.quote]

agree..totally...Yoda..

[I Am Stoner]

Yoda is green and looks like a :pickle: and I need no other reason then that.

This is what I was going to say.

[Polaris]

Yoda is amazing I love the way he talks and he's green and fluffy, kutchi kutchi ^^

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I personally always liked Yoda. Small, green, wise and interesting word ordering.

[Laugh at face of Danger]

i would have voted gandalf the tartan, but he wasn't there :( so white will have to do.

[Ender]

Yoda. He could handle a sword better than Gandalf can, and Yoda's lightsaber just pwns.


But Gandalf wields Glamdring (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp?url=http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/g/glamdring.html) (from the Hobbit onward), which is waaaay cooler than any lightsaber, especially a stubby one like Yoda's. ;)

[Rosenti]

The Little Green Thing :D

[chrisfffan]

yoda! any characters from star wars is better than one from lord of the rings apart from maybe Jarr Jarr Binks

[~SapphireStar~]

Gandalf by far. Although I prefer Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White.

[chrisfffan]

yoda would just chop his legs off!

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[Avarice-ness]

LotR did have a jar jar like character. HIS NAME IS PIPPIN!
Remember when they were all "DON'T TOUCH THE BALL PIPPIN!" and he did it anyway! :D?!

[Madame Adequate]

Gandalf. He is a much better contriver of circumstance than Yoda, who mostly goes along with things.

Edit: the real king of all good is Thrall.

[~SapphireStar~]

LotR did have a jar jar like character. HIS NAME IS PIPPIN!
Remember when they were all "DON'T TOUCH THE BALL PIPPIN!" and he did it anyway! ?!
Argh! How dare you!?! Pippin was the most sexy hobbit!

[Quindiana Jones]

Pippin was the most sexy hobbit!

Damn right. :bigsmile: Although Sam was the twee-est.