Diablo 2: The Brother (And Sister)hood of EoFF

[Tavrobel]

If you need the runes, I can procure them for you. Don't worry about that.

[CimminyCricket]

Really? Cool, find me someone with Jah ber to trade. ty :c)

[Tavrobel]

You should have told me that before I made myself an Enigma.

[CimminyCricket]

lol.

You should have told me you were planning to make one. :cP
I've got a low one, but spfft, I want a better one for my pally. The crappy one can go on my druid. He won't need the defense.

[Tavrobel]

Depends on the Paladin type. For the most part, you only need a Mage Plate with 3Os.

[CimminyCricket]

Hammer, and the one I've got on him now only has 904 def and is on a gothic plate. But, I got it damn cheap, so its ok.

[SeeDRankLou]

So, to anyone who might stumble across a 3os Archon Plate, would you mind hanging onto it for me. Thanks a bunch, I'll try to look for one myself tonight. And Tav, I'll be on tonight if you want your Gheed's back.

[CimminyCricket]

I just got pwned.
Damn you battle.net

Edit: and again twice; within 4 minutes of each other.

[Tavrobel]

Wow, you need to fix your connection, methinks, because you get dropped every few seconds in a game. Anyways, I'll give you some gloves after I get back on (I'm logging from the frustration).

[CimminyCricket]

Comcast usually doesn't have that problem. I'm not sure. Our phone lines have been acting up lately as well. I think it might be a technical difficulty of their fault.

[Flying Mullet]

So I hopped on Hell this morning and fought Mephisto, Eldritch, Shenk and Nihlathak and didn't get a single Set or Unique drop all game. I even have 450 MF. What a waste. :(

[Tavrobel]

That can happen.

EDIT: I have found it necessary to expand my operations to a fifth account, Ezellohar (yeah that's right).

[Nominus Experse]

I killed Shenk and Eldritch until they finally gave me Tal Rasha's Death Mask and a Pul rune.

EDIT: I found a 3oS Archon Plate that will hopefully one day become an Enigma. I just need to find the respective runes...

Anyone have any suggestions as to where I might find these runes?

[Tavrobel]

Countess runs, assuming that you can survive them, or have the patience. Alternatively, you can try to find an item that is worth the high runes. Hell hellforges quests, trading away PGems, and the like can also result in runes. Alternatively, finding Keysets can result in a high rune for trade. I'll see if I can trade my 2 Lo runes for Jah and Ber.

[Nominus Experse]

Alright. I have 40+ PGems, so I may get one that way. And I can survive Countess runs: my only qualm with them is that they take forever...

You think Pul, Um, or Dol will get me anywhere? These are the highest runes I have...
Oh, and I have Natalya's Odium and Tal Rasha's Horadric Crest and a Dwarf Star Ring. Those are the highest items I'd be willing to give up.

[Flying Mullet]

And I can survive Countess runs: my only qualm with them is that they take forever...
I remember reading somewhere that you have an 90% chance of a Thul or lower drop in Hell, 9% of Amn - Shael and 1% of anything above that, with a Fal or Lem being the highest she'll drop. These might not be 100% accurate, but from my experience in doing Countess runs, they seem to be fairly accurate. So your chance of finding high runes or finding mid-runes to transmute into higher runes are slim. But then again, you always have the chance of getting a Terror Key from her, so it's not all bad.


You think Pul, Um, or Dol will get me anywhere? These are the highest runes I have...
Oh, and I have Natalya's Odium and Tal Rasha's Horadric Crest and a Dwarf Star Ring. Those are the highest items I'd be willing to give up.
I've several games lately with people needing Pul's, so be patient and you can probably trade it up. Um has a chance too, but Dol is too low to do much of anything with.

Not sure on the helm and ring...

[Tavrobel]

I found the Jah and Ber, as well as the Ith. If you get on right now, I won't have to perm anything.

EDIT: Apparently, Nominus is worth more than I am. Perfect Mara's = win.

[Nominus Experse]

I now owe Tavrobel my children.

[Flying Mullet]

Reading through some of these later posts, it fills me with a little bit of pride seeing how we've got an elite D2 group of EoFFers. ;)

I'm tired of Cows, Meph and Baal now, so I've decided to start doing Countess, Summoner and Nihlathak runs for keys.

[Tavrobel]

Reading through some of these later posts, it fills me with a little bit of pride seeing how we've got an elite D2 group of EoFFers. ;)

I'm tired of Cows, Meph and Baal now, so I've decided to start doing Countess, Summoner and Nihlathak runs for keys.

Indeed. If only we could maintain recruiting, we would be expanding, as well. Assuming you can survive Nihlathak, you should be able to get some DKeys; however, the Keys only have a 1/5 chance of dropping (the real odds are slightly less). You can get keys faster if you join public games and hunt them there, but that would be very difficult in certain occassions.


Alright. I have 40+ PGems, so I may get one that way. And I can survive Countess runs: my only qualm with them is that they take forever...

You think Pul, Um, or Dol will get me anywhere? These are the highest runes I have...
Oh, and I have Natalya's Odium and Tal Rasha's Horadric Crest and a Dwarf Star Ring. Those are the highest items I'd be willing to give up.

Well, now you have Enigma, should make things go faster.

Pul might get you somewhere, but I would save it for Hoto, since that should replace your Spirit Sword. Um is a high rune, so you can trade equally for those that you need. Dol is too low. The best you can do with that is use it in a Runeword, or hope you can trade it for a Hel rune.

Depending on the set part of her Odium, prices will vary. Nat's Armor is a Hel or Pul, the Helm is Pul, the Weapon is a high rune, and the boots are worth an El. Tal's Mask can vary, since there are alot of Sorceresses on Battle.net. The +Life and +res are nice, but they can be found rather easily, especially at Hell Travincal (I remember tossing quite a few). Dwarf star is useless, maybe a Hel, but I would not count on it.

[Flying Mullet]

Assuming you can survive Nihlathak...
I'm a summoner with corpse explosion so I stay out of the way and either revive or explode the corpses before he can do anything with them. I actually have more problems with the Serpent Magus and their 16 hit bs than I do with Nihlathak.

[SeeDRankLou]

Assuming you can survive Nihlathak, you should be able to get some DKeys; however, the Keys only have a 1/5 chance of dropping (the real odds are slightly less). You can get keys faster if you join public games and hunt them there, but that would be very difficult in certain occassions.
I believe I read that having more people in your group with up those chance. By how much I don't know. I didn't get my trap assassin to act 5 in hell, but if I did then she would kick Nihlathak's ass with death sentry, which can perform corpse explosion much faster and much more often than Nihlathak can. Alas though.

I am doing something tonight and tomorrow night, so I likely won't be back on until Saturday.

[Nominus Experse]

ZOMG TELEPORT IS GOD

[Tavrobel]

ZOMG TELEPORT IS GOD

That's why everyone uses Enigma.

[Nominus Experse]

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4525/screenshot001aj5.jpg

If anyone wants it, post or PM me. Otherwise, I will sell it the next time I get on.

[Tavrobel]

[Picture of a Maul]

If anyone wants it, post or PM me. Otherwise, I will sell it the next time I get on.

Mulley probably will.

[Nominus Experse]

[Picture of a Maul]

If anyone wants it, post or PM me. Otherwise, I will sell it the next time I get on.

Mulley probably will.
Very true, that. I think he turned in for the day, so I will hold onto it until either he posts, I see him, or whatever else might happen.


And I am still oogling over my newly outfitted Necro...

[Tavrobel]

Once you get Leo's Wand and Homonculus, you should be able to let go of those Spirit items. For a belt, you can also try to get Arachnid's, which is around nine high runes.

[Azure Chrysanthemum]

Ganalath has been born in the form of a meaty barbarian with a penchant for singing.

He's level 10. Will powerlevel when able.

[Nominus Experse]

Good god, I would just be swimming in +skills at at that point...

And Darkforce Spawn Bloodlord Skull or the Boneflame Succubus Skull would grant me +3 instead, though the Boneflame's additional mods are somewhat less than satisfactory when compared with the Darkforce of Homunculus. And the Darkforce is insanely rare, I believe.

But when all is said and done, yeah - Homunculus is best.

So, in the end, I could be looking at level 38 Skeleton Mastery, 33 Fire Golem, 35 Skeleton Mages, 36 Skeletons, 14 Revives, Corpse Explosion that would reach 7 yards, level 14 curses...

And I still have unspent skills. GOOD GOD, HELP ME! I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM ALL!!!

[Tavrobel]

Did you get summon resists? Your skills are not high enough.

You finding Mara's and SoJs is like rigged. I can't even find those.

[Nominus Experse]

Lvl 14 Summon Res.

And I have Lvl 16 curses, not 14. I typo'd that.

My skills aren't high enough? What else could possibly grant more skills other than GCharms?

[Tavrobel]

You need Grand Charms and Arach's. Skills can go as high as 60 on Battle.net. Possibly crafted Gloves, but I wouldn't count on it. I should really train my new Frenzy Barbarian, it would own you in a duel!

[Nominus Experse]

You need Grand Charms and Arach's. Skills can go as high as 60 on Battle.net. Possibly crafted Gloves, but I wouldn't count on it. I should really train my new Frenzy Barbarian, it would own you in a duel!
Jesus... How can you accrue +40 Skills?

And as for the duel, even against 43 Minions? And Bone Prison? Though, one hit from you, and I would be dead... And you could Leap out... Yeah, of course you would win, why would anyone think differently?

[SeeDRankLou]

Tav, how's the amulet for your cold sorc?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/maddylouis/EoFF/coldamulet.jpg

[Tavrobel]

Jesus... How can you accrue +40 Skills?

Start at 20 (any class), this can change, based on class only, or techtree only skill items
+3 Hoto
+2 Spirit
+2 Mara's
+2 Shako
+2 Enigma
+2, 2 SoJ
+1 Arach's
+6 GCs


Tav, how's the amulet for your cold sorc?

I don't have one, so, terrible. I believe that Nominus has one, though.


And as for the duel, even against 43 Minions? And Bone Prison? Though, one hit from you, and I would be dead... And you could Leap out... Yeah, of course you would win, why would anyone think differently?

I'll take em all on! One by one! My merc would have higher kill count, because he does 12k, but all of them!

[Flying Mullet]

Jesus... How can you accrue +40 Skills?

Start at 20 (any class), this can change, based on class only, or techtree only skill items
+3 Hoto
+2 Spirit
+2 Mara's
+2 Shako
+2 Enigma
+2, 2 SoJ
+1 Arach's
+6 GCs
Here's the equips I can think of for a max in summoning skills:

Arm of King Leoric (+2 summoning/raise skele mage and +3 skele mastery/raise skele) we'll say +5
Darkforce Spawn/Boneflame +3
Summoning Circlet/Coronet/Tiara/Diadem +3
Summoning Ammy +3
Enigma/Chains of Honor/Bone/Trang Oul's Scales +2
Arachnid Mesh +1
2 SoJ +2
Hellfire Torch +3

That's +22 so far. You can fit 9 more grand charms in your inventory which will take you to +31.

[Tavrobel]

Annihulus (SC) gives +1, and I guess I forgot about Torches (LC), which give +3. It's also possible to craft gloves and boots, but these are extremely rare. As far as Summoners go, Marrowwalk Boots (which Nominus has because of me), give +2 to Skeleton Mastery. Oddly enough, this item build also has a good +res.

[Flying Mullet]

Annihulus (SC) gives +1, and I guess I forgot about Torches (LC), which give +3.
You can only have one Torch on you, just like Annihulus and Gheed's, correct?

[Tavrobel]

Yes. One Anni, one Torch, and one Gheeds per character. They can be traded using the Trade screen, as well.

[CimminyCricket]

I like that, people used to get scammed SO bad when it was I'll drop then you drop; or you drop then I'll drop and we'll run around the corner at the same time to grab the items. lmto, hearing about that was funny! :cD

[Tavrobel]

I always remedied that by having a third friend grab both items, and give them to each person as proper.

You can't trust Blizzard fans. They are always up to no good.

[Nominus Experse]

I found a really fucking :skull::skull::skull::skull:ty Shako Peasant Crown if anyone wants it. This is more in regards for the lower level characters here.

Defense: 108
Required Level: 28
Required Strength: 20
Durability: 12
+100% Enhanced Defense
+1 To All Skills
15% Faster Run/Walk
Replenish Life +12
+20 To Energy
+20 To Vitality

[Flying Mullet]

My sorceress could use that.

[Tavrobel]

For a minute there, I thought you had actually found a Shako.

I think I have 3 of those on my mules.

[SeeDRankLou]

Dammit, I got restricted. Stupid bnet.

[Flying Mullet]

If anyone has mid leveled characters, I have a collection of +3 {insert class tree skill here} amulets, level requirement 45.

[CimminyCricket]

Stupid Bnet
I hate it sooo much
this game sucks.
I quit again.
I'll be on later this weekend -_-'

[SeeDRankLou]

So, is the following worth anything?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/maddylouis/EoFF/griswoldsheart.jpg

It kind of looks like it would be worth something.

[Giga Guess]

I think Griswold's is the Paladin Shiny set...

[Tavrobel]

Sadly, SRL, the armor is the easiest part of the Griswold set to find. However, the entire set together is worth approximately three high runes, but the armor itself is worth about that of Trang Oul's armor: a Hel rune.

[SeeDRankLou]

In that case, if one of us is trying to collect the Griswold set then the armor is theirs. Otherwise, I guess I'll keep it and try to collect the set to trade.

[CimminyCricket]

Ha! I was right, lou! Told ya! Cim-1 Lou-0

then again...
Cim-0 Rusherkilla-1

[Tavrobel]

I have a feeling that the rest of us missed something while I was playing on Warcraft 3 sleeping. What happened?

[CimminyCricket]

I told him that the gris armour was easy to find, and that the whole set was worth 2-3 hrs :cD

[SeeDRankLou]

And it never hurts to get a second opinion about things.

I'll be back on in a little while. My apartment severely needs to be cleaned.

[CimminyCricket]

Ah! Tav, get on now!

I'm over flowing with gems
COME GET THEM! :cD

[SeeDRankLou]

Any Barbarian care for this? Or is it worth anything trade wise?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/maddylouis/EoFF/bloodtreestump.jpg

[Tavrobel]

If it is worth something, it's not going to be very popular. You could try and see, but I wouldn't expect people.

[Giga Guess]

Whoo hoo! I'm officially full Aldur's!

[Tavrobel]

You finally got to level 76? Good for you.

[Giga Guess]

Emphasis on *Finally.*

But it was mostly you and the rush you gave me.

[Tavrobel]

How am I not surprised.

[Giga Guess]

Don't mock me... :p

[Tavrobel]

Don't talk like that to your baby daddy!

[Giga Guess]

Don't make me mad, or I'll...I'll...I'LL BLEED ALL OVER YOUR BOOTS DAMMIT!

[Tavrobel]

Cimanim, I'll trade you a low Call to Arms for gems!

EDIT: Who has high runes? I plan on making an Infinity, so I shall require four high runes. It would be easier on me if I did not have to trade for them. I have Mal, SRL has Ist, but if anyone has Ber, speak up, please. Also, we need a 4Os Elite Polearm (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/polearms.shtml).

[CimminyCricket]

Deal! :cD

EDIT: oh, Giga, you're just now getting to 79? :c) I'm 80 now.

[SeeDRankLou]

EDIT: Who has high runes? I plan on making an Infinity, so I shall require four high runes. It would be easier on me if I did not have to trade for them. I have Mal, SRL has Ist, but if anyone has Ber, speak up, please. Also, we need a 4Os Elite Polearm (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/elite/polearms.shtml).

Hehe, I'm trying to make one as well. I don't know, I guess you can have my Ist and I'll trade for my high runes.

[Tavrobel]

killa should have the high runes I need, but I still need a 4Os Polearm.

Also, I can't actually use it yet, even if I did obtain an Infinity. However, I'd like the option present.

[SeeDRankLou]

killa should have the high runes I need, but I still need a 4Os Polearm.

Also, I can't actually use it yet, even if I did obtain an Infinity. However, I'd like the option present.

Why? Strength req for your merc?

[Giga Guess]

Deal! :cD

EDIT: oh, Giga, you're just now getting to 79? :c) I'm 80 now.

Erm...only 76, actually. :p But I'm having fun playing a heavily hacked character on single player.

[Tavrobel]

Why? Strength req for your merc?

No character to use it on, actually.

My Fire Sorceress is only 39 (and someone finished my normal Baal, damnit, so I need private games to get up there).

My Trap Assassin is only level 10, and cannot yet be rushed.

My Druid takes Insight, because Wind spells are considered Physical damage, and Hurricane doesn't do enough to warrant Conviction. The Mana boost is the sex.

My Hammerdin also takes Insight, becase Hammers ignore defense and resistances. Base Mana is fun!

My Barbarians don't need it, since I deal more Physical/non-elemental magic damage, plus Arioc's is way better than Insight, until I can get a Faith Colossus Crossbow, and put it on the Act I mercenary.

I don't start with mercs until level 80 anyways. That's when you can start using the good equipment, such as high Fortitudes, and the requirements, stats-wise for elite Poles.

Also, I'll be updating the character screen, to reflect my new account (yeah, I already need another one). If you have not PMed me any new characters' information (just use the old sign-up sheet I gave you), they will not be included, which means that I will ignore you on Battle.net. Also, BtV, remember to log in characters, since they need 2+ hours to perm. Don't want to lose all of those items; those Wizardspikes go for one high rune each!

[Khaotic]

They really screwed up the servers, huh. I'm getting really tired of being tagged just for trading.

Anyways, I got War Traveler Mirrored boots with 47% MF.

Got an Um in my hell forge, not bad. I also got a perfect fort(armor).

[CimminyCricket]

Yeah, I got tagged about 30 seconds after I killed andy and grabbed all the items, which is why I cried and stopped playing

[Flying Mullet]

Anyone interested in starting a Hardcore character?

[Tavrobel]

Anyone interested in starting a Hardcore character?

Hardcore takes too much time, considering that none of us really have time in the first place. I'm too scared, and I don't really have a good enough base on making characters without dying (hence my cursing on Battle.net everytime I die).


I got War Traveler Mirrored boots with 47% MF.

What is the current condition of the War Traveler's?

[SeeDRankLou]

I got a Pul from the Countess in Hell. :D Now I just need a Jah and I can make a Dream for my merc. Oh yeah.

Speaking of which, I know that +1 to random skill tree is worth a high rune, but are all treated equally? I mean I know that +a lot to life will make them much more expensive, but if they just have the +1 to random skill tree, are all skill trees created equally?

I ask this because I got a +1 to Combat Masteries grand charm for a Barb (it also has +17% gold, which is meh, I know). Will +1 to Combat Masteries be as valuable as +1 to Combat Skills or +1 to Warcries, or at least worth a high rune?

Edit: And Mulley......a harcore character. I have never braved Hardcore before. I wouldn't want to do hardcore by myself, and I would do it with you but we are almost never on at the same time. I don't know, I've played with many characters, and the one that I have lasted the longest with without dieing is a martial arts assassin, who died for the first time in Normal against an Oblivion Knight in the Chaos Sanctuary (damn Iron Maiden), and then repeatedly against Diablo.

[Flying Mullet]

Hardcore definitely takes a lot more patience and leveling-up and loot runs so that you can be strong enough to not die.

Well, if anyone else feels neurotic, Hardcore FlyingMullet the Paladin just started smacking things around in the Blood Moor.

[Tavrobel]

Speaking of which, I know that +1 to random skill tree is worth a high rune, but are all treated equally?

I ask this because I got a +1 to Combat Masteries grand charm for a Barb (it also has +17% gold, which is meh, I know). Will +1 to Combat Masteries be as valuable as +1 to Combat Skills or +1 to Warcries, or at least worth a high rune?

I'll take the Combat Masteries one, but it's not worth alot, since they are not treated equally. Mods also give more value, based on classes. Hel-Pul means any value of runes from Hel to Pul, Pul being the highest, and anything in between the two as lowest (except Ko). Values in parentheses are the common values, though they can range wildly, depending on need. killa may have more accurate values. Al numerical values are high runes.

Barbarian:
BComb: 1-8 (2)
Masteries: Hel-Pul
Warcries: 1-4 (2)

Amazon:
Bows: 2
Spears: 1
Passives and Magic: 1

Sorceress:
Lightning: 6-9 (8)
Fire: 4-6 (4)
Ice: 4-8 (4)

Paladin:
PComb: 8-15 (10)
Offensive Aura: 2
Defensive Aura: 2

Necromancer:
Poison and Bone: 4-6 (4)
Summoning: 1
Curses: Hel-Pul

Druid:
Elemental: 4-8 (4)
Shapeshifting: Hel-Pul
Summoning: Hel-Pul

Assassin:
Traps: 4-10 (8)
Martial Arts: Hel-Pul
Disciplines: Hel-Pul

[SeeDRankLou]

Dammit. Ugh, well I already have my Pul so it's yours I suppose. I suppose I could re-roll it a few times, but that probably wouldn't be worthwhile. Maybe if a get another sub-par one I'll try that. PComb for 8-15 high runes, that's insane. I'm surprised at some of the ones that aren't worth a lot.

[Flying Mullet]

Druid:
Elemental: 4-8 (4)
That explains why you got so excited when I gave you the Elemental GC. :p

[Tavrobel]

Dammit. Ugh, well I already have my Pul so it's yours I suppose. I suppose I could re-roll it a few times, but that probably wouldn't be worthwhile. Maybe if a get another sub-par one I'll try that. PComb for 8-15 high runes, that's insane. I'm surprised at some of the ones that aren't worth a lot.

Not worth it. There are over 30 mods, (suffixes and prefixes, not to mention those that can get BOTH). Not only that, those mods emcompass many numbers per percentage, which makes it 5*30^3. You need 3 PGems per each reroll, and having forty of them is 13 rolls. There's a small chance for you to get a GC with +skills. And by small, I mean miniscule. It's like Vegas: you don't reroll when you're feeling lucky, you reroll when you're feeling really lucky. 40 PGems is a high rune, sometimes you can offer less, depending on the person who wants them.


That explains why you got so excited when I gave you the Elemental GC. :p

xD

[Khaotic]

War travelers were traded.

No one is playing :(

[Tavrobel]

War travelers were traded.

I do sorely hope you traded them for something good.

[Khaotic]

War travelers were traded.

I do sorely hope you traded them for something good.

Perfect fortitude.

[Tavrobel]

Well, that's slightly better than War Traveler's, despite the fact that Fortitude is easier to make.

Whatever works. Mercenary equpiment is important.

EDIT: As of this point in time, I will not be on Diablo 2 all day. Such circumstances leading to my abscene/inactivity are attributed to my playing this too much. As a result, I believe that I am suffering from acute Carpal Tunnel, so I will be taking as along a break as I can from the computer. My grades have also plummeted, so, yeah, that's a bit of a factor (LOL AP Chemistry). However, I will still be on by appointment, and will give my items to you on a need-by-need basis/MF running/trading/etc.

I will still be online (on AIM or EoFF), so if you need me, PM me or message me. Even if it appears that I am away or not logged in, I am never actually away, and I have auto-log-in, and refresh EoFF frequently. I will also be passing my accounts to Mulley and SRL, so, if they do an inventory for me, I will be able to track all of my items. I will also update the EoFF-D2 page more frequently; please, PM ME ANY CHANGES FOR THIS, INCLUDING NEW CHARACTERS OR ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS!

[CimminyCricket]

Man, that sucks, eat more fruit. :cP ANYWAY.

I hate this game, so much right now.
I hate it.
None of my characters have permed, and from 6:30 to about 10:30 my Necromancer had been sitting in eoff and apparently he is still not permanent. Same goes for the character my friend made as a mule and has attempted to perm for the last week. I'm wondering if it has to do with the character name, because that's the only character that keeps getting kicked from battlenet; its "edisgay".
If that is the reason, I believe I will have a dead friend. Anyone have a place to bury a skinny body?

[Tavrobel]

Yeah, it does. But oddly enough, it is feeling better today, after drinking some milk.

Alot of people do.

You need to be in the game, not the channel. Also, after being on for two hours straight, some of the information doesn't register, unless you go back to the game while it is up, and settle some of the lag by running in circles. Also, an easy way to ake sure the game does not disconnect you is to open up your stash and inventory screen, and leave it there.

edisgay? It might be, but I seriously doubt it.

[Flying Mullet]

Yeah, when I perm characters I make a private game, leave them in the game for around 2.5 hours and every 15-20 minutes or so do a little circle run or something so it doesn't kick me out due to inactivity or other stupid reasons.

I haven't had any problems permming characters yet.

[SeeDRankLou]

LOL.....for the longest time I have had absolutely no idea what the hell you guys have been talking about when you say "perm", but I think I understand now....LOL.....I swear sometimes my brain just turns off for a few days.

I suppose when you talk of "permming" a character you mean that you play with the character for long enough that the "this character will be deleted in 10 days" thing goes away. I still don't know what you guys mean when you talk of "permming" items and runes.

So, I doubt seriously that my lightning sorc can go anymore in hell by herself. I am almost done with act 1, and after that, the multitude of lightning immune lightning enchanted monster will not allow for further solo action.....unless I stumble on two Bers and a Mal :D

[Flying Mullet]

So, I doubt seriously that my lightning sorc can go anymore in hell by herself. I am almost done with act 1, and after that, the multitude of lightning immune lightning enchanted monster will not allow for further solo action.....unless I stumble on two Bers and a Mal :D
That's why it's good to have a secondary skill tree with some points in it. To help you when you run into enemies that are immune to your primary skill tree.

[Tavrobel]

That's why it's good to have a secondary skill tree with some points in it. To help you when you run into enemies that are immune to your primary skill tree.


So, I doubt seriously that my lightning sorc can go anymore in hell by herself. I am almost done with act 1, and after that, the multitude of lightning immune lightning enchanted monster will not allow for further solo action.....unless I stumble on two Bers and a Mal :D

For pure builds, never put in any skill points in an alternate techtree. This compromises how far you get on the exponential curve of damage, whih means if you can't kill the enemy first, they WILL kill you. As for Sorceresses, in Hell, an alternate techtree rarely does enough damage on an enemy without that resistance. You simply will not survive. To get around this, rely on expanding your options through outside sources.

Mercenaries with Infinity, are especially dangerous, since a ranged character can easily eliminate enemies with low Immunities. Lightning is even more dangerous, since no spawned enemies have Lightning resistances that cannot be broken (>140%), compared to Ice (Oblivion Knights have 180%), and Fire Immune (which is quite literally, half of the enemies). If you have a Necromancer friend, you can get the bonuses of Lower Resist, along with Conviction.

PERMING

On Diablo 2, there are two definitions for the word "perm." In one instance, it can mean to make permanent a charactr or account, by playing on the character for 2 hours (cumulative) within 48 hours. If you go beyond 48 hours, the requirement is 4 hours total, or you can log on a character until after one month, when the character will automatically be permanent.

The other instance would be to make an item permanent. This is the method used by many players on Diablo 2 to make sure that the items they get from trade will not disappear. Remember about what I told you earlier in the thread about duped items? That they will disappear after a point? Well, high runes are very popularly duped, so to perm, means to make the item remain in existence for as long as you need it to, by periodically perming an item. To do this, simply open up the trade screen, confirm the trade with nothing in the screen, and cancel. You should then promptly leave the game. I don't know why, but it works to keep the item from disappearing. Essentially, doing this stops an item from disappearing.

Perming says nothing about the integrity of your own, personal character, so don't object to perming an item. This is merely a stopgap to help ensure that you got your fair share of money's worth for your items in trade. It reflects nothing of you, only how much you trust other people, and YOU SHOULDN'T because Blizzard fans are crazy.

There is a technical reason for perming runes and items, and there is the game coding to account for why it works. As for how it works, just leave it at "if it works, use it!" This has to do with how Diablo 2 recognizes items. Each item has a specific series of Identification numbers, ranging from ItemLevel, DropLevel, Difficulty, w/ Sockets, nomenclature, enemyDropped, not to mention the stats that you see on the item that make it unique.

If at any point two or more items have the same ID numbers, they will be passively destroyed by something called "RustStorm," a program by Blizzard that helps to delete illigitimate items. Perming gets around RustStorm by recognizing trades and allowing items to stay around after a trade; the TRUE technical definition lies in the game's code, something which would be illegal to expose here, nor am I learned enough to know how to pick out which parts contribute in significant ways.

[CimminyCricket]

He was in eoff from 6:34-10:51 and NOTHING happened. And I even ran around before I logged out and NOTHING. I hate this game, I hate it so much.

[Tavrobel]

He was in eoff from 6:34-10:51 and NOTHING happened. And I even ran around before I logged out and NOTHING. I hate this game, I hate it so much.

I don't know how to explain it, other than Blizzard hates you for playing D2 instead of WoW.

[SeeDRankLou]

So, is this a good wand??

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/maddylouis/EoFF/blackhandkey.jpg

[Flying Mullet]

It's a decent mid-level wand.

[Tavrobel]

OMG a post!

Yeah, that's not the world's greatest wand. Maybe a Pul.

[CimminyCricket]

I now have the following:
Shako (ber)
Hoz (170%, ber)
and 10k attack >< :cD not much, but oh well, now all I need is an arach and a torch. wOOtness.

[Tavrobel]

This might seem like logic, but I'll post it anyways for people who don't know Torch trade values.

Barb Torch: one high rune
PBarb Torch: one high rune
Zon Torch: one high rune
PZon Torch: one high rune
Assassin Torch: one high rune
PAssassin Torch: two high runes
Druid Torch: one high rune
PDruid Torch: two high runes
Necro Torch: one high rune
PNecro Torch: one high rune
Sorc Torch: four high runes
PSorc Torch: eight high runes
Pally Torch: ten high runes
PPally Torch: fifteen to twenty-five high runes

As you can clearly see, Paladins wreck all, because of high demand.

[CimminyCricket]

stfu, Tav, quick trying to ruin my dreams. I freakin' hate you. Not really, but... O_o. ANYWAY, Tav(or anyone), find me a pul rune? Please? I (sort of) love you? I want what I believe is called a dream. I have the IO and whatever other rune is there, I can't remember. but yes, find me a pul darn you! :c)

[Tavrobel]

LOL Io + Jah + Pul. Helms ftw!

[Nominus Experse]

I thought this was a somewhat interesting find.
And I have a Pul.

And one question: if you don't kill the Cow King, can you keep on going back to the Cow level?

[SeeDRankLou]

And one question: if you don't kill the Cow King, can you keep on going back to the Cow level?
Yes

Tav graciously gave me a Jah for a Dream helm, and I am currently loving my merc having one. Hopefully a full Rustorm isn't run anytime soon, just in case.

[CimminyCricket]

I thought this was a somewhat interesting find.
And I have a Pul.

And one question: if you don't kill the Cow King, can you keep on going back to the Cow level?
yes, and can I have the pul? :c) Please?

[Nominus Experse]

I thought this was a somewhat interesting find.
And I have a Pul.

And one question: if you don't kill the Cow King, can you keep on going back to the Cow level?
yes, and can I have the pul? :c) Please?
PM me when you are on.

[CimminyCricket]

heh, I'm at school and won't be on till friday, ASSUMING the extra 13 inches of snow we get (we've already had 16 and no snow day) causes a snow day. and I hope to god it does. Also, thank you. if you're not on say...6pm Friday-2am Saturday, let me know. And I'll see what I can do lol.

[Tavrobel]

Hopefully a full Rustorm isn't run anytime soon, just in case.

A full RustStorm is never run until Ladder Resets, to purge the realms.

[Giga Guess]

Hopefully a full Rustorm isn't run anytime soon, just in case.

A full RustStorm is never run until Ladder Resets, to purge the realms.

And I think Blizzard is more focused on WoW to really bother too much with Diablo 2...but then, I've been wrong before...

[Tavrobel]

No, you're quite right. They do focus on WoW, since D2 doesn't make money.

If anything, you've heard my rants against Blizzard. I'd be the first to tell you that WoW is getting the focus.

[Giga Guess]

No, you're quite right. They do focus on WoW, since D2 doesn't make money.

If anything, you've heard my rants against Blizzard. I'd be the first to tell you that WoW is getting the focus.

Oh, absolutely. I've been punted from the servers my share of times, too.

[Tavrobel]

No, I complain about the lag, and the fact that we have been seriously neglected and forgotten.

Damn you WoW players; YOU OWE US! MEGA PWNAGE YOU NEED FROM US!

[Giga Guess]

I say we rise up, and destroy those World of Warcrackheads.

[CimminyCricket]

Agreed

[Khaotic]

I wish people played more.

[Giga Guess]

I'll come back...I'm just taking a break...although I may need to perm my Mule just as a safeguard.

[SeeDRankLou]

I've had a bunch of social events to go to recently. And the weather has been rather nice lately. But this weekend is the last of my stuff for a while, so I'll be playing again soon.

[CimminyCricket]

Tav, you should redo your prices for torches. :cP I got a pally torch for 5 hrs. :cD

[Tavrobel]

Tav, you should redo your prices for torches. :cP I got a pally torch for 5 hrs. :cD

Then that person is either rich, or an idiot, or you are the idiot for believing that the Torch is real. Probably the lattermost, because the price for a PTorch is ten high runes. This is undisputably true. Unidentified ones can go for 5-6.

[CimminyCricket]

I think he was an idiot, seeing as he thought that people could hear him from the trade screen.

[Nominus Experse]

I find dying in town to be both the most humorous and frustrating thing.

I was wondering when the LAGMONSTER was going to rear its repugnant head again...

[Flying Mullet]

Actually, Deckard Cain killed you. He sneaks up behind you and gives your butt cheek the "Pinch of Death".

[Giga Guess]

Death by BUTTSECKS!

[SeeDRankLou]

Ouch.

So Tav, what did you say Gore Riders were worth again?

[Tavrobel]

I didn't. But apparently, they go for one high rune, if the person wants it.

If it's ethereal, I'm not sure, since I have one of those.

EDIT: LOL I need an xfer-ness, and quick!

[SeeDRankLou]

You're up early. I'm currently at work, probably going to be for another hour. If you haven't had one by then, I'll get on when I get home.

[Tavrobel]

I'm going to be somewhere from 2-4PM EST, so I'll get one around 4:30-ish?

[Nominus Experse]

To regain my manhood (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=102586), I went on Diablo for a Andariel, Travincal, Eldritch, Pindleskin, Baal run. I found these, and wondered if they might be of value to anyone:

[Tavrobel]

The first one might be worth something for a mid-level Zealdin, but most Paladins use Runewords for weapons (Hoto, LW, BotD, Exile). The second one is worth mundos, if you can find someone who is willing to pay for it: anywhere from Hel to Gul.

Now that we have become more advanced and have a plethora of runes upon us, it would seem that one should explain high rune values. Unlike other things, highrunes are not based on character, but on usage. Better the runeword and ease of creation, the better the value.

Runes are power.

From highest to lowest, high runes:
Note: the value of Gul is actually lower than some of the middle runes. Values vary slightly, depending on need.
Mal (used in several popular runewords)
Ber (mostly LW, and Enigma)
Jah (used in several popular runewords, and some less useful ones)
Ist (CtA, Magic Find; Ist'ed Baba's are very popular)
Zod (only because it is hard to find)
Vex (Hoto, and some slightly less popular ones)
Um (used in a few runewords, + resistance)
Lo (Fortitude)
Ohm (CtA)
Sur (not sure what they use this one for)
Cham (unsure, but people seem to have lots of them)
Gul (this one is a joke; it's used in one runeword, and it's a useless one)

From highest to lowest, middle runes:
Note: Sol, Shael, Io, and Lum are worth approximately the same. Values vary slightly, depending on need. Amn is traditionally a low rune, but my qualifications are simple synthesis. It is also worth more than alot of the middle-runes.
Pul (used in several different recipes and rune words)
Fal (used in some mediocre runewords)
Lem (when found, can be used in some good runewords)
Ko (used in upgrading items)
Hel (removing runes/gems)
Amn (used in crafting and many +socket recipes)
Dol (Fortitude)
Sol
Shael
Io
Lum

From highest to lowest, low runes:
Note: Low rune values vary depending on mass amounts. Simple synthesis and socket recipes are very important, especially in mass amounts. Values vary slightly, depending on need.
Ral
Thul
Tal
Ort
El
Ith
Eld
Tir
Nef
Eth

[CimminyCricket]

To regain my manhood (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=102586), I went on Diablo for a Andariel, Travincal, Eldritch, Pindleskin, Baal run. I found these, and wondered if they might be of value to anyone:

Ha! Pwned!

All that and that's all you found?

Edit: Please someone find me a high def helm (prefered eth) no sockets please? Or it can have three sockets, but I doubt that. Of the helms with the def I want (giant skull I think they're called) they've always been two socket. I'm tired of that. I've done 3 hell cow runes BY MYSELF so that no one else can grab the helms, but no, nothing, nothing at all, the only good thing I got out of all that was (maybe) a unique belt (silkweave or something, I can't remember). that and almost half a mil in gold.

[Nominus Experse]

I have a Giant Skull, but you're going to have to give me something for it since it's in use at the moment

[CimminyCricket]

fair enough

[Tavrobel]

I know that you guys probably won't see this, but I just got 3 SoJ messages in my game, which means that Uber D will likely appear. I obviously can't hold another Annihulus, so I guess whoever gets there right now will get it, if Uber D shows up.

[SeeDRankLou]

Damn this job that takes up too much of my time. I probably won't be home until 8.

[Tavrobel]

False alarm, he didn't show up.

EDIT: I have stopped requiring xfers. I now request 1000 dollars in order to buy myself a new computer and monitor, in order to play DII on two computers, and in that way, I can xfer amongst myself, in order to not have to bother everyone all the time.

Cimanim, Cruise Control should be asking for/have already asked about a possible donation to the LoD4CC fund.

ADDITION: I wasn't serious about the money, but I am serious about needing an xfer.

ADDENDUM: That's cool, you know, that's alright, you can just ignore me. I'm fine with that. *xfers amongst self*

MAS: Yo necessito un xfer, porque ustedes me hicieron muriendo. DIMELO POR DIOS!

I don't like bumping, but damnit, SOMEONE POST IN THIS THREAD!

[Nominus Experse]

You could just PM one of us, Tav, when you need a xfer...

[Tavrobel]

I prefer the posting method, not that you guys are always available at my beck and call.

Btw, I need an xfer, if one of you has time.

[Nominus Experse]

But I am, Tav, only for you, my sweet...

I'll be on momentarily.

[SeeDRankLou]

I'll get on as soon as I'm off work. Hopefully that will be around 6ish.

Edit: Oh, you'll get one soon. Nevermind then I suppose. I'll still be on later though.

[Tavrobel]

An endless amount of thanks to both of you!

One of these days these boots will walk all over you you will be showered with gifts.

EDIT: I need yet another xfer, so when you get on, SRL, I'll need you.

[Nominus Experse]

WTF? How do you accrue that many items in such a short amount of time?

[SeeDRankLou]

I'll be on as soon as this RNA decides to finish dialyzing. Hopefully it will be done in another 30 minutes.

[Tavrobel]

WTF? How do you accrue that many items in such a short amount of time?

It's very easy. Barbarians kill, and they do it quick! I actually got an xfer from killa twice, moving gems and items, and making my Paladin Merc awesome.


I'll be on as soon as this RNA decides to finish dialyzing. Hopefully it will be done in another 30 minutes.

Excellent. I'm currently afk in eoff/trout.

[Nominus Experse]

I made a Barb called Big-Meats.

I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing, but it is rather fun to run around hitting things.

I'm in Eoff/trout at the moment, but as of right now, I am eating a lovely Szechuan chicken stir-fry; thus, I am presently AFK.

[Tavrobel]

I hate you (<3 Chicken). On a brighter note, Barbarians are fun, but we die. And Iron Maiden.

[Nominus Experse]

Back to hitting things with... things.

And yeah, I've seen a few Barbs just flat-out disappear due to Iron Maiden.

ME BARB LOL. ME BIG BIG HIT. OH NOES!!! ME BIG HIT ME?!!! LOL@BIG DEAD BARB BODY

[Tavrobel]

You die now *casts Life Tap*

[Nominus Experse]

Big-Meats made it to level 13 before I got lazy and bored and watched him die.

[CimminyCricket]

lol, I'm makin a barb, planning on him being a berserker w/ axes. he's only 15 now though, but I'll end up playing him eventually.

[Tavrobel]

*spams "xfer me please"*

[dante the demon prince]

bone necro named riku-killer

[Tavrobel]

Is that your account, or your character name?

[dante the demon prince]

character

[Tavrobel]

I need your account name, otherwise I won't be able to add you (I don't manage things by character name).

[dante the demon prince]

white-wolf39 or white_wolf39

[Tavrobel]

Both accounts are yours/in your possession, and passwords known?

How do I know I can trust you?

When do you usually get on (also give a timezone, please)?

Remember that we are on USEast, Ladder.

[dante the demon prince]

dang i got to make a new account on east i only play on west but i will make a new account on east tho

[Tavrobel]

BtV plays on West, too, but he's busy closing your "welcome back" threads.

[dante the demon prince]

i know he already did it and there was only one

[Tavrobel]

I would consider Dark Carnival a "welcome back" thread, because of the fact that you made them within a few minutes of the others. Ergo, "welcome back."

[dante the demon prince]

oh ok you guys always ruin my fun

[Tavrobel]

The internet is serious business.

[dante the demon prince]

i realise but its also for fun is it not

[Tavrobel]

I do hope you realize that I was being sarcastic.

[dante the demon prince]

i know

[SeeDRankLou]

The hell Hell Forge has been good to me once again. Last time I got an Ist, this time I got an Um. Yay for high runes.

My SRLlycan is about to max rabies. Rabies is fun.

[Tavrobel]

Eww, Um is low, but at least you didn't get a Gul. I found another Um whilst doing a Baal run (which makes this number two Um in Worldstone). SRL, can you get on now, or are you at work?

[dante the demon prince]

im going to make a story slightly different than the real thing.its going to be about wen i kill andy

[SeeDRankLou]

Um is low I know, but still a high rune. And yeah, Gul would have been *gag*.

I'm still at work. I leave soon though.

[Nominus Experse]

I've decided I like axes.

So what runeword should I try and get for my Barb?

Famine
Phoenix
Doom
Death
Breath of the Dying
Beast
Grief

???

And Tav, I want my Tarnhelm back, if you could.

[Tavrobel]

Tomorrow, you can have your Tarnhelm.

Most Barbarians either use LW or BotDas these are the only ones that deal massive amounts of damage without some involved strategem, and are the simplest to make (but not the cheapest). Also, only use Berzerker Axes, since they do the most damage for one handed Axes. A Zerker MUST be used for BotD and LW, since thse are the only ones that can support 6Os. Grief and Beast can be used on Ettin Axes. The others aren't worth it, in my opinion.

[CimminyCricket]

transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer transfer
>< Please?

Edit: Nevermind

[Nominus Experse]

Big-Meats is at Travincal now, at level 24. I would have finished Act II tonight if I hadn't been restricted...

[CimminyCricket]

Restart your comp and try again.
assuming you meant restricted from the server and not "restricted"

[SeeDRankLou]

Hey Tav, if the offer still stands, I have an elite polearm, and an Ist and Mal, so all I would need are the two Bers. :D

[CimminyCricket]

Lol, 20 games of Louis? someone was BORED. :c)

[Tavrobel]

Hey Tav, if the offer still stands, I have an elite polearm, and an Ist and Mal, so all I would need are the two Bers. :D

The world will rue the day! Ohh, when you make it, I may need it from time to time (or permanently) once I finish my Fire Sorceress, but I doubt that I'll finish her Baal runs any time soon. Someone accidentally finished my Baal Quest in Normal, so I either need to NM Cows or do the full Glitch Rush, and Chaos until 60. I don't feel like deciding.

I should be on later today. The only real reason to use an Infinity is for Trap Assassins, and Sorceresses (which I am aware that you have more of me). My Druid uses Insight, so no worry there.

[CimminyCricket]

OMG, someone get on! >< lilith and her poison tits are pissin' me off! >< KILL THE BITCH! Thank you.

[Cruise Control]

This is such bull:skull::skull::skull::skull:. I finally get the expansion and it won't read.

[Tavrobel]

Cim, you are a very, VERY bloody fucking lucky person.

[Nominus Experse]

Arreat Plateau can go fuck a goat and go to hell while doing so.

[CimminyCricket]

Well at least we (you) found it after your first 20 minutes :cP
also, lou I found a neat looking rabies sword for you, can get it when we're both on. its got one handed, 300% poison +five to rabies 25 poison resist and a few other things.

[Tavrobel]

And now a message(s) from our sponsor:

Giga Guess, what weapon does your Mercenary use?

SRL, have fun with the Infinity.

Cim, I am not boring.

CC, God hates you.

[CimminyCricket]

A message(s) from me:

Giga Guess, please tell him what he needs to know

SRL, yes please enjoy your infinity

Tav, yes you are

CC, tav is right god(s) hate you.

[Tavrobel]

Does anyone have a Pul?

Ignore that. My mercenary is now decked out in full battle array, including a Fortitude (pre-existing), Dream Helm, EthDoom Polearm, and awesome-ness. As a result, I made SRL an Infinity, and gave Giga Guess my old Arioc's Needle. I'll be giving him my Fortitude from my Paladin's mercenary at a later date, if he needs it, and I'm sure he does (or whoever gets to it first).

[Giga Guess]

Thanks Tav! My next trick is going to be making a working Fire Sorc (Which if either SRL or Cim drop out, could well be screwed... O_o)

[CimminyCricket]

I'm not dropping out lol, I've always made an ice sorc. Not sure why yet, but I do it.

[Giga Guess]

Eh. Fire's a ton of fun anyways. :p

[EDIT] 3O Colossus Voulge. Any good?

[Tavrobel]

So is indoctrination.

[Cruise Control]

I dueled some level 9 Auradin who thought he could take my Meleemancer. He didn't make it past one mage. I got one Ice mgae, three poisons. Froze, poisoned, and my warriors pwned him. Twice.

Then I ditched him in the Canyon of the Magi.

[Tavrobel]

[EDIT] 3O Colossus Voulge. Any good?

The only one for it is Crescent Moon, Shael Um Tir, and is not popular, since it's not that good.

The only really good Polearms are 4Os and 5Os. 6Os is good only if you have a good runeword in mind.

[Nominus Experse]

Baal is a bitch
Not anymore motherfucker

[Old Manus]

This is the first time I've looked at this thread :(

[Nominus Experse]

Congratulations: you are now part of the 9040+ views and 940+ posts.

And I have now made Baal my bitch.

[Cruise Control]

I must say, meleemancer is WAY more fun than a regular necromancer. More fun than my Auradin build. Oh, a question. If I'm building a paladin around Might, should he have very fast weapons?

[SeeDRankLou]

In general, you can sacrifice some attack for more attack speed. If you hit for 100 once per second, you do less damage than if you hit for 75 twice per second. That's an extreme example, but you get the gist. And if you have the Might aura, you are probably at least doubling that difference. If the weapons don't differ too much in damage, and the less powerful weapons hits the enemy more often than the more powerful one, go with the less powerful one. You'll end up doing more damage. You'll also end up repairing more, but that's trite compared to killing a monster. On the other hand, if you have a socketing quest, then you can always socket the more powerul weapon with a Shael, and that should even things out.

Tav, I am quite enjoying the Infinity. And I started doing public Baal runs, which are fun. People seem to like my merc. And someone even give me gold to revive my merc when I enter someone's tp into a hoard of Gloams, and her lightning resist I think is like 3 or something. But that is the only time my merc has died since I got the Infinity. Good stuff. If you are planning on making another one, or need another 4os elite polearm, I found another 4os Thresher. Countess runs are nice for finding socketed items.

And I also have a 3rd key to terror. So in theory, I could trade a Key of Terror for a Key of Hate, and the other for a Key of Destruction, giving me a key set. And I could trade that for a high rune. Am I on the right path there?

So I found an Ettin Axe, which I will use my nightmare socketing quest to give 5 sockets. Step 1 for a Grief, now just need a Lo and Mal (the other three I have plenty of). And if anyone finds an Archon Plate, either 4os or not socketed, could you hang onto it for me. Thanks a bunch.

I am almost no longer ill, so happy about that.

[Tavrobel]

This is the first time I've looked at this thread :(

You automatically fail.


I must say, meleemancer is WAY more fun than a regular necromancer. More fun than my Auradin build. Oh, a question. If I'm building a paladin around Might, should he have very fast weapons?

Probably. You'll need +IAS mods (increased attack speed) on weapons as a general rule, but once you get onto LoD, there are a great massing of Runewords that give both. Alternatively, you can socket something with a Shael, which gives IAS, I believe, as SRL has said.


Tav, I am quite enjoying the Infinity. And I started doing public Baal runs, which are fun. People seem to like my merc. And someone even give me gold to revive my merc when I enter someone's tp into a hoard of Gloams, and her lightning resist I think is like 3 or something. But that is the only time my merc has died since I got the Infinity. Good stuff. If you are planning on making another one, or need another 4os elite polearm, I found another 4os Thresher.

Yeah, that's why people try their hardest to find an Infinity. I may not have all of my Ber runes left, but I'll keep making them when supplies are available. If you are having resistance problems, equip a Fortitude, El Sol Dol Lo/4Os Armor with defense at 450+ (I've got some of those for you). I also have a Rockstopper Sallet with a Tal socketed, so it should cover your resistances and is good with its faster hit recovery.

What are you merc stats?
Difficulty?
Aura?
Helm?
Armor?
Resistance in Hell?


And I also have a 3rd key to terror. So in theory, I could trade a Key of Terror for a Key of Hate, and the other for a Key of Destruction, giving me a key set. And I could trade that for a high rune. Am I on the right path there?

Terror Keys == Hate Key, but two Terror Keys == a Destruction Key.


And if anyone finds an Archon Plate, either 4os or not socketed, could you hang onto it for me. Thanks a bunch.

I am almost no longer ill, so happy about that.

Ahh, that would explain your absence. Also, I have some 4Os armors, but not Archon Plates. Dusk Shrouds are also good substitutes, but a high defense one of those are difficult to find.

[SeeDRankLou]

OMG the typos and grammar errors in my last post. *cringes*

So if I get one more Key of Terror I can trade for a key set, awesome.

I have a 4os Scarab Husk with 470ish def and a 4os Wire Fleece with 450ish def. I guess it wouldn't hurt to use those, they are both better than a low end Archon Plate anyway.

So my merc, I have to wait until I get home for all the details, but here's what I know off the top of my head:
Level 83
Level 16 Holy Freeze (natural)
Level 15 Holy Shock (dream)
Level 12 Conviction (infinity)
Infinity Thresher
Dream Grand Crown
Duriel's Shell
All resists maxed.

All of his resists are maxed without Duriel's Shell, so I could probably upgrade him to the Dragon armor I want him to have and give Duriel's Shell to another of my mercs.

And yes, sinus infections are the devil.

[Tavrobel]

I though this sinus infection are mesing with you brain, to, SRL.

You know Dragon is 3Os, right? Sur + Lo + Sol.

[SeeDRankLou]

Yeah, I was talking about for a Foritude/Bramble/Chains of Honor (in a perfect world). I haven't found a good 3os armor yet, but it's not like my merc is dieing without it or anything. My sorc on the otherhand.

[Tavrobel]

Most Mercenaries use Fortitude when possible. It's realitively cheap, with great mods (including +damage).

Chains of Honor, Dol Um Ber Ist, is usually for people with sucky resistance (Amazons).

Bramble is a Poison Necromancer armor, along with Trang's Gloves, 20/20 Poison Monarchs (4 5/5 Poison Facets), 15/15 Helms (3 Facets), and whatever else they can scrap together.

[SeeDRankLou]

Well, my Rabies Druid is a poison based fighter too. He's actually wearing Trang's gloves. With Rabies and Poison Creeper maxed, 10 extra skill points to Rabies and Trang's Gloves, I'm almost doing 16k poison damage with Rabies. Add Bramble (especially if it's close to 50%+ poison damage) and I could well go into the 20k range and not add anymore "over X seconds" to the poison damage. I already own cows with this Druid without the Bramble, hell cows will be a breeze if I can get a Bramble and a few other things.

[Tavrobel]

Like 5/5 Poison Facets. Those are a necessity, because Conviction does not affect Poison ratings.

[Nominus Experse]

I've been meaning to make a Poisonmancer for some time now, but always thought that I would be fucked over by the Immunities and the like. Is it possible to have a workable, lovable Poisonmancer?

[Tavrobel]

Poison Facets (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/normal/ujewels.shtml) are your friend.

Also, since the poison tree is only 60 Skill Points, +10 for Curses, this leaves 40 Skills in reserve (Lower Res).

[Nominus Experse]

Should I make this Poisonmancer one that just runs around spamming Poison Nova, or one that can actually fight along side his Golem and Merc?

[Tavrobel]

Usually, it's Poison Nova. There's only a small Casting Delay on PNova. Most use Daggers for the synergy, but it is possible to melee with a Poison Necromancer. You'll need a hell of a mercenary, though.

The main 60 points are: Poison Dagger, Poison Explosion, Poison Nova (no pre-reqs).

For the remaining skill points, you can invest an additional 55 points; I suggest:
Corpse Explosion (is Fire based, as you know; Teeth pre-req)
Lower Resist (this also reduces Poison resistance, so max it; pre-reqs)

You probably won't be able to spend the other points.

[SeeDRankLou]

Poisonmancers are more than workable. Like Tav said, you have 40+ skill points to work with, which means you can make a rather viable back-up attack. You can max Corpse Explosion, build yourself a small skeleton army, use one of the golems, use some revives, you actually have quite a few options. There are only a few monsters that I have seen in the game that have a double immune that work against you (besides the random mods of uniques). All in act 5, there are wraith types that are poison/physical immune. And then there are Skeleton Mages who are poison/fire immune. The wraiths are far more deadly than the mages, and the wraiths appear in the narrow passages trying to rescue Anya. I'd say only having to worry about the immunity of one monster is Hell is a very good build.

[Nominus Experse]

Alright, thanks for all the insight Tav. I've always wanted to make one, but I never thought it was possible.

I made one named Mryhnlescas. It's going to be difficult to run about with no Golem, however, so I may need some help later on.

[Tavrobel]

I think Iratha's might be your best bet for a low level set (no weapon). I've got the full thing on mules.

Are you going to start by using Wands or Daggers straight off? Remember, you need high Dex.

[Nominus Experse]

I am pestilence incarnate!

[forevergamer]

my first character was a paladin.then when the exp came out i wanted to try the assassin.love that assassin!!


Been a gamer since,been a gamer still...

[Nominus Experse]

So, after a bit of research (Hero editing LOL), I have found out that it's very possible for me to reach these slightly ridiculous numbers:

With Trang-Oul's Wing, Bracers, and Girth, a Bramble Runeword, a 3 faceted Bone Visage, Stone of Jordan x2, Marrowalk (I couldn't recall any Poison boots), Perfect Mara's, and Death's Web Unearthed Wand, I get the following:

-204 Enemy Poison Resistance
+40 Poison Skill Damage

If I were to acquire an inventory of charms (Skillers, a Torch, and Annihilus) I would see the following:

Lvl 43 Poison Skills
Lvl 30 Fire Golem
735 to Lvl 13 Curse, with the exception of a Lvl 32 Lower Resist

Without any boosts from other charms, my Resistances would be:

Maxed Fire
80 Cold
53 Lightning
Maxed Poison

Small charms are easy enough to come by, and so the Lightning resistance ought not be too much of a problem.

A Lvl 43 Poison Nova does 9012-9253 Damage over 2 seconds.
9012 to 9253 * 244% = 21989.28 to 22577.32

Lvl 43 Poison Explosion does 82907 - 87513 damage over 18.8 seconds
82907 to 87513 *244 = 202293.08 to 213531.72
So that's 10760.27 to 11358.07 damage per second

Lvl 30 Golem does 735 - 810 Fire Damage
735 to 810 * 66% = 1220.1 to 1344.6



I am excited to say the least, but I must first find these items... Oh lord, I can only imagine the squirming and trading I'll have to do to get all this!


Another thing I noticed is that Lower Resist at Lvl 32 has the following attributes:

-66 to all enemy resists
Duration 82 seconds
Radius: 22.3 yards (Things a screen and a half away are under this curse by the time I see them)

Thus, I ought to be a Sorc's very lovely friend, even more so if my merc puts on an Infinity.

[Tavrobel]

Conviction does not affect Poison resistances. You may get better results from a Defiance Mercenary (if you melee with your dagger), or a Holy Freezer (yet another element at your arsenal). Insight is a must if you will spam PNova/PExplosion.

Now, as for Stats, they should look something like this, I would recommend:

Str: something in the area of 100 base for an Archon Plate Bramble, 77 for Dusk Shrouds

Dex: either Max Block Rate, or none at all; have you considered using Poison Dagger w/ a dagger? If so, Wizardspike should cover your resistances and caster rate quite nicely (75 Dex), or even a Silence weapon (on a 6Os Crystal Sword, low Dex, low Str; +2 skills and +75 resistance). I don't think any of us have a Death's Web wand on us, now runewords, I can handle.

Vita: all of it, 2 per point, 1.5 per level

Energy: if with Insight Mercenary, none at all, 2 per point/level

You Mercenary should have the normal Mercenary set-up for Casters (ethereal if possible):
Holy Freeze Aura from Defensive Nightmare, a must
Dream Helm (Mercenaries do not share Facet bonuses, unless they have their own)
Fortitude armor (Boneweaves seem the easiest)
Insight Polearm (either on a low Elite or good Exceptional)

If you are considering using Poison Dagger:
Defiance or Blessed Aim from Defense/Combat in Normal (not Hell), or AI mercenary with Faith
Doom Polearm, or BotD Polearm
Fortitude armor (it's a Mercenary staple, to say the least)
Anything with +Str or Lifesteal should work: Stealskull Casque, Natalya's Helm, Guiellame's Helm (Orphan Set), Dream

Now if you'll excuse me from my rant, I have food to eat!

[Nominus Experse]

I would rather run around spamming Poison Nova than using Poison Dagger, mostly because with Poison Nova, it hits multiple targets without any chance of missing.

And that's crap that Conviction doesn't effect Poison...

I have a Boneshade that might be worth trading for the Death's Web. I think I'm going to have more fun with the Poisonmancer than the Bone one I have right now.


I'll likely try and get the classic caster setup for Merc's.

I almost have enough for a Dream helm (I think I'm only missing Io, though I think I may have traded both my Puls by now...). I am only missing an Archon Plate and the rune Lo for the Fortitude armour. And I have everything needed to make an Insight, save the ethereal Cryptic Axe...

And I just realized that since I have 3 of the set, I can also cast Fire Wall and Fire Ball, which is a lovely thing for when I encounter enemies with a ridiculous immunity to Poison (Don't some get up to 140 or 180 immunity?)

Does anyone know what Level the Merc's Holy Freeze aura is? I've often wondered this.


EDIT: HOLY FUCK! I just realized that a perfect Insight grants +700% Mana recovery... So I will have anywhere from +605% to +730% Mana recovery due to Insight and my items...

Christ...

[Tavrobel]

I have four spare Io runes. Runes aren't too much of an issue.

Few Poison enemies have >120% Immunity. Lower Resist, when against an Immune enemy works at 1/5th ability. You shouldn't worry too much, since Facets are applied afterwards. If Immunity is broken, Facets do full damage, which is more important than LRes working at full capacity, because Facets do not affect Immune enemies until Resistance has been broken.

As for Mercenaries, Holy Freeze, I assumed was always level 10, or it might be based on leveling.

After doing some research, these are Poison Immune monsters, by Act:
Act I:
Skeletons (< 105): Returned, Bone Warrior
SArcher (< 110): All
Hawks (< 110): Foul Crow, Blood Hawk, Black Raptor
Spiders (< 105): Poison Spinners

Act II:
Maggots (< 125): All
Baby Maggots (< 100): All
Vultures (< 110): Carrion Birds
Mummies (< 110): All
Spires: Cannot be broken
Fire Towers: Cannot be broken

Act III:
Mosquitoes (< 110): All
Frogs (< 110): Slime Prince
Spirits: burning Souls (unknown number)
Bone Fetish (< 125): All
Tentacle Beasts (< 110): All

Act IV:
Great Demons (< 100): Nightmare, Venom Lords
Corpse Easters (< 110): All

Act V:
Catapults: Cannot be broken
Reanimated Horde (< 100): Nightmare and Hell, Unholy Corpse, Defiled Warrior
Succubi (< 120): Vile Temptress, Blood Temptress
Defilers (< 120): All
Pain Worms (< 100): Menace Worms

With a level 20 Lower Resist, you cannot break the immunities of those with 110+ Poison resistance, which is only the top two of the "All" monsters categories. Since LRes does 67/5, that is roughly 13%. Facets cannot break Immunity, unless they [monsters and Immunity] have already been broken.

As a result, either your Golem, Mercenary, Party ally, or regular Corpse Explosion (should you opt for it), can deal damage otherwise. This is a rather sizable number of enemies, and unlike most others, Poison Immunes are found in popular MF areas.

[Nominus Experse]

I suppose it doesn't really matter, since the whole point of the Holy Freeze aura is to slow the enemy, not dramatically hurt it. And the reduction of speed kind of plateaus at around Level 10 anyways.

Hmm, with this build, there will be Fire, Lightning, Cold, Meditation, and Thorns auras dancing about... I like that idea.

[SeeDRankLou]

For everything you might need to know about the stats of any merc, go to the link below. This is for 1.10, I don't think anything changed about mercs with the 1.11 patch.

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/d2/forums/index.php?showtopic=36551

So, I did some trading yesterday and ended up getting 2 Destruction Keys and a War Travelers (low end, but he only wanted a Terror Key for it). So, with a few more Countess runs, and maybe the assistance from someone else (more people=higher chance to drop key), I can easily complete two key sets. And I traded something for a Vex last night, it was late I don't remember. So I have another high rune to trade with, if anyone will that is.

And Tav, if I can't get anyone else to trade, can I trade you my Vex for another high rune you might have (Lo, Sur, Ohm, Mal...I'm not too picky). These runes are a bitch to collect.

Edit: Also, if anyone has a spare Lem, I have a Pul that I don't see myself using in the near future. Pul's are used for Dreams, I hear several people wanting a Dream helm at the moment.

[jaggernaut101]

>Cruise Control< >I went to E.B. Games and they didn't have Diablo 2. Man I must get it.<

[Tavrobel]

For everything you might need to know about the stats of any merc, go to the link below. This is for 1.10, I don't think anything changed about mercs with the 1.11 patch.

http://www.theamazonbasin.com/d2/forums/index.php?showtopic=36551

So, I did some trading yesterday and ended up getting 2 Destruction Keys and a War Travelers (low end, but he only wanted a Terror Key for it). So, with a few more Countess runs, and maybe the assistance from someone else (more people=higher chance to drop key), I can easily complete two key sets.

Edit: Also, if anyone has a spare Lem, I have a Pul that I don't see myself using in the near future. Pul's are used for Dreams, I hear several people wanting a Dream helm at the moment.

So basically, it's level 16 HF. Nothing changed for Mercs since 1.10, so that's no worries.

As for Keys, I don't bother with them, because no one has a character that can solo Tristram in Uber (IE a Smiter). I usually give mine to rusherkilla.

I have a Lem, but I don't know if I will use the Pul quite yet. Perhaps I could use another Hoto.

And sometime during our game, we were RUDELY interrupted by this son of a gun.

[Flying Mullet]

Good, I'm glad Marick caught up with y'all. He IM'd me earlier today asking if the group was still active.

[Tavrobel]

Not until I break my fingers will we not be active.

[Giga Guess]

All's I know is we need Nom to be the Charlie to our Angels (Poison to round out the elemental chart.)

[EDIT] Oh, I found this (http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) in my travels today. I think it's our solemn duty to start working this page up a bit.

[Tavrobel]

Good, I'm glad Marick caught up with y'all. He IM'd me earlier today asking if the group was still active.

He has an AIM?


[EDIT] Oh, I found this (http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page) in my travels today. I think it's our solemn duty to start working this page up a bit.

Do we have to?

[Giga Guess]

Because I say so dammit! :p

Okay, I just felt it's an eyesore, and among us, I think we could improve it significantly.

[Tavrobel]

I'm sure you mean that I could fix it up magnificently. Yeah, sure, okay.

[Giga Guess]

I'm sure you mean that I could fix it up magnificently. Yeah, sure, okay.

I...er, uh...have NO IDEA what you speak of. :shifty:

[Tavrobel]

This is disturbing at best.

[Flying Mullet]

Good, I'm glad Marick caught up with y'all. He IM'd me earlier today asking if the group was still active.

He has an AIM?
He has few different IMs.

[Nominus Experse]

SRL, I have a Lem I could trade for that Pul, which I do so very need.

I'll be playing for a good bit tonight, so hopefully my Poisonmancer will get to around 25-30 by the time I quit.

And I found another Poison & Bone Skiller, so that makes 3, w00t! Just six more to go!

EDIT: A lethal combination of Pokemon and my girlfriend seeing me has caused this plan to stall...

[CimminyCricket]

nom, if you still haven't up graded the equip for your barb, I've got more weapons you can use. :c)

[Nominus Experse]

Like an Ethereal 4oS Cryptic Axe and 3oS Ethereal Archon Plate?

0_o

[Tavrobel]

He has few different IMs.

Which one does he use the most, and could you send it to me? I'd like to be able to contact him.

EDIT: Thanks, Mulley.


EDIT: A lethal combination of Pokemon and my girlfriend seeing me has caused this plan to stall...

Pokemon, my old nemesis! Females are also the enemy!

[SeeDRankLou]

So if anyone needs one, I have a 4os Monarch.

So, last night I completed my Elemental Merc. I have yet to field test him, but he has 4 auras going on him at once. It just looks cool, and I can imagine if I rush someone in normal, and maybe even early nightmare, if I teleport kind of slowly I could level someone up in no time.

I now have an Ist and a Vex (I think), which I wish to trade for a Sur and an Ohm. It's time for a Bramble. Also if anyone has a Lo, I have a Wire Fleece with El Sol Dol in it, just put the Lo in and a Fortitude is made, only 111 str req. And finally I have a 5os Ettin Axe, and I plan to make a Grief out of it (with someone's help of course).

*WARNING* The following is me being bored at work and rambling. Read at your own caution.

I was just thinking of something for us Angels (I'm guessing that Fire is Sabrina, Lightning is Kelly and Cold is Jill??? :tongue: ). While my merc is good to go with the Conviction aura, which breaks immunities, with the -45 to Lightning resist (low end, but still does the job), there are no monster in the game that will remain immune to lightning with this setup. There are however monsters in the game that will remain immune to cold and fire. If we are all going to be together doing stuff, it would be pointless for all of us to have an Infinity, and I don't think the Convictions would stack. And so I propose the following. It's expensive, and might seem a tad unorthodox, but it will work if we are all on screen at the same time.

Cold Sorc:
Defiance Act 2 Norm merc
Doom elite polearm
Armor and Helm can vary (need research)

Fire Sorc:
Cold Act 3 merc
Phoenix crystal sword
Phoenix monarch
Armor and Helm can vary (need research)

Ok, so that's several expensive runewords, especially the Pheonix's. However, with this setup, the following would happen if we were all on the screen at the same time. My conviction will -85 to enemy elemental resists, and break immunities. However, only -17 when immunity is broken. With the Infinity, there will be an additional -45 to enemy lightning, so that takes care of all lightning immunes. With Doom, there will be an additional -40 to 60 to enemy cold, which will take care of all cold immunes. With the two Phoenix's, there will be an additional -56 to enemy fire, bringing the total up to 73, not quite enough for those 180 fire immunes. However, if one of the sorcs (preferably the fire one) is wearing at least 4 pieces of Tal's set, including the orb, then that's an addition -15 to enemy fire, which will get the job done. So that breaks the immunity of every enemy in the game that Conviction will work on (a few are immune to Conviction's effect), and thus make we Angels unstoppable. Not to mention this setup will also give us a level 20-30 Redemption aura, which will make enemies into our little potions and render Nilhatak corpseless, and make the act 3 merc a better version of the act 2 Prayer merc.

In retrospect, I do realize that if we are indeed all on the screen, we don't even need the Infinity, no enemies will be able to resist all of us. I was just thinking out loud, and again I'm REALLY bored at work right now.

/rambling

[Nominus Experse]

If I tag along, that's another -66 to all enemy resists.

[Captain Maxx Power]

If anyone's got a Ribcracker I may consider jumping back into the fray ;) I just want my Ribby back :(

[Nominus Experse]

Why do you want the Ribcracker so very much?

But, no, I haven't come across it as of yet.

[Captain Maxx Power]

Why do you want the Ribcracker so very much?

But, no, I haven't come across it as of yet.

Because it's pretty much the greatest weapon ever created...well, on WW barbs anyway.

[Nominus Experse]

I figured it was for a barb. I'll see if we can buy you into the fray if I ever find one.

[Tavrobel]

So if anyone needs one, I have a 4os Monarch.

I need it.


I now have an Ist and a Vex (I think), which I wish to trade for a Sur and an Ohm.

I have an Ohm. If you get on tonight, I'll be there.


There are however monsters in the game that will remain immune to cold and fire.

They still get hit by Lightning attacks. Maybe Poison.


[It] would be pointless for all of us to have an Infinity, and I don't think the Convictions would stack.

No Auras stack, unless it is the case where one has an Aura equipped and an Aura granted by an item. In all cases, the stronger overrides the other.


With the Infinity, there will be an additional -45 to enemy lightning, so that takes care of all lightning immunes.

If Immunity has not yet been broken, those mods that say "-to enemy resistance," such as Doom, Infinity, or Facets have no effect. Assuming that they do have an effect, they apply to only the character that possesses these abilities.


With Doom, there will be an additional -40 to 60 to enemy cold, which will take care of all cold immunes. With the two Phoenix's, there will be an additional -56 to enemy fire, bringing the total up to 73

Refer to above. If for say, a Mercenary has an Infinity equipped, and an enemy has not yet had his Immunity broken, that -55 LiteRes does not get calcuated. The game will assume that the Immunity is still in place.


[N]ot quite enough for those 180 fire immunes.

140+ resistance levels cannot be broken. This has been tested and proven by many people, with high level Convictions and Lower Resistance curses.


Not to mention this setup will also give us a level 20-30 Redemption aura, which will make enemies into our little potions and render Nilhatak corpseless, and make the act 3 merc a better version of the act 2 Prayer merc.

People use the Prayer Mercenary? This is new.


In retrospect, I do realize that if we are indeed all on the screen, we don't even need the Infinity, no enemies will be able to resist all of us. I was just thinking out loud, and again I'm REALLY bored at work right now.

It's a nice concept, but very difficult to make, and is probably going to not work as expected.


If anyone's got a Ribcracker I may consider jumping back into the fray ;) I just want my Ribby back :(

I may have one, but I'll need to check.

[SeeDRankLou]

But if immunity does get broken, those "-X to enemy ____ resist" do start to go into effect right?

[Tavrobel]

I already mentioned that: no. Facets and Infinity possess this mod, but they don't reduce Immunity any further than what was already there, if Immunity has yet not been broken (<100).

For instance, an enemy has 101 Fire Immunity remaining, and you had all 5/5 Fire Facets in your equipment, 6 (weapon), 3 (Helm), 4 (Armor), 4 (Shield); that's 17*5, equalling -85 resistance.

Guess what? If Immunity >100, that's not divided by 5, and applied as 101-85/5, Immunity is going to stay at 101.

Immunity MUST BE BROKEN for the "reduce enemy resistance" mod to effect.

[SeeDRankLou]

Oh when you say breaking immunity you mean reducing it to less than 100, I see. The wording was confusing me, my bad.

[Tavrobel]

Yeah, I do that sometimes.

People, Ribcracker is a staff, not a Mace, incase you tried looking it up.

http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/exceptional/ustaves.shtml

[Nominus Experse]

Who thought it was a Mace?

And I still can;t beat Baal's minions, but I can kill everything up till then. Lvl 32 now, which means no more of this Poison Dagger :skull::skull::skull::skull:.



Edit: Oddly enough, I can now kill Baal's Minions, albeit a very unorthodox and tedious process, not to mention strange... I basically have to herd these things and then separate them into pairs.

Tried going after Baal at 34, and then got stuck at around 1/2 his life. So I leveled until I got tired of this process at level 37.

I should probably just get over it and go do public games and leech experience and kiss ass.

[CimminyCricket]

lol, yes you should.

[Tavrobel]

Who thought it was a Mace?

I did.

[Nominus Experse]

I am sitting pretty with Lvl 31 Poison Nova at Lvl 45. This fucking rocks - I'm doing 3.5k*25% already.

Apparently Baal's minions of Destruction have a 95% Resistance to Poison: it's no wonder they are fucking difficult.

[Tavrobel]

Gentlemen, I do believe that they will either be servicing the servers, or installing a new patch. I recently have found that several servers have gone down, and accompanied by a red message indicating so, in the attachment. This could either be a ladder reset, patch, or servicing.

I'll bring you more information once I know what is going on.

Read this for LoD patch history. (http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d2-general&t=1296821&p=1&#post1296821) There is also a "problems fixed" patch batch in your DII folders in the guise of a notepad file. In case you are too lazy, I have uploaded it for convenience.

If it is servicing, then it's because of WoW. Simple as that.

Ladder Reset, then a middle-level RustStorm will be run, deleting most duped, non-changed ID items deleted, and characters and items moved to the normal Realms.

If it is a new patch, then it will require both of the above, the first patch since 2005.

[Nominus Experse]

LOL, me and Baal runs.

So Tav and I made as many Ladder-Only items as we could. I think it would be advisable that everyone does the same.