Time

[Evol]

Last night i finished read Revelation of Time Compression by Viator.
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=87440
To tell you the truth it's really a revolutionary thought!
I am not going to talk about all Viator's explanations.
I just want to talk about the last post he made in that thread.


The concept of Space as used in modern science are three extrinsic orthogonal linear metrics that are associated with the concept of existence.

Space cannot be transmitted from one object to another.

The concept of Energy as used in modern science is an intrinsic linear metric that is associated with the concept of existence.

Energy can be transformed or imparted to another object.

The concept of Mass as used in modern science is an intrinsic linear metric that is associated some part of existence.

Mass can be transformed or imparted to another object, depending on the context.

The concept of Time as used in modern science is an extrinsic linear metric that is associated with the concept of existence.

Time can not be transmitted from one object to another.


After i read this post it makes me think if this law of physic is true then how can you compressing or absorbing time into a single point?
(Time and space cannot be transmitted from one object to another)
I know the answer must because this is a magic or something like that. But i wonder if there's another explanation besides because this is a magic?

[nik0tine]

Because it's a video game.

[Evol]

I knew someone will say that but I need more than that answer.

[Zeromus_X]

It's said that Time Compression is a form of magic in the game. Which is also a fictional video game, as nik pointed out.


Dr. Odine: You vant to go outside!? You vant to fisticuffs!? Ok, we
continue ze story! Let's see... There is only one way to defeat
Ultimecia. You must kill her in ze future. There iz nothing we can do
unless we go to ze future. There is no way to jump to ze future under
normal circumstances. But there iz still a way! It iz because Sorceress
Ultimecia plans to compress time. Compressing time with magic... Vat good
will it do for ze sorceress to compress time? There may be many
reasons, but it doesn't matter. Let's just figure out vat Ultimecia iz
up to. In order for Ultimecia to exist in this time, she must take over
ze body of a sorceress from ze present. But ze machine must have a
limit. Ultimecia probably needs to go back further in time to achieve
time compression. Only Ellone can take her back further into ze past.
Zat iz why she iz desperately seeking her. We must take advantage of
Ellone's power. There are 2 sorceresses in our time. Sorceress Rinoa
and Sorceress Adel. Of ze two, Adel has not awaken yet. Once
regeneration is completed, neither Laguna not I will be safe. Sorceress
Adel is probably in ze process of awakening inside of Lunatic Pandora.
Ultimecia will want to possess Adel, if Adel wakes up. Zat vill be a
horrible event. Adel iz a horrible sorceress. If Adel's consciousness
wins over Ultimecia, Adel will first destroy this era. So we must use
Sorceress Rinoa to inherit Ultimecia's powers. Zat's all for ze mission
briefing. First, go to Lunatic Pandora. Ellone's probably being held
captive inside, so rescue her first. Then kill Sorceress Adel before ze
awakening process is completed. Now, we're left with Rinoa as ze only
sorceress of this era. Then wait for Ultimecia to possess Rinoa. When
Ultimecia arrives, it's Ellone's turn. Ellone will send Rinoa back to
ze past with Ultimecia. Ellone will have to send Rinoa and Ultimecia
inside another sorceress she knows in the past. Edea or Adel... Zat's up
to Ellone. Once Ultimecia iz in ze past, she'll use ze time compression
magic. We will see some influence here. I don't know vat kind of
influence, but once Ellone feels it, she'll cut Rinoa and Ultimecia off
from ze past. Rinoa will come back to this world. Ultimecia also goes
back to her own world. Vat would be left is ze time compressed world.
Past, present future will all get mixed together. You will keep moving
through ze time compression toward ze future. Once you're out of ze
time compression, zat will be Ultimecia's world. It's all up to you
after zat.


Now let's not have any more atomic clock charts so this doesn't have to be closed.

[Ryushikaze]

Just as you can compress mass in a spacial dimension, so too could you theoretically compress it within the temporal dimension.

Time, recall, is merely another dimension by which space/time is measured, and while under most normal circumstances is inalterable, under extreme conditions, it can be alterred, though you really will only notice it if you are able to observe a difference in the passage from one area to the next.

Addendum: And yes, it is revolutionary, at least in the sense that it does nothing but go in circles.

[Evol]

Just as you can compress mass in a spacial dimension, so too could you theoretically compress it within the temporal dimension.


Theorically...?



Time, recall, is merely another dimension by which space/time is measured, and while under most normal circumstances is inalterable, under extreme conditions, it can be alterred, though you really will only notice it if you are able to observe a difference in the passage from one area to the next.


Explain to me about "under extreme conditions" stuff.



Addendum: And yes, it is revolutionary, at least in the sense that it does nothing but go in circles.


I think he is not really good at english that's probably why.
He's probably wants to explain more detail about his theory but he just doesnt know how to say it.

[Zeromus_X]

There isn't anything other to Time Compression other than it being a form of time-manipulating magic, and it looks neat. Do you honestly think that the developers of the game put this much thought into the story, especially given the pacing of the rest of the game? ;_;

[Evol]

Actually it is really nice to make a theory to solve it.

[Zeromus_X]

There isn't anything else to it. xD I've bolded, underlined, and italicized the direct quotes from the game itself that best describe what Time Compression is, which doesn't need to be thought about any more than that. It isn't that complicated. It doesn't need to be solved. It's a video game, not a physics textbook.

[Ryushikaze]

Theorically...?

As in "Possible, but no idea if it can be done by anything other than the big crunch, in which time will technically cease to exist anyways"



Explain to me about "under extreme conditions" stuff.

Signifigant fractions or speeds higher than c, massive gravity wells, that sort of thing.



I think he is not really good at english that's probably why.
He's probably wants to explain more detail about his theory but he just doesnt know how to say it.

No, his theory just stank. The boy couldn't even remain consistent about things for a few posts in a row! The boy kept throwing Voyager-esque pseudoscience at us the entire thread, too.

[Nasarian Altimeros]

Last night i finished read Revelation of Time Compression by Viator.
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=87440
To tell you the truth it's really a revolutionary thought!
I am not going to talk about all Viator's explanations.
I just want to talk about the last post he made in that thread.


The concept of Space as used in modern science are three extrinsic orthogonal linear metrics that are associated with the concept of existence.

Space cannot be transmitted from one object to another.

The concept of Energy as used in modern science is an intrinsic linear metric that is associated with the concept of existence.

Energy can be transformed or imparted to another object.

The concept of Mass as used in modern science is an intrinsic linear metric that is associated some part of existence.

Mass can be transformed or imparted to another object, depending on the context.

The concept of Time as used in modern science is an extrinsic linear metric that is associated with the concept of existence.

Time can not be transmitted from one object to another.


After i read this post it makes me think if this law of physic is true then how can you compressing or absorbing time into a single point?
(Time and space cannot be transmitted from one object to another)
I know the answer must because this is a magic or something like that. But i wonder if there's another explanation besides because this is a magic?

hello viator how are you

[Christmas]

Yes, we all know Viator speaks the FACTS.

[Fonzie]

I know this is a post you favorite Viator and FE qoutes thread, huh? Now where's that chart he made?
Here it is :]
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|****Read a book please Evol/Vaitor********|**\* *********/
|6*********************************|***\ 13******/ 14
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|****\*****************************|**** ** / 15
|*****\****************************|**** /
|******\ **************************|***/
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|******/
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|***/
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[Sir Bahamut]

That chart changed the way I look at the world.

[Ryushikaze]

I know this is a post you favorite Viator and FE qoutes thread, huh? Now where's that chart he made?
Here it is :]
7--------------------8-----------------------9-------10----------11
|**********************************|\*** ***********/
|**********************************|*\** **********/
|****Read a book please Evol/Vaitor********|**\* *********/
|6*********************************|***\ 13******/ 14
|\*********************************|**** \******/
|*\********************************|**** *\****/
|**\*******************************|**** **\**/
|***\2*****************************|**** ***\/
|****\*****************************|**** ** / 15
|*****\****************************|**** /
|******\ **************************|***/
5*******>1------------12-----------------| /
|******/
|*****/
|****/ 3
|***/
|**/
|*/
|/
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I still can't look at this without seeing a Jawa Sandcrawler with a keel. Why the Sandcrawler has a keel is beyond me, but it's very very Jawa.

[Zeromus_X]

This is quickly spiraling downhill into spam/making fun of Viator and co.

Evol, you have your answer. Reread the selected lines I posted until you're sure you understand. It isn't hard to understand, whatsoever, and requires no charts or graphs or any deeper thought at all.