Fayth=Evil???

[Omega_Weapon]

Are the fayth evil???Because in The last fight when before you fight yu yevon they want you to summon them and then kill u? Wat is up wit dat??

[jammi567]

that's not being evil, that's self-sacraficing yourself. ;) :rolleyes2 they wanted to do that because then, yu-yevon wouldn't have anything to corrupt, and so could then be taken down easily.

[Firo Volondé]

What are you talking about!? Of course, fayth are evil, they killed Tidus!:( Because When the fayth stopped dreaming, Tidus ceased to exist.

[Goldenboko]

What are you talking about!? Of course, fayth are evil, they killed Tidus!:( Because When the fayth stopped dreaming, Tidus ceased to exist.

That was self sacrifice on Tidus's part.

[Griff]

What are you talking about!? Of course, fayth are evil, they killed Tidus!:( Because When the fayth stopped dreaming, Tidus ceased to exist.

Well that's one thing we can thank the Fayth for...

[Christmas]

And some of them likes to walk all over the place NAKED. :mad2:

[jammi567]

What are you talking about!? Of course, fayth are evil, they killed Tidus!:(
yeah. except that you can't kill something that wasn't even technically alive.

[Mirage]

He was sentient, thus, alive.

[Cloud master]

What are you talking about!? Of course, fayth are evil, they killed Tidus!:( Because When the fayth stopped dreaming, Tidus ceased to exist.

However After the credits of FFX u see tidus alive and swimming in an ocean. If u watch the secret ending in FFX-2 u see Tidus and yuna talking again, alive

[jammi567]

But then that was because the faith obviously thought yuna had finally done enough to get her lover back

[Sefie1999AD]

I don't think the Fayth were "evil", it was their plan to make Yu Yevon run out of Aeons to use, so that he could be defeated.

[Little Blue]

The Fayth aren't evil.

Sin dies, Sin was based on a fayth, Yu Yevon had possessed that fayth and now needs a new one as the fayth sin was made from is destroyed.

Yu Yevon's too strong to be taken out by the party at the moment, so Yuna summons her aeons. He possesses them, they fight you under his direction, you kill them and repeat until yuna has no more aeons.

Once this happens Yu Yevon is forced to fight you for his own survival since he has nothing to hide in. The constant possessing / exorcism he went through in the preceding battles weakens him enough to allow one hit at 99,999 damage to kill him... or is it two? I can't remember...

Thus, as said earlier, they sacrificed themselves and evil don't normally do that...

(Plus, to continue the Tidus bashing, they also allowed us to get rid of Tidus which also implies they're the good guys, but it's also because of them that he existed in the first place, and came back in X-2, so that makes me inclined to believe that they did perhaps have a slight evil streak in them)

[Firo Volondé]

Actually, Yu Yevon's that weak normally, and he uses the aeons as cover, to avoid the party's attacks. He confronts you when all his cover is blown.

In FFX-2, After YRP defeat Shuyin, it shows a scene where the Fayth (kid in a purple hood) talks to Yuna, saying that they can "bring him back" if she wants. You are given two choices, to accept or decline the offer.

[Little Blue]

Actually, Yu Yevon's that weak normally, and he uses the aeons as cover, to avoid the party's attacks. He confronts you when all his cover is blown.


I doubt it. If that was the case Yuna would not have needed to summon her aeons and would just need to kill the previous core (Jecht). If Yuna never summoned he would have nothing to hide in and would have confronted them. If he was weak, that questions the logic of the final battles. If he was strong originally the logic works and the aeons were needed to weaken him sufficiently.

[No.78]

This is dumb... Fayth aren't evil

[blackmage_nuke]

Fayth are like pokemon (unless you think pokemon are satanic), theyre not evil but summoners can get them to do evil things.

[Firo Volondé]

I doubt it. If that was the case Yuna would not have needed to summon her aeons and would just need to kill the previous core (Jecht). If Yuna never summoned he would have nothing to hide in and would have confronted them.
All Yu Yevon's power came from Sin, a product of the Final Aeons. The battle with BFA was when in his state before Yu Yevon possessed him. Yuna called her aeons to defeat the fayths, since Yu Yevon also had access to the fayths.


If he was weak, that questions the logic of the final battles. If he was strong originally the logic works and the aeons were needed to weaken him sufficiently.

You have infinite Auto-Life, which not only questions the logic of the final battle, but kills it and dumps its body in the river.:p If he was strong, he wouldn't have needed to protect himself with Sin.

[Little Blue]

I doubt it. If that was the case Yuna would not have needed to summon her aeons and would just need to kill the previous core (Jecht). If Yuna never summoned he would have nothing to hide in and would have confronted them.
All Yu Yevon's power came from Sin, a product of the Final Aeons. The battle with BFA was when in his state before Yu Yevon possessed him. Yuna called her aeons to defeat the fayths, since Yu Yevon also had access to the fayths.

I'm afraid I don't see the point you're making with this statement. I'm probably just misreading it though.

The BFA was possessed by Yu Yevon. When it dies YY emerges. Yuna then summoned each of her aeons, which were possessed by YY and then killed by the party. If I'm not misreading, you say that YY already had the power of all the fayth to some extent since he did have access to them, thus the fayth needed to be destroyed by being taken over and then killed. If that is true, then wouldn't the sheer number of Fayth on Gagazet be sufficient to give him enough energy to repel any attack on his being? (Also, and a slight aside since I'm about to mention gameplay which I hate to use for storyline, you can complete the game with only the 5 temple Aeons. If you don't need Anima, Yojimbo and the Magus Sisters to kill YY then how can your argument work?)




If he was weak, that questions the logic of the final battles. If he was strong originally the logic works and the aeons were needed to weaken him sufficiently.

You have infinite Auto-Life, which not only questions the logic of the final battle, but kills it and dumps its body in the river.:p If he was strong, he wouldn't have needed to protect himself with Sin.

That was one of the most pathetic parts of the game... But I usually dismiss it in a similar way to asking how can Lulu fit 99 potions, 99 hi potions, 99 mega potions, 99 phoenix downs etc, down the front of her dress. Simple gameplay mechanics that should, imho, have no part of a storyline unless actually explained (ie, stating that her dress acts somewhat like a TARDIS machine). The need for using the fayth for the final battles was part of the storyline (even though how them sacrificing themselves was not, hence this discussion), as was the final, disappointingly single, killing blow to YY.

As for the need for Sin, sure Yu Yevon was strong, but he wouldn't have been that way originally. He was just human to begin with. If he just stayed in bed to summon Dream Zanarkand, there would be little he could do to stop Bevelle shooting him on sight. Therefore Sin is needed to provide shelter at least. Sin also has a second function. Population control. It helps to protect DZ by preventing Spira from developing and eventually finding / destroying DZ. By destroying as much Machina it can stumble across and thinning down large centers of population, you find that Spira would prove no threat to Yu Yevon inside Sin or Dream Zanarkand way out at sea (if you believe DZ is out at sea). Granted the teachings didn't help much and only proved to further stagnate Spira.

[rubah]

Sephiroth1999AD has the idea here.

Since Yuna developed a bond with the fayth of the aeons she got, Yu Yevon would have the access to those aeons when she was around, I think.

The fayth keep telling her "Call us!" They realize that if she summons them before Yu Yevon inhabits them, then Yu Yevon loses the aspect of surprise, and she will be more focused and able to defeat them. When using the Final summoning, not only have you just lost your friend, but generally summoners only have a few guardians with them, and the battle against sin would be more exhausting without 7 people fighting against it xD

then there's also that yuna and Co. are far more powerful than any other people in spira have ever been, thanks to long hours of spherewhoring.

anyways, the fayth in themselves are not evil, it depends on who tries to use them :p

[Christmas]

The fayth might have agreed with Yu Yevon's plan to create Sin at some point of time. So they deservedly to die horribly.

And some of them still walk around naked.