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Shlup
11-28-2006, 08:18 AM
Quiz. Ready? Go! (http://www.myfootprint.org/)

THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

FOOD 3.2
MOBILITY 0
SHELTER 1.5
GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 6

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.3 PLANETS.

No debate. Just pointless quizzery and perhaps commentary.

Miriel
11-28-2006, 08:44 AM
!

HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING 30 DAYS??

Shlup
11-28-2006, 08:49 AM
Not recently. I always forget. I don't even know when it's on.

Miriel
11-28-2006, 08:52 AM
Oh. I just saw it yesterday and it was about two people who did that test and came out with 12 planets or something so they went to go live in an experimental ecovillage called Dancing Rabbit and it was kind of funny. They had to recycle their own poop. :D

Shlup
11-28-2006, 08:55 AM
Oh yeah, that was first season. Good episode. :)

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11-28-2006, 09:37 AM
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NorthernChaosGod
11-28-2006, 10:14 AM
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 5.7
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 4.9
GOODS/SERVICES 4.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 16



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.5 PLANETS.

Shaun
11-28-2006, 10:33 AM
*yawns* I have nothing better to do, so I'll take the damned test...


FOOD 1.6
MOBILITY 0.1
SHELTER 0.9
GOODS/SERVICES 0.8
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.4

"IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.9 PLANETS."

I doubt the answer's accurate anyway as some of the questions you really don't know the answer to...

Meat Puppet
11-28-2006, 10:52 AM
Aukland?
<pre> <b>CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES</b>
FOOD .............................. 1.9
MOBILITY ......................... 0.5
SHELTER .......................... 0.7
GOODS/SERVICES .............. 0.9
TOTAL FOOTPRINT ............. 4</pre>

In comparison, the average ecological footprint in my country is 8.7 global hectares per person.

It would take 2.2 planets if everyone wanted to live like I do. How fiendish of me.

Captain Maxx Power
11-28-2006, 11:25 AM
Let's see. If we need 2.4 planets to support everyone living like me, that means we'd need 59% less people. So, all we need do is kill off 3.8 billion people and problem solved. Ah maths, it may not give you the most desirable answers, but it gives you an answer none-the-less.

Firo Volondé
11-28-2006, 11:51 AM
I use 4.2 planets apparently.

Therefore, about 1.5 billion people can live like I do, the rest of you will have to find another planet. Sorry about that.

Levian
11-28-2006, 12:18 PM
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.5
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 0.4
GOODS/SERVICES 0.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 2.6



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 7.9 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.4 PLANETS.

I LIKE HOW THIS TEST IS IN ALL CAPS! THAT'S PRETTY COOL!

Giga Guess
11-28-2006, 01:27 PM
I have a global footprint of 6 (Mostly in food), and did I mention how I LOVE tests that make you feel guilty at the end? :mad:

Dell
11-28-2006, 01:50 PM
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES

FOOD 0.9

MOBILITY 0.1

SHELTER 0.7

GOODS/SERVICES 1.6

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.3



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 3.2 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.8 PLANETS.

Must be NANNY CHRISTMAS's job.

Roto13
11-28-2006, 02:07 PM
FOOD 2.8
MOBILITY 0.3
SHELTER 1
GOODS/SERVICES 1
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 5.1



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.8 PLANETS.

I refuse to feel guilty for living well. Don't worry, there are enough poor people to more than make up the difference.

Loony BoB
11-28-2006, 02:15 PM
FOOD 1.3

MOBILITY 0.4

SHELTER 0.7

GOODS/SERVICES 0.8

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.2



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.8 PLANETS.

Rocket Edge
11-28-2006, 02:27 PM
FOOD 1.5

MOBILITY 0.6

SHELTER 0.3

GOODS/SERVICES 1

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.4



- IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

- WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

- IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.9 PLANETS.

Denmark
11-28-2006, 04:03 PM
me living at home: 4.4 planets (i guessed on the size of my house and stuff since i dunno)

me living at school: 1.9 planets.

Martyr
11-28-2006, 04:31 PM
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.2
MOBILITY 2.5
SHELTER 2.7
GOODS/SERVICES 3.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.9 PLANETS


And yet I'm unsatisfied with the way I live my life. I want to require 5 planets to maintain my lifestyle.

Jess
11-28-2006, 04:41 PM
"IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.8 PLANETS." :O

Shauna
11-28-2006, 04:52 PM
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 4.2 PLANETS.

xDDD half of that was seriously just guessing. :D

Ethanol Dreams
11-28-2006, 05:09 PM
Food - 1.6

Mobility - 0

Shelter - 0.9

Goods/Services - 0.7

Total footprint - 3.2

If everyone lived like you, we would need 1.8 planets...


Edit: But how on earth were we supposed to know how big our houses and towns are?



I think that's ok. :p

black orb
11-28-2006, 05:09 PM
>>> CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 0.5
MOBILITY 0
SHELTER 0.6
GOODS/SERVICES 0.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 1.8

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 3.1 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.0 PLANETS.

DK
11-28-2006, 05:13 PM
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.5
MOBILITY 0.7
SHELTER 0.6
GOODS/SERVICES 0.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.5

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.9 PLANETS.

YTDN
11-28-2006, 05:45 PM
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 1.8
MOBILITY 1.6
SHELTER 0.7
GOODS/SERVICES 1.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 5.8



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 5.3 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.2 PLANETS.

We need to kill off two thirds of the population so the rest can live like I do. That sounds GREAT.

Nominus Experse
11-28-2006, 11:41 PM
FOOD 2.7
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 2.7
GOODS/SERVICES 2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 8



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.7 PLANETS.



Some of you seem to live "extravagant" lifestyles compared to mine...

Jigsaw
11-28-2006, 11:49 PM
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.2
MOBILITY 0.7
SHELTER 4
GOODS/SERVICES 3.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 12

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.7 PLANETS.

I thought I did good until I saw all of you guy's results

Yamaneko
11-29-2006, 12:07 AM
For every planet you DON'T destroy I'll destroy two.

Rye
11-29-2006, 12:13 AM
I refuse to feel guilty for living well. Don't worry, there are enough poor people to more than make up the difference.

Yes, I feel the same way. Maybe I'm apathetic, but I won't feel guilty for living well.

I guessed for quite a lot of those, but it said 4.0 planets for me?

Evastio
11-29-2006, 12:18 AM
FOOD 2.4
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 0.9
GOODS/SERVICES 0.8
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 4.3

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.4 PLANETS

:(

41-Inches-Wide
11-29-2006, 12:29 AM
IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.0 PLANETS

That is some third-world breeding... :(

kikimm
11-29-2006, 12:34 AM
1.8 planets. DAMNIT

fire_of_avalon
11-29-2006, 12:48 AM
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.9
MOBILITY 0.2
SHELTER 1.5
GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 8



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.8 PLANETS.

EDIT: K, the above is definitely my score. However, I took the quiz twice more, once answering the maximum/"worst" of ever category. This led the quiz to deem my global footprint as 77 acres, and that if everyone lived like me, we would need 17.3 planets.

I also answered the quiz as a vegan person, who lived alone with no electricty or running water, and never went anywhere on motorized transportation and I STILL got a footprint of above 4.5 acres, which led to us needing 1.2 planets to sustain the human race if we all lived like "me".

So apparently, we needs to start killins.

EDIT 2: I apologize. If I never took the bus anywhere, I would score a 3, which would be okay. Or we could still kill everybody else.

ff7+ff10 gurl 100
11-29-2006, 12:52 AM
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 2
MOBILITY 0.5
SHELTER 6.2
GOODS/SERVICES 4.4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 13



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.9 PLANETS

Is that good or bad?

abrojtm
11-29-2006, 01:02 AM
CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 5.4

MOBILITY 2.2

SHELTER 2.2

GOODS/SERVICES 4

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 14

Edit:

I took it again, and this time I was a little more honest/less modest.

CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 6.9

MOBILITY 28.9

SHELTER 26.7

GOODS/SERVICES 63

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 126



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 28.2 PLANETS.



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

RiseToFall
11-29-2006, 01:08 AM
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<!--******* END FOOTPRINT RESULTS TABLE *********--> </td> <td>http://www.earthday.net/footprint/images/spacer.gif</td> </tr> <tr> <td>http://www.earthday.net/footprint/images/spacer.gif</td> <td>IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.


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IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.3 PLANETS.
http://www.earthday.net/footprint/images/globe_full.gifhttp://www.earthday.net/footprint/images/globe_full.gifhttp://www.earthday.net/footprint/images/globe_full.gifhttp://www.earthday.net/footprint/images/globe_half.gif </td></tr></table>
Why does it hate me so?

black orb
11-29-2006, 01:19 AM
>>> You guys are destroying my planet.. :mad2:

Hurry up and colonize mars already.

Ryth
11-29-2006, 01:19 AM
CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 5.2

MOBILITY 0

SHELTER 2.5

GOODS/SERVICES 1.7

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 9



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.1 PLANETS.

Moon Rabbits
11-29-2006, 02:56 AM
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES
FOOD 3.1
MOBILITY 0.3
SHELTER 0.6
GOODS/SERVICES 1.2
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 5.2



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.



IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.9 PLANETS.

I did this in Geography, when I was in Grade 9, I think I scored differently there.

Chemical
11-29-2006, 04:30 AM
CATEGORY GLOBAL HECTARES

FOOD 1.6
MOBILITY 0
SHELTER 0.7
GOODS/SERVICES 0.5
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 2.8

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 8.8 GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 1.8 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE GLOBAL HECTARES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.6 PLANETS




I think it's telling me to commit mass genocide.

The Summoner of Leviathan
11-29-2006, 04:32 AM
I got 2.6 planets...

What gets me is the big jump in public transport. You have like 0-25, then 25-100. I mean that just way too big of a jump.

Martyr
11-29-2006, 04:36 AM
The base for this thing is 1 Planet. You have to be a vegan living in a multistory apartment complex without water and electricity, and you can't ever travel anywhere except by bike or by foot in order to not use up more resources than the planet can hold.

Which obviously isn't true. So this is a farce.

Shlup
11-29-2006, 04:45 AM
The fact that the results of this quiz is leading people to cry for genocide pleases me.

Chemical
11-29-2006, 04:58 AM
The base for this thing is 1 Planet. You have to be a vegan living in a multistory apartment complex without water and electricity, and you can't ever travel anywhere except by bike or by foot in order to not use up more resources than the planet can hold.

Which obviously isn't true. So this is a farce.

The hypothetical intention is that if EVERYONE on the planet lived the way you do.

You have to remember this quiz is intended to demonstrate how wasteful our society is.
Consider:
1) how populated our planet is.
2) how wasteful the Capitalist culture is.
3) how many people don't have the luxuries you do.
4) The rate of population is growing every day.
5) The rate of resource consumption is growing every day.
6) We are consuming faster than the world can replenish its resources.
7) We are consuming non-replenishable resources.
8) How much energy, time, waste & resources go into simple products

(for instance a cheeseburger: grain, grain harvester, grain sack, grain feeder, water for the grain, gas to run the harvester, pesticides, a plane to spread the pesticide, gas to run the plane, metals to make the plane, metals to make the grain harvester, metals to make the grain feeder, cotton to make the grain sack, a transport truck to transfer the grain, paper work involved in maintaining the books of the company who raises the grain, meat cow, materials for a barn, water to feed cow, slaugter house, machinary in slaugther house, metal to make machinary in slaughter house, preservatives to keep the meat, electrical grinder to grind meat, energy & machine to make patties, plastic & boxes to package patties, machinary to package patties, dairy cow, hormones to inject into dairy cows, machinary that takes the milk from the cow, metal cans and reserves that store the milk, machinary and electricity that pasturizes milk, cheese making machine, plastic & boxes for packaging cheese, transport truck to deliver cheese, transport truck to deliver meat,.... etc. etc. etc. for pickles, for ketchup, for mustard, for relish... everything is the product of a process and everything is super specialized.)

What I think is falace is that even if we lived the ultimate ideal life you had just expressed we'd probably still need more planets because they're are just too many people. Without condensed city locations and mass production (which causes most of the problems) we wouldn't be able to sustain the population we have.


The fact that the results of this quiz is leading people to cry for genocide pleases me.

Eliminate the people - Eliminate the problem

Yamaneko
11-29-2006, 05:02 AM
The planet can support six billion people just fine. The problem is poor resource distribution. Eliminate corrupt government, eliminate the problem.

black orb
11-29-2006, 05:44 AM
The base for this thing is 1 Planet. You have to be a vegan living in a multistory apartment complex without water and electricity, and you can't ever travel anywhere except by bike or by foot in order to not use up more resources than the planet can hold.

Which obviously isn't true. So this is a farce.
>>> Its not a farce, I think the results depend on the country and city you live. I have water and electricity, I live in a small multistory apartment complex, I rarely eat meat and I dont go anywhere..

And I still need one planet..

NorthernChaosGod
11-29-2006, 07:08 AM
I am being beaten by like a few people only, awesome.

The Man
11-29-2006, 07:25 AM
What I think is falace is that even if we lived the ultimate ideal life you had just expressed we'd probably still need more planets because they're are just too many people. Without condensed city locations and mass production (which causes most of the problems) we wouldn't be able to sustain the population we have.There are a huge number of people on the planet, but honestly, the quickest way to lower the population growth rate would be to bring everyone else up to a reasonable standard of living. It's pretty simple really, when a country is in Third World conditions, no one's particularly well educated or empowered, the social cost of having children is very low, the rate of children who die in childhood is very high, and the only way to have people around to take care of you in your old age is to if you have kids, so the logical thing for everyone to do is to keep smurfing and smurfing in their free time, because really, there's nothing else to entertain people when they're living on less than a dollar's worth of purchasing power every day. When you raise people to the standards of living of, say, most of Europe, people are far better educated, women are empowered to do more things than just mothering, and a child is a social liability until it graduates college or gets its law degree. Not to mention that, unless you live in a country where forty million people are medically underinsured, one hundred and ten million people are medically uninsured, and there's no national health care system to take care of those who can't fend for themselves, the state will take care of the elderly.

So the solution to overpopulation is to stop hoarding everything for ourselves and allow the people in the rest of the world to have some as well. Of course, this would require a massive paradigm shift on the part of the most powerful people in the world, and as Upton Sinclair wrote, it is difficult to get a man to understand a thing when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

I didn't take the test. I commute via automobile several hundred miles from Boca Raton to Sarasota most weekends, so I'm probably awful. Unfortunately, I don't have too much of a choice in this, since our country's public transportation system sucks ass.

Yamaneko
11-29-2006, 07:36 AM
We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

The Man
11-29-2006, 07:38 AM
That's because they have governments that are more concerned with stuffing their coffers than they are with helping their people. I don't think that's coincidental, either.

I posted some more on this subject here (http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?p=2003815#post2003815).

41-Inches-Wide
11-29-2006, 09:03 AM
We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

Madame Adequate
11-29-2006, 08:45 PM
We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

K. We'll stop. Sorry 'bout trying to keep you from dying there. Road to hell, good intentions, you know how it goes.

2.9 planets for me.

Cool! Let's get to colonizing already then.

BarelySeeAtAll
11-29-2006, 08:48 PM
hehe, i found that almost as random as me

Mirage
11-29-2006, 09:21 PM
FOOD 1.6
MOBILITY 0.1
SHELTER 0.8
GOODS/SERVICES 1
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 3.5

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.9 PLANETS.

Good thing not everyone lives as me then.

The Man
11-30-2006, 01:40 AM
We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.We really don't want your aid, either.As I explained in the other thread, that's because "aid" is usually used by capitalistic societies as a euphemism for "economic exploitation." If actual helpful things, such as buying land for starving people and teaching them how to farm it, were being done, I'm sure the sentiment would be much different.

Also, just out of curiosity, where are you located?

NeoCracker
11-30-2006, 01:50 AM
CATEGORY ACRES

FOOD 5.9

MOBILITY 0.2

SHELTER 2.2

GOODS/SERVICES 2.2

TOTAL FOOTPRINT 10



IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.




IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 2.4 PLANETS.

41-Inches-Wide
11-30-2006, 04:20 AM
We really shouldn't be giving the Third World much more until they can clearly show that they are responsible enough to manage what we give them. So far their track record isn't great.

We really don't want your aid, either.

K. We'll stop. Sorry 'bout trying to keep you from dying there. Road to hell, good intentions, you know how it goes.


I take a stance as such: I don't think foreign aid is helpful. The long term consequences is damaging and the people never get any help the aid is supposedly there to help them out. Actually, I think it's the one that keeps the third world still drowning in debt.