PLing and the Idea of IceMage

[Dante WolfWood]

http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/ask-squareenix-questions/63519-deliberate-level-capping.html


Dont know if anyone on here is on FFXIOnline but I thought this was a very interesting Idea. I especially like the idea that I quoted...Which I'm sure someone is gonna get upset abouy :love: .

Post your comments and tell me what ya think!

[Markus. D]

it seems nice

but then what is the point of the whole level process?

[Dante WolfWood]

I think he meant it just to shorten the gap between lvl 75 and non lvl 75 players. if theres a lvl 45-47 party; and they need one person...a lvl 75 can cap their selves and help em out (plus, it will help out with the shortage of mid-level parties). Leveling wouldnt become obsolete in any way,shape, or form.

I think its a great idea.

[Markus. D]

I disbelieve it is ._.

because it might spoil what you have to look forward to n_n post whatever level you are. IMO.

[Dante WolfWood]

well, I guess I can see what your saying.

I would rather fill that way than have a PLer to lvl 40-50, not have enough players to play with, and get stuck.

But again, I do believe you have a point. (trying to look at it from all angles)

everything has a positive and negative, just gotta outway the neg with the Pos.

[Yeargdribble]

I disbelieve it is ._.

because it might spoil what you have to look forward to n_n post whatever level you are. IMO.

What could it spoil? When someone is capped they will have only the abilities of that cap. You won't see anything you don't want to and it'll be just like a normal PT. The only thing this would do is cut out a little LFP time if someone in your LS was willing to cap and come XP.

SE will eventually have to implement something like this as the game gets older. It's already getting harder to XP in mid-range. In another 2-3 years, mid-range PTs will be near impossible to form.

I can see no negative effect from this as long as SE makes a point of covering potential exploits.




As for the PL issue, I have my wife PL me quite a bit solo while I LFP or through certain levels that are horrible (10-20). I just wish they could make noobish idiots stop feeling like a PL is mandatory without completely disallowing PLs.

[Markus. D]

I mean spells and areas and things.

[Del Murder]

When I first joined, I was sad that my girlfriend couldn't level up with me because of the level difference. Luckily she was a WHM and was able to PL in the beginning. But what if your friend is a WAR? It would be fun to party with your friends no matter what the level. All you need to discourage people from taking advantage is to severly limit the experience of the higher levelled person.

[Yeargdribble]

I mean spells and areas and things.

Then I don't think you understand. If someone is capped they will continue leveling in low areas and be limited to spells of that level.

It just means that if someone who's level 75 in your LS feels like it, they can set themselves to cap and join you in Yhoator for XP or something. They will still be limited by the imposed cap just like every other level limited area.

Nothing would be spoiled for you.

[Citizen Bleys]

I don't like this idea. It would require me to re-attain BRD gear from level 1-75 and I'd never get to do anything but exp as brd for whatever LS member feels like exerting pressure on me.

[Markus. D]

I mean spells and areas and things.

Then I don't think you understand. If someone is capped they will continue leveling in low areas and be limited to spells of that level.

It just means that if someone who's level 75 in your LS feels like it, they can set themselves to cap and join you in Yhoator for XP or something. They will still be limited by the imposed cap just like every other level limited area.

Nothing would be spoiled for you.

suit yourself.

[Dante WolfWood]

I don't like this idea. It would require me to re-attain BRD gear from level 1-75 and I'd never get to do anything but exp as brd for whatever LS member feels like exerting pressure on me.

this could work in your favor...

Charge for their exploitations :p

[Yeargdribble]

I mean spells and areas and things.

Then I don't think you understand. If someone is capped they will continue leveling in low areas and be limited to spells of that level.

It just means that if someone who's level 75 in your LS feels like it, they can set themselves to cap and join you in Yhoator for XP or something. They will still be limited by the imposed cap just like every other level limited area.

Nothing would be spoiled for you.

suit yourself.

What do you mean suit yourself? Basically, you seem to have failed in reading comprehension. You CAN NOT be spoiled in anyway that you have suggested.

You don't want to be spoiled by spells that are higher level than yourself. If someone capped themselves YOU WOULD NOT SEE THE SPELLS!

Your responses here are turning out to be like the ones in Miriels thread where you somehow extrapolated that she was dissing FFXI when nobody else read that. You seem to just blatantly misunderstand the topic of this thread.


Anyway... back on topic.

Bleys does mention one thing that would be a pain.... keeping so much capped gear. And if you've leveled BRD/COR/RDM someone will want you to come be in a capped XP PT with them 24/7. They would probably tell you to come naked if you told them you didn't have gear /sigh

[Dante WolfWood]

ya, that was the only thing that was wrong...but I have a suggestion. Make it an armor that caps you (well, maybe let it be a ring or something that caps you) and have a whole armor set available to you.

Now, the neat thing about it; make it where you can switch around the stats and only allow a certain number of stats in each portion of the stats (IE Def, Atk, MP, etc.) This would allow customization for specific places and specific levels

now, the numbers will be low enough where they are not as useful as normal armor you can purchase; but still useful nonetheless.

Also, the higher the capped lvl, the more stats allowed to be "upped"

it would take alot of work and if done right; the armor might not be NEAR as useful as the weakest armor at that lvl, but hey; it would solve the armor thing.

(also; make it job specific as well. Example: PLD would be allowed more def/VIT than others and mages could be allowed more MP or MND/INT)

what do ya think?

[Yeargdribble]

That's actually a great idea Dante. You could make about 3-5 sets of scaleable gear that would cover the needs of all jobs. Make it okay, but not incredible for the jobs it covers and make it scale. Then everyone would just have to own a single set of the scaleable gear for their job to come PT with you. Granted, they wouldn't be pimp, but they would be a nice, functional member until something better popped.

I would absolutely be willing to own a scaleable set and go XP capped with it at a moments notice with one of my wife's lower jobs.



My wife mentioned another potential downside. As it is, at 75, there are only a handful of acceptable PT builds. With caps, this could become a problem at lower levels. People would always invite WHM over SMN and probably PLD over NIN (pre-37). Every PT would have a BRD. You'd run into cookie cutter PT problems potentially ; ;

However, I think it would balance out over all. Generally the people you would be asking to cap would be friends and LS members, and they would likely be willing to PT with your less savory jobs.

It's better than the way it is currently when only 3 jobs are seeking in a given range and you absolutely cannot form any type of PT.

[Markus. D]

I mean spells and areas and things.

Then I don't think you understand. If someone is capped they will continue leveling in low areas and be limited to spells of that level.

It just means that if someone who's level 75 in your LS feels like it, they can set themselves to cap and join you in Yhoator for XP or something. They will still be limited by the imposed cap just like every other level limited area.

Nothing would be spoiled for you.

suit yourself.

What do you mean suit yourself? Basically, you seem to have failed in reading comprehension. You CAN NOT be spoiled in anyway that you have suggested.

You don't want to be spoiled by spells that are higher level than yourself. If someone capped themselves YOU WOULD NOT SEE THE SPELLS!

Your responses here are turning out to be like the ones in Miriels thread where you somehow extrapolated that she was dissing FFXI when nobody else read that. You seem to just blatantly misunderstand the topic of this thread.


Anyway... back on topic.

Bleys does mention one thing that would be a pain.... keeping so much capped gear. And if you've leveled BRD/COR/RDM someone will want you to come be in a capped XP PT with them 24/7. They would probably tell you to come naked if you told them you didn't have gear /sigh

well I am sorry if It feels like I am attacking you because I am not.

"Suit Yourself"

I had been up for over 24 hours and had pretty much been brain-dead when I had said that.

sorry ._.


so. alls you need is the required gear o.o?


but hmmmm. I dont mind seeing there spells. but as long as you dont have access to the WS/MA/JA etc. it would be fun.

[Rostum]

Basically Tsukasa, it'd be exactly the same as a capped event (i.e. Promys capped at level 30), only it'd be for experience points.

I guess I wouldn't mind the idea, would you still get exp and merit points being the capped person? The only problem would be having all the gear.

[No.78]

I dont see how this simplifies levelling, if anything it just complicates it. I say leave it alone XD

[Rostum]

Well, you can already do it in capped zones I guess.

[Markus. D]

Basically Tsukasa, it'd be exactly the same as a capped event (i.e. Promys capped at level 30), only it'd be for experience points.

I guess I wouldn't mind the idea, would you still get exp and merit points being the capped person? The only problem would be having all the gear.

hmmm okay.

its rather innovative n_n"


but yeah... it sort sounds like it overwhelms the already overwhelming pre-battle requisit.

[Dante WolfWood]

its not to make it more complicated or simple. its just to shorten the gap between lvl 10-64 and 65-75 players. Make it more equal in a sense.

If someone wants to xp with a lvl 30 party; only has one job at 75 and nothing else leveled (except sj of course) they can cap themselves and be ready to go!

as for as exp and merit; IDK; if SE ever implements it; that would be up to them.