The Anti Christmas rant

[NeoCracker]

Here are all the things I hate about Christmas.

Commercialism
The whole point of Christmas is no longer about family values or celebrating Jesus Christ anymore, but about Commercialism. They push all these Christmas deals on people using the figures of Christmas as nothing more than a cheap marketing play. The Christian family's who claim to praise Jesus on this day don't even think about him, only getting their kids good presents destroying the whole meaning of the holiday. I'm not even Christian and the fact that some people do this disgusts me.

Unnesescary Stress and lack of rational
So many people have mental breakdowns this time of year. They rush to get their children what they want, in such a rush they begin loosing sight of rationality and common sense. Some places Riots will break out over toys and movies and anything else you can think of. Those who are not sucsesfully begin to wallow in the idea they won't be able to give their kids a good christmas because they didn't get that Cyclops action figure or whatever the hell it is, and leads many to emotional and mental breakdowns over something as superficial as a doll.

No Seperation of Church and state
In a Country that is suppose to have a seperation of Church and state, it's quite strange Christmas is considered a National holiday. The only reason this would make sense is if our government is obviously slanted towards the Christian religion, as it is a Christian holiday. The only way this could be made right is if Quanzica(Or however its spelled), Hanuka, and just about any other religions holiday is also made into national holiday. But that will never happen as so many Christian Families would begin complaining that they don't want their kids exposed to "Devil Worship". While only extremists and ignorant fools will say that, there will still be other christians harping on about a seperation of Church and state, blissfully ignorant of the fact that their holiday is still national. The Hypocracy on some of these people astonish me to no end. But the people that bother me arn't them, but the ones who think it should be a national holiday because they are right and others are wrong, and everyone should worship their god and Christmas should be a national Holiday so that all may experience the Joys of their savior Jesus Christ.

My Final Reason for not liking Christmas
My final beef with Christmas is, for some reason, people feel the need to give people something on this holiday. Why the hell do they need a reason to do it. I feel doing it on a specific day each year kills the effect and meaning. You shouldn't give people something because its Christmas, or their birthday for that matter, but because you want to do something nice for them. The feeling of Obligation kills any kind of meaning behind the gift. If you actually need to find a reason to give someone something, then you suck. You don't need any kind of reason to do it.


There is my full Christmas rant. I hope everyone enjoyed their Christmas.

Edit: For a topic, what do you hate about Christmas?

[Rye]

I'm an atheist who wouldn't want Super-Commercialized Christmas any other way. I like presents from everyone, and I like giving people presents. But I mostly like getting presents. I do like spending more time with my Mom too, but I don't particularly like spending time with the rest of my family, because they get drunk and obnoxious/mean, and they upset me. I'm not going to lie. I like Christmas because I get presents.

I don't like how Christmas makes people get obnoxiously drunk.

PS: Your first and third points contradict each other.

[DK]

I'm an atheist who wouldn't want Super-Commercialized Christmas any other way, because I like presents from everyone, and I like giving people presents. But I mostly like getting presents. I'm not going to lie.

Jesus will smite you down, Devil Strumpet :mad2:

[Laddy]

I agree, I'm a Christian myself, and the fact that Christians are dominant is becoming to the point where if you're not, then it's hell for you. Also, people forget Christmas and use it as an excuse for gifts and profit, ruining it. Buying gifts is not necessary, maybe a picture or something would be better, but in gifts, although it itself is not wrong, but it becomes the only thing that matters. :)

[Dante WolfWood]

I agree with the first...about it not being about Christ; I mean take Christ out of Christmas...its...nothing...

but umm; the separation between Church and state..are you sure what they completely meant by that? The school was run by the church back then,so they implemented this so the Government in the future couldnt take over the school/church...(reason for this is bc of the past abuse of the Catholics in europe) Its being used in the public now in a way it wasnt meant to be used.

I believe its perfectly fine that this is a National holiday. (especially with the majority of the people claiming to be Christians) and look at it this way..This country was found on Bible beliefs, so in other words; look at it as an honor to our History)

but other than that; its Christmas!!! Be happy and forget the ignorance of Humanity just for one day; ok? :D

[NeoCracker]

I agree with the first...

but umm; the separation between Church and state..are you sure what they completely meant by that? The school was run by the church back then, they implemented that so the Gov. couldnt take over the school/church...(reason for this is bc of the past abuse of the Catholics in europe) I believe its perfectly fine that this is a National holiday. (especially with the majority of the people claiming to be Christians and that the fact that this country was found on Bible beliefs; in other words; look at it as an honor to our History)

but other than that; its Christmas!!! Be happy and forget the ignorance of Humanity just for one day; ok? :D

But it's no longer run by the church, but the state.

You want me to honor our history by supporting a stance that goes against our forefathers wish for a seperation of Church and state?

[Raistlin]

I'm an atheist. I have no problem with Christmas.

Christmas is a federal holiday. It can and has been celebrated secularly, with christmas trees and santa claus and such, which aren't remotely Christian. If I was around when they made Christmas a national holiday, I would've had a problem with it. But at this point, it's been made into a secular, federal holiday.

Commercialism happens with everything.

And you have a problem with Christmas because <i>other</i> people get stressed out?

If you don't want to buy people gifts on Christmas, don't.

[Dante WolfWood]

umm actually...Yes, yes I do; if it wasnt for these men, you wouldnt be free to say what you are saying now; so please, honor them, if you cant find any other reason to honor this holiday.

and again; its different than it was back then...what I wrote is what they meant by that when they implemented that law; if they knew this would have happened; they would have made it different.

edit: to the post above the one above me :D

[Vikeve]

I can understand what your saying but don't be mad at Christmas. I mean its all people who are making it more commercialism.

Your right you don't need a holiday to bye someone a gift but the gifts arent required. Many people including many Christians and Catholics make it seem like christmas is about family when its not.

Its about rejoicig that baby Jesus was born and that is the greatest gift. We don't even know if Jesus was born around this time.

But there was a pagan holiday that many people celebrated around this time a long time ago. So the profits perpously said that Jesus was born around this time to countradict the pagan holday and convert people to their religion. Thats why Christmas is around this time... but the thing is that I don't care.

Its nice to get gifts and meet up with family but it not what Christmas is about. Soget made at people for saying that Christmas is about family and giving becuase frankly there wrong.:)

[NeoCracker]

To be honest I don't hate Christmas, it's just there wasn't enough anti-christmas crap going around, and because I'm an ass I feel it was my duty to do it.

I still think I'm right on all my points, but it isn't that big of a deal to me. I do celebrate Christmas, just because my mom does and it makes her happy that I celebrate it with her.

Besides, it's an excuse to get off work or school.

[Rye]

Why would you be mad at someone for enjoying and celebrating Christmas for family time? That's the most selfless interpretation of Christmas, in my opinion. A holiday is not a definition that is given to you, it's something you define yourself by your own experiences and feelings, as you are the one who is celebrating said holiday. Christmas was started due to religion, but it doesn't need to be religious to be celebrated. That's like when I'm in Honors Choir, and we have to sing songs involving the Lord in them. They were created out of religion by the composer, but I can interpret them in my own way, because I don't celebrated a religion, and create my own meaning to them to more deeply connect.

[Vikeve]

Yeah, I had a feeling you started this becuase nobody else did.:)

Anyway, hope you had a Merry christmas.:)

[LunarWeaver]

Are you trying to offend someone with your "Merry Christmas"? It's "Happy Holidays", JEEZ!

I don't think about it too much myself. To me, it's nothing more then another day where I wake up and people give me money for no reason and I don't give them anything in return. It's all win-win for me.

[Roto13]

Oh people have been bitching about commercialism for decades (see the Charlie Brown Christmas Special from the 60s) and it's still awesome so hush.

My awesome good time with my family over the past four days (and more tomorrow) counters your whining. :P

[NeoCracker]

Oh people have been bitching about commercialism for decades (see the Charlie Brown Christmas Special from the 60s) and it's still awesome so hush.

My awesome good time with my family over the past four days (and more tomorrow) counters your whining. :P

I prefer the term bitching, but okay.

[Zeromus_X]

I'm an atheist, but I still enjoy Christmas. One of the main themes of Christmas is unity and giving, and it's quite enjoyable to give and recieve gifts and get along with your family for one day out of the year be together with family members for one day out of the year. It's a pretty enjoyable holiday, even if it doesn't have much to do with what it originally meant for everyone anymore.

Easter, on the other hand...

[Roto13]

Oh people have been bitching about commercialism for decades (see the Charlie Brown Christmas Special from the 60s) and it's still awesome so hush.

My awesome good time with my family over the past four days (and more tomorrow) counters your whining. :P

I prefer the term bitching, but okay.

Looks more like whining to me.

[Madame Adequate]

Commercialism is good.

[Vincent, Thunder God]

As much as I agree with your debates Corncracker (and to be honest,
I agree with about 95% of it) I don't really see that it's enough not to continue enjoying Christmas. Whether you like it or not, Christmas is here to stay, and even if I don't like some of the things it represents, there's no point to become a pessimist about it. I still like Christmas.

[NeoCracker]

But I'm always a pessimist. It's a great way to fill the free time.

[Chemical]

Come on Scrooge we all know Christmas can be more than that so why not let it when everyone is so cooperative in having a good time and celebrating the coming of together.


I'm usually a jerk but like any pitiful fool in this Western Society I enjoy the sadomasochistic ritual of suffering through the embaressing holidays with ones adoring and loving family.


I like the social appearance; the formal and ritualistic 'HowDoYouDo?" The dysfunctional squabbles and family gossip all spilled on the table with turkey, wine and rum cake. The annual "Oh God Roll My Eyes" or the pleasantful little "Why thank you for the card I greatly appreciate the thought." The gorging on Belgian chocolates and the long distant phone calls. The familiar smells of spice and coffee or the remembering laughs, shouts and sometimes even the tears.

Ah Christmas;
May you always be cheery and bright.

[fantasyjunkie]

I'm an atheist. I have no problem with Christmas.

Christmas is a federal holiday. It can and has been celebrated secularly, with christmas trees and santa claus and such, which aren't remotely Christian. If I was around when they made Christmas a national holiday, I would've had a problem with it. But at this point, it's been made into a secular, federal holiday.

Commercialism happens with everything.

And you have a problem with Christmas because <i>other</i> people get stressed out?

If you don't want to buy people gifts on Christmas, don't.

I'm also an aheist and I love Christmas. It's paid time off from work and its' a chance to see my family and it's fun giving each other gifts. Is it stressful! Yup! It sure is, especially for me since I'm a parent but I love buying gifts for my wife and kid.
And putting up the tree is fun too! And the lights outside also!

[escobert]

You know, all day at worked I was wondering while these people were singing christmas songs in the halls "What if these people in the hospital aren't christian or whatever, and this offends them." I mean it would piss me off if they bring 4 yes that's right 4 friggen santas into 1 hospital! It's just crazy how BIG christmas is taken for something that most of us don't even practice. Most familys don't go to church anymore yet everyone who is "christian" celebrates it. It's just funky if you ask me.

[Roto13]

Oh, great. You're one of those people who doesn't want anyone to say Merry Christmas any more, aren't you? If someone is offended by Santa Claus, tough :skull::skull::skull::skull:.

[Yamaneko]

I just hate the commercials and the jingles.

[Christmas]

I HATE EOEO topic in general chat during X'mas.

[nik0tine]

Christmas is evil. Think of the Jews. Those poor, poor Jews.

[Peegee]

Commercialism is amazing and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I spent well over 1500$ on gifts this year and I still have money left over. *flex*

[Rainecloud]

Although I don't celebrate Christmas, I enjoy observing it.

Watching everyone at work get completely stressed out is somewhat entertaining.

[blackmage_nuke]

Maybe you should put a skull on your table every Christmas to remind everyone that even though it's Christmas people still die

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[Xander]

So make Christmas what you want to then, as long as it's a happy time with my family/loved ones I don't really care about that other stuff *shrug* I don't like the busy shops so I avoid them, I don't think people should buy just at Christmas, so I don't, it's not about religion to me so I don't think about that stuff. You can really enjoy it how you want, imo, but why not enjoy it? :)

[Mittopotahis]

My final beef with Christmas is, for some reason, people feel the need to give people something on this holiday.
This is a tradition that has been around since the beginning of Christmas. Think about the first Christmas ever, the birth of Jesus Christ. On that night, the three wise men gave Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh. That is why presents are given.

[sephirothishere]

uh..xmus is about hte birth of santuh...

[Citizen Bleys]

I merely find Christmas moderately annoying. I do enjoy spending time with my extended family...once in a while. Four times a year would be ideal if my relatives were also Taoist. I'd just rather do it in the spring or summer when the weather isn't crap. It's more fun when it's a well-earned vacation.

[Bart's Friend Milhouse]

What's your beef with Santa's sister?

[Ultima Shadow]

I'm an atheist who wouldn't want Super-Commercialized Christmas any other way. I like presents from everyone, and I like giving people presents. But I mostly like getting presents. I'm not going to lie. I like Christmas because I get presents.
Yup, same here.:greenie:

[Miriel]

Christmas does stress me out.

In the end, it's nice to see the happy looks on people's faces when they open their presents. And that makes me go "aww". But Christmas time really is stressful. But I find shopping in general to be stressful and to add on top of that the intensely crowded and frenzied atmosphere of the mall and other shopping centers around Christmas time? Ugh. I hate that. It's disgusting and it makes me want to start kicking people.

I do enjoy wrapping gifts though. That's fun.

I wrapped my little cousin's presents in 20 layers of wrapping. :D

[Dr Aum]

I'm very fond of Christmas as it is now, although I do wish it were a bit more like Saturnalia.

The only thing better than rampant commercialism is rampant commercialism with sex.

[Anaisa]

I dislike the hordes of dozy uncoordinated people bumbling around town, scurrying for Christmas goods. I hate the traditional mass murder of Turkeys, an the way people think it's perfectly acceptable. That also applies to similar evilness like putting Goose fat on potatoes. I don't like miserable sods who complain about other people having lots of decorations on their house. I hate people telling me Christmas is for children. No wonder most kids are little brats when that's the sort of drivel their parents come out with. Christmas is for children.....Don't make me sick. Oh, an little tarts in cheap Santa style outfits. Like we need them to advertise that their still a slut at Christmas time.

[Roto13]

We have a tradition at our house where we beat and drag a turkey through the mud before we strangle it with our bare hands and eat it raw.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

I hate the traditional mass murder of Turkeys, an the way people think it's perfectly acceptable.

At least they won't get bird flu this way. ;)

[Old Manus]

http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/christmas.jpg

EDIT: roto won the thread btw

[DarkLadyNyara]

You want me to honor our history by supporting a stance that goes against our forefathers wish for a seperation of Church and state?


umm actually...Yes, yes I do; if it wasnt for these men, you wouldnt be free to say what you are saying now; so please, honor them, if you cant find any other reason to honor this holiday.
I think you're missing the point. The founding fathers would not have wanted Christmas as a national holiday. By making it one, we are dishonoring their vision of America.

And I dislike the violation of the separation of church and state, along with idiots who scream about the "War on Christmas" whenever someone says 'happy holidays". :rolleyes2

[Anaisa]

I hate the traditional mass murder of Turkeys, an the way people think it's perfectly acceptable.

At least they won't get bird flu this way. ;)A dead Turkey can still give you bird flu.
We have a tradition at our house where we beat and drag a turkey through the mud before we strangle it with our bare hands and eat it raw. You throwbacks have all the fun.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

A dead Turkey can still give you bird flu.

No, it won't get bird flu. I have the turkey's best interest at heart here.

[Anaisa]

A dead Turkey can still give you bird flu.

No, it won't get bird flu. I have the turkey's best interest at heart here.I'm sure the Turkeys would prefer to live, an risk contracting bird flu.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

I'm sure the Turkeys would prefer to live, an risk contracting bird flu.

They're fricking turkeys! What do they know anyway?

[Dr Aum]

I'm sure the Turkeys would prefer to live, an risk contracting bird flu.

They're fricking turkeys! What do they know anyway?

Don't insult turkeys. They were the runner-up for the national bird of the USA.

Although frankly I wish that our beloved one-finger salute had won the contest.

[Anaisa]

I'm sure the Turkeys would prefer to live, an risk contracting bird flu.

They're fricking turkeys! What do they know anyway?They know they want to live, that's for sure.

[Roto13]

I'm sure the Turkeys would prefer to live, an risk contracting bird flu.

They're fricking turkeys! What do they know anyway?They know they want to live, that's for sure.

If they wanted to live they wouldn't stare up at the sky with their mouths open and drown themselves in the rain.

[Anaisa]

I'm sure the Turkeys would prefer to live, an risk contracting bird flu.

They're fricking turkeys! What do they know anyway?They know they want to live, that's for sure.

If they wanted to live they wouldn't stare up at the sky with their mouths open and drown themselves in the rain.They don't stare up at the sky with their mouths open an drown themselves in the rain. That's just a silly myth. A Turkey wouldn't even look up at the sky. The way Turkeys vision works if it were to look at the sky, it would tilt it's head sideways, not up.

[Roto13]

Oh, whatever. They're yummy. Hell, I'd eat you if I thought you tasted as good as a turkey.