Playstation 4 to complete the 'Circle of Life?'

If they make a dreamcast 2 within five years I will buy you one.

Backwards compatibility has been pretty smurfed since the PS2. 360's was shoddy at best, PS3 was great if you got the original 40G version, otherwise you only have PS1 emulation. While nice, it kind of sucks it won't play PS2. The only one of this generation that was fully backwards compatible at all times is the Wii, the console in which no one gave two trouts about it's ability to play Gamecube games.

I'm not as skeptical as some about removing used games for a few simple reasons:
1) Half the industry is going on about how bad they are. I don't think half of them have thought things through (what happens to the industry when the people who resell games to buy new ones can't do that anymore? Particularly when everyone has yearly releases of something or other?), but the reality is that many developers are in favour of stopping resale, and sadly, they're even succeeding in convincing customers that giving up their rights for absolutely nothing in return is necessarily a good thing.
2) Steam has basically already done away with used sales (though honestly, I think they may move to being able to trade games now that trading is built into Steam. They seem to be making that progression there). Steam has shown that under the right circumstances, many gamers are ok with not being able to resell games.

The big problem for Sony and Microsoft though is that the reason people put up with that aspect of Steam is because of frequent, ridiculously awesome sales, and a service that is both free, and generally just works better than anything on consoles. There's also the problem that if Sony or Microsoft don't both get rid of used sales, then the one who allows them basically wins price conscious customers and game traders by default.

We'll have to see how it all plays out, but honestly, there is good reason to be a lot more concerned about a used game ban by console makers now than there was when the PS3 was coming out.

If anyone was to lock games to eradicate the used games market then it'd probably work out like how EA does it with Fifa and Mass Effect 3 and so forth whereby: An Online License is required for full online play (note the higher level of online multiplayer in games, even Mass Effect 3 had it) Now if you buy the game second hand, you can buy a license seperately online but they cost around £10 or so. Now purchasing the license isn't so bad if you're paying £20 less than the retail new copy considering £10 saved is £10 in your pocket. However when you consider popular titles like Mass Effect 3, Fifa 12 and so forth are guaranteed to remain at a high price on the product market until the end of their "hype" (in effect for Fifa this is when the next Fifa comes out) it becomes a moot point. Fifa 12 pre-owned for example will set me back around £35 in most places. Then I'll have to buy the online license to play Paul and Dan (about the only people I would consider buying the game for) which costs more than the money for a new copy

EA does that?! Wtf.

There's an image that's been circling around!



Who knows if it's legit or not!

that is a really really old picture.

Makes sense now though huh?

That is the ugliest console I have ever seen.

Originally Posted by NorthernChaosGod

EA does that?! Wtf.

Yes, they do, in fact it's common practice now. Which is therefore the reason why people like Quin waiting to pick ME3 up second hand are wasting their time, might as well suck it up and buy it now at market price it'll cost more otherwise. I mean I'm guessing at the cost of an online license a bit but £10 is the minimum I would assume they'd charge, if not more. Considering in most games especially sports titles like Fifa, the multiplayer is 50% or more of the games appeal.

There's an image that's been circling around!

I highly, highly doubt that Sony would change the controller shape away from something that's silhouette has become synonymy with their brand.

Kotaku is so full of trout it's embarrassing to read their articles anymore.

The no back-compatability makes sense to me since they did that with the newer ps3's. (I was lucky enough to buy one of the first models that has it). It is bull to eliminate that feature.

Also if its true that ps4 is coming out in 2014, I am highly disappointed in the console non-shooter RPGs for this generation. PS1 had a lot of them and some great ones, same thing for ps2 and ps3 is just lacking (of-course my opinion).

I'm used to the whole no used games thing since I play a lot of stuff on PC, and it's been like that for years. Still curious how well the console market could handle the transition to that though. Definitely not a fan of systems that lack backward compatibility though. Most new consoles experience a dry spell after they launch, and having the BC on board at least makes me feel like I'm getting some use out of that system during that period, even if it's for older games, as opposed to the thing sitting there gathering dust and I start to regret having bought it.

Originally Posted by I Don't Need A Name

According to the recent report from Kotaku the next Playstation is known as the Orbis and is due for release in late 2013.

Current specs reported are an AMD x64 CPU and an AMD Southern Islands GPU, but these are obviously subject to change over the time period. The current GPU is reported to be able to display resolutions of up to 4096x2160, with the added ability to produce 1080p 3D visuals, which is enough to make any 3D fanboy jump for joy, affter the PS3 only managed to scrape 720p.

Major downsides include no backwards compatibility, which resembles the nightmare of the PS3's launch. Sony are also keen to back the elimination of preowned games, whereby new games will apparently be locked to the original users PSN account. However all games will be up for download on the PSN, along with the standard Blu-Ray disc versions.

One final point is the choice of name for Orbis. Orbis is latin for Circle or Ring which, when coupled with Vitae (PS Vita anybody?) would create 'Circle of Life.' Aka, Sony's next generation console collection!

Everyone is looking forward to more information on this, along with that of the next X-Box and maybe some more intel on the Wii-U. All eyes should be looking forward onto this years E3, it seems.

>>> Worst console ever..

I don't intend to buy either of the only gaming devices worth any kind of damn (), but I hope that the locking games thing is true so that my smugness can increase and my present contempt for the games industry will prove reasonable.

First of all it's a rumor article on kotaku. No need to get the pitchforks yet.

I've kinda moved on from the whole current gaming scene so I doubt I'll be ready for this by 2013. I'm somewhat ashamed to say I recently bought a tablet over a PS VITA. There's just too many classics and hits on console and portable for me to keep up anymore. I'm still a Call of Duty addict so I may end up getting one anyway.

All that stuff you pointed out is admittedly pretty outrageous. I feel it will be interesting to see a next gen because I do not believe the publisher corps. can adequately support one. Looking at these measures I don't think consumers can either.

Well considering I have had my ps3 for about four and a half years now and probably only have about five games (that I hardly ever play) and will often go months on end without even turning the machine on I think I will pass on the ps4 no matter what the features are.

I used to be a huge final fantasy fan during the original playstation era but I have gotten no more than maybe ten hours into either final fantasy 12 or 13.

>implying anyone in this thread won't still pay through the nose for it and its games regardless

I heard if you put a PS4 next to an Xbox or Nintendo console, it burns your house down.