I'm not sure I can be more clear, but I'll try: Please stop making assertions about me and try to stick to what is actually being discussed. If you would like to go on a tangent about another belief you think I may have, it would be a better use of our time if you were to avoid stating it as though it were already a fact. Making assertions about someone and building your point on a really valid point and i'm impressed by your thinking. isn't an appropriate or polite thing to do in the first place, so it's definitely not appropriate for you to then call me out for not defending myself against those assertions.
I find it irrational that you have not once rejected any of these assertions ive made, only that ive made them. What have I accused of, other than adopting doctrine of feminism? Which I think is a fair judgement based on things you've been saying and complaining about.
I'm sure you've also read what I've actually said and it's your right to disagree with me, but the way you've attributed things I haven't said to me several times leads me to believe that you've already decided, based on the labels that, again, you put on me, what I must believe. I think it would be a better use of our time if you either stuck to discussing what was actually being said or asking me if I believed certain things instead of arguing with straw men, but I don't control you. And I know I probably sound condescending. I'm sorry about that; I admit I'm one of those people that sees logical fallacies and tsk tsks about it even though I try to phrase it nicely. I don't think poorly of you in spite of my irritation with your "label and dismiss" tactics.
For the record, I have judged you based on what you've said. You cant hide it.
I think the difference is that I don't agree with your view on a culture that perpetuates rape. Things like asking a girl to show her tits, however crudely worded, does not perpetuate a culture of rape, in my opinion. Robin Thick's song, however lame, does not encourage rape. You seem to have gone off on a tangent on something we weren't talking about, and are crediting me with it. We were talking about whether treating crime as a fact of life and making potential victims equally responsible for preventing themselves from being victimized increases the acceptability of those crimes within a culture. Whether or not verbal assault and glamorizing sexual assault perpetuate rape culture is a completely different topic. I think a lot of the time the idea of "every man is a potential rapist", scares women to the point where they feel uncomfortable having a conversation with a man who's just trying to be friendly (see elevator-gate). That's a part of the point I was making.
what did I try to credit you for? What list?
I find it really odd that you'd credit me with a list of points I didn't try to make.
I think the difference is that I don't agree with your view on a culture that perpetuates rape. Things like asking a girl to show her tits, however crudely worded, does not perpetuate a culture of rape, in my opinion. Robin Thick's song, however lame, does not encourage rape. I think a lot of the time the idea of "every man is a potential rapist", scares women to the point where they feel uncomfortable having a conversation with a man who's just trying to be friendly (see elevator-gate). Being a victim myself of other means, I understand where you're coming from. I agree with everything else you've said, I think that will be the extent of our eye to eye though, in this regard.
Do you on an individual level find crime acceptable? I'm sure you don't. I'm talking about the cultural influence of telling people it's their responsibility to prevent themselves from becoming victims. I'll just say, again, when you say "If you don't want nasty comments then don't put yourself on webcam" it's the same thing, though to a lesser degree, than saying "If you don't want to be assaulted then cover up with a berka." I'm not interested in policing thoughts. I'm interested in facilitating a society that holds people accountable for their anti-social behavior, not the victims of that behavior.
I never said crime is acceptable. Crime is not acceptable, thats why we as a society denounce it and punish those that commit crimes. Crime will happen, so you need to protect yourself. People want to be told how to stop being harrassed while they are streaming gameplay online, I provided a sugguestion that will stop it and you seem to keep going back to "Well women shouldn't have to etc" its just not logical. I dont think im being unreasonable. The areas where these injustices are accepted are not viewed as crimes, therefor they go unpunished. After our discussion the conclusion I've come to is that you basically want to police the behaviour and thoughts of men online and expect everyone to comply without objection. Ambitious, at the very least.
