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Claimer: I want to apologize beforehand for anything offensive that you may read in this blog. The following information is probably going to be largely based on a point of view that is not universal and potentially aggressive.


I recently read an article suggesting that modern atheists are not only more moral than most Christians, but also more educated in all things, including Christianity and other religions in general. It was filled with solid information that, by and large, supported the strong growth of atheism without accusing religious people too harshly. Very eloquent. It made me think about the future of Christianity a bit.

I recently watched Pitch Black with Vin Diesel.
It's a sci-fi, and the writer chose to make some of the characters Muslim. But they were peaceful Muslims, the kind that could be replaced with any religion that believes in a higher power that may take care of them, slightly evangelical. A completely different character plays the Jesus role. And the reform role.
Anyway, it seems silly to imagine a bunch of Muslims cruising through space in an intergalactic ship. Or any religion. I think it's funny to imagine a large painting of The Last Supper on the steely wall of a space ship or a planet reserved for Buddhist monks who tend to geared up astronauts at the spaceport. All the standard, old school religous garb. I don't know why exactly, maybe because I don't watch enough sci-fi (the more I think about it, the more wrong I feel, but I'm still leaning the direction I began at); continuing, I think our modern religions simply aren't a strong element in most sci-fi. Not in my experience. When religion is predominant in such a setting, it is usually attached to some sort of godlike alien beings who are far too apparent to require the kind of faith-based practice that is incorporated in modern religion (on our planet).

What I'm thinking is, even now, even among very religious and faithful people, the sci-fi future brings an atheistic image to mind. As humanity rolls on into the uncertain future and the infinite reaches of space, the expected thing is for religion to fade and science to dominate (although I disagree with those who believe that religion and science cannot coexist). It is expected that people will lose their desire to worship a supreme being as we acquire technology to infinitely expand our lifelines and provide Utopian worlds to live in.
But I suppose that is the problem with religion in the first place, especially a holy afterlife religion like Christianity.
All too often, we hear somebody give a testimony to the tune of: "I used to be a killer! I committed homosexual acts against those I killed, both before and after I fired the gun! Then I disobeyed my parents, coveted my neighbor's car, stole a turkey dinner from a hobo and lied about it priest! But now that I'm a Christian in a transformed, born again body, I give money to the poor, am healthier and happier with my lifestyle, have found a job as a CFO for the 8th listed Forbes 500 billionaire companies and will be going to heaven to live for eternity in a far lovelier environment than a pit of burning flames. If it weren't for religion, I never would have figured out that what I was doing was a hindrance to society!"

sigh...

The allure of Christianity has always been the moral code, eternal life, and the hope for "blessings" that generally equate to Solomon's God-given wisdom and Earth-given harem.
As the sense of desperation and horror is erased from our lives, hope disappears. Like I told my mom once, "I will destroy your hope by accomplishing this task for you. So, you know, you won't have to 'hope' I get it done before this afternoon."
If we do not need to hope- if we know that we can do what we need to do, if we do not fear an afterlife because our lives are good enough and long and healthy enough, if we are educated and socially advanced enough to understand how to act morally and ethically without the assistance of a higher power who judges us, then it stands to reason that "religion" should fade away.
When we have the technology and the social order required to travel through space, then we will have no more need for religion.
That may be simple fact. (Although, it is arguable that humanity will never get itself together enough to do that before self destructing in high-tech world war).
And maybe mankind is reaching that point in it's epic, evolutionary, revolutionary history. Maybe we are on the brink of successfully allowing science to fulfill all our needs and, at the same time, evolving socially so that we can act compassionately and with understanding of ourselves and others to the extraordinary degree that even theft would be considered an obviously bad thing without having to be called an obviously bad thing first.

When that time comes, the true Christians will finally be separated from the people who only pray and tithe and waste their Sunday mornings because they kinda figure that it's a worthwhile sacrifice if they don't go to Hell. The true Christians will be separated from the people who act kind and good in front of others and live like trash when nobody is looking, expecting some sort of God-karma to reward them for the brief moments of kindness that they loathe to display. Hopefully, the true Christians will also be separated from the "holier than thous" who use their religion as a tier from which to judge, control and persecute others.

And when all the allures are gone, when it is nearly impossible to witness to people because there is not enough despair in the world that cannot otherwise be fixed by men somewhere so that people cry out to God, the only true Christians will be those whom God speaks to directly. I do not know how much atheism will predominate in those times or as those days draw nearer, but I do not fear for Christianity itself, because I know that my God is a loving God; He is the living God; He sent His son to die for us so that our sins will be forgiven and not so that his pain would go in vain, unnoticed and forgotten after a few thousand years. Neither I nor anybody else can save anybody else, it is always God who speaks to the heart of an individual, and that will never change, which means that, in my opinion, Christianity will never disappear. Perhaps, only its gimmicks will disappear, and that is probably not a bad thing. Maybe the Christians of the future will all be much surer of their identity in Christ than the ones of today, many of whom stumble through their faith on the shaky foundations of men who advise them with ideas forged from personal agenda-inspired quotations from the Bible.
Ensuing, if Christianity never disappears, then neither will the devil, and that means that other religions will probably still exist also, ever confusing those who seek the true faith, even under the pressure of what may (though I hope not) be an otherwise mostly godless world.

So my ultimate hope is that this shift toward atheism may actually be a good thing (as long as it is temporary, of course). The witness will be forced to change toward a direction that relies on intelligent, educated, informed Christians preaching a ministry that, if it is truly Biblically sound, may be better unified and coherent in its teachings. If it takes an atheist revolution to bring about a revolution among the followers of Christ, I welcome it. Perhaps, contrary to the former considerations, Christianity (maybe faith in general) will not vanish but become stronger than ever before!
That would be exciting.
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  1. Raistlin's Avatar
    I don't know how much in the way of feedback or criticism you're looking for, but I don't follow your logic, and I figured you might be interested in an atheist's perspective. I think you need to put a little more thought into why exactly there are more and more atheists. Which is related to another criticism: that you point to humans needing to be better people to be atheists. I disagree. There are irrational, sad, angry, pathetic, deluded atheists, just like there are intelligent, thoughtful, kind, and happy ones. The difference is not moral code, but in intellectual values. Atheism is often not even embraced willingly; I know anecdotally of many former devout Christians who went through months, years of struggle coming to grips with it in the face of how they'd been indoctrinated.

    That being said, there are more and more atheists in the developed world; the atheist proportion of the US population has more than doubled in the past two decades. This is not (directly) a social or moral increase, but primarily an intellectual one. As more and more knowledge becomes available, people become aware more. It's not a coincidence that the development and education is often positively related to the amount of atheism. This trend will only continue, barring a massive apocalypse that reverts humanity back to the caveman era, and I would bet money on the fact that, eventually, atheists with be a majority in developed countries.

    The same trends have happened and continue to happen when religious faith or prejudice confronts reality or logic; eventually, over generations, reason wins. It used to be taboo for interracial couples to marry, but eventually that not only became legal, but widely accepted. Gay marriage used to be unthinkable, and now a bare majority of the country supports that right -- and eventually it will be entirely legal and widely accepted as well. Evolutionary theory (unlike other, much less understood theories, such as gravity) came under and still comes under fire from fundamentalists, but science continued onward and now anti-evolutionism is (justifiably) considered backwards and is a minority view of very religious areas in the developed world. I could also cite abortion or marijuana or geocentrism or numerous other examples.

    There are some vaguely religious beliefs that science can't directly contradict. The non-perceivable, deist clockmaker-type god for one, and that is only because it is entirely useless, in that it says absolutely nothing about how the universe or anything in it works -- so naturally it is compatible with any and all observations. The religions with more personal gods and that assert natures and actions to their deities do not fair so well when held up to scientific scrutiny. And if Christianity becomes more like the former as more and more gaps are filled, what real use will it be?
  2. Martyr's Avatar
    Initially, the mini-essay was a response to an article that a friend (agnostic) sent me. I was actually going to focus on the lack of religion in Sci-Fi, but I got nervous and researched it before I wrote down my opinions and, I think, realized that I was wrong. So my response went freestyle and this is what I produced. I posted it here for S&Gs, and I am happy to hear any sort of reply. An atheist's perspective is always welcome, since, despite my confidence in my ability to see many sides of a situation, I rarely know what an atheist response is.

    In any event, I don't really want to engage in a heated discussion I want to make sure I understand you and help you understand me.

    Anyway, I don't disagree with you. I think you are right in that as more countries become more developed, as people become more educated and more aware of how the world works, the number of atheists will increase. That is the obvious current trend, and there is hardly much need to expound on that, considering all the unfortunate circumstances where "Christians" have proved themselves to be obstinately backward and uneducated. In the US, the Bible Belt is not comprised of the most industrious, educated states (although I wouldn't underestimate the people themselves.).
    So, if religion is a method of inventing answers based on ancient myth instead of scientific method, then science will surely wash it away, very soon.
    And if we follow scientific principles in order to maintain the more perfect society, Biblical morality may not be the most appropriate, and certain things that a Christian may find morally repugnant, like abortion or homosexuality, could be incorporated as healthy elements of a highly moral society.

    I am guessing that you don't follow my logic because you don't use my logic, not entirely.
    You see, whenever I test a hypothesis, I maintain that the existence of God is a given.

    Maybe I don't need to expound on that, but I suppose I will.
    I think that atheists who take religion into any sort of account when they make scientific discovery, are only using religion as an antagonistic concept. They are trying to use science to debunk religion, and if they believe that the only purpose of religion is to create baseless claims that, uh, opiate the masses, like geocentrism, then their scientific goals are quite noble and justified.

    Unfortunately, explaining science isn't really the objective of the Christian religion, which is the only one I dare or care to discuss. The Bible isn't a science book. It's a history book (and a prophetic book). Scientists can prove everything all the way back to the specific details of how the universe was created, and it will have no serious bearing on whether the Bible is right or God exists. It will have no bearing on the the definition or the consequence of sin in the Bible. It will have no consequence on the importance of understanding that God is holy, the alpha and omega, the creator and the destroyer, the one to pass a final judgment on our souls. The Bible discusses the nature of God, the importance of understanding the consequences of sinfulness and disobeying God, the path to salvation and the little bit of Godly wisdom that those who seek the Lord are blessed to learn.
    The Bible does not serve at all to explain anything about the science of the world. It discusses only, perhaps, the science of the spiritual battle, which cannot be experimented with by using any element of the periodic table in a laboratory (unless we're being metaphorical, of course).

    I mean, it is already clear that scientific reasons govern how and why everything we understand happens. It is only logical that there will be scientific reasons for how and why things we don't yet understand happen also.
    If you are an atheist, your conclusion might be that the scientific understanding erases the presence of God.
    If you are a Christian, your conclusion is that science is the tool that God uses to operate our world.
    Forget miracles. If one happens for you, that's great, but every Christian knows it's a better idea to hide in the cellar during a tornado than to play baseball and expect protection from God.

    So! Oy, I hope you don't mind reading all this! So, my logic is:
    First, God does exist.
    When science discovers all the answers, it won't affect God, since God likes science and has decided to use it for our universe.
    Since God exists, which is a given in my argument, then he will not disappear when people merely understand science, his tool.
    If people do not use God as a scapegoat for scientific theories they don't understand, God will remain only as who He professes to be, and I believe His credibility will skyrocket among the educated who will no longer see God or the Bible as a fairy tale that contradicts science.

    That is how my logic works.
    Judging by your final comment, I don't know if you have fathomed all that has been said or not already, but it is what it is.

    What use is Christianity?
    That's a very simple question that is extremely difficult to explain to somebody who does not have faith in Christ. I'm going to get all religion and not so much explanation of logic, so get ready.

    The value of Christianity is, of course, the promise of eternal life. Being born again. But there is also the important element of the Holy Spirit being within a Christian that causes the transformation. A Christian is keenly aware of right and wrong because of accepting Jesus and the Holy Spirit into his heart, as opposed to merely following written rules in the Bible or on a paper somewhere in the Vatican or anywhere else.
    Becoming a Christian has very little to do with an individual's actions or the actions of anybody else. It is a direct result of God communicating directly with the individual. And once God chooses you, the idea that God does not exist becomes kinda laughable, which is why I am so firm in my belief that the use of God as a given is so important in my logical analysis of things.
    And like I also said in the initial blog post, God did not send Jesus to die for our sins just so that he can be forgotten. The Bible itself discusses entire generations that have fallen into Godlessness and were destroyed, rebuilt, or allowed to exist for whatever reason. Solomon is a perfect example of somebody who was blessed by God and then chose to disobey anyway. The consequence was the eradication of Israel, a country that was not rebuilt until about 65 years ago. God flooded the Earth and saved only Noah and his family. God forced poor Jonah to get eaten by a whale before he agreed to the sinful city of Nineveh and preach to them so that God could save those people. Why does God erase an entire civilization and then torture one good man in order to save the same sort of people who committed the same crimes as the ones who are now destroyed? The reasons behind God's decisions are not for us to know, but what we can derive from the Bible is that nearly the entire world can turn atheist , but it would only be part of God's plan for the future. And so, again, I am not afraid for my God, myself, or the future of Christianity when I see trends move one way or another. I am born again, and I know God, and I know what use Christianity is to me and you and the entire world forever on into the future.
    The atheists fight a scarier battle, for they do not yet know God, and the more they believe they must fight Christianity, the more difficult it will be for them to find the desire to seek Him.
    My mission is only to talk about the glory of God and to pray, since I cannot do anything else but leave the world in God's hands.

    Anyway, I am having trouble keeping my piece solid here. I think I'm drifting too far between one point and another, so I will end this for now.
    Updated 08-14-2011 at 04:28 PM by Martyr