As I've said, it's fine that you want to enforce standards. My problem isn't that the standards are being enforced; it's that they are being inconsistently enforced. At various times in the chatroom since the incident in quesiton occurred, the conversation appears to have gotten to be as explicit as it was the time you told us to knock it off (I don't think I was in the chatroom when kotora's example happened, or at least I wasn't paying attention, so I can't really comment on that example), and no one said anything. Now maybe this later discussion really wasn't as explicit as it was when everyone was discussing fetlife photos. I'd have to go back through my logs and pick through examples to clarify why I think this, and I don't really feel like doing that at 0215 hr. But at the time those discussions were happening, I really didn't see much distinction, because the later discussion was still pretty damn explicit sex discussion in pretty thorough detail. (For a few examples, people were speculating in rather thorough detail on what Mel and I might do when we meet up; various people discussed various preferences we have; and so on).
I'm not expecting staff to spell out word-exact definitions of exactly how much detail people can go into (that would be opening the door to rules abuse by trolls and rules lawyers amongst other potential problems), but the enforcement of the explicit content rule seems to vary to a rather large extent depending on which ops are in the channel at the time, and because of this it's a bit difficult to get a handle on what is okay. If staff restrain themselves to simply telling people to take it to #tot I suppose this becomes less of a problem, but what will happen if this keeps happening? Will people still be told to take it to #tot even if the same person has been in three such conversations? Five? If it remains "take it to #tot" every time, that's not a terribly large problem, but it still remains a case of the enforcement of the rules being unpredictable, and this seems to be a pretty common complaint whenever rules enforcement comes up in #eoff.
I am completely on board with you guys doing things about trolling; as I believe I even said in the Feedback thread, the trolling had gotten insufferably out of hand and I don't have any problem with kicking or even banning people for being dicks. From what I can tell there don't seem to be any cases of inconsistent enforcement of trolling. I also agree that when there are enough complaints about the content of the chatroom, it is worth doing something about (obviously you can't please everyone, but within reason). However, this appears to work both ways - judging from the conversations people have had about the rules while I've been in #eoff, there still appear to be numerous complaints with the way things are being handled that do not appear to have been fully resolved.
I'm sorry if it seems like I'm blaming you specifically for the rules. I'm not. From what I can tell, this is almost entirely a problem with staff, collectively, not being on the same page, so it's not any one person's fault. I don't even really care if you guys codify a set of standards that you don't release to the public - what I'm mostly concerned with is what appears to be a pretty big inconsistency of enforcement from op to op. If I can get a clear explanation for why the examples I've brought up (and others I've left out) don't fall afoul of the rules while the examples you mentioned do, I'll also be satisfied.
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