Fynn
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Radical Dreamer

So it would be seen as canon then?

No, no, it is perfectly okay. Don't worry, I'll get to SMT IV.

What is SMT IV: Final looking like anyway? It seems nothing like it.

From the looks of the diagram, SMT IV is based somewhat on this 'true demon' ending of SMT III. Sounds pretty grim if you ask me.

What the hell am I looking at?!?

That's so complex it almost hurts my brain. The Persona Series has a much simpler timeline.

Okay, so P5 will likely be a case of beating Pyro Jack in battle, who then gives you a Pyro Jack persona card in return? I can just about grasp that.

If so, I wonder what's changed in the Persona timeline for demons to appear. You said demons appeared in isolated cases in P2, and didn't appear at all in P3 and P4. P5 is presumably set after these three games, so something has sparked demons to return.

So how does it work then? Because currently, I've experienced 'demons' as actually being 'personas', form the sea of the soul. You fight shadows, not demons, and the personas aid you.

So in Persona 5, do you... beat up some demons, and they become personas? I'm admittedly finding it hard to grasp that aspect.

I went with the P3 route first. I figured I've played P4 (that was meant to be P4: G without the space, but it hilariously made it s smiley. I kept it in) last, so I headed back into P3 land. I fully intend to do the P4 route, maybe after tackling the Arena duology.

And SMT: IV is on my radar. Just let me bask in uplifting, colorful fun a while longer before I get into a world of 'demons' and what have you.

I do need to play at least one SMT game, because Persona 5 has us actually fighting 'demons'. No more shadows, I take it.

I see you've taken a liking to the Zero Escape series; Karifean has taught you well, I'm glad.

Anyway, I didn't come here to snoop around your VMs. Me and Mr. Carny have started the Persona Q series! Well, I say started, it has been about a week, but we're both at the end of the first dungeon. I have to say, there are some scenes that are really, really funny. I'm enjoying the combat and the story. There is a pretty definite mystery surrounding Rei and Zen. I have a theory about Rei, but I'm not too sure just yet.

Ever17. It's quite different from Zero Escape (a lot more lighthearted and slow-paced) but it executes its twists just so damn well.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. I didn't really dig the story of 999 all that much for déjà vu reasons while I really liked the trust/betrayal motif of Virtue's Last Reward. There was something about not just having one unkown entity be your common foe but rather having EVERYONE be wary and distrusting of one another that stuck with me more. While I saw the "his face is actually different" thing coming a mile away for the same reason 999 never managed to surprise me, and the silly foreshadowing they had in there was not convincing at all (SPOILER)OH LOOK AT THAT WE GAVE YOU THE TIMELINE GRAPH REALLY EARLY ON YOU JUST DIDN'T GET IT I still overall preferred it despite its flaws. It also didn't get nearly as tiring as 999 did because of its technical problems which helped a lot.

It's certainly true that 999 is more self-contained than VLR though. I couldn't believe it when VLR ended on a cliffhanger. But I decided that it's just unfinished and I won't judge it for it until I've read the third part :P

And I actually quite enjoyed the little extra "secret ending" scene in VLR. It's not much but it really helped to round out the experience.

(Still prefer the bigger brother of the ZE series :P)