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    "That is why I would argue that Cloud's initial identity is a fabrication, and not simple him trying to fill in holes of his memory."


    Going by exactly what the game gives us, seeing how much of his ordinary character is still on the surface as well as a piece of dialogue with Aerith that is just not available because of a glitch that nonetheless showed she was very much able to see which parts were "his" everything shows that there were a lot of his "normal" traits on the surface and that the rest was the result of inevitable change due to the circumstances.


    "He's being manipulated by Sephiroth through Jenova's DNA, he has transposed himself into the role of Zack, and his initially personality throughout the first disc involves taking on the characteristics of both Zack and Sephiroth which is then completely dropped once his identity is restored. In the case of James Sutherland, his confabulation simply hides the truth of his guilt from him, but he does not undergo any noticeable changes of his personality."


    Which is where you are making a big mistake. James' character does not change because the mask to cope does not influence him enough. The mask that Cloud creates from reading Tifa's mind and to live on with reality gives him experiences that would of course change his character. It has nothing to do with it not being confabulation or not being "the same Cloud that is just lying to himself". Their reasons for confabulating were simply different. James did it because he could not deal with the fact that he killed his wife on her death-bed out of mercy (and frustration). Cloud confabulated through subconscious activation of Jenova cells because he was in a miserable state and he was so ashamed so of course the outcome would lead to a change of character as that was the entire purpose.


    "Ashley Riot in Vagrant Story also never shifts his personality much when learning his past is a lie, but then that game also makes it difficult to discern which scenario is actually true. Cloud on the other hand begins the game with Sephy's "too cool for school" attitude when dealing with AVALANCHE, finally starts to show his past self when dealign with Tifa, and then jumps into a more heroic self once Aerith shows up, drawing on Zack's selflessness and bravado. Cloud's persona is presented as being rather inconsistent and erratic from the beginning, which I feel is there to serve as early foreshadowing that Cloud isn't who he says he is."


    Which is fine because not every case is the same. But your Cloud shifting perfectly presents what I am saying: It is Cloud. Not Cloud and his newly created friend Kloud. This "inconsistent" behaviour consists of normal characteristics that he also has when healthy proving my point that it is not just some other guy taking control while Cloud hides in a corner but instead the same guy that just altered HIMSELF so much to the extent that he does not even realize that the guy that is talking to him and who is asked by him who he is in reality is just his own brain having a subconscious talk instead of a Gollum-Smeagol talk.

    It is absolutely true the story takes some liberties when it comes to expressing things especially when it comes to the subconscious stuff but I can not point out enough: "TRUE CLOUD" NEVER NOT EXPERIENCED HALF OF THE STORY. When healthy again he sees himself as the result of all that crap that happens. He acknowledges HIS time during all that psychological crap, not that it was some other guy.
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    "Oh you and I both know that's going to happen. I'm sure Nojima and Nomura will alter the Remake plot in a way that's different from both the original and Compilation. It will likely be a third interpretation of the title."
    I would not be sure about that. They assured the fans that there would only be tweaks with the core staying intact so I would seriously hope that this is the case.


    "As for the confusion on Cloud, I never saw Cloud's issue as simple confabulation, I honestly feel like he's suffering from a fugue state instead. I say this because I feel there is a significant change in how Cloud acts and presents himself before and after the revelation of his true identity. He loses a lot of his cockiness and bravado and instead starts to second guess himself a lot more."


    Which goes directly hand in hand with confabulation. When I talked with the user "Spooniest" a few years ago I saw that you Americans (you are one as well, right?) have a different understanding what "Confabulation" means. Which is why I pointed it out directly with the example. A fugue state is of dissociative nature. This goes too much into the territory of a brand new entity being born through a psychotic break. And this is not what happens with Cloud. A direct result of confabulation, the repressing of a troublesome memory and replacement of it with another one to create a "half-truth" goes hand in hand with a change of the character on the surface while other ordinary traits stay intact. You know what that is such an important thing to differentiate? Because everything that would create a different entity would result in more than just a "different person" from a metaphorical perspective (metaphorical perspective: I'm telling you "wow, you're not yourself", "wow, you are not the guy you were 10 years ago" - literal perspective: seperate self: you and me, Smeagol and Gollum, literally every human that suffers from a psychotic breaks where the brain splits of a part of the psyche and creates a different self that is not your own and literally has nothing to do with you). Now you might ask "ok, what are you actually trying to say?"
    I am telling that because the game never ever has a literal second Cloud that is "not THE Cloud". There is no difference between a "true Cloud" and a "mask Cloud". If by "true" people say "his ordinary and healthy character" then yes, that is absolutely true. If by "true" they think it means "there are two seperate guys, one is A and the other one is B" then no. It is really important to understand that the "echo" that Cloud hears is not a literal person; that the Cloud that Tifa talks to in the Lifestream is not a literal different being. As Cloud acknowledges it, he "is the master of illusions". He does not hide and lets another person do the job. It is him. And that is important. He went through a change based on this psychological problem and he did not realize. We do not literally run around with another person for one half of the game and then this person gets destroyed and then we run around with another person. This does not happen. The Ego, the sense of self is what we are. And Cloud only hosts one. Well. Technically he hosts more. Since Sephiroth haunts him. But you know what I mean. This is no case of Johnny Depp in the Secret Window creating "John Shooter" while not being aware that this John Shooter guy shares one body with him. This is a case of "oh I am such a loser, I without having active control over it better convince myself as defense mechanism that I was more than I am and can live on with my life as long as Tifa does not decide to tell everyone including myself that I was bulltroutting".


    "Of course the other issue at play here is that the circumstances of Cloud's identity crisis goes beyond psychology since we have to deal with the fact he's being manipulated through alien DNA as well, so I don't feel we can rule out a more complex answer to his condition."
    I will when it comes to that all the time 100% agree with you about that but confabulation is still the disorder that comes the closest in real life.
    To prevent itself from getting damaged, the brain represses troublesome memories, looks for things it can do to create half-truths and thus cope with the situation better.
    Except for the "oh, it is from an alien thing" this is exactly what happens.
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    Now that people are speculating once again about Final Fantasy VII Remake News with me looking at comments I once again have this fear that with those slight story-tweaks that Nojima-san was supposed to make people are going to misunderstand the story segments even more than they did in the original. It is incredible how the internet with people emphasizing on only one part with ignoring the other one combined with smurfing contradictory interpretations like the Brittenham one can go so much beyond what a normally very simple to be understood story is supposed to be.

    I know you are the "biggest Nojima-fan of all time" but I really hope he does not mess this up with his tweaks because stuff that was blatantly obvious in the story was ignored already so I don't know what happens if it is even changed as peoples' understanding might be even worse then.

    Btw. I am talking about stuff like:

    The Sephiroth & Jenova topic
    The Cloud & Aerith dynamics which mainly are twisted by so-called "CloTis" and "ZEriths"
    The Confabulation that Cloud suffers through where people act like "real Cloud" is an actual seperate entity and person which is not the case because Confabulation is not the same thing as Dissociative Identity Disorder while it was instead another layer instead of an actual consciousness and self. A "mask" as James in Silent Hill 2 also has when he convinced himsef that his wife died years ago and repressed the part of himself that new the truth to prevent his brain from getting damaged.
    Compilation stuff like Hojo virtualizing himself (who knows if that is included but that one at least was not Nojima who wrote it but to be honest, even that was properly explained in DoC and people still did not get it).

    There is a lot more but ... sigh ... I swear if I read more things about people treating Jenova as the mastermind of the story and the one killing Aerith - because they do not get that Jenova is not a character in the traditional sense as people are - just because of a single line on CD2 where the heroes said "btw. dude, we followed Jenova's body", completely glossing over every other thing that had Sephiroth say "I do not need this body anymore" as well as the revelation that Sephiroth did not just want to spread his consciousness but also control those who carried Jenova cells, etc. together with the entire misunderstanding of people what Jenova actually is, I am losing my mind.

    As a side note - I also hope he does not retcon too much. If he wants to explain better, fine. So far I was quite confident about what he wrote but I really hope this whole announcement of "we keep the core" is true.
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    I wouldn’t expect much, honestly. I imagine the game feels more complete and that the end-game challenges will actually be pretty fun, but if you dislike the original, I doubt you’ll go around and change your mind with this.

    But then again, who knows if your perception of the game won’t change after so many years of not playing? If my FF marathon has taught me anything, it’s that this can happen at unexpected times.


    Btw, PS3 or PS4? I heard the PS3 version has some noticeable loading times during form changes for some reason
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    Epcar is cool, but Billy Zane is Ansem.
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    Lol, that I’d pretty hilarious, all things considered. And I always thought Billy Zane was just too expensive - was there some controversy involved?
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    You’re almost there! So how do you feel the 3D Reverse/Rebirth so far?
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    Jappens to the best of us
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    Awesome. I had a low two days when it comes to writing, so I'm trying to make up for that now.
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Since I'm doing a marathon, I thought it would be fun to list the games that are distracting me from actually finishing said marathon.

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I'm always split on these articles. So many of these games are great and I have retroactively said a few of them made the list, but occasionally something comes along that I really want to love but the game just won't let me. Tactics Ogre is in a weird place for me because the remake and the original are pretty different in some meaningful ways, so much of this review pertains to the remake due to having only played a little bit of the original.

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Is this honestly the first non-RPG on this list?

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