Mafia - Rules/Strategy/Extra Discussion Thread

Eh, it's just my dead opinion that everything in terms of discussing who is or isn't mafia should be laid out in this thread. Not in private messages between only a certain group of people. I'm sure if the whole group of players knew that DK was private messaging people, then suspicion might have fallen on him sooner. And how does someone defend themselves against an accusation when they don't even know that they're being named as Mafia in a private message that they don't know is being sent? It leaves a lot of people out of the loop.

Yeah PMing is a dirty tactic. Only scum would advocate it. :)

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Originally Posted by Miriel

Eh, it's just my dead opinion that everything in terms of discussing who is or isn't mafia should be laid out in this thread. Not in private messages between only a certain group of people. I'm sure if the whole group of players knew that DK was private messaging people, then suspicion might have fallen on him sooner. And how does someone defend themselves against an accusation when they don't even know that they're being named as Mafia in a private message that they don't know is being sent? It leaves a lot of people out of the loop.

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To be fair, not PMing didn't help you very much :p

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Originally Posted by DK

Yeah PMing is a dirty tactic. Only scum would advocate it. :)

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One has to play dirty to win, if one's enemies are the secretive scummy type that use flamethrowers ;)

You hear that Paul, you firewielding cheat? YOU'RE SCUM

No one likes a flamethrower.

One does have a certain fondness for airstrikes though :D.

They are good for everything. Worms, battlefield, yey.

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Originally Posted by DK

Yeah PMing is a dirty tactic. Only scum would advocate it. :)

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Originally Posted by Radje

One has to play dirty to win, if one's enemies are the secretive scummy type that use flamethrowers ;)

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It's not about playing dirty, it's about playing by the general rules of the game.

Not that Levian ever said that it wasn't allowed, so whatever.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

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Originally Posted by DK

Yeah PMing is a dirty tactic. Only scum would advocate it. :)

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Originally Posted by Radje

One has to play dirty to win, if one's enemies are the secretive scummy type that use flamethrowers ;)

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It's not about playing dirty, it's about playing by the general rules of the game.

Not that Levian ever said that it wasn't allowed, so whatever.

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Lol I do see what you mean, it was more an idea to allow citizens to start their own gang in secret whilst keeping up facades in here. Much like the mafia are doing. Fighting fire with fire in a way.

Not very in the spirit of the game though, which appears to be citizens being slaughtered like cattle.

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Originally Posted by Radje

it was more an idea to allow citizens to start their own gang in secret whilst keeping up facades in here. Much like the mafia are doing. Fighting fire with fire in a way.

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The problem is that no one really knows who's a citizen.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

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Originally Posted by DK

Yeah PMing is a dirty tactic. Only scum would advocate it. :)

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Originally Posted by Radje

One has to play dirty to win, if one's enemies are the secretive scummy type that use flamethrowers ;)

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It's not about playing dirty, it's about playing by the general rules of the game.

Not that Levian ever said that it wasn't allowed, so whatever.

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I don't see any option but to allow it, we can't control people's actions in PM's and on MSN or wherever they may communicate with eachother.

What I meant with the list was to force you all to think more carefully about the game, take a stand, discuss etc. I did not mean that the list would be a vote. I said that you couldn't vote until you've made a list. Implying that even after the list, you'd have to pick one person to vote for, as per usual.

By the number of votes, I can see this might have lead to confusion and perhaps also hasty decisions as we're so close to the deadline. I suggest we extend the Day a bit, so more people will get the chance to vote. I'm gonna get up for school in 7 hours, so perhaps around then?

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Originally Posted by Levian

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Originally Posted by Miriel

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Originally Posted by DK

Yeah PMing is a dirty tactic. Only scum would advocate it. :)

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Originally Posted by Radje

One has to play dirty to win, if one's enemies are the secretive scummy type that use flamethrowers ;)

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It's not about playing dirty, it's about playing by the general rules of the game.

Not that Levian ever said that it wasn't allowed, so whatever.

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I don't see any option but to allow it, we can't control people's actions in PM's and on MSN or wherever they may communicate with eachother.

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All you need to say is that discussions relating to who is or isn't mafia should happen in THIS thread so that everyone who is playing can be a part of it. Especially if someone is accusing someone else of being Mafia. If they don't do it in this thread and instead private message a handful of people about it then how is that person supposed to defend themselves? Or if they do talk about it outside this thread, at least post the PMs the so that it's not just a handful of people ganging up together to make decisions while everyone else doesn't know where any of this is coming from.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

All you need to say is that discussions relating to who is or isn't mafia should happen in THIS thread so that everyone who is playing can be a part of it. Especially if someone is accusing someone else of being Mafia. If they don't do it in this thread and instead private message a handful of people about it then how is that person supposed to defend themselves? Or if they do talk about it outside this thread, at least post the PMs the so that it's not just a handful of people ganging up together to make decisions while everyone else doesn't know where any of this is coming from.

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Like the mafia do? I don't understand why you see under handing as so wrong when it is happening amongst everyone in the mafia, the cop + whoever the citizens are probably, and maybe even the occasional civilian par. I don't mean everyone stay quiet, say nothing and just vote for who they want without expressing why, but more act like the mafia do in working out their target in secret, and making their strike publicly and vocally.

However, i've reconsidered the idea, it does seem really unsporting.

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Originally Posted by Miriel

All you need to say is that discussions relating to who is or isn't mafia should happen in THIS thread so that everyone who is playing can be a part of it. Especially if someone is accusing someone else of being Mafia. If they don't do it in this thread and instead private message a handful of people about it then how is that person supposed to defend themselves? Or if they do talk about it outside this thread, at least post the PMs the so that it's not just a handful of people ganging up together to make decisions while everyone else doesn't know where any of this is coming from.

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Honey, now it's great you want it fair I get that. BUT you have to think, if someone claims they are the cop and the person speculates someone. ANd they are right, they inform someone who then posts it. That person Then has their name in the open. If they really aren't the cop, the mafia will know it's one of their own but if it's not, they are telling whoever the truth, You just got rid of one of the civies main assets. The mafia will target them and bang dead.

I understand there should be reasons but you cant just toss someone under the bus like that. Well I can't

The point of the game is to analyze the posts in this thread in order to figure out who is or isn't mafia. How can you do that if people are deliberating amongst themselves who Mafia is or isn't and that discussion isn't happening in this thread?

That was the whole point of me making a post about it in the first place. You can't exactly do that kind of thing in real life Mafia. And as far as I know, in online Mafia you're not supposed to do that either (according to the Mafia wiki Levian linked to in the beginning).

It's different if you come into this thread going, "well I just received a PM letting me know who Mafia is, so I'm going to vote for..." Because at least then, the group as a whole knows that this is what's going on. And that can lead to interesting questions like who is sending those PMs? Is the person sending the PM Mafia or Cop or a citizen trying to be funny? It has the potential to make it interesting or get the ball rolling on conversation and investigation.

The part that is unfun is when a person comes into the thread saying, "I'm going to vote for so-and-so because I have a feeling they're Mafia" when in fact they're voting that way because of a private message they got from someone else informing them that so-and-so was Mafia.

YOU SEE?

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Originally Posted by Lekana

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Originally Posted by Miriel

All you need to say is that discussions relating to who is or isn't mafia should happen in THIS thread so that everyone who is playing can be a part of it. Especially if someone is accusing someone else of being Mafia. If they don't do it in this thread and instead private message a handful of people about it then how is that person supposed to defend themselves? Or if they do talk about it outside this thread, at least post the PMs the so that it's not just a handful of people ganging up together to make decisions while everyone else doesn't know where any of this is coming from.

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Honey, now it's great you want it fair I get that. BUT you have to think, if someone claims they are the cop and the person speculates someone. ANd they are right, they inform someone who then posts it. That person Then has their name in the open. If they really aren't the cop, the mafia will know it's one of their own but if it's not, they are telling whoever the truth, You just got rid of one of the civies main assets. The mafia will target them and bang dead.

I understand there should be reasons but you cant just toss someone under the bus like that. Well I can't

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Oh wow. It's even worse if the cop is the one sending private messages to people saying I think so-and-so is a Mafia and not letting the rest of the town know. That just sucks in my opinion. It's the duty of the cop to inform the town of their suspicions, not just telling one or two people through private message.

Btw, sorry if I'm derailing the thread. I'll stop arguing this after this post! :p

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Originally Posted by Radje

Like the mafia do?

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That's the whole point of the game, though. They have that advantage and, ordinarily, the citizens shouldn't.

It would suck to be a citizen outside the United Citizens Gang of Cool, though. Every day you come to the thread, see UCGC say "today we're lynching Member X because of reasons we refuse to share!" and there's nothing you can do to change their minds, and all those outside of this gang - or who even disagree with them - are suspected of being mafia. You can't outvote them because there's more of them than you, and you have no allies. Then eventually the gang decides you're a mafia because you're not voting with them (or if you are voting with the gang, you're obviously a mafia trying to trick them!), and lynches you. "Whoops! Thought you were mafia. Oh well, not one of us so we don't care".

It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. I think having more fun (and yet having a greater chance to lose) is preferable to ruthlessness and, tbh, if I was a citizen who was kept in the dark I'd probably root for the mafia.

Part of the strategy of not telling users of having PM contact is because it can create suspicion towards you. If anyone comes forward saying a cop contacted them then almost instantly people may either accuse the person of lying and being Mafia, or assume that the cop that contacted them was Mafia. This is perhaps best exemplified through DK's actions just before he was killed off. Even in the aftermath people began to accuse those who had said they had been contacted as Mafia. So really making such information public is akin to drawing a bullseye on your forehead.