Edge Magazine: 100 Greatest Games to Play Today

So I was checking out Edge Magazine last night and they were celebrating 200 issues.

Like all gaming magazines, this resulted in doing a top 100 titles and I found several of the choices to be "interesting". Now of course no one is going to agree completely on the choices made but I found the list amusing despite really hating #1 cause its an overrated and damn near unplayable by today's standards, at least imo.

The most amusing choice was that 3 FF titles that made it onto the list. Even more amusing was that VII was not the highest rated of the three.

What's your opinion EoFF as we pick this list apart. :p

Ocarina of Time damn near unplayable? Okay then ...

It's not a bad list, and it's nice to see some games that deserve to be on top 100's but usually aren't. Good to see Civilization IV up there.

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

Now of course no one is going to agree completely on the choices made but I found the list amusing despite really hating #1 cause its an overrated and damn near unplayable by today's standards, at least imo.

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All I have to say about the "Unplayable by today's standards":

Really?

On the List:

What I can say first off is that their top 10 sucks. 7 are Nintendo games (RE4 being a timed Nintendo exclusive), 3 of which are Mario and 1 is a Mario spinoff.

It's Nintendo Bias is quite frankly, unimaginative and shows a lack of reflection on their part.

2 of the other top 10 are ready to send me into a fit.

Halo 3: WTF.

HALO SUCKS!!! I used to say it was an average game, but the following from mindless, racist, homophobic xbox slaves, combined with the fact that 99.8% of shooters out there make it look like a pile of piss makes me infuriated. Halo 3 is a joke compared to every shooter that came after it. Much like XBox Live is praised by gamers inexperienced in the long history of online gaming, Halo is similarly worshiped by those who are ignorant of the major pillars of First Person Shooters

It's a sad day for gaming, hell it's been a sad couple years to see a company who doesn't give a crap about the quality of a game (microsoft) to be defended and praised by previously said legions.

Also, Half-Life 2. Half Life 2 is just as playable as the first round of Half Life games (all of which I loved and easily spent over a 100 hours playing between all of them), so there's no reason for it to be there.

There isn't a single Sony title up there, and that simply shows ignorance to me. You can say I'm a fanboy, I say I've been buying the consoles with the best games for over ten years and 3 generations now.

The rest of the list is oversaturated with trendy-nostalgism (makes me wonder if it's real) and Modern day XBox BS. Someone please explain to me how Gears of War 2 is anywhere on this list when it's multiplayer component has been one of the most well chronicled disasters of this generation?

I'm glad to see my personal favorites of MGS and Final Fantasies up there, but I think any self-respecting gamer should take issues with this. I think its sad when alot of these games get considered in 100 best when they're so mediocre.

Take it away, Wolf.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

HALO SUCKS!!! I used to say it was an average game, but the following from mindless, racist, homophobic xbox slaves, combined with the fact that 99.8% of shooters out there make it look like a pile of piss makes me infuriated. Halo 3 is a joke compared to every shooter that came after it. Much like XBox Live is praised by gamers inexperienced in the long history of online gaming, Halo is similarly worshiped by those who are ignorant of the major pillars of First Person Shooters

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Halo 3 is a fantastic game and the best FPS this generation has produced. The gameplay is top-notch and superbly paced, there are several maps with outstanding design, you can often play with 16 players lag-free (although there are lag problems every now and then, sure) there are several enjoyable and varied game modes, and the ability to make your own maps and take screenshots and videos and put them online is something that all console games should implement.

You can call me a mindless racist homophobe and inexperienced in games and a whole lot of other things if you want, though. I'll just feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy a game that has given me many hours of joy. :monster:

I think it's a pretty balanced list that caters to a lot of different interests. There seemed to be a pretty heavy slant towards the past two years, though, and makes me wonder if all of the recent games are really just that amazing or if they haven't had time to let their New Game Smell fade away.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

HALO SUCKS!!! I used to say it was an average game, but the following from mindless, racist, homophobic xbox slaves, combined with the fact that 99.8% of shooters out there make it look like a pile of piss makes me infuriated. Halo 3 is a joke compared to every shooter that came after it. Much like XBox Live is praised by gamers inexperienced in the long history of online gaming, Halo is similarly worshiped by those who are ignorant of the major pillars of First Person Shooters

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Halo 3 is a fantastic game and the best FPS this generation has produced. The gameplay is top-notch and superbly paced, there are several maps with outstanding design, you can often play with 16 players lag-free (although there are lag problems every now and then, sure) there are several enjoyable and varied game modes, and the ability to make your own maps and take screenshots and videos and put them online is something that all console games should implement.

You can call me a mindless racist homophobe and inexperienced in games and a whole lot of other things if you want, though. I'll just feel sorry for you that you can't enjoy a game that has given me many hours of joy. :monster:

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NO! The best FPS this generation has produced!?

1) The gameplay sucks - the handling of the weapons is unsatisfying, the shield mechanic is insulting, it makes it not even a shooter - it's a grenade/melee game, some kinda freaky-deaky medieval thing when you think about it! Look at the shooting in Fear2 - the way your bullets rip through your opponents, it's immensely better than HALO3, and that was a sleeper title. Plus Auto-Aim = A complete joke to every self-respecting FPS devotee.

2) 16 Player MP without lag!? Is this the kool-aid they're providing you guys on XBox Live to convince you it's worth your money!?

RESISTANCE 2 HAS 60 PLAYER ONLINE COMPETITIVE WITH A SERVER STRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO LAG!!!

16 player with no lag is no triumph at all, welcome to 6 years ago!!!

3) You cannot make your own maps in Halo 3, you can edit spawning locations of items. That's a joke. You can't even have mods on any 360 game, let alone Halo 3, so don't tell me about creative customizing tools like that.

You could list in-game screenshots and videos until the cows come home, NONE OF THAT has anything to do with its fundamentals as a game, it doesn't change the fact that the game is vastly inferior as a shooter compared to FarCry2, Killzone2, Resistance2, Fear2, Call of Duty 4 & 5, Unreal Tournament III, hell even 007 Quantum of Solace is better than Halo 3.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

NO! The best FPS this generation has produced!?

1) The gameplay sucks - the handling of the weapons is unsatisfying, the shield mechanic is insulting, it makes it not even a shooter - it's a grenade/melee game, some kinda freaky-deaky medieval thing when you think about it! Look at the shooting in Fear2 - the way your bullets rip through your opponents, it's immensely better than HALO3, and that was a sleeper title. Plus Auto-Aim = A complete joke to every self-respecting FPS devotee.

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If you think Halo 3 is about grenading and meleeing, and nothing else, then I have my doubts that you've actually played it. The kills I get from those two methods are minimal. The weapons handle perfectly well for me, and I enjoy the shield mechanic.

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2) 16 Player MP without lag!? Is this the kool-aid they're providing you guys on XBox Live to convince you it's worth your money!?

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This is a great burn good job.

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16 player with no lag is no triumph at all, welcome to 6 years ago!!!

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On a console game, yeah, it is something impressive. There are a lot of games out there that struggle to do 2 player co-op without lag.

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3) You cannot make your own maps in Halo 3, you can edit spawning locations of items.

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Nah. There are actually maps where you can build the entire level. Look up "Sandbox" or "Foundry" sometime. Again, I'm going to express my doubts you've played the game.

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You could list in-game screenshots and videos until the cows come home, NONE OF THAT has anything to do with its fundamentals as a game

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To a game is made better by having those features. But you think it has nothing to do with its fundamentals as a game? Well, okay, but you know what has even less to do with it? The fans.

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I used to say it was an average game, but the following from mindless, racist, homophobic xbox slaves, combined with the fact that 99.8% of shooters out there make it look like a pile of piss makes me infuriated.

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it doesn't change the fact that the game is vastly inferior as a shooter compared to FarCry2, Killzone2, Resistance2, Fear2, Call of Duty 4 & 5, Unreal Tournament III, hell even 007 Quantum of Solace is better than Halo 3.

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I disagree.

God I love these lists.

Easy there Bolivar. You can call out Halo 3 for a lot of things but I think its gameplay is as solid as a FPS can get. One thing people don't realise though is that the gameplay in a FPS doesn't mean much anymore because they have all played exactly like Halo since 2001. Its what you build around that gameplay that makes the game.

And thats where Halo 3 falls short. Very uninspired levels, short single play campaign, lame character desgns and a story which is made a whole lot of fuss over yet doesn't deliver anything we haven't seen before. But because the gameplay is so solid the multiplayer works very well and I can see why it ranks at number 9 on that list considering so many people still play the game today.

As for the list as a whole, I was pleasantly surprised, with most of my all time favourite games being mentioned (and good on them for putting FFXII so high, that game is so underrated). Unfortunately they had to completely drop the ball for their number 1 pick. I have nothing to say other than I was very bored to see Ocarina of Time being at number 1. Just so........uneventful.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

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Basically, the fact that you ranted on for god knows how long about the failings of xbox fanboys and then basically admitted that you yourself are nothing but a sony fanboy means every word you've posted so far has entirely no meaning because, as you yourself readily admitted, it's all a load of sony-biased failhaggery. I've got less faith in your judgement of these games than that of the Bastard Gamer, someone who thinks the Grand Theft Auto games have bad controls because he can't wrap his head around the concept of holding R2 to lock on to someone and pressing O to shoot at the same time. If you're going to try and actually convince anyone of anything you're going to have to do it objectively.

cockzone 2 is a game for the gaystation triple, which means its three times as gay. people say the graphics are good, but i think they suck and and really aren't even very good at all\

gears of war is the best looking game out there except for halo, so don't even talk to me about this kind of crap for any reason.
before you call me a fanboy, I own all three systems, so don't call me a fanboy. but if you own a playstation for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

FINISH THE FIGHT - KILL THE PS3

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

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Basically, the fact that you ranted on for god knows how long about the failings of xbox fanboys and then basically admitted that you yourself are nothing but a sony fanboy means every word you've posted so far has entirely no meaning because, as you yourself readily admitted, it's all a load of sony-biased failhaggery. I've got less faith in your judgement of these games than that of the Bastard Gamer, someone who thinks the Grand Theft Auto games have bad controls because he can't wrap his head around the concept of holding R2 to lock on to someone and pressing O to shoot at the same time. If you're going to try and actually convince anyone of anything you're going to have to do it objectively.

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Actually, it's a logical fallacy to disregard what someone says based on anything they've self admitted, it's called Circumstantial Ad Hominem. And I think if you read on in my reply to Psy, you'll see that I did list reasons why I feel so. Actually, there's implicit premises in my original post, dealing with "the pillars of FPS" and how that comparison bears upon Halo 3.

Also, I think you missed the point that 7 out of 10 are Nintendo games, 3 of which are Mario, 1 other being a Mario spinoff. That's essentially 4 games from the same franchise.

Also, you don't think that some Sony games deserve to be there than rotating entries from the same franchise? MGS, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Final Fantasy?

I think anyone on this forum, whether you like VII & X, or Tactics & XII, or even an old school fan who likes Final Fantasy IX, would be open to the idea of one of the Sony FF's for being in there. I'm stating that primarily as a gamer who has experienced these titles, and see a top 10 list being filled with some entries who share essentially the same gameplay.

I don't really understand where you're coming from with this Circumstantial Ad Hominem because I was never trying to assert that your claims were wrong or right in the first place, or that you're doing it out of self interest, merely that it is pointless to listen to you because you're admittedly biased.

edit: it also seems to me you're completely ignoring the fact that it's not a "100 greatest games ever" but some weird shiet "top 100 games we'd like to play right now" list. And seeing that as recently as April 13th Halo 3 was the most played game on XBL according to the weekly ratings, despite being one of the oldest games on the console, it'd seem a vast majority of people are thinking the exact same thing. So I can't exactly see why it doesn't deserve it's place in this specific list. People like to play it. That's all this is about.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

Also, you don't think that some Sony games deserve to be there than rotating entries from the same franchise? MGS, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Final Fantasy?

I think anyone on this forum, whether you like VII & X, or Tactics & XII, or even an old school fan who likes Final Fantasy IX, would be open to the idea of one of the Sony FF's for being in there. I'm stating that primarily as a gamer who has experienced these titles, and see a top 10 list being filled with some entries who share essentially the same gameplay.

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I dont quite understand what your saying here. There are plenty of Sony titles in that list. And both FFVII and FFXII are in there too, both of which are excusive to Sony systems. If your trying to point out bias then I think you have picked the wrong list. Even if Edge did give Killzone 2 a 7.....

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Originally Posted by DK

I don't really understand where you're coming from with this Circumstantial Ad Hominem because I was never trying to assert that your claims were wrong or right in the first place, or that you're doing it out of self interest, merely that it is pointless to listen to you because you're admittedly biased.

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What it means is that just because someone is biased doesn't necessarily mean that there's no merit to what they're saying, this runs parallel to you placing value in what i said, and whether my claims back up my conclusion, the foundation of argument.

What I said was that I'm not biased; I have reasons for liking or disliking a game, which I readily listed. Actually, it seems to me you missed the entire point of that sentence, saw the word "fanboy" and ran.

Do you have anything to contribute about any of the points I, or Dreddz made? If anything, you're actually kind of derailing the discussion here.

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Originally Posted by Dreddz

I dont quite understand what your saying here. There are plenty of Sony titles in that list. And both FFVII and FFXII are in there too, both of which are excusive to Sony systems. If your trying to point out bias then I think you have picked the wrong list. Even if Edge did give Killzone 2 a 7.....

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Again, I was talking about the top 10. It just doesn't make sense to me to have 4 Mario games and 2 Zelda games in there when I'd put some of the Metal Gears and Final Fantasies up with those games anyday.

Like I said, it doesn't make sense to rotate entries of the same franchises and call it a top 10 of games to play today. I just personally disagree with it.

edit: it seems some of the comments are pointing out that there's 5 Zeldas and 6 Marios, and some consoles like the Genesis/Megadrive are underrepresented. I think the claim is justified.