Four on four to make things a little easier.
Who wins?
For the purpose of this discussion here's who we're talking about in this fight:
Justice League:
Superman
Batman
The Flash
Green Lantern
The Avengers:
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Thor
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Four on four to make things a little easier.
Who wins?
For the purpose of this discussion here's who we're talking about in this fight:
Justice League:
Superman
Batman
The Flash
Green Lantern
The Avengers:
Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Thor
I think someone needs to make a movie about this.
Or just Iron Man vs. Bats.
Supes would obviously have an advantage, but then again he can't really do much to Thor or Hulk that they can't do right back to him. Other than that Avengers clearly win.
I dont' think Thor could beat Superman.
No one, however, can beat Hulk. (Well, depending. If we look at the Hulk from the new movies, he comes across as
having a limit to how strong he can get. Comic Hulk seems pretty damn unlimited.)
Of course if we are looking at current movies vs. eachother, it's a hard call as I've not seen the newest superman movie, and my knowledge is limited to the original few.
In which case I give the fight to Thor.
Superman is basically Jesus with laser eyes.
Beat him outright no, but he is probably strong enough to have a shot at incapacitating Supes somehow, just as Hulk might be able to just bear hug him until the fight is over or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Big Hands
I'm going to say Justice League just to be contrary to the rest of EoFF. :colbert:
stan lee is going to die in the next five years and that breaks my heart more than you can imagine
seriously, the DC universe can go smurf itself. MARVEL FOR LIFE.
Hulk even going near Superman is generally a bad idea. Hulk can't fly, therefore, toss him into the sun. Fight over. If he grabs Superman and won't let go, fly him into the sun, supercharged Superman flies back and beats the rest of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
I hate to say it, but there's almost no way The Avengers win this. Superman can make the Hulk a non-issue simply by virtue of being faster and being able to fly. He's also typically depicted as faster than Thor, particularly in movies, so Thor would have a rough time. Captain America could probably take Batman in a fight since he's a near equally skilled fighter with a physical advantage, but it assumes Batman is interested in a straight fight. He'd also never see the Flash coming and the Flash could pretty much take him down while almost simultaneously dismantling Tony's armour piece by piece before he even realizes anything's happened.
And hell, even Green Lantern could probably put up a reasonably good fight against any of them on his own, to say nothing of what happens when Thor finds himself alone and outnumbered because his other teammates just got knocked out of the fight in the first 2.7 seconds. Thor alone against Superman would have a tough fight. But against Superman, Flash, Batman and Green Lantern? Not really much of a contest there. I'll throw him a bone and assume he takes down Batman before he goes down, but that's about it.
And for the record, I am a bigger Marvel fan than a fan of DC, but they write some ridiculously overpowered characters. Now if we wanted to discuss Thanos vs. Darkseid then I think we might have an interesting match.
But really, any debate we have is moot when Galactus shows up and devours the planet they're all fighting on.
Batman is the only liability for the JL in terms of powers, but he of course makes up for it in coolness. The rest are pretty invincible.
Thor is really the only one of the Avengers that could stand up to Flash/GL/Supes. But he couldn't beat all three. Supes would crush Iron Man in one second and flatten Cap in the next few seconds. Hulk would be more of an issue, but his bulk wouldn't keep up with Flash's speed and GL could easily create a cage to contain him.
If the Avengers included Silver Surfer instead of Iron Man then we're getting somewhere.
I've given it some more thought because I'm a complete nerd and that's what I do, and I've come up with an ideal sort of scenario where The Avengers might take this fight.
First, the fight has to take place on The Avengers' Earth. There is no speed force in their universe rendering the Flash powerless. That's one down.
Superman would pretty quickly realize that the Hulk is an almost uncontrollable threat to them and everyone around them so he immediately flies him into orbit and tosses him into the sun, or perhaps just into deep space. While this is happening, Cap makes sure the Avengers pull ahead by curb stomping Batman with his superior physical abilities.
With Superman occupied by dealing with the Hulk, Thor and Iron Man prove to be more than a match for Green Lantern, splitting his focus and, in Thor's case, outright overpowering him with his magical hammer. Superman returns to the fight to find his team incapacitated. Cap stands around being useless because he can't even see Superman moving while Thor holds him off. While they duke it out, Iron Man could maybe, through sheer luck/brain power/plot armour figure out Superman is fueled by the sun, deduce that light approximating that from a red star might depower him, and use his personal deus ex machina suit to cobble something together capable of sapping Supes powers.
Earth saved. Logic, common sense, and anything resembling real science destroyed. Avengers triumphant.
The Super Friends
Hulk has taken blows strong enough to destroy the planet and shrugged them off.
In the long run, he out powers superman.
Supes flight isn't an issue, as Hulks jumping distance when angry is beyond rediculous.
And by the point Superman would try to fly Hulk to the sun there is no way he could so much as hold on to Hulk.
This situation depends almost soley on which Hulk we go with using. Is it nigh unlimited power Hulk you see in a lot of the comics, or do we put a more tangible limit on his strength like seen in the movies?
Hulk pretty much can stomp on anyone in any universe. Except Squirrel Girl.
There's no way Superman would ever even consider something drastic like throwing the Hulk into the sun soon enough in the fight for that to actually work. By the point Superman thought to do something to end it, the Hulk would be way too mad and just pulverize the entire DC universe. :p
Batman vs. Hulk, how can I choose :(
The reason I like Nolan’s vision of Batman is because it’s flashy. I’m a big Marvel fan because they’re all about flash over substance. Unfortunately, flash can’t outmatch pure ability. Banner and Stark may be geniuses (Pym as well), but they’re intelligence is restricted to particular fields. Banner and Pym are physicists while Stark is an expert with technology. Cap’s right, Stark away from his armor is not a soldier, not even a fighter. Without some form of technology nearby, he’s out of the contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
Problem: Batman has used wits to take down supers stronger, faster, and meaner than the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivi22
Depends on which Lantern we’re seeing. Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner are more the types to be easily distracted thus having their focus easily split. However, John Stewart wouldn’t have this problem. On the other hand, ignoring a short attention span, Hal Jordan’s talent with the ring would allow him to quickly separate Thor from his hammer and then launch the Asgardian into space. He’d also be able to disable if not outright dismantle Stark’s armor.Quote:
Thor and Iron Man prove more than a match for Green Lantern, splitting his focus and, in Thor's case, outright overpowering him with his magical hammer.
Absolutely. The only way the Avengers could beat the League is if Marvel bent the plot in their favor.Quote:
While they duke it out, Iron Man could maybe, through sheer luck/brain power/plot armour figure out Superman is fueled by the sun, deduce that light approximating that from a red star might depower him, and use his personal deus ex machina suit to cobble something together capable of sapping Supes powers.
Earth saved. Logic, common sense, and anything resembling real science destroyed. Avengers triumphant.