Will someone please broaden my brain cells and give me a clearer image about why this has a major impact on everything, I know we continually battle this "Rebirth" but I don't know, did I miss something huge? Probably.. :(
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Will someone please broaden my brain cells and give me a clearer image about why this has a major impact on everything, I know we continually battle this "Rebirth" but I don't know, did I miss something huge? Probably.. :(
JENOVA's important to the story for the following reasons:
Some thirty years before the main events of the game, Professor Gast of Shin-Ra Inc. discovered an apparently dead being in a geological stratum. He named the creature "JENOVA" and made an error in identifiying it as being the body of an Ancient (otherwise known as the Cetra).
He then conducted experiments in an effort to bring forth one with the abilities of the Cetra into the present age. His assistant Hojo and another assistant, Lucrecia, had conceived a child together. Hojo and Lucrecia offered up their unborn child and Lucrecia herself to experimentation. Believing JENOVA to be an Ancient, some of JENOVA's Cells were injected into Lucrecia's womb where they melded with the developing body of Sephiroth.
However, JENOVA was not a Cetra, but an offworld being that came to the Planet some 2,000 years before the main events of the game. It released a virus (possibly its own Cells) among most of the Cetra, it transforming them into monsters and driving them insane. A small band of Cetra who had eluded JENOVA united in an assault on the creature and somehow successfully sealed it away in the Planet.
In the meantime, the Planet had created five large monsters with which to battle against JENOVA. These were the WEAPONs. However, the Planet didn't use them once JENOVA was sealed away (for some reason) and put them in stasis, to awaken once again in the event that the Planet was in a crisis.
JENOVA's landing -- either with its own mass or that of Meteor -- caused the gaping wound in the Planet known as the Northern Crater, a wound that has not yet healed in the 2,000 years since JENOVA's arrival and confinement. According to Ifalna, the mother of Aerith, the Planet can never fully heal so long as JENOVA remains, and the being itself wasn't dead after being discovered by Gast and could reawaken at any time.
JENOVA's Cells were injected into folks aside from Lucrecia, by the way, including the residents of the original Nibelheim who survived Sephiroth's massacre there (all save Tifa, who Zangan took to safety), Cloud, Zack, and all members of SOLDIER. It is also through the JENOVA Cells that JENOVA/Sephiroth is able to control, manipulate, or otherwise influence certain People, whether it be outright control as in the case of the black-cloaked folks (the former residents of Nibelheim), manipulation (as in the case of Cloud), or slight influence (as in the case of the Junon Accessory Shop owner, a former member of SOLDIER who suddenly felt the urge to don a black cloak). The game suggests that one's self-awareness, or -- more accurately -- their acceptance of who they are is the determining factor in how suspectible they are to the influence being exerted over them.
It's possible -- and I would say likely -- that JENOVA itself awoke when Sephiroth was in Nibelheim and influenced his mind, causing him to lose his sanity there, and that it was influencing him throughout the game, with the two essentially becoming one, or -- more accurately -- Sephiroth becoming an extension of JENOVA's will, possibly even believing ideas he might have had were his own when they were just being fed to him.
That last paragraph is conjecture, mind you, but what is assured is that JENOVA is the unifying plot device of the entire game through which most of the main plot points are a result or are somehow affected.
That was very thorough and cleared out a lot of things, thank you :)
Jenova is one of the reasons that Sephiroth went crazy. If I remember correctly.
thanks a lot peoples! I got the idea now, I just must pop the disk in cause I got to the 2nd disk and I gave it up cause I just spaced out playing it and I forgot what I was doing so I was doing it all wrong but after I finish IX ima go back to it :D
Whoa. Nice summary there Squall of SeeD. I also must agree with the idea that when Sephiroth first visited Nibelheim, is when Jenova was awoken by him. Then she/it was able to influence Sephiroth as we can see.
I'll just add that it's also pretty certain that Jenova is capable of close-range manipulation even without the target having her cells. Tifa and other party members were affected by Jenova/Sephiroth's power. They were vulnerable to the illusions, if nothing else.
Which is possibly why Ghast believed Jenova was an ancient. He KNEW that the ancients looked just like humans, yet believed Jenova- who didn't look anything close to human- was an ancient. And, she probably manipulated them into injecting her cells into other beings. I could see Hojo using his child as an experiment, but Lucrecia, too? And for all we know, Hojo was a decent guy before going all psycho. Ghast helped the process, too, so one must question how fishy that whole scenario was.
It's also (conjecture) quite likely she helped the "invention" of MAKO power extraction. Something that came shortly after her return. Weakening the planet enough to make her second play at consuming it, as was her original intention. Sephiroth's "god" idea was something that Jenova (and her race) was likely doing for millenia untold before she was stopped.
That's a different matter, though. It's one thing to manipulate another's free will, and altogether something else to generate illusions of light patterns.Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
How would he have known this? The implication given by the game is that he discovered JENOVA before he met Ifalna. She would have been able to immediately identify JENOVA for what it was. As for it not looking at all similar to a Homo Sapien, I must disagree:Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
Linkage 1.
Linkage 2.
Sure there's some differences, but the shape of a Female Homo Sapien is there. Anyway, the things to consider in regard to Gast's classification of JENOVA are these:
1) He had never seen one before and didn't know what they looked like.
2) JENOVA's body did bear some similarities to a Female Homo Sapien.
3) Something I'm about to get to...
Ifalna, a Cetra -- and likely a bit of an authority on the matter -- said that JENOVA was still unconscious a good 8 years after the discovery of JENOVA and a good 17 years before the Nibelheim massacre:Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
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"Even though Jenova is confined, it could come back to life at
some time..."
"The Planet has not fully healed itself yet. It is still watching
Jenova."
To offer a bit of conjecture of my own, being a scientist, as well, her desire on that level to take part in such an experiment is obvious, but there's also the need to remember what the purpose of the experiment was: To create another being with the abilities of the Cetra.Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
JENOVA was believed to be a Cetra at that time. The Cetra were believed to be able to access the Promised Land, in which case one iwth the abilities of the Cetra would likely be regarded as inherently holy and capable of leading mankind into a realm of supreme happiness. Taking both possibilities into account, it's not so difficult to understand Lucrecia's reasoning.
It's not said that the invention of this process coincided with the approval of the JENOVA Project. What's said is that the approval of the use of Mako Reactor 1 coincided with the approval of the JENOVA Project. It's quite common for more than one thing to be discussed at a single board meeting, and if the use of such a thing was being approved, this may indicate that it was either already built or had already been proposed as an idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by usduna
Anyway, again, JENOVA was unconscious at this time.
We don't know what JENOVA's intent in coming to the Planet Gaia was, really. Deciding on absorbing the Lifestream could have been a later development. If it was just there to absorb Spirit Energy, that begs the question of why it bothered to leave the Northern Crater and attack the Cetra at all, seeing as how they were leaving the Knowlespole anyway. JENOVA could have just landed, sat real cozy down in that big hole and sucked up the Lifestream if that were the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by usduna
Of course, in the even that JENOVA needed a host body of someone i]of[/i] the Planet to absorb the Lifestream, one has to wonder why the being showed itself to all of them and tried to infect them all, rather than leading off one way stray Cetra and taking its body.
Considering that JENOVA arrived and didn't do either of the things it could have done were it there to absorb the Lifestream, and also considering that JENOVA used illusions of the Cetra's dead relatives to get close enough to them to infect them, the implication to me is that they were intentionally sought out and targeted. Your thoughts?
If you want to understand the whole biz about Jenova, then go see John Carpenter's The Thing. Jenova is based a lot on the monster from that movie IMO. I.e. It can imitate organisms, take over and covert other organisms into other things (e.g. Cetra -> Monsters), is very much sentient and intelligent being etc.
Whoa..Jenova stands more than what I actually thought. It's quite a freak-accident in a way though. FFVII does have an interesting story lot after reading this, well maybe not interesting but with a horror scare too. :D
For one thing, go to the research lists at Nibelhiem. When Sephi's reading, and ranting to cloud afterwards, it was known that humans and cetra carried a direct, common, heritage. Maybe they wouldn't have known *exactly* what the cetra looked like- but they could be fairly sure it didn't look like the barely humanoid FREAK that is Jenova's form.
Sephiroth also pointed out Jenova had direct powers to shape-shift. To change itself to be what other's want it to be. He claimed that's how "cloud" was formed- whether this was just him being a bastard, or because it's the truth, I cannot say. Mind control-type abilities that didn't require direct infection.
And, my own theory is that Jenova wanted to "reproduce" itself. It came down, made a mess of the planet, and tried to used the dominant lifeform to grow a new one of itself, as well as the meal. It's how a species like that would probably work. A virus, a plague, moving from world to world.
But the Mako plants weren't built until *right after* the war with Wutai ended- they said that in the game, if you were paying attention to some of the side stuff. Sephi was made first- he was probably an late teen during the conflict, it was shown how powerful he was, so they made imitations and created SOLDIER.
And there is absolutely no reason to believe Ifalna had the FIRST clue what Jenova was capable of. It nearly destroyed her people, it was capable of hiding it's presence dozens of different ways, and the planet created super-monsters known as WEAPONs to combat it. It's unlikely anyone had any idea what Jenova could do until witnessing it. Even the planet itself.
It's important to note here that Hojo impregnated Lucrecia with the intention of giving their unborn child Jenova cell injections, and that Gast had no knowledge of this.Quote:
He then conducted experiments in an effort to bring forth one with the abilities of the Cetra into the present age. His assistant Hojo and another assistant, Lucrecia, had conceived a child together. Hojo and Lucrecia offered up their unborn child and Lucrecia herself to experimentation. Believing JENOVA to be an Ancient, some of JENOVA's Cells were injected into Lucrecia's womb where they melded with the developing body of Sephiroth.
I could be remembering this incorrectly, but I don't think anyone survived Nibelheim outside of Cloud and them. The residents of Nibelheim you see in disc 1 were people hired by Shinra, with failed Sephiroth-clones mixed in.Quote:
JENOVA's Cells were injected into folks aside from Lucrecia, by the way, including the residents of the original Nibelheim who survived Sephiroth's massacre there
That makes it sound far more complicated than it really is. Jenova(and in turn, Sephiroth) could exert some measure of control over others that were injected with Jenova cells. Plain and simple.Quote:
It is also through the JENOVA Cells that JENOVA/Sephiroth is able to control, manipulate, or otherwise influence certain People, whether it be outright control as in the case of the black-cloaked folks (the former residents of Nibelheim), manipulation (as in the case of Cloud), or slight influence (as in the case of the Junon Accessory Shop owner, a former member of SOLDIER who suddenly felt the urge to don a black cloak). The game suggests that one's self-awareness, or -- more accurately -- their acceptance of who they are is the determining factor in how suspectible they are to the influence being exerted over them.
That history is very wordy - overly so in some areas, to the extent which could obfuscate the truth - and tends to jump back and forth. However, it's accurate.
If you just play the game and pay attention, it's all-but-fact that Jenova exerted some measure of control over Sephiroth. I agree that it's very likely that that control was more manipulation than mind-control, and that Sephiroth eventually came to truly believe in what he was told.Quote:
It's possible -- and I would say likely -- that JENOVA itself awoke when Sephiroth was in Nibelheim and influenced his mind, causing him to lose his sanity there, and that it was influencing him throughout the game, with the two essentially becoming one, or -- more accurately -- Sephiroth becoming an extension of JENOVA's will, possibly even believing ideas he might have had were his own when they were just being fed to him.
Jenova was not able to directly influence anyone that didn't have her cells. She tricked Barret in Disc 2 by transforming her body into a likeness of Tifa. She could change the landscape via illusions(such as the "flashbacks" in disc 2 in the North Crater), but she could not exert any amount of control over anyone who did not contain her cells.Quote:
I'll just add that it's also pretty certain that Jenova is capable of close-range manipulation even without the target having her cells. Tifa and other party members were affected by Jenova/Sephiroth's power. They were vulnerable to the illusions, if nothing else.
It's possible, though wild conjecture. It is somewhat plausible, however, especially considering that Hojo injected himself with Jenova cells(therefore Jenova could have had some measure of control over him throughout the game).Quote:
Which is possibly why Ghast believed Jenova was an ancient. He KNEW that the ancients looked just like humans, yet believed Jenova- who didn't look anything close to human- was an ancient. And, she probably manipulated them into injecting her cells into other beings. I could see Hojo using his child as an experiment, but Lucrecia, too? And for all we know, Hojo was a decent guy before going all psycho. Ghast helped the process, too, so one must question how fishy that whole scenario was.
She was suckered into it by Hojo's "charms" and her own scientific mind. Remember, she tried to escape with Vincent when she feared something would go wrong. Jenova did not and could not control her(at least, not before she had already been injected).Quote:
I could see Hojo using his child as an experiment, but Lucrecia, too?
Is it ever said when mako was discovered as an energy source? I can only speculate that it would've been well before Jenova.Quote:
It's also (conjecture) quite likely she helped the "invention" of MAKO power extraction. Something that came shortly after her return.
There's absolutely no way to know what Jenova's original or secondary intentions were. I believe that she was, indeed, trying to destroy the Planet during the game, but have no idea as to why she was there in the first place, nor are there any facts in the game with which to base any sort of speculation on.Quote:
Weakening the planet enough to make her second play at consuming it, as was her original intention.
Gast knew about it:Quote:
It's important to note here that Hojo impregnated Lucrecia with the intention of giving their unborn child Jenova cell injections, and that Gast had no knowledge of this.
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After that, a child was born to Lucrecia...
That child's name is...
Sephiroth...
Vincent
"This body is... the punishment that's been given to me..."
"I was unable...... to stop Professor Gast and Hojo..."
"And Lucrecia... I was unable to stop them..."
"All that I was able to do was watch... That is my punishment..."
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Sephiroth "Yes." "Professor Gast, leader of the Jenova Project and genius scientist, produced me."
Again, JENOVA bore the form of a Homo Sapien, only with blue skin, wing-like things, and a tendril-like thing in place of her arm. It still looked similar to a Homo Sapien.Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
When do they say this? If you're referring to the following dialogue, you might want to have payed attention to the sentence that followed the mention of Mako:Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
(Bolded for emphasis.)Quote:
Cid
"You know Shinra developed a lot of techological gadgets during
the meaningless war, right?"
"Now it's a Mako company, but in the old days it was a weapons
manufacturer."
"Well, they came up with a Rocket Engine."
The Rocket was made after the war. The fact that the journal in Nibelheim -- written some thirty years before the main events of the game -- says that Mako Reactor Number 1 was approved for use tells us that it was either already constructed or the plans for its construction were already in place. We don't know exactly when it was built.
You mean aside from being a Cetra, folks who saw what it could do, and also being able to communicate with the Planet?Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
The Planet would know if the creature was awake or not. It had sort of been the cause of that gaping wound that it had been trying to heal for the past 2,000 years and the Planet had been watching it in all that time. Thus, Ifalna would know if the creature was awake or not. It's a safe assumption to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by udsuna
The game never says this. This is all Hojo ever says in regard to his child:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Note here that Hojo says he offered Lucrecia to Professor Gast's JENOVA Project and that they took the Cells of JENOVA and injected them into Lucrecia. He didn't do that alone. It was Gast's project.Quote:
Hojo
"Ha, ha, ha..."
"I offered the woman with my child to Professor Gast's Jenova
Project."
"When Sephiroth was still in the womb, we took the cells of
Jenova..."
There's also the quote that Luthien Rogue presented for further confirmation of this.
...The black-cloaked folks were the residents of the original Nibelheim. And, yes, there were survivors aside from Cloud and Zack for Hojo to capture. Zangan's letter to Tifa suggests this quite plainly:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Further, when visiting Nibelheim in the present, the two black-cloaked folks in one of the upstair bedrooms were obviously the two children that had been there five years before.Quote:
"As I was coming out of the reactor, Shinra troops were just
arriving. I recall a scientist named Hojo was in charge. He ordered the
troops to gather up everyone still alive for the experiment. I didn't know
what type of experiment he was talking about, but I wasn't about to let
them have my dearest student."
How did you think Sephiroth Clones were made? They're not just grown in a tube. They're People that have been infused with Mako and injected with JENOVA's Cells:
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Cloud
"I'm physically built like someone on SOLDIER."
"Hojo's plan to clone Sephiroth wasn't that difficult."
"It was just the same procedure they use when creating members of
SOLDIER."
Cloud
"You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy."
"Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells......"
Except it really is that complicated, as there are varying degress of control which can be exerted depending on the nature of the Person theirself. A former member of SOLDIER in Junon (the Junon Accessory Shop owner) feels the call of the Reunion and even dons a black cloak, yet he is not forced to go and retains his own personality and is otherwise unaffected, whereas the black-cloaked folks (the former residents of Nibelheim) are forced to go and utterly lose their own personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
The game shows us that acceptance of self has everything to do with whether or not one is controlled. Let's take into account that Cloud didn't like himself. He didn't accept himself for who he was. He even hid his face from Tifa and the rest of Nibelheim with the exception of his mother when he returned there after failing to become a member of SOLDIER. Zack, however, a member of SOLDIER, was shown to be confident and rather cocky. Aerith even describes him as a ladies' man. If that doesn't convey that he was self-confident, they couldn't have made it more plain without saying "He was self-confident."
Afte Zack and Cloud are captured along with the rest of the survivors of the Nibelheim massacre, Cloud has a reaction to JENOVA's Cells, whereas Zack does not:
(From the Escapee Reports in the back of the Shinra Mansion library.)
Further, the effect rendered unto Cloud is very similar to what we see rendered unto the other residents of Nibelheim (the black-cloaked folks): He was nearly catatonic and quite incoherent when he tried to speak. When taken control of at one point during the game, he even babbles about calling Meteor, just as the black-cloaked folks babbled about finding the Black Materia or Sephiroth or the Reunion.Quote:
Escapee Report No. 2
Description of the time of capture.
A - Former member of SOLDIER/Number ( )
No effect could be detected from either Mako Radiation Therapy or Jenova on him.
B - Regular/Number ( )
Reaction to Jenova detected.
Cloud didn't become like them, however, as he had a psyche that wasn't shattered to focus on: Zack's. Zack didn't succumb to those experiments because of his nature. He retained his sense of self completely. Cloud, someone who wasn't self-confident and didn't even like himself, lost his, simply because he didn't have a strong one.
In all honesty, how many People really are comfortable with themselves? Not many. Keeping that in mind, recall what Cloud said about members of SOLDIER:
"Weak People" like him. People that aren't comfortable with themselves. Most People.Quote:
Cloud
"You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy."
"Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells......"
"For better or for worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER."
"It has nothing to do with the Jenova Reunion."
"But weak people...... like me, get lost in the whole thing."
Recall something Cloud had asked Zack back in Nibelheim (it was during the Kalm Flashback, meaning the SOLDIER was actually Zack and the guard was actually Cloud):
Obviously, being someone who didn't like theirself, this would be something Cloud would be concerned about.Quote:
"Does someone in SOLDIER always have to be careful about what other people think?"
Now taking into account that we have established a very clear difference between Cloud, someone who didn't make it into SOLDIER, and Zack, someone who did, based on other People that fall into either group, we can make inferences concerning the effects JENOVA has on them.
In the cases of other normal folks, we find that they lose their personalities and become nearly vegetative and incoherent, completely subverted to JENOVA/Sephiroth's will. In the case of another member of SOLDIER (the Junon Accessory Shop owner), we find that he suffered only the faintest effects of the call of the Reunion, only donning a black cloak because he had recently been feeling like dressing up that way, despite it being "out of season." Considering that Zack -- another member of SOLDIER -- hadn't had a reaction to JENOVA's Cells in Nibelheim, we can infer that both Zack and the Junon Accessory Shop owner were self-confident and comfortable with who they were.
Let's examine someone else: Lucrecia. She despised herself, yet she had accepted herself for who she was:
Note that she said she had been dreaming of Sephiroth a lot "lately," the same as the Junon Accessory Shop fellow says he had "recently" been feeling like dressing up in a black cloak:Quote:
Lucrecia
"Lately, I dream a lot of Sephiroth... My dear, dear child."
"Ever since he was born I never got to hold him, even once..."
"Not even once. You can't call me his mother... That... is my
sin..."
In other words, she too felt the call of the Reunion, but it had only the faintest effects on her due to her accepting herself for who she was, even if she didn't like who she was.Quote:
"I used to be in SOLDIER. Recently, I've felt like dressing up like this... I don't know, it's out of season, but..."
Finally, in the case of Cloud, he too eventually accepts himself for who he was:
(From after his time in the Lifestream, when he admits to the rest of AVALANCHE that he was never in SOLDIER.)
Cloud admitted that he was weak. He accepted that he was weak. In other words, he accepted himself even if himself wasn't someone he liked.Quote:
Cloud
"I never was in SOLDIER."
"I made up the stories about what happened to me five years ago,
about being in SOLDIER."
"I left my village looking for glory, but never made it in to
SOLDIER......"
"I was so ashamed of being so weak; then I heard this story from
my friend Zack..."
"And I created an illusion of myself made up of what I had seen
in my life....."
"And I continued to play the charade as if it were true."
...
"You see, someone in SOLDIER isn't simply exposed to Mako energy."
"Their bodies are actually injected with Jenova cells......"
"For better or for worse, only the strong can enter SOLDIER."
"It has nothing to do with the Jenova Reunion."
"But weak people...... like me, get lost in the whole thing."
This has a profound effect during the game's ending, when Cloud is either purging the last of JENOVA/Sephiroth's influence from his mind, or fending off one final attempt on its/his/their part to control him (the one-on-one duel between Cloud and Sephiroth's form). Having recently accepted himself, Cloud easily is successful. We know that this event -- whatever it was -- took place in Cloud's mind, as we saw his astral form be pulled out of his body before the battle, and his real body had been standing on that cliff the entire time the battle was going on, made obvious when the camera switched back to his body still standing there as the Northern Crater was caving in around him.
Something else worthy of note pertains to just why Cloud and the residents of Nibelheim lost their sense of self when they were experimented on by Hojo. Recall that they were infused with Mako. Mako is condensed Spirit Energy. Spirit Energy retains the knowledge (memories) of those who have lived and died in the past, made obvious by Sephiroth's explanation of Materia and Bugenhagen's explanation of the cycle of life and death:
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"...the knowledge and wisdom of the Ancients is held in the
materia."
"Anyone with this knowledge can freely use the powers of the Land and the Planet. That knowledge interacts between ourselves and the planet calling up magic..... or so they say."
Note that Bugenhagen makes note of People's consciousness here, as well.Quote:
"Eventually... all humans die. What happens to them after they
die?"
"The body decomposes, and returns to the Planet. That much
everyone knows. What about their consciousness, their hearts and their
souls?"
"The soul too returns to the Planet."
In other words, Mako is going to contain the memories of People who have lived and died in the past. Being infused with Mako would be like a surge of memories flooding into one's head. If someone isn't even comfortable with theirself to begin with, how are they going to handle the memories of other People filling their head? They'll lose their place amongst what's there, losing theirself.
Zack didn't succumb to this.
To simplify all this, read this summary:
1) Cloud, like most People, didn't accept himself for who he was. He was weak. Most People are likewise weak.
2) Zack was comfortable with acknowelding himself for who he was, as were members of SOLDIER. Zack was mentally strong. Members of SOLDIER were mentally strong and barely affected at all by the call of the Reunion.
3) Lucrecia didn't like herself, but -- like Zack -- accepted herself for who she was. She was mentally strong enough to be only slightly affected by the call of the Reunion.
4) Once Cloud accepted himself for who he was, even if he didn't like who he was, he became strong enough to be free of JENOVA/Sephiroth's influence. In other words, by accepting that he was weak, he became strong, because he was accepting himself.
Yes, it is a complicated matter, but it really is that complicated. The fact alone that there were varying degrees of control or influence exerted is enough to show that it's more complicated than "JENOVA's in them. They can be manipulated."
There is no event involving her and Vincent trying to escape together. Their only moments alone together are when they are walking through Nibelheim -- considering that Vincent was doubtless sent there to protect the scientists, it's no mystery as to why he would be escorting Lucrecia when she went to town -- and then at the front of Nibelheim when Vincent makes what appears to be a declaration of love, only to be rejected and find her in Hojo's arms kissing him a moment later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Besides, if Vincent and Lucrecia had been trying to leave, it would have been fairly simple for him to just shoot Gast and Hojo.
how can you find it so easy to explain things so clearly? i couldn't fo that it's the reason i dont get A's in English Literature
Cloud was mentally weak at the beggining of the game but never showed it untill you saw him become manipulated, Jenova may have onc e looked more human before she was imprisoned but we dont know do we. one thing that confuses alot of gamers is that the Sephiroth you fight is an illusion once they see his body they get confused and make stuff up but its really hard to explain the right way im sorry i cannot do it though