if you got warped into the world of ff would you want to go home i dont think i would havin a clan would rock :D
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if you got warped into the world of ff would you want to go home i dont think i would havin a clan would rock :D
This is an excellent question, but my answer will not make much sense unless you understand my theory about how the worlds work. If you're not interested, read no further. It is all in spoilers, because it includes some very important plot info, but if you beat the game you should be ok.
(SPOILER)Ok, we see the world change, and we see some of the people change into the characters in Ivalice. Yet Mewt, Cid, Doned, Ritz, and Marche don't change. What is so special about them? I'll give my answer in a second. Also, we know that desire is the thread that holds the world together. As long as the world is wanted, it will be there. But some people changed, while others remained the same. And many of the characters (Ezel, Babus, Montblanc, etc...) seem to have no relation to any real world characters at all. After considering this for a couple dozen hours, I drew up a theory that explains things (of course, if my theory is correct, then Marche turns out to be a mass murderer, but we'll get to that later). Ivalice is based on St. Ivalice, and some of its inhabitants are based on real people from St. Ivalice. But there are many more people in Ivalice (and the surrounding countries) than could possibly exist in a small country town. I think that the world of Ivalice is actually seperate from the world of St. Ivalice. Mewt, Cid, Doned, Ritz, and Marche were the only ones who actually crossed over into the new world when it was created. Some of the beings in Ivalice were based on real people (the three bullies show up as undead, for example), but they are actually seperate entities. And the rest of the world's population was created by the book when the world was. Now then, as to the five anomalies... Mewt, as the creator of the world, would obviously be transferred in. But the other four? Thinking about Llednar Twem (Mewt Randell backwards), Mewt's powerful alter ego, and the way each of the characters react, I decided that each of the four other characters was pulled into the world to represent a part of Mewt's personality, the part of his personality that he sees them as. When they enter Ivalice, they each change, to become the way Mewt sees them. Ritz's hair, Doned's illness, and Cid's motivation. I can't define how Marche changed (or even if he changed. He might have been the way Mewt envisioned him all along) right now, but my point stands. Now then, the roles. Cid was the Judgemaster. Impartial, not following emotions or feelings. The voice of reason, he listens to the facts, and bases his decisions off of them. Doned was the Child. He represented the part of Mewt that just wanted to play and have fun. Ritz was the Protector. She saves Mewt from the bullies and then tries to protect Mewt's world from Marche. And finally, Marche. He is the Paladin. A defender of what is right. He continues to fight on to leave because he believes that leaving is the right thing to do (he's wrong, but I'll get to that in a second). The characters battle out the internal conflict that Mewt is feeling ever since he first creates Ivalice. He thinks that it's right to return, but he doesn't want to. The interactions between the various characters throughout the game is how Mewt's feelings move as the game progresses. As Marche becomes more powerful, Mewt's sense that returning to the real world is right also becomes more powerful. When Marche (Mewt's feelings about what is right) win over the others, the internal conflict is resolved and Mewt leaves. That is fine, and is how it should be. Staying in that world would have been very detremental to Mewt's mental health in the long run. But Mewt should have been the only one to leave. If the world exists as long as its creator wants it, and the other four were representing aspects of that creator, then the world would continue to exist as long as Mewt was there, or as long as Cid, Doned, Ritz, and Marche were there. Those four were much better off in Ivalice than Mewt, since it was not based around their fantasies, even if many of their dreams did come true. Going back to the real world would probably be better for them as well, but at what price? If every person in Ivalice is a seperate entity from the people of St. Ivalice, then by doing the "right thing" and returning home, Marche actually destroyed the entire population of a world, including Montblanc, Babus, Ezel, your clan, etc... Now for the spoiler in a spoiler. After you beat the game, the other four are still in Ivalice, but Mewt is gone (Cid and Ritz can join your clan, and "Clan Doned" is based in the Ambervale, suggesting that Doned is probably still there too). This supports my theory, if you think of it as an alternate ending. In the original ending, once all five people left, Ivalice (and everyone in it) vanished. But in the alternate ending, only Mewt left. The four others were enough to hold the world in place. This is why I think leaving Ivalice was an evil thing for Marche to do. He killed off so many people, his friends... I think that it is better to do the thing that is worse for you (staying in a dream world is not good for you, even if it's not as bad as staying in your own dream world, which is what Mewt was doing) rather than wipe out the entire population of a world to do what is right for yourself. Cid says it very well himself at one point. This is the conversation (from memory, so it won't be perfect [unless I'm even better than I think I am! :D ]):
Cid: Is there no other way for you to get home?
Marche: I... I don't know.
Cid: Then you cannot be allowed to proceed. You cannot be allowed to destroy our world.
True, staying in Ivalice was not a healthy decision for Marche. But compared to the alternative? I think that it is better to do what is worse for yourself than to commit genocide.
Whew! Sorry for the length of that. Comments? Questions? (Praise? :D )
I'd be glad to hear from you!
thats pretty much the way i saw it too its good to find someone who agrees thanks for the response :D
:eek: Someone actually read all that?! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.black mage and watch
No problem. I like to hear myself speak (or watch myself type, as the case may be). :D
thats an intresting thesis. damn, that made me like FFTA again. I thought the story was all childish and lame, but now i remembered how realistic the main character is. hes not some big hero guy whos noble or nothin, hes just a kid that wants to fight for what he believes is right. which is actually wrong. thats good stuff. but still nto as good as FFT :tongue:
ill admit FFT was betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Excelsior
:cry: I haven't been able to get a copy of FFT. Boo hoo. I need to check the local game stores again this weekend. Thanks for reminding me. :cry:
well then lets discus i disagree with skyblade you said it yourself it is a reflection of mewt dreams good thing about march ritz cid mewt and doned why they where there but i believe the rest is mewt fantasy that means montblac shara everyone from your clan they are not real so i dont considering destroying them because they were never real it could als be like this everyone changes into a creature in ivalice so a floateye could be the teacher you dont know.
skyblade this would make a nice discussion although i hate discussing over internet (i cant use my fists :D) (just kidding :D)
(You're lucky then. You'll survive this "discussion". I use swords, not fists... :D )Quote:
Originally Posted by tailz
Well, this falls into an unsolvable arguement, because it all depends on how you define "real". I believe that the world is seperate from the real world. After Mewt returns, why doesn't anyone else remember Ivalice? This is another reason why I believe that only Mewt, Doned, Cid, Ritz, and Marche were actually in the dream world. I can imagine them keeping a secret among themselves. Everyone else would be wondering what the hell happened for those few years. Also, Mewt, Doned, Cid, Ritz, and Marche were the only ones who remembered St. Ivalice, remember? So the other people either lost their memories (which there is nothing to suggest that this happened) or never knew of St. Ivalice in the first place! Like I said, I thought about this for a few dozen hours, and this is the only explanation that made sense to me in the end.
Your turn. :D
I'd stay and fight monsters and have a kick ass clan
i never want to go home :weep: :tongue: ! that's why i decided to slowly progress through the storyline :p . i love home, but i love adventure even more :love: . besides, i still see my friends and others who gets absorbed into this world created from Mewt's twisted mind :jap: .
first of remembeer me to not chalenge you again. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
k no one remembers exactly your right about that.
but there isnt much to remember something that just didnt happen to them. i thought of an other explanation there a other world paralel to st ivalice and that is ivalice and it doest get destroys but marche, ritz, etc just go back to there own (il just call it dimension k (cant help it im a stupid dutchman with a lack of english skill)) dimension
i must admin your theory is good its very good
(this is fun)
your turn m8
Don't challenge me again... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tailz
That makes sense, except:
(SPOILER)You see everyone in the world get wiped out when Ritz, Mewt, Cid, Doned, and Marche leave at the end of the normal game, remember? So we know that them leaving destroys the world!
I would certainly stay, wven if it would only be a dream word.
To the theory, I think that the reason only Marche and co went to Ivalice is that they were all present when reading the book.
Cid wasn't...Quote:
Originally Posted by GLR