criminal rights

what do u think? should criminals have rights, and how much of an extent should these rights go? obviously im talking about serial killers and rapists and murderers and the like. i dont really want to go into much detail on what i think, but lets just say i think the punisher does good work.

Everyone has rights. People who commit crimes give up those rights. The more severe the crime, the more rights they lose.

I don't understand what rights in particular you're talking about. Could you explain?

I personally feel that criminal rights are important to an extent.

You always hear people bitching about "Criminal rights being more important than victims rights!!11one" Victims rights? Please! Explain to me what the "Victims rights" are? The right to seek revenge? The right to see justice administered? The right t see someone imprisoned? Please... come one now. Those rights don't exist. Im going to comment more on this later.

I have complex opinions on this topic, and I could go on about it for hours, but basically I think criminals should be treated like human beings and should be pitied for their shortcomings. I also believe "there but for the grace of god go I..." (even though I don't believe in god)

Perhaps change it to: "there but for the grace of Bruckner, go I"?

Take care all.

Ok.. I just have to know. Who is this Bruckner guy anyway? He certainly is pretty famous!

Bruckner

Not that this has anything to do with the topic at hand, which I think is a pretty important topic.

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

Victims rights? Please! Explain to me what the "Victims rights" are?

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Originally Posted by http://www.ijchr.com/victims.htm

Victims' Rights
A victim has the right to the protection of law in accordance with the Constitution. This includes the right to life and security of the person and to have access to the Courts in order to obtain remedies where there are violations of these rights.

For this propose a victim of criminal wrong is entitled to obtain the assistance of the police by the investigating of his complaint and the apprehension of the offender.

A victim may bring a civil action against the wrongdoer to recover compensation for injuries, losses and mental suffering. However, in many cases of assaults, a certificate of conviction is a bar to further proceedings both civil and criminal, if the fine imposed has been paid, but the criminal court may award costs to the complainant for expenses incurred in the prosecution.

Where the wrongdoer is a public officer and abuses his authority, the victim may sue the wrongdoer as well as the Attorney General and recover exemplary, in addition to ordinary and aggravated, damages.

A victim whose house, shop or other building has been demolished or pulled down by rioters is entitled to be compensated.

A victim of criminal act that causes injuries is entitled to seek medical attention at a public hospital or clinic.

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Ok so it's for jamaica, but it's a good representation of the legal rights that victims have.

Hehe...

I believe criminals do have rights, but not as many as normal citizens. Their lawyers fight for "rights" that they should have, rights that aren't really rights at all. There have been court battles (which the ACLU has been involved in, of course) that have demanded the showing of cable television in prisons, or the availability of certain reading materials (including pornography), or the presence of certain food in the lunchroom...and I'm not talking about what's healthy and what's not, I'm talking about demanding that they have their steak and shrimp lunch. Hell, prison food is better'n school food.

I say every crime gets a set sentence, and they can work it off. Just like military prisons--spend all day making big rocks into little rocks, then back into big rocks.

Our prison systems are a joke.

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There have been court battles (which the ACLU has been involved in, of course) that have demanded the showing of cable television in prisons, or the availability of certain reading materials (including pornography), or the presence of certain food in the lunchroom...and I'm not talking about what's healthy and what's not, I'm talking about demanding that they have their steak and shrimp lunch. Hell, prison food is better'n school food.

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Yeah, I'm pretty liberal, but not in this case. My idea of what prison should be (but obviously isn't): Basic, healthy but tasteless food, water, maybe some pre-approved reading material if they're good, and the most basic accomidations. Instead, alot of them get ammenities I can only dream of. :mad:

Oh, and physical labor, the proceeds of which go to the victims or their families.

EDIT: Please don't double post. -Murder

From what I hear, it costs more to put a criminal into prison than it does to release him. I may be wrong.

People who degrade and murder others don't deserve the rights of human beings.

Who gives you the right to make that decision?

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From what I hear, it costs more to put a criminal into prison than it does to release him. I may be wrong.

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No, you're right. And executing someone (due to appeals ect.) costs even more. :rolleyes2

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Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara

No, you're right. And executing someone (due to appeals ect.) costs even more. :rolleyes2

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which is completely and utterly insane... for each appeal and such they should have to do something to pay back the community.. forced labor, procedes go to the community, of some sort sounds like a good idea.

And the quality of our prisons is insane as well...I mean goodness grachious I know people who can't afford cable TV, I know people who can just barely afford a roof over thier heads... and criminals DESERVE more? I think not.

As for the book issue.. i believe it is important for books to be there. Pornography is an exception.. I feel you get really little educational value from that. Whereas reading large novels can greatly increase ones intellect and may help to teach some moral values... particualy if the books there are books that are written by people about how it is like to be a victim.