i think this thread was well over due.
no intro much needed.
discuss.
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i think this thread was well over due.
no intro much needed.
discuss.
I like immigration. I am an American because of immigration. I am alive because of immigration. America exsist because of immigration. Immigration creates diverse, interesting, and exciting societies. So yay immigration. :D
As for "illegal" immigration...well...I just think that's an obsurd concept. :tongue:
Aggreed. Legal imigration is great. but if they are unwilling to go through the legal process... well then it is not so great.
The legal process may be slower then the illegal process but it is the *legal* version. And it also tries to keep the balance in the USA. Think about we may indeed have a lot of money/jobs.. but yet there are still people who can't find jobs when they are laid off. Too much immigration would destroy the economy. Too little and there are also problems.
Ummm...Spain is going through a problem with inmigration in the last years, since there is a very large ammount of people entering in the country, and racism is starting to emerge a lot in society. Truth is, many inmigrants do come through mafias and are forced to lead a criminal life (or prostitution) to pay back this mafias, this is undoubtely a problem, but I can't really blame the inmigrants on that, I'd rather blame the mafias. Of course, some inmigrants are bad people and whatever, but this is not a damn general rule as some people seem to suppose.
Well, of course inmigration brings problems, dificulties, etc, but it also brings benefits, and any mature society should be ready to accept this changes, as they are inevitable. I dunno, I am conscious of the problems it brings, but I don't think it is a reason to start kicking people out of the country for purely economical reasons, as many suppose.
The United Kingdom is suffering alot with Immigration, we're accepting too many people, what use is a builder with no hands? Thats the people we let in. Other countries say no, so they come to us, and we give them a house and money.
Im not saying shut the doors but just.. slow down.
the uk just now is suffering from a population which is becoming an upside down pyramid. they will soon be more old people then workers. that is a huge problem. on top of that there is a skills shortage.
immigration can balance out both problems.
there's this great problem in the uk where there are two arguments against immigration. "he's sponging and getting welfare" "he stole my job". well if one is true the other is not. if he got your job there's a reason for that. the employer and immigrant wins. if he's sponging off benefits then you have his job and you win and the employer win again.
Yeh coz at the end of the day we're paying taxes so they can come and get comfy here whilst they live on Benefits which we pay for.
WEll I have a friend in thats in the same class I am and him and his family came to america as illegals because they had to and they out there lives in the hands of smugglers.The problem is when they make it here they get next to no benefits.A lot end up getting a job thats literally slave labor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShunNakamura
no zelda. they don't just come and take benefits. fact is it takes time for them to get a work permit.
and we actually need them right now. otherwise we will be stuck with an inverted pyramid population and a skilled labour shortage. at that point we are totally screwed.
pensions used to wrk because they were more wrkers than old people. so the cost could be shared out and so wasn't a big deal. now with more old people and less workers. that means that one worker will need to pay for more than 1 old persons pension. but if there was more people earning more money then it would be spread more evenly like it used to be.
we are heading for disaster and immigration is the best treatment. to stop it now would be a huge mistake.
Well I don't have a problem agaisnt Illegal Immigrants myself(though I know some who do), in fact they are more then likely good people just on hard times. As for slave labor jobs.. well yeah.. I know a few people who seem to be in jobs like that(though probably not as bad as what you are describing.. we aren't that poor here). Usually people with less money/benifits. Which does fit illegal immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
Out of curiosity, since I don't really know, what benifits, if any, do legal immigrants get?
But basically a controlled flow is almost always better then an uncontroled flow. And what illegal immigrants do is trying to put holes in the control unit(lets say dam). As more and more squeez around the dam the entire infastructure weakens. Allowing more through. Now our system may never allow more illegal's through, but what happens to the other side of the dam? the places over there may flood and take damage. So when an immigrant immigrates illegal they can cause damage to the infastruture that they will end up beign a part of. One Illegal won't truely hurt us(we are too big for that), heck 1000 probably won't truely harm us.. but there is a point where it will become visible.. and quite possibly damaging.
I am against immigration because i'm racist.
0Unless you have native american blood flowing through your veins I don't think you have any right to condeem immigration.
He's English.Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
About slave labor here YES there are, like meat packing plants, rampant blood and death there >_> Theres workers getting favors for sex, and other things like that. Read Fast Food Nation by Eric Schossler and you will see in one of their chapters that this is indeed true as lordblazer put it.
Its NEVER about being a poor country or not, its more that if you can take advantage of people for your own gain, just about everyone out there will damn will. Many are lured here by false hope and dreams, bused to work in some meatpaking plant. I highly recommend you read that book because quite frankly thinking that America wont do any of those kinds of things is just plain stupidity.
Thing is, what are they gonna do? They arent that good in English, do not have any knowing of the government, and most have families to feed and they cant risk losing their jobs. And its just like Animal Farm, once you are useless you are fired. They even force them to sign waivers to say accidents did not happen (or something like that) to cover things up. Else they lose their jobs or are on their hitlist to lose jobs. And you think these things happen in other countries only :rolleyes2
The fact that the government can spend millions (maybe even billions?) researching and developing weapons designed to inhumanely kill people, and then turn around complaining about some immigrants costing them is beyond me.
Recently, in my town, two Fillipino nurses got their windows smashed by these hard-liners that are totally against immigration. The state the NHS is in over here leaves a lot to be desired for, and these immigrants are needed. Do these people who smashed the windows not realize that if they were to have an accident, those Fillipino nurses would be helping their sorry asses?
And people say about them coming here and recieving welfare/benefit. The overwhelming majority of them do come here to work, but I'll just play along with this mis-guided notion for a second anyway. Suppose a lot of them did come here with that in mind, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that isn't a uniquely immigration related phenomenon. What about the amount of your fellow citizens sitting their arses getting it too. What about the strain those people are putting on the economy? So let's get this straight. It's okay for a lot of lazy citizens to leech off the tax payers money, but as soon as a few foreigners so much as think about it, they're a hate target?
"OMF asylum s33Ker takin all meh JOBZ!!!1!! ROFL!1!"
That's just not true. Those jobs are there for the taking, and why should those jobs belong to you? Because that's your birthright? I'd like to think one gets a job based on merit, and not on country of origin. If one has trouble getting a job, I'm willing to hazard a guess it's not because of a new breed of superhuman immigrants. I would point the finger at someone else...