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ive been playing and noticed that sephiroth is trapped in the materia thingy in north crater right?
but you see sephiroth maney time in the game i know it cant be the real sephiroth so is it jenova?
oh and if so how would jenova get out of that contaimment thingy?
The Sephiroth at the northern crater is believed by most to be the real Sephiroth who Cloud supposedly killed a few years ago. The other Sephiroths you see throughout the game were created by Sephiroth in his image with Jenovas powers. The created images of himself have a physical form and mirror his strength from when Cloud new him before the Nibelheim incident.
Read about sephiroth and other things here: http://www.ffshrine.org/ff7/ff7_theory.php
It answered almost all my questions.
Go there, but don't accept what you see as fact. There's quite a few errors in there. I'll list them all here:Quote:
Originally Posted by bbomber72000
-Sephiroth Section-
Their psyches didn't intermingle. Zack simply told Cloud all aboutQuote:
Locked outside, Tifa wasn't there to see what happened, and Cloud wasn't there either - he was guarding her. His memories of the event stem from his time with Zack as their consciousnesses intermingled in the pods underneath Shinra Mansion.
what happened after their during their imprisonment or after their escape, and Cloud soaked up what he was told:
Note that Cloud didn't adopt anything of Zack but his status as aQuote:
Cloud
"I never was in SOLDIER."
"I made up the stories about what happened to me five years ago, about being in SOLDIER."
"I left my village looking for glory, but never made it in to
SOLDIER......"
"I was so ashamed of being so weak; then I heard this story from
my friend Zack..."
"And I created an illusion of myself made up of what I had seen
in my life....."
"And I continued to play the charade as if it were true."
member of SOLDIER and his role in the Nibelheim mission. Not his
hometown, not his parents, not his girlfriend. Just those two things.
In every other respect, he remembered himself as being Cloud Strife of
Nibelheim.
In all likelihood, those were pieces of JENOVA and not astralQuote:
"Shinra's ultimate success story would soon become their ultimate nightmare, as Sephiroth's body was transported to the Northern Crater through the Lifestream and sealed in a Mako chrysalis. His psyche, powerful enough to actually coalesce into physical form, began to travel the land, searching for his "mother," JENOVA. This is why Sephiroth can fly and appear transparent and almost ten times normal size at some points in the game. He can also travel through the ground at points as well. His true body is in the Northern Crater; his mind was so strong that he can move around mentally in a physical state he fashioned for himself to retrieve the Black Materia and summon
Meteor."
projections. JENOVA's Cells can change their form ("Sephiroth:
'Cloud... Don't blame Tifa. The ability to change one's looks, voice,
and words, is the power of Jenova.'"), so it would be simple enough
for its pieces to appear as Sephiroth.
For an explanation of this, look below:
(From Final Fantasy VII Analysis.)
It's also debatable as to whether or not Sephiroth was manipulatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
things or if JENOVA was manipulating things (including Sephiroth), but
that's not a discussion for this matter.
This is incorrect on most every count. It's fully known that rape didQuote:
"Sephiroth's true mother was Lucretia, the woman Vincent secretly loved, and his father was Hojo. Hojo, impregnating Lucretia (rather or not rape occurred is unknown), injected his own unborn son with JENOVA cells while he was still in the womb. He then subjected him to artificial aging to accelerate his growth."
not occur in regard to Lucrecia, as she is shown in Vincent's
flashback hugging and kissing Hojo. She even rejected Vincent for him.
Also worthy of note is that Hojo was not the only one to inject
Lucrecia as is so often suggested. It's forgotten quite often that the
JENOVA Project was Gast's project. He and Hojo both carried out the procedure, as Hojo and Lucrecia were his assistants. They willingly
offered up their child and Lucrecia herself to experimentation:
Something else that needs to be pointed out is that Sephiroth was notQuote:
Cloud
"Sephiroth is your son!?
Vincent
"......!"
Hojo
"Ha, ha, ha..."
"I offered the woman with my child to Professor Gast's Jenova
Project."
"When Sephiroth was still in the womb, we took the cells of
Jenova..."
"HA, HA, HA!!"
subjected to accelerated growth. He was roughly 25 years old at the
time of the experimentation. If you'll recall, Gast was killed after
being discovered by Hojo only 20 days after Aerith was born (the name
of the tape at Icicle Inn states that his and Ifalna's daughter was 20
days old; in the game's present, Aerith is 22 years old).
Further, Elder Bugah of Cosmo Canyon states that it has been some 30
years since Professor Gast discovered JENOVA:
Obviously, the terrible thing Gast was accusing himself of wasQuote:
"You can't talk of the Ancients without mentioning Professor Gast. He used to come here sometimes. He was a ShinRa scholar who spent his life studying the Ancients. He was a serious person, never would've figured he'd be with the ShinRa. Must've been about 30 years ago, when he found the corpse of an Ancient. He was elated! If I recall.. he named it 'Jenova' and was doing a lot of research.. One day, he showed up here, looking real distressed. He was mumbling something about Jenova not being an Ancient and that he'd done a terrible thing. He's been missing since then. I heard that he never went back to ShinRa."
Lucrecia's apparent death. He would have left Shin-Ra after that, it
seems, later met and married Ifalna, and then was killed only 20 days
after their daughter's birth.
There's no flaw in such a theory. Hojo's scientific experiments onQuote:
"The JENOVA cell mutation idea has one major flaw in it, glaring to even the most unlearned eye. Nowhere else in the game did JENOVA cells lead to an actual physical mutation. They instead seem to have a focus on the mental aspects of their host/victim. Only Hojo mutates through three forms as you fight him, but this is probably more a result of his scientific experiments than of JENOVA's influence."
himself were JENOVA Cell injections. Immediately after stating that he has injected himself with the Cells, he states that he is going to
show AVALANCHE the results:
Also recall the mutated creatures in the pods outside ofQuote:
Hojo
"I've injected Jenova's cells into my own body!"
"Heee, hee, hee!"
"Here are......"
"Heee, hee, hee!"
"...my results!!"
JENOVA's Room. Those were also JENOVA mutations, most likely, as they appear to be hooked up to feeds from JENOVA's Room.
In all fairness, we don't know what Hojo did to Vincent. It's neverQuote:
"Vincent's limit breaks probably function in a similar manner, seeing as Hojo not only injected him with JENOVA but with the cells and
physical properties of various monsters."
touched upon in-game.
There's no implication that Vincent's left arm is damaged. He'sQuote:
"And, within those injections, were other agents, probably responsible for his damaged left arm and his limit breaks."
wearing a gauntlet. For that matter, he's wearing a different gauntlet
in Advent Children, so he can obviously take that original guantlet
off. Further, in Dirge of Cerberus screenshots, the gauntlet has
spaces between the joints showing what appears to simply be a leather
glove beneath, meaning the metallic yellow parts are simply grafted
onto the leather:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ysGauntlet.bmp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...sGauntlet2.bmp
For that matter, when looking at a large version of Nomura's design of
Vincent for VII, the black leather can be seen between the joints of
Vincent's claw:
http://photobucket.com/albums/v132/S...tValentine.jpg
We don't know that the same dose of JENOVA's Cells was given to Cloud as Hojo gave to himself. For that matter, JENOVA/Sephiroth neverQuote:
"If this is not the case then I ask why Cloud does not change physical appearance at any point in the game."
attempted to force him to transform, nor did he ever attempt to do so
himself.
Further notable concerning JENOVA transformations are Sephiroth's final forms, which only consist of torsos, just as only his torso remained:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rothsTorso.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...WithNoLegs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ithNoLegs2.jpg
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rsoEdited2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...oSephiroth.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v132/S...rSephiroth.jpg
I would consider this a rather glaring case of mutation.
-Holy and Meteor Section-
Had that occurred, there would have been no reason for Holy to evenQuote:
"Holy may have interpreted the real threat to the Planet not as Meteor but as humanity itself."
interfere with Meteor in the first place. It could simply have done
nothing and allowed Meteor to impact. Sure it would have caused a
wound to the Planet, but without JENOVA/Sephiroth coming to asborb the Planet's Spirit Energy, it may not have been fatal. In any event, Holy tries to stop Meteor and this should be taken into account. Further, Nanaki states that it was "too late" for Holy.
We need to keep in mind that Holy had been summoned weeks before this point in time, but had been held back. Some of its power may have
diminished. That would not only fit with the "It's too late for Holy"
statement (rather than a "Holy's turned against us" statement), but
would make sense in regard to Meteor apparently converting Holy, as
its blue-ish white changed to red. That would also fit with the
Lifestream's arrival, coming to add more power to Holy. If you'll
recall, it converges beneath Holy, in the spot where Meteor was
passing through. The flash that follows is Holy's colour returning.
Holy emerged simply as a beam of energy. It gathering beneath MeteorQuote:
"Perhaps we are overstating the power of Holy. When it emerges from the Northern crater and moves underneath Meteor it seems to resemble a shield, rather than some kind of magical force."
was simply the only logical thing for it to do. If it had slammed
straight into its side, it would have simply knocked it off course and
caused it to plummet into the Planet in another spot rather than on
top of Midgar. Getting beneath it and then forcing its way up would be
the only logical course of action.
There's a few points you forgot to consider:Quote:
"We also know that Meteor has hit before. This of course isn't really touched on in the game but that's irrelevant - it doesn't have to be. Anybody who knows anything about FF7 knows what I mean when I say "Northern Crater." Northern Crater was created by Meteor's summoning, and we know this is true for two facts. One, what else could have created such an impact? JENOVA falling to the Planet couldn't have created such a gaping wound because her mass is simply not large enough, especially as compared to Meteor. Two, in the Temple of the Ancients we see a mural depicting past events in an Egyptian style art form. Painted by the Cetra (who else?), it clearly shows somebody using the Black Materia (JENOVA, perhaps?) and then Meteor striking the Planet."
1) The rate of speed at which an object descends toward a Planet's
surface affects the potency of the impact. We don't know how fast
JENOVA was falling.
2) JENOVA can shift its mass at will. It very well could have been
larger than is seen in the JENOVA-SYNTHESIS battle, especially
considering that the other JENOVA creatures fought before that point
were taller, and in the case of at least one (JENOVA-BIRTH), it was
just a transformed tentacle of JENOVA.
3) The gigantic fissure that we can fly the Highwind down into later
in the game wasn't always that size. At one point, the hole was only
slightly larger than the Highwind, whereas Meteor was the size of
Midgar. There was merely a hole within a large bowl-shaped recess in
the Planet. When the WEAPONs awakened, however, the area surrounding the hole caved in (you can see pieces of rock falling as Sapphire WEAPON and Diamond WEAPON make their way out of the hole), leaving that entire bowl-shaped recess as a giant hole, large enough for the Highwind to descend into easily:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...hernCrater.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ernCrater2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ernCrater3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ernCrater4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ernCrater5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ernCrater6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ernCrater7.jpg
As far as the mural in the Temple goes, the Temple itself was the
Black Materia. That there would be a mural depicting what it could do
should be little surprise, especially with the obvious Mayan architecture of the Temple. Mayans often use hieroglyphics to simply explain things or to record prophecies. Those murals are not necessarily recordings of past events.
If you'll recall, Bugenhagen learns of Holy in the City of theQuote:
"Indeed, I would wager that Holy isn't as powerful as Bugenhagen made it appear to be. Holy's purpose was essentially a Meteor counter, not a giant reset button for the Planet.
...
And of course we know Holy cannot be the metaphorical reset button
Bugenhagen makes it out to be, because, once again, of the Northern
Crater's existence."
Ancients from their knowledge that was floating around in there.
Concerning Aerith:
Aerith had to go to the Ancient's City because she didn't know about
Holy yet. If you'll recall, she says that she felt like she was being
led by something, and that the secret was waiting for her there. Now
recall that Bugenhagen learned of Holy from the knowledge floating
around in the City. Likewise, so did Aerith. She didn't have to be
there to pray for Holy. She simply chose to perform the prayer right
away once she learned what the White Materia did.
Also, her death wasn't pointless. While Holy failed to stop Meteor on
its own (and it didn't turn against humanity), the implication offered
by the ending is that it was Aerith that sent the Lifestream to
strengthen Holy. Her theme plays while it rises and she appears in the
wake of Meteor being negated. This certainly suggests that her spirit
guided the Lifestream into action. While her death seemed as though it
was going to avail nothing, in the end, it proved a stroke of fortune
on the party of humanity, because she saved them in death.
By the way, Square's intent for Aerith's death wasn't intended to appear as self-sacrifice. In fact, the whole point was that it not be self-sacrifice, and, instead, feel like it waspointless, because they felt that that is how death feels in reality and that the dramatic self-sacrifice cliche was unrealistic and sent the wrong message to people.
In the May 2003 issue of EDGE magazine (issue 123), there is a
six-page "Making of..." feature on Final Fantasy VII in which
Yoshinori Kitase (Director and Co-Scenario Writer of Final Fantasy
VII) and Tetsuya Nomura (Character Designer of Final Fantasy VII) were interviewed and asked about various points concerning Aerith's death. During the course of this interview, Nomura says the following:
"Back at the time we were designing the game, I was frustrated with
the perennial cliche where the protagonist loves someone very much and so has to sacrifice himself and die in a dramatic fashion to express
that love. We found this was the case in both games and movies, both
easter and western. But I wanted to say something different, something realistic. I mean, is it right to set such an example to people?"
Kitase follows that up with this:
"In the real world, things are very different. You just need to look
around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and
accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad
attached to it. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling, but a feeling of
emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think 'If I had known this was coming I would have
done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in
the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings
of reality and not Hollywood."
(For proof of this magazine's existance, the "Making of..." feature,
and the dialogue in the interview, refer to these images:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...murasIdeas.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...urasIdeas2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...urasIdeas3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...rithsDeath.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ithsDeath2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ithsDeath3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...03Issue123.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...e--May2003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ingofFFVII.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ngofFFVII2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ngofFFVII3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ngofFFVII4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ngofFFVII5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ngofFFVII6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ngofFFVII7.jpg
(Note: Just for the hell of it, while on the subject of this issue of
EDGE magazine, it should also be noted that here Kitase stated that
reviving Aerith was never intended:
"The world was expecting us to bring her back to life, as this is the
classic convention. But we did not. We had decided this from the
beginning. There was a lot of reaction from Japanese users. Some of
them were very sad about it, while others were angry. We even received a lengthy petition addressed to our scenario writer asking for
Aerith's revival. But there are many meanings in Aerith's death and
that could never happen."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ToStayDead.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...oStayDead2.jpg)
With Kitase's words about death being unexpected in mind, consider
Cloud's dream in which he speaks to Aerith in the Sleeping Forest.
Aerith intended to handle JENOVA/Sephiroth on her own, and then come
back:
Also consider Tifa's insight into her friend's intentions:Quote:
Aerith
"And let me handle Sephiroth."
Aerith
"And Cloud, you take care of yourself."
Aerith
"So you don't have a breakdown, okay?"
Cloud
"What is this place?"
Aerith
"This forest leads to the City of the Ancients... and is
called Sleeping Forest."
Aerith
"It's only a matter of time before Sephiroth uses Meteor."
"That's why I'm going to protect it. Only a survivor of the
Cetra, like me, can do it."
Aerith
"The secret is just up here."
Aerith
"At least it should be. ...I feel it. It feels like I'm being
led by something."
Aerith
"Then, I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over."
Further note that in Aerith's dialogue with Cloud in his dream, sheQuote:
Tifa
"I wonder what Aerith felt... when she was on that altar...?"
Cloud
"I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet..."
Tifa
"Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all."
"I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she
planned on coming back all along."
"She always used to talk about the 'Next time'."
"She talked about the future more that any of us..."
didn't know what she was going to find when she got to the City of the
Ancients. She only knew that something was awaiting her there and
that she could feel herself being led there. Based on Bugenhagen
learning of Holy when he got there from the knowledge floating around
in the City, it's logical to assume that Aerith did likewise:
Her sudden death was as much a surprise for her as it was for manyQuote:
Bugenhagen
"This is..."
Bugenhagen
"Yes...... exactly..."
Cloud
"Are you getting something?"
Bugenhagen
"...Give me a moment."
Bugenhagen
"The knowledge of the Ancients swirling around here is telling me
one thing."
Bugenhagen
"The planet's in a crisis..."
Bugenhagen
"A crisis beyond human power or endless time."
"It says, when the time comes, we must search for 'Holy'."
Cloud
"Holy?"
Bugenhagen
"Holy... the ultimate White Magic. Magic that might stand against
Meteor. Perhaps our last hope to save the planet from Meteor."
players of the game. Kitase intended this to be so.
The Lifestream was doing nothing on its own. Had Holy not shown up and held Meteor back, the Lifestream would have been too late even if it were taking action on its own. In any event, again, the implicationQuote:
"Whatever the case, nobody can deny that she didn't have to die because no sane person can say to himself that Holy was a requirement in the Planet's salvation."
offered is that the Lifestream was adding strength to Holy.
Even if one considers Holy pointless, Aerith still needed to be within
the Lifestream in order to cause it to act. For whatever reason, the
other Ancients that were part of it had done nothing.
Also noteworthy, the image that appears in Aerith's church likely isn't a
ghost at all, but just a glitch. Aside from the fact that it only
appears whil the screen is loading, there's the fact that it is
visible on Disc One when she is still alive.
-Lifestream Section-
The article mentions 12 Mako Reactors, but there were actually 13. There had been one on Fort Condor, as well:
Something else to note is that the way the Lifestream replinished itsQuote:
"It appears you have a problem with Shinra, too. After all, you
climbed up here."
"Why not listen to what I have to say for a moment?"
Cid
"All right, talk on!"
"Do you know what's at the top of this mountain?"
Barret
"Huh? Something's up there?"
Cid
"No matter how you look at it, that's a reactor. And on top of
it, is that the Condor?"
"I can see you're very perceptive. Yes, it's a reactor and a
condor."
"Looks like there's a special materia up in the Mako reactor."
"Then came the condor, so Shinra dispatched the troops to get rid of it."
"Their plan is to get rid of the condor and the people on this
mountain and to get the materia from the Mako Reactor."
lost energy was from the memories of those who died. Memories = Spirit
Energy/Pyreflies = Lifestream = Materia/Spheres in Final Fantasy. In
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, we're told that it is the
experiences (memories) of an individual's lifetime that add to the
Gaia/Lifestream and help it to grow:
Quote:
"All life is born of Gaia and each life has a spirit. Each new spirit
is housed in a physical body. ...Through their experiences on Earth
each spirit matures and grows. When the physical body dies the mature
spirit enriched by its life on Earth returns to Gaia bringing with it
the experiences, enabling Gaia to live and grow."
That should pretty much cover everything wrong with the article. Destai, as noted in the analyzation of it, the Sephiroth forms seen throughout the game were most likely JENOVA and then pieces of JENOVA, with only the last two seen before Meteor is called being astral projections. Note that neither of these two forms conduct physical interaction.
^!!!! You have been told!!
I read a long time ago on a website that had a theory that Sephiroth was dead and or was actually simply being controlled by the monster Jenova (sorta like in Final Fantasy 4). Jenova was using him as a manner to hurt the planet so that when it tried to heal it's self, it could absorb the energy and destroy everything. I tend to believe in this theory cause it makes sense to make and at the end of the game, the first Sephiroth form has things over it's head like puppet strings.
The Sephiroth in the crater IS the "real Sephiroth" in body. But Sephiroth's mind/spirit/whatever IS controlling the other Sephiroth you see, which is a clone. So it's not "actually Sephiroth" but it still is because he's controlling it.
But I believe that JENOVA is influencing, if not downright controlling everything Sephiroth does.
Personaly I like to think that Sephiroth is Projecting Himself outwords from the cave or is actuly there in the flesh. The cave being to most likely truth. I allso think that it is Sephiroth that is Controling Janova, i belive this becouse he controls all the Clones as well as Cloud. Somehow the Combanation used to creat Sephiroth made him more powerfull then the being(Janova) Whos Cells he was infushed with. THis would explane why He still has so much power even after you slay janova in the north cave. He seems to allso be able to creat janova clones as it were since you fight it meny times in the game and each time it's a new boss completly. I think i even remember seeing him drop a chunk of Janova when ever you fight one. So i belive Sephiroth is indeed to mastermind behind it all. In fact Janova might not have been one of the Cetra at all. Areis was Cetra Janova is some kind of.....being.
squallofseed's post make me feel shorter...do i look shorter? I feel shorter...
just messing around
Seph in the cave is THE seph, not the Seph that suddenly turns into black-watha-ma-call-it....
The basics are: Seph falls into the lifestream from the mako reactor in Nibelheim...he's bent mind on being a descendant of the ancient makes him life thru the lifestream and he gathers knowledge thru it....uses Shinra to retrieve Jenova, and with a lil' help (shinra/hojo) he's able to like....get those clones going (how did he do that?)
i lost my train of thought....well, sayen, just appreciate the depth of this plot along with the depth of the plot holes to allow for theories from internet sites, such is the beauty of FFVII
Keep in mind that the power to do that came from JENOVA and the capability itself is utilized through JENOVA's Cells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarkis
Prior to falling into the Lifestream with JENOVA's head, Sephiroth exhibited no powers of the nature seen later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarkis
(Advent Children Spoiler)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarkis
[spoilers]JENOVA isn't dead yet. It lives so long as it has Cells alive, or at least as long as its head does, apparently. Cells were still present in Sephiroth after that battle, and we know that seperated Cells can be controlled. You can probably see where I'm going with that.
Anyway, JENOVA's head is in Advent Children.[/spoilers]
I don't think that either was controlling the other, at least not until [spoilers]they merge at the end[/spoilers]. They both wanted the power of Gaia's Lifestream. I just believe it was JENOVA's idea and that Sephiroth was carrying out JENOVA's will without necessarily being directly controlled.
Here's more on that: Linkage.
Note: I'm trying to make my Posts shorter by just linking to this stuff instead of inserting it into my Posts. I figure all that stuff on my site has come up enough times that it will probably come up again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
I can see your Point here But Sephiroth was a Unstopable force befor Falling into the Life stream. I belive that fallening into it after learing of his creation may have awakened his powers. As for the whole deal with Janova it's true Janavo choce Sephiroth to "take back the planit" and he does say "they are stealing the planit from mother" So i agree that Janova is still playing a major rool but I still dont see her controling him. Mearly picking him as the Elit member Of the Janova infused "clones" after all Janova seems to be protecting Sephiroth every step of the way. Even to her ultamit destruction in the north cave unless of corse she comes back in advant children. i dident read the spoilers. It's my idea that Sephiroth kind of "acended" after falling into the life stream and becomeing Cunected to the knowlage of the planit. As you all know a simmilure thing happens to cloud after he falls in. He returns to the vegitable like state he was in befor he Assimilated Zake's memerys untill Tifa enters his mind and restors clouds true memerys. Some how these parts of the game ended p kind of hard to follow allouth it still doesent take away from the game. I'll need to have a look at your website when I have a moment or 2 im rather impresed with the information you have gatherd.
My brief and probably, judging from the length of Squall's response (which I don't have time to read tonight), useless contriubtion to this thread:
I always assumed the "Sephiroth" after which the party spends the first disc of the game chasing was in fact Jenova assuming a shape that would have more resonance to Cloud, since the first time he appears is after Jenova escapes from her prison. I've never been particularly clear on how she escapes, though, or if I ever was I've just forgotten. It's probably the latter actually. ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Man
I find that very few posts are pointless. This post was fine nothing at all wrong with expresing a thought or opionion (Dead god my spelling sucks) Personaly I dont think thats how it hapend however thats the nice thing about ff7 there are parts of the plot that are open to debate. ^^
We can be absolutely certain that -- at the very least, and regardless of who was acting through them -- pieces of JENOVA took on Sephiroth's form with JENOVA-LIFE and JENOVA-DEATH, as we see the former transform, and the latter replace the Sephiroth form in battle.
JENOVA-BIRTH had been a tentacle of JENOVA, so it stands to reason that these other parts were, as well.
That said, however, the Sephiroth form on the Shin-Ra cargo ship was likely JENOVA's body, dropping its tentacle. This form didn't recognize Cloud, whereas subsequent forms did.
THats a very good point and i have often wondered that if it were the real sephiroth why dident he know cloud. So yes perhaps it was janova on the cargo ship and then the Real sephiroth or an incarnation there of later on in the game.