today the ira agreed to de-militarise. to cease military and criminal functions and turn to political means. it's a huge step and could be seen as the end of the 36 year war.
so what are your thoughts on this, the war and the ira in general?
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today the ira agreed to de-militarise. to cease military and criminal functions and turn to political means. it's a huge step and could be seen as the end of the 36 year war.
so what are your thoughts on this, the war and the ira in general?
HURRAY! I hope it lasts and goes smoth like.
It's about time, but they couldn't really continue in this climate of devolution and the collapse of their american support.
at least someone sees sense and thinks everyone should join up and defeat terrorism first and then all live happy happy
i hope someone else will learn about the power of diplomatic ways...
The IRA weren't terrorists. They were freedom fighters. If they are terrorists then the Marque during WWII were terrorists, the Americans who fought for independance were terrorists too. You need to watch who you label as terrorists as history itself is calling you a hypocrite. For a long long time they were the only army fighting for us Catholics here. Protecting us. Their motives were always pure but admitedly not always the right way to do things.
As for the end of military actions, it would have came years ago had not the Unionists continually demanding surrender. We were never going to surrender, we were undefeated.
The IRA seem to be the ones making all the right moves while the Unionists don't budge an inch & the Loylists keep killing us, eachother, burning catholics homes, attacking Catholic churches. The resolve the leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann have shown to, despite all of this, still make this statement, is unparallelled in history.
It's now in the Unionists & Loyalists Court. The only Loyalist Group we have any form of respect for is the UVF the rest are drug dealing unruly pricks. I believe if they don't move an inch, even after this we could stare down a civil war. We have bared our souls here & if there is no return we will give our souls.
They attacked civilians.
They didn't have the majority support.
They used tactics of fear
The IRA are/were massively involved with the drug trade
They were terrorists.
don't even try to draw childish parrallels between the americans and "marquis"
Maybe I dont know enough about the subject but I wouldnt have thought there was much difference. I've heard both words used for the same thing more than once. Was the IRA responsible for the Omagh bombing? In which a young mother and two unborn twins died along with others? If that was the IRA then Id definitely consider them terrorists.Quote:
The IRA weren't terrorists. They were freedom fighters.
Edit: I checked. 29 died.
actually omagh was commited by the real ira. they werea splinter group who refused to sign the good friday agreement with the rest of the ira. the continuity ira are also in the same boat with them.
one has to remember that the war wasn't all one sided. the unionist had some quite nasty habits and the army did some nasty things as well half the time.
and while we are drawing paralels to american.s america and noraid actually happily funded the ira. so meh.
and do we class mandella as a terrorist?
yes killing civillians is bad at the best of times but....... you cannot scapegoat them when they were only half of the problem.
Not once did the PIRA target civilians. There were premature bombs & misguided information. The IRA targeted military, police & commerce. You need to get your facts right before you look an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by gokufusionss1
Every army uses tactics of fear, what planet are you on?
After Bloody Sunday they had the popular support of the majority of Catholics. Sinn Fein are the second biggest party here. I think my case can be rested.
The IRA ARE NOT and never HAVE been involved in drugs. The Loyalists are heavily involved but IRA are not. Now, they have been known to dip into contraband (tobacco & alcohol) but stayed away from drugs. They shot drug dealers. Again, get your facts right.
These 'childish parallels' you claim are indeed parallels a 6 year old can grasp yet escape your clouded, blinkered logic. I've seen your type before, I've witnessed your type get your half-truths, mix them & end up with a gun ready to kill any Catholic. Don't sit there with your selfrighteous attitude & claim the higher ground, you dopn't deserve it. You don't live here. I have seen a Protestant friend of mine get shot dead infront of my eyes because the Loyalists 'presumed' he was Catholic. This situation was deeper than right and wrong and you haven't even seen enough of the iceberg to validate a judgement on this.
No civilian was deliberately killed by the IRA. I can name hundreds deliberately killed by people on your side of the fence.
The PIRA did not target civilians. The PIRA are the largest IRA unit, the CIRA and RIRA are small time operations compared to the PIRA.Quote:
Originally Posted by gokufusionss1
The PIRA targetted economic and military targets, and where famous for it. They gave warnings on thier bombs, that is no terrorist, that is a freedom fighter, my freedom fighter. They where never involved in drug trades. Punishment beats are mainly carried out by the CIRA (I should know, they control my area), because the police did not do thier job. The loyalist forces however are heabily in the drug trade and have been tracked down by mi5 for it, including the majority of thier members also members of the National front and other such groups.
The British army war crimes are lists long. The most famous is probably bloody sunday. Loyalists forces busting into catholic or republican homes and shooting dead families in thier sleep is terrorism. Not to mention the police and British army have been linked to helping Loyalists (michael stone for one).
Cuchulainn basically posted everything I was going to say. I've lived here all my life, I've had British army soldiers walk my streets and raid houses when I was a kid, I can bet not a lot of people here who say the IRA are terrorists have seen that.
I'm quite sure young children, women and innocent men do not stand in anyone's path to freedom - so killing them to achieve said 'freedom' (or various other selfish goals) has a name - terrorism. Had they targeted only military targets, then they would've been legitimate, a guerilla force fighting the occupying British army. But that's not all they did, is it?Quote:
The IRA weren't terrorists. They were freedom fighters.
Aye right. If any side is a terrorist in that case it was the British army with thier Shoot to kill policy, it was the Loyalists paramilitarys that would bust into republican and/or catholic (not every republican is catholic) homes and shoot everyone in thier sleep, something the PIRA did not do. The PIRA where very ruthless against military and SAS targets, which earned them a bad name automatically by the BBC, which only told half arsed stories to the British people (in which I do have some examples)
So yes, Freedom fighters, for a united Ireland, not terrorisom.
The loyalist paramilitarys were terrorists
So where the IRA, all factions and sub sections.
If you say so. Live and grow up here and you would say different.