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let's set up a scenario. in country x 100% of the population is christain. and beyond that they are all god fearing christians who are terrified of the thought of hell and are so scared that from an early age it is hammered in so hard not to sin they are very rarely tempted.
in country x there is no police or courts or laws or prisons. there is only the 10 commandments, the bible and people's own fear of breaking them that keeps the law intact.
is that a good thing?
No. It is an invasion of force. Even if the current generation is completely and totally for the idea, the moment a freak (i.e. a rational person) is born and dislikes it, it becomes involuntary and criminal.
It's never good when 100% of any population believe in something stupid.
Religion is good if taken with intelligence, if not taken just as a set of rules to follow under the threatening of some nightmarish fairy tale. This which you are describing is far away from intelligence.
Ouch, that is immediatley harsh niko, and Hachi. The use of the word freak being explained as rational, is ineed a little overboard. I would like the idea, if we were inside that little box; but we are not, and never will be on this world. With that I would agree with the concensus, that it just would not work.
What we are relying on here is Family Justice, policing, and other essential needs for a community. Like Hachi said, the moment a defiant child was born, how exactly could they punish him? All the other families would have to rely on the one unit rearing totally obidiant kids.
What would control the forign policies of this community? The community would have to work with the rest of the world as well. It would prolly be prone to so much ridicule that would eventually lead to violant attacks, etc. If there ever is such a community, I would be very suprised.
Bipper
it was just an idea on the role of fear when it came to crime and punishment. and an all seeing god capable of sending you to the fiery belly of hell seems like something that would keep people being happy and sin free.
the child thing brings up an intersting point. are disobediant children born? or raised?
If the country is run exactly like C#9 described, then I think it would be an ideal peaceful utopia. If all the people in said country agreed on the same principles, and they devoutly followed the Ten Commandments (i.e., Thou shalt not kill), then I don't see how it would be a bad thing.
Although, as in any utopia, individuality would be suppressed. So, no, it wouldn't work for human beings. Maybe for an anthill, though.
I don't mean to imply that it is religion that is stupid. It is the way that they believe, not that they believe, that strikes me as stupid.Quote:
Ouch, that is immediatley harsh niko, and Hachi.
Can't argue that.Quote:
No. It is an invasion of force. Even if the current generation is completely and totally for the idea, the moment a freak (i.e. a rational person) is born and dislikes it, it becomes involuntary and criminal.
Which is why theese kinds of things tend to crash and burn. It could work with small groups, though.Quote:
If the country is run exactly like C#9 described, then I think it would be an ideal peaceful utopia. If all the people in said country agreed on the same principles, and they devoutly followed the Ten Commandments (i.e., Thou shalt not kill), then I don't see how it would be a bad thing.
Although, as in any utopia, individuality would be suppressed. So, no, it wouldn't work for human beings. Maybe for an anthill, though.
If people were predictable enough to form the aforementioned society, I don't quite think I could stand living.
It's Totalitarianship, the goverment control's the people with religion and fear. But here's a question what would happen if someone broke some of the rules? Would he be killed? Would he be forgiven? Would everyone who broke a rule be hanged or burned? So no its not good it's a form of Fascism.
What you're describing isn't a dictatorship, though - it's a dreaded utopia, where people are enslaved to their own beliefs.
I think people should agree on certain basic rules and live by them... but also welcome those who choose not to live by these rules. When breaking these rules harms society (i.e, murder, theft, etc), society has a right to act against those threats.
ffguevera. well if someone broke on of the 10 commandments then the society does not act on it. if everyone had been indoctrinated to the required level then the sinner would be fearing god and on his hands and knees praying forgiveness. the idea is that they are so fearful of hell and god that they do not sin and if they do they beg for forgiveness.
there would be no court or system of punishment. it would be left between the sinner and god.
Utopia is identified with the ideal world. In the ideal world, individuality is not supressed. Well, at least not in my idea of utopia.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocFrance
now is being bound by indoctrination an invasion on individuality? they would not be forced to be christain. they would be brought up christain. and from then on bound by their own beliefs. is that slavery of the mind or just religion?