Whats a good 30+ job for a theif?
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Whats a good 30+ job for a theif?
I don't exactly understand your question, are you asking what a good subjob for a 30+ thf is?
no what a good advanced job (ex. dragoon ninga paladin) is for a theif?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
Well, thief isn't really a great subjob until 60, or possibly 30.
Samurai is dependant on /thf alot 60+ with tachi: yukikaze, and especially Tachi: gekko at 65, however, its advisable to have war up until 60, because double attack is priceless for tp gaining, and so is berserk for that extra WS damage.
Bluemage is good with /thf as well, however, that job may be harder if thief is your first job
Dark Knight is another, same reason as Samurai, WS + SATA(sneak attack + trick attack) at 60+ to put the hate(usually 700-1500@65) on the tank, instead of yourself.
In all honesty, first job being thief may be rough, there isn't really any job combinations that simply sub thf from level 1, you wouldn't benefit much up until atleast 30 for sneak attack. I suggest leveling war to a decent level, maybe 30, and then starting an advanced melee job, that way you have your subjobs partially leveled, which is good.
hmmmm i really want to be theif would theif/beastmaster be good?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
No, it wouldn't. Thf/nin is, though.
ok kool i was thinking of doing nin is theif the best starter for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
(sorry for all the Q's:cry: )
You will need warrior to level nin, ninja is a tank, and an expensive one at that. You will also need utsesumi, which, depending on your server, can cost between 100k-600k, or you can quest for it, which at your level is possible.
Is it absolutely needed? Yes, its needed to tank, and its used for thief, utsesumi is needed, it saves you 3 hits, which is good for pulling.
Ninja/thf won't work, really, the only other option is nin/rng, which, is probably the most expensive job in the game because you need to constantly throw items, items that cost quite alot, we're talking 100,000-300,000 20+ per PARTY.
I really, really suggest leveling war, its a good job to have leveled for lots of jobs, especially thief and ninja.
okely dokelys thanks for all the help:D :D :D :D :D (im gonna do war/nin)im glad its war caus i play wow and ive never been a tank shweeeeeetQuote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
Nono, war/nin isn't a tank, NIN/WAR is. War/nin can tank up to 37, but only backup, not full. War/nin is a DD(damage dealer) especially at 55 with rampage(an axe weapon skill).
oooooh ok i like dd's too sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by Khaotic
but just to clear this up (im new sorry) war/nin is mainly war? and nin/war is mainly nin? caus i want to be mainly nin.
Also what are the character names like are they serious, stupid,funny just wondering?
Also which is right NIN/BRD or BRD/NIN?:confused:
or which would be better?
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But really now, THF has mostly two great subjobs:
WAR and NIN. And WAR imo does more damage than whatever NIN subjob can offer to THF and should be subbed preferably over NIN unless the monster runs faster than you when pulling. Berserk/Double ATK is alot more desirable over JUST Utsusemi for the most part for THF.
WAR/NIN BEFORE 50 is situational. You dont get Dual Wield II haste so therefore if you swing twice and miss one time, you will gain less TP than if you swung twice holding one axe, and missing one of those two swings because your Dual Wield is recaculating your delay and you get less TP.
So the only REAL uses for WAR/NIN is dual tanking with another WAR/NIN or with NIN/WAR. Otherwise WAR/MNK is alot better for tanking, and WAR/THF for damage dealing with Great Axe and/or Shield Break(-40 Eva) / Sturmwind. Only time WAR/NIN is a better DD is when you can have many bonuses for your offhand axe...but even then its debatable with shield break / armor break(-25% def).
WAR/NIN CAN tank...but only with Carnage Elegy and on certain mobs before Utsusemi Ni. Basically as a WAR, you need multiple subjobs leveled up, and that would be NIN, THF, MNK. There is no one end all be all subjob.
Fyi your main job is what determines your job, not your sub, the sub only reinforces your mainjob's role. and NIN/BRD is pretty horrible imo..i dont see a point yet. BRD/NIN only at higher lvl merit pts. Otherwise i dont see it being useful.
okQuote:
Originally Posted by Lionx
Lionx is right in that the ninja subjob should be situational. He's right that there are better subs than ninja at different level ranges. However, none of that matters in this day and age. Everyone and their pet cat is subbing ninja. Sub it if it works. Sub it if it sucks. It doesn't matter. Sub ninja at level 1 when you get no benefits at all. Everybody's doing it. Ninja is the thought free catch-all subjob for an ever growing range of jobs. By the time you hit 30, I'm sure whms and smns will be subbing ninja too. It's just THAT trendy. Why sub ninja? You don't need a reason to sub ninja. Sub it untill SE wipes it off the face of Vanadiel (we can hope).
Nike: Just do it.
Ninja: Just sub it.
Don't give him false info -_-
Don't sub ninja on a job that doesn't need it, especially at level 1, ninja is only useful for their shadows(though people think its dual-wield) its actually their shadows that make them useful, though, dual wield isn't bad, especially 50+(subjob). When you get to 74 however, then subbing ninja is viable for any job, because you get utsesumi: ni and ichi, which allows you to tank pretty much as good as a normal ninja, though you won't evade quite as much.
NIN/BRD = no
BRD/NIN = situational, at about 55-75 you'll be "pulling" , you will need to be able to take hits, and that is where shadows will come in handy. If you're asked to pull in say level 40, then subbing it may be viable, depending on how many healers you currently have in your party.