Japan vs. English

I dont know if this is true on some of the other servers but on Carby there has been a issue...Jap players do not want anythig to do with "American" players so they disregard all English speaking players.

It has even come to the point where it has been sugested to make an all Jap server and all English server.

To give an example of this: Me Party Ldr in Quifim: We need to find two people to finish off the pt.. I use the auto translator to ask a Jap speaking only player if he/she wanted to join us..In the search box they said nothing about a jap only pt so I figured they would take me up on the offer....well no response ever came...Little bit later I found a bilaungual person who again asked this Jap only player...they responded found out it had English people in the pt got mad and left..wtf?

So anyother comments on this issue and what do you think the problem is?

Yes that does happen, i get a party invite they are JP speaking only ... so to be nice i tell them i can speak alittle but i can't understand the characters, so please auto translate when speaking to me.

I get a tell back sayin' I'm sorry and they invite someone else.

I have also had that happen to me they won't join because american people in party.

I have heard from a bilingual person that JP players don't like american players because they have horrible game etiquette (meaning they force Disconnection instead of finding a rep or even sayin' they are leaving soon or they just plain (on the whole as i understand it) suck and drag the party down.

I know its rude to do that, i don't think like that, but i understand the reasoning. Again, I don't like it ... ITS JUST A GAME !!!!!!!

But lately i have had some really nice JP players invite me and accept my invite so i don't think its as bad on Garuda as it is on Carby.

Honestly, I don't like playing with American players either. American players are often more rude and disorganized. They set up very short PTs, are badly equipped, don't take advice or instruction well, and leave abruptly.

I often play late at night specifically to play with JPs. If you understand and respect their culture it can work to your advantage. They are very loyal players. They will go out of their way to help out people in their PT even if it hurts XP/hr. Once as a noob I died in SSG in a JP PT (on my WHM). One of the members went to Norg, changed to DRK/WHM to tractor and raise me before going back and changing again to resume XP.

In a NA PT recently someone got a link in CN. Two people threw up a Warp Scroll and just ditched us immediately and dropped PT. I have never experienced such behavior from JP players. They seem to respect the time and effort of the real people playing this game.

Lately I've been playing almost static with a JP COR. He knows I'm well equipped and play THF well so he asks me to XP with him before my flag is even up.

In lower areas there is even more reason to not accept NA invites. NA PTs in low areas like Qufim are god awful. Underleveled subs, bad players, bad attitudes.




Now there are JPs that are just racists the same way some NAs are just racist. I'm not gonna say all JPs are great players or incredibly nice, but they tend to have more skilled and well mannered players than NAs do. You may say it's just a game, but when you play poorly or drop a PT abruptly you are wasting the time of real life people.

Some Japanese players want to play with English players, some don't. It's either because NA players are pretty stupid, or that they don't like the language barrier (the auto-translate function pretty much sucks).

It's been like this for a very long time.

I didn't mean 'its just a game' when people who bail on the party without warning or crappy players or bad attitudes and so on to say its ok to do because it pisses me off and i think its no good and i don't wanna deal with that either.

But to automatically just say hey i won't lvl with you because it could happen is no good either !

Many of my best parties have been with Japanese players. I'd go as far as saying a significant majority of them were. I don't often run into JP players who are uninterested in partying with NA players. I've gotten invites to parties that were all JP except for me. My search comment always says "JP/EN OK {I don't speak any Japanese}" so they know what they're getting into. It works out well, as I don't require much instruction from them in most situations. The most I usually have to ask is "{sub} {White Mage} {Black Mage} {Which?}" and the rest is good to go.

I still think it's weird how so few Japanese players seem to know English. I'm not English myself, and I know a ton of others who aren't but still speak (or atleast write) it fluently. I'm not expecting fluent english from most Japanese players, but enough to make themselves understood really isn't too much to ask for, I think.
I don't think I've had a lot of Japanese players that has rejected a party invite because I don't speak Japanese. Not if they've got their flag up. And I agree that the overall quality of a party usually is better with more japanese players. Maybe they're just more dedicated/played for a longer time, I don't think it has got a lot to do with intelligence.

I've partied with plenty of JP players. Some of them were AWESOME. And some of them sucked. Yeah, a lot of times JP players who know what they're doing make exping go by a lot quicker, but I really don't like generalizations. Some people treat JP players like they're god, when plenty of them are inept and frustrating to party with.

That being said, I don't blame anyone, NA, JP, or anyone else for wanting to party with people they communicate with. That doesn't make someone racist. Now if JP people went around saying that they don't want to party with NA players because they think NA players are worthless human beings. Well, yeah, that's pretty racist. But I've never run across any JP player like that. I think a lot of it has to do with being able to communicate easily in a party situation.

And even though I completely understand having a preference toward one group or another, I think it's silly to completely rule out one portion of the playing population simply because they're not from the same nation or speak the same language as you. You gotta at least give people a chance.

I don't see how it is weird for Japanese people to not know English. It's not weird when Americans don't know Japanese.

Most of the time I like to party with players who speak English. They could be Japanese or American, that part doesn't matter. The party and the game is just a lot more fun when you can communicate and chat with the people you are playing with. Of course, I'd rather play with some competent harcore Japanese players than some immature American players, of which there are a few, especially at lower levels.

Once or twice I've asked Japanese players if they wanted to party to get no response. That sort of bugs me. At least say 'No thanks' or something. Can't say I've had a problem getting invites from Japanese players. My job (PLD) has a pretty high demand so I guess that helps. I've been in an all-Japanese party before and other than the fact that we didn't talk to each other it worked out well.

I like the ones that balance between both n_n

that way they could backstab me and I wouldnt have to care :3

edit: and then I can reply in that same certain language, silence them, continue partying, lovely ^-^

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

I don't see how it is weird for Japanese people to not know English. It's not weird when Americans don't know Japanese.

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The Japanese language isn't considered as international as the English language. Few countries outside of Japan teach Japanese in school. This is not the case with English.

Actually most JPs I play with do know just enough English to get by. I still don't think we should put a higher expectation on them to know a language foreign to them however.

Learning some basic japanese isn't that hard either. Once you get past learning hiragana and katakana you'll find that JP language structure is much easier than that of English. The only really difficult part is learning Kanji and adjusting to slang.


The language barrier can be a huge nuissance for many reasons. NAs use the translator poorly. People say stupid things like {May}{bee} and the like. {Pull back!} is another thing to not use, though JPs have adapted and learned some of our horrible misuse of the translator. An example is {sub} which actually refers to your shield slot, not your subjob.

Also, with more inexperienced players it can be beyond the terms available in the translator to explain compliated PT issues like how to line up for SATA. When the option is available I can totally understand why a JP player would choose a JP PT. I'd say it's the same on the flip side. Many NAs would prefer to stick with NA PTs when it's an option rather than being the one odd-man-out in a JP PT.

I agree in saying not to put high expectations on people from other countries to speak english. That's just kind of rude in my opinion.
I grew up in Osaka, my first language is English but am fluent in Japanese as well... so I guess that's kind of fun, and makes me more interested in the game. I have yet to buy it- still figuring out how to upgrade my computer, if at all.
So when I do get the game, just out of curiousity, so I don't label myself a dork, do the japanese players typically roleplay or act like normal human beings?
So... In my schools in Osaka, while they were fairly good schools, the english teaching sucked. It became a habit to put my head down and try to ignore the teacher, otherwise I'd have to correct them, and that got old. I've noticed people who have gone to certain colleges have their english improved dramatically, but most just a) don't like english b)It's difficult so they don't like to use it when they don't have to, or c) care.
I'm just basing that on my own personal friends mind you... there are the rare few that like English, but most of my friends tell me to shut up when I try to get them to practice.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

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Originally Posted by Del Murder

I don't see how it is weird for Japanese people to not know English. It's not weird when Americans don't know Japanese.

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The Japanese language isn't considered as international as the English language. Few countries outside of Japan teach Japanese in school. This is not the case with English.

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French is taught in schools all around the world. And in practically every high school in America. Do Americans know how to speak French? Even conversationally? I sure don't, and I 've taken French classes before. It's totally unrealistic to think that Japanese people *should* know how to speak/write English just because English is an international language. French is just as international, and so is Chinese and Spanish. I do think it's asking a bit too much for JP players to learn english enough to communicate with us because obviously, there are plenty of NA players who don't extend that kind of effort and courtesy to the JP players.

I disagree, I don't think of Spanish, French and Chinese as nearly as international as English.
Furthermore, I never said I expected them to know English, it is in fact more the opposite. When I see a JP player, I assume he doesn't speak English.
The thing is, I see plenty of French, Italians, Swedes, Germans, Spaniols, Portugese, Polish, Greek, even Brazilian people online, and they all have had understandable English. While I do understand that English is a harder language for Japanese people (due to not being in the same language family), it is far from impossible to learn it, and they do actually learn English at school. I think it's strange that so few of those I've met ingame know English, I don't expect them to know the language.

To me it also seems as if some people in this thread assume all English speakers are North American too :(.