Do you think Bush deserves to be re-elected?

First - I don't believe that Bush lied about anything. There's a huge difference between willfully deceiving and making a poor judgement call. Please give me solid evidence that Bush willfully deceived the people by saying he thought there were WMDs in Iraq or that he thought there was a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

Second - you don't seem to understand how highly I place the value of integrity. Clinton sold his integrity for a popularity survey. If a president willfully deceives the people, how is anybody supposed to believe him about anything?

To me, this is just typical political crap - trying to gloss over the faults of one administration while pointing the finger towards the other. I'll admit I'm guilty of it as well. But I strongly believe in the importance of integrity - I believe that nothing is worth my honor.

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Originally Posted by DocFrance

I don't speak for everyone else out there, but I can tell you this. I don't care at all what Clinton did in his private life. He could have nailed fifty interns and donkey (he is a Democrat :p ), and then wrapped a cigarette for a smoke afterwards using a miniature American flag, and I still wouldn't care. What I do care about is that he lied about it. When he said, before a grand jury, that he "did not have sexual relations with that woman," he lied to us - the American people. If the President is willing to lie about something so minor - something that wouldn't have had any legal repercussions. Military service is based heavily on trust and honor. I wasn't in the military during Clinton's term, but if I was, I wouldn't be able to trust such a commander-and-chief if he told me to go off to war and die.

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A politician lied? Stop the presses. :smash:

In an interview/press conference/whatever Bush was asked what books he was currently reading and he named them. He was then asked what the books were about and he couldn't answer that question. When asked what was his favourite book as a child he named a book that wasn't published until he was in his twenties. That's lying about pretty minor things too I'd say.

I'd rather Bush didn't win, I live in Australia so it won't affect me directly but I don't really trust a man who doesn't know his right hand from his left to have his finger on the big red button.

First - I don't believe that Bush lied about anything. There's a huge difference between willfully deceiving and making a poor judgement call. Please give me solid evidence that Bush willfully deceived the people by saying he thought there were WMDs in Iraq or that he thought there was a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

I would consider it to be lying when bush says "there is no connection" and then the next day cheney says "there is a connection btwn alqueda and saddam hussein"

Well, I can't say that everything Bush did was bad. (I can, but I'm sure that most people will quickly point out that nearly killing himself eating prezels was a good thing.)

Now, I realize that he has lost millions and millions of jobs.

I understand that we went from a budget that was actually causing the national debt to shrink to a ...well.. I guess you can call it a budget, but it added billions to the national debt.

I can see how the United States has invaded 2 countries, and has publically declaired 2 others to be part of the "Axis of Evil" *including one that "may or may not" (read, does) possess nuclear weapons, which is conveniently placed right freaking next to an ally of the US that has American troops on the DMZ boarder.

I understand Bush says stupid comments, like the "We are goin on a Crusade" idea he publically came up with (whoops)

I see how his vice president happens to be a former member of an oil company that magically made hundreds of millions in Iraq after the war. And isn't a member of his cabinet a former Enron chairperson? And I do like how his Attorney General lost the Senate race in Missouri. To a dead man. The choice was, Ashcroft or Carnahan (dead). The dead man won.

I'm not even going to mention how we went from being the friend to most countries in the world, and all around fairly well liked, to the idiots who everyone now hates.

I will complain about one thing. His stupid freaking white cowboy hat. Who the hell came up with that? You're a grown man, my god. (oh yeah, forgot about the religious problems he created)

But there is good news. Oh yes, my Conservative friends, there is good news. When Bush is out of office, in 1 or 5 years (if he does win, i do see there being a drastic increase in the number of suicides in America), Eventually, everyone will look back and say things like "Well, he couldn't have been THAT bad..." (They will be wrong, but they might say it)


So in answer to the topic of the thread... No, he does not desearve to be re-elected. :choc:

bush inherits the biggest surplus in U.S. history and turns it into the biggest deficet in U.S. history.

Yup, not ever president has been so talented at flushing money down into the sewers (populated by the richest .01% of the world)

Has anyone mentioned he was never "Elected" in the common use of the word to begin with. He was appointed when the supreme court MASSIVELY over stepped their power, resulting in the greatest democracy failure in history.

Clinton lied about having a girlfriend, and the Republicans tried to kick him out of office.

(Before i say this i must say i did support the war on Afganistan because Al Qaida ruled there and they were responsible for 9/11.)

The CIA notified Bush that Iraq ties with Al qaida were "not likely" or as i like to put it "Bull$h*+" and he still went up there and claimed to the American people that they existed. Saddam had no WmDs, there was no yellow cake purchases, and the war wasnt for freeing the Iraqi people. So thats garbage also.

What has Bush told the truth about??? Everything he says is trying to justify his war, that only hurt our country.

He claims we r safer today because of his war, but the report that was REVISED BECAUSE OF 8 PAGES of INACCURACIES!!! Says that this year has had the most terrorist activity EVER. So i dont think we r any safer... Do you? (Uhh... guess he lied again.)

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Originally Posted by CloudSquallandZidane

Has anyone mentioned he was never "Elected" in the common use of the word to begin with. He was appointed when the supreme court MASSIVELY over stepped their power, resulting in the greatest democracy failure in history.

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oh yeah i forgot about that one. thats reason enough to not be re elected. think about it... if you were never elected in the first place, why should you be able to run for re-election?

I give up. Trying to show you people a different point of view is like herding cats.

You realize this just now?

The same could be said for your side of the argument.

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Originally Posted by DocFrance

I give up. Trying to show you people a different point of view is like herding cats.

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no way man dont give up. never quite, and never stop herding cats either!

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Originally Posted by DocFrance

I give up. Trying to show you people a different point of view is like herding cats.

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That's because cats are intelligent, and don't like herding.

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Let's take this further.

Cats are liberal because they use the powers that are larger than them, ie. humans = government. They also bring offerings to be shared to the Entity, ie. mouses on doorsteps = taxes.

Dogs are conservatives, who believe that the Entity is superior to itself - but then again, it knows it's superior to all other dogs because it is THIS Entity's dog. The dog never brings offerings to the Entity, except if its trained to do so. Most of them time the dog acts as a guard against all new things that it doesn't like - but it might let a nice burglar with a t-bone in. They keep everyone awake with their barking, and they hate cats.

Rats are libertarian. They scuttle around under the surface, you never know how many there actually are, and they hate the Entity - but they would love it if the Entity dies and leaves them alone, with food and shelter. Of course, most of them would die if this would ever happen, after a while.

And pigs are, of course, communist.

:D

Okay, maybe not.

"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others." --George Orwell, Animal Farm

Cats are also liberal because the meow and whine until you give them what they want - but they won't tell you exactly what they want. They'll also claw your eyes out if you rub them the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by DocFrance

"All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others." --George Orwell, Animal Farm

Cats are also liberal because the meow and whine until you give them what they want - but they won't tell you exactly what they want. They'll also claw your eyes out if you rub them the wrong way.

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While the rabid dog gives you nice disease.