Which of these theories fit better the storyline?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Don´t get surprised if they call you stupid or say that you need to go to a therapist.
They think only their theories were right and other persons were more stupid than them.
What a bunch of arrogants.They never make a theory prooved.

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1. I never said you were stupid.
2. I never made any theories because I believe the game wasn't meant to be as complicated as you make it.
3. We're arrogants because we never proved a theory?? FTW??? You're the arrogant one, just listen to yourself. You think all your theories are the truth! You don't even express them as opinions but as facts. Like when you said Julia was murdered. You ignore evidence we've shown, you choose to believe the game characters are liars and you twist every plothole to your liking. Yes, Future, we are the arrogant ones. :rolleyes2

And what's up with telling me not to offend you when you just offended everyone on the forum?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

And yes,LRS is based on assumptions because there is no dialogue on the game saying Laguna and Raine were Squall´s fathers.

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Even if they did, you would say they are lying. And you're missing the whole point. There is overwhelming evidence for that theory as opposed to yours which has almost none + there is no logical reason for it to be true. And btw, you didn't answer any arguements I presented in my last post.

The evidence for LRS are stated above (and many times before). You better not ignore it this time since you asked for the evidence yourself and be sure to argue every point if you think it's not true.

And for f#ck sakes, read post #134. Just because its not at the bottom, doesn't mean you don't read it.

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He says that to Squall in particular, not the whole team

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This didn´t change nothing of what I had been saying.

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Plus Squall even does look like Raine and even has a bit of her bad mood.

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And the picture looks like Julia but there must be many persons in the world which would red dress and play piano,isn´t it?But Squall had to be Raine´s sun just because he looks like her?There were also many persons on FF8 that had Squall´s mood other than Raine.
If we found two persons with the same mood does this mean they were mother and sun?
This would be as stupid as to say that all bad mood persons belongs to the same family line(direct line).
So you can´t apply this logic to my theories without you apply to yours.
That´s not fair.

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What would Ellone tell Laguna concerning Squall in particular, Ellone being the one who knows the child and more than anyone else, the mysteries surroung it

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She would tell they were the ones on Laguna´s Kyro´s and Ward´s mind.
That was what he told us she telled him.

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The last piece, Ellone was popular enough at the orphanage but the only child who the game made her out to be close to was Squall who looked to her as a sister more than anyone else at the orphanage. Considering the game never suggested she was overly close to any other child and she knew who her much loved step parents child was then yeah its pretty blatant Squall is the child.

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That was an orphanage,for God´s sake.They were all at the care of Matron.
The kid don´t need Ellone anymore.That kid could be Irvine,Zell or Seifer(since we know it´s a boy).
And for Seifer I am sure she would be reliefed to finally take him to the orphanage.He is a problematic child,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah.Ah. :D

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

And for f#ck sakes, read post #134. Just because its not at the bottom, doesn't mean you don't read it.

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

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And for f#ck sakes, read post #134. Just because its not at the bottom, doesn't mean you don't read it.

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Let's just all keep posting this.

I had answered your questions Sparkie.

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Then what does Kiros mean when he says "Good thing you don't look like your father. You look more like your mother." Obviously to joke about that, they would have to know them well, and of course he knoew Laguna very well.

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Laguna is a journalist and Kyros and Ward are with him on his adventures.How many persons would they met?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I had answered your questions Sparkie.

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Then what does Kiros mean when he says "Good thing you don't look like your father. You look more like your mother." Obviously to joke about that, they would have to know them well, and of course he knoew Laguna very well.

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Laguna is a journalist and Kyros and Ward are with him on his adventures.How many persons would they met?

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So you're saying that Squall's father is some arbitrary dude that no one knows, that even though there are blatant hints that point towards Laguna?

Plus, Raine's last name is Leonhart, and didn't Raine and Laguna have feelings for each other? Plus everything else I stated?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I had answered your questions Sparkie.

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NO you f***ing didn't! Go read post 128 and 134 carefully. Then devote a whole hour to answer them. Each. Then reread them. Twice. Then post.

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Then what does Kiros mean when he says "Good thing you don't look like your father. You look more like your mother." Obviously to joke about that, they would have to know them well, and of course he knoew Laguna very well.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Laguna is a journalist and Kyros and Ward are with him on his adventures.How many persons would they met?

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Yeah we know all the random things that could happen in the characters' lives. But what the f*** would the point of that be???


Sorry peeps, I'm getting ticked...

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Originally Posted by sparkie

Sorry peeps, I'm getting ticked...

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Heh, we all are.

I think I'm gonna go home after work, FORGET all the crap FE says, and play FFVIII for a bit before I go out. And follow the storyline, as indicated by Square.

Ahhh.....no retarded theories :p

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

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Originally Posted by sparkie

Sorry peeps, I'm getting ticked...

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Heh, we all are.

I think I'm gonna go home after work, FORGET all the crap FE says, and play FFVIII for a bit before I go out. And follow the storyline, as indicated by Square.

Ahhh.....no retarded theories :p

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It's crazy how simple life can be, eh? :D

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He says that to Squall in particular, not the whole team

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This didn´t change nothing of what I had been saying.

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Yeah it does, It suggests it was a personal affair that didnt involve the mission.

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Plus Squall even does look like Raine and even has a bit of her bad mood.

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And the picture looks like Julia but there must be many persons in the world which would red dress and play piano,isn´t it?But Squall had to be Raine´s sun just because he looks like her?There were also many persons on FF8 that had Squall´s mood other than Raine.
If we found two persons with the same mood does this mean they were mother and sun?
This would be as stupid as to say that all bad mood persons belongs to the same family line(direct line).
So you can´t apply this logic to my theories without you apply to yours.
That´s not fair.

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You constantly miss the point. It suggests it and adds to the large stack of evidence while if I formulated a theory on them being mother and son just because they look and act similar Id be as stupid as you.

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What would Ellone tell Laguna concerning Squall in particular, Ellone being the one who knows the child and more than anyone else, the mysteries surroung it

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She would tell they were the ones on Laguna´s Kyro´s and Ward´s mind.
That was what he told us she telled him.

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I dont understand what you're saying.

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The last piece, Ellone was popular enough at the orphanage but the only child who the game made her out to be close to was Squall who looked to her as a sister more than anyone else at the orphanage. Considering the game never suggested she was overly close to any other child and she knew who her much loved step parents child was then yeah its pretty blatant Squall is the child.

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That was an orphanage,for God´s sake.They were all at the care of Matron.
The kid don´t need Ellone anymore.That kid could be Irvine,Zell or Seifer(since we know it´s a boy).
And for Seifer I am sure she would be reliefed to finally take him to the orphanage.He is a problematic child,Ah,Ah,Ah,Ah.Ah. :D

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What? Nope dont understand what you're point is here either. And lets keep in mind you havent found an argument for the Moomba identifying Squall as Lagunas son so its still proven that Laguna and Squall are father and son.

Geez...I'm finally starting to understand all of these Future Esthar jokes.


GET IT THROUGH YOUR PEA-BRAINED HEAD! Raine's grave said Raine Leonheart. Squall's last name is Leonheart. Therefore, Squall is Raine's son. AND unless Raine was cheating on Laguna. Also the moomba identifies Squall as Laguna probably cos they look alike. It couldn't have know he was inside Laguna's head could he?
Even more proof:

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Here: Laguna and Raine are married at some point (it shows laguna's memory of this at the ending) 17 years ago laguna goes off to esthar while raine dies giving birth to their son (note that squall is 17) laguna stays in esthar as president probably unaware that raine had been pregnant.

On the ragnarok laguna says "i've got a lot to say to you" or something like that, Kiros says "you look alot like your mother" and ward says (kiros translates) "good thing you don't look like your father" obviously a joke.

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WHAT MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
Everyone paste this into their sig: "Stop FE from making random 'theories!!" or something like that...it needs to stop.

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And for f#ck sakes, read post #134. Just because its not at the bottom, doesn't mean you don't read it.

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And you know, some people just like the color red. I like the color red. Does that make ME ultimecia?

Geez...I never do that.

i've been reading over these the last few days, and i must say, FE, you're twisting the truth waaaaay too much. here, a quote for you.

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Originally Posted by Jesse1

Raine's grave said Raine Leonheart.

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oh, well lookie there! :eek: oh, now, what was Squall's last name again...?

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Originally Posted by Jesse1

Squall's last name is Leonheart.

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oh, right, right, there we go.

and here, a tidbit about the painting in Ultimecia's Castle - are people suddenly not allowed to put pictures up in their house when the picture isn't them? she's also got the picture of the watchman up. Vigil, it was called. is she also the watchman? um, no, and she's not necessarily the woman in the red dress either.

oh, but wait, there's more! it's obvious you haven't finished the game. as someone already said, in the ending, we see Laguna putting a ring on Raine's ring finger. yes, needless to say but FE made it so that it does indeed NEED to be said, he put it on her left hand. she looks at it, gets all happy, etc etc etc. now i think if she had refused to marry him, she would not have acted the way she did.

and one last bit of repeated knowledge. the moomba licked Squall's blood and said "Laguna". aka, their DNA was nearly identical. i bet Square thought about you when they were questioning if they should have some scene flashing back where the same moomba licked some of Raine's blood, yknow, to undo this confusion you seem to have so much of. then the moomba would've said "Raine" as well as "Laguna". of course, since Squall's blood is half Raine's and half Laguna's, if i remember Biology class correctly, the moomba would've been debating in it's mind whether to call him Raine or Laguna. which may have caused the poor thing to implode. and nobody wants an imploded moomba.

thus ends my rambling. whew.

I wonder how many time I posted this....Look Future, those portraits thingy can't use to back up your Julia = Ultimecia theories cause any moogles or tonberries can have their own interpretations.

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Originally Posted by Unknowns

In case you "forget" again, I told you anyone can have their own interpretations of portrait and this is my interpretation.

XERAMPELINAE(Red clothes)- Ultimecia's ancestor's portrait
VENUS(Love) - Love is what make the world bleed
VIGIL(Watchmen) - The guardian monsters of the castle
INTERVIGILIUM (Sleep) - The sleep magic
JUDICIUM (Judgment) - Alexandria Holy Judgement
IGNUS (Fire) - The Fire magic in the game
VIVIDARIUM (Garden) - The Garden of SeeD
INANDANTIA (Flood) - Leviathan Tidal wave attack
VIATOR (Messenger) - Diablo's dark messenger attack
INAUDAX (Cowardice) - Biggs and Wedge
XIPHIAS (Swordfish) - Gunblade
XYSTUS (Tree-Lined Road) - Fisherman Horizons

Big Picture: In A Garden Sleeps A Messenger:

Diablos sleeps inside the magical lamp which is given in Balamb garden,

See? Anyone can have their own interpretations so your interpretation theory isn't valid so you can't prove Julia= Ultimecia.

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And also there is no point proving the LRS theory to him. Because he once said this:

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

I realized LRS myself before even see it on the internet.
I just can´t make my mind up on the Centra dinasty.
Yesterday I had different thoughts on Squall´s parents.
But now I am convinced back.

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I also said this:

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Originally Posted by Unknowns

Are you trying to say this can be apply to your theory of Ulti = Edea & Ulit = Julia and all those fancy stuff since ppl dun believe that Ulti live many generations ahead of their time like told by the game?

In summary, you are trying to tell people they are contradicting with themselves since they can accept R=U but not U=E=J which also said that they themselves also dun believe in the game script by doing this?

Nice try, dude but correct me if I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Unknowns,you are right about what I am trying to do here.
If you acept R=U knowing it contradict the game script I can also do that.I am also allowed to do that.I am not the only one.

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So in general, he is just using everyone to prove his theories cause he will said the same logic applies to his theories after you proven the LRS theory.

Let me EXPLAIN to you, Future Esthar, what everyone (including myself) has been telling you:

About J=U:

-The organ in the castle does not proof anything, and does not even mean that the owner of the castle is capable of playing it, and Julia played a piano, not an organ… it is just something to create a mood in the castle. On the other hand, if it were a piano in a room similar to the tiny bar in the Galbadia hotel, you would have hade a decent piece of proof.

-The organ might as well have been Omega’s, who was much closer to it, and as far as we know, may even have played it (to seal the Rosetta stone, for example)

-We only saw Julia once, and she was in a red dress. This may be a coincidence, it may be her performing dress, or something of the sort… there is no hard evidence that she even likes the color red (she may have had a number of other reasons for wearing it).

-As you said, we don’t get a good picture of her face, so we don’t really know what she looks like… so the only similarities that we can know for sure are the color of dress and hair.

-Any more I forgot?


LRS:

-Moombas recognize people through their blood, and after testing Squall’s, they say “Laguna! Laguna!” indicating their recognition of Laguna’s genes, and on top of that (since you don’t seem to be convinced, and think that they are just saying it for fun) other moombas say “Head… confuse! Rruuunn! Rruuunn!” (or something of the sort) showing that they taste other parts to the blood as well, and can’t make up their mind whether or not he is Laguna.

-When Kiros and Ward say that he looks like his mother, and that “it’s a good thing you don’t look like your father”, obviously in a joking manner, it shows that they knew the father very well. As well, we know that Squall was at the orphanage, meaning his mother and father were either both dead, or one of them went off to a distant country and became its president, did not know about the child, and stayed there. If Kiros and Ward knew the father well enough to make such jokes about him, they would not do so if he was dead, and chances are, that they would not even want to talk about him. This piece of evidence points directly towards Laguna.

-Laguna does tell squall that he wants to talk to him, and it quite clearly is not about him being in Laguna’s body, because he already told the whole group that Ellone told him about what she did and said that they thought that they were some sort of fairies.

-Kiros says that Squall looks like his mother, and since we get a good look at both Squall and Raine in good graphics and see that they look similar, we are hereby drawn to believe that Raine is truly Squall’s mother. Notice how this assumption is not made only due to graphical similarities, but by a combination of actual in-game dialogue (Kiros saying that Squall looks like his mother), and the graphical similarities between Raine and Squall (notice that here we have the cinematic graphics to go by, not just assumptions of how someone looks)

-Remember: THIS IS A GAME, so there must have been a reason for Raine, Laguna, and Squall’s names to be all derived from occurrences involving water… there is a reason for it, because must have some sort of significance, or it wouldn’t be here (another example is the moomba)

-Laguna having Squall’s card is actually a strong piece of evidence, as they may as well have given it to Cid with Seifer’s card. Think about it… Rinoa’s father has her card, Edea has her own card, Ellone has Laguna’s card (Ellone is related to Laguna by adoption), Ma Dicht has Zell’s card, etc… (Does not apply to the queen of cards quest cards, which are given to some random people around the world) This suggests that Laguna is in some way related to Squall. (Remember, the whole LRS theory is not based on this fact, it is only a small portion of the supporting evidence)

The rest seems quite self-explanatory, and requires no extra additions.