It's true that the DS's library was host to numerous "glorified tech demos" last year, but times have quickly changed and there are now numerous first-rate games available It's not unlikely that the same thing will happen with the Revolution: development groups will be puzzled at first at what to do with the technology, but then they'll get into it and everything will be gravy.
The DS's "minigame" problem wasn't the fault of the hardware design, but the fact that developers didn't have enough time and resources to develop "complete" games for it. Every system has a patch of "dinky" games that show up right after it's first released... the only problem with the DS was that its dinky games were dinky and silly. I'd certainly like to see someone call Meteos, Advance Wars DS, or any of the big fall titles a "minigame".
As Kishi's article points out:
Edit: Kishi beat me to my point. Curse my lneed to spend several minutes articulating my posts!Quote:
So when games come out slowly and only appear to be technology demos, I wouldn’t worry too much. A ‘gimmicky game’ is really just another name for a new core game mechanic that hasn’t been polished.
O_o... so you'd rather kick out the company that started it all... and leave Microsoft, the company that forces computer destributers to put its software on all its computer, in the market... Microsoft really doesn't need another market to screw with. Microsoft was the reason Sega had to leave...Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
As I said, Microsoft hasn't really introduced anything that new... They just copied the ideas of others... and added more power, so that people will praise them as a good system. I'll admit, in terms of power, the Xbox (not 360) was a good system, and it shows when playing cross platform games. MS waited until everyone else announced their systems, then just took what they saw and add a little power. Xbox live wasn't really anything new/good either, they just used their knowledge of computers and internet to make... Besides, PS2 online still has more users, its just Sony didn't make a big deal out of it, and MS constantly advertized their's.
The main reason MS gets so many developers, is because they offer them more money. Microsoft bought out a lot of game companies, like Bungie, by offering a lot more money than they were getting. Bungie was a MAC game company! Yet MS's money even managed to get them...
Luckly, this time around, the 360 doesn't have anything(hardware wise) over the PS3... Although they will always have those developers that they buy... -.- And of course, now that the pandora's box is open... lots of developers will flock to MS, just because it looks cool.
So I still maintain that Sony, Sega, and Nintendo are probably the best companies to have in the industry. And I wouldn't be complaining about MS... if they weren't who they are...
Back on the topic of the Revolution, yes, minigames are a little silly... and usually nothing more than tech demos... but they are nessisary for getting new kinds of hardware off to a good start.
Oh, BTW, remember Feel the Magic? That was the best minigame for teh DS! ^__^/ And I can't wait for the second one... guess what, Sega made that game!
I'm sure we'll see a few minigames on the Revolution... And probably a lot of early attempts by developers to use the hardware... who knows, it might be good, it might not... Supposedly the Revolution is easy to develope for. =/
Honestly I love the Revolution controller, I think if the games are good, and Nintendo can do this right, the Rev will become a very popular system. Also remember, the Revolution is more than just the controller, there are a lot of other great features.
Let's not forget that third parties are already excited about the revolution, including the critically acclaimed Hideo Kojima.
I love my Gamcube and I even love the usually despised GC controller layout...But I have seen plenty of pictures of the remote stuck in a casing of a normal controller, so I'm sure Nintendo will make "normal" controlled games as well.
My problem is third-party developers. I just don't see many hopping on the bandwagon...But that may not be the case.
I like Nintendo, I really do, but I'm going to have to be cliche and go with the PS3 instead. It seems to me that is the safest bet to get the most software and quality for your money. I'm poor, and I need safe bets.
However, I can almost see future controllers keeping the regular layout and also adding a pointer like sensor at the top but giving you the option to use it. It would give point and click PC games like Diablo or Dungeon Siege a fair chance and make strategy games possible.
Honestly, I hope Sony just rips them off so I can get the regular Playstation controller and the new innovation. No one had a problem ripping off analog sticks or rumble features so who knows.
Rayman, Ridge Racer, Raiden Project, Street Fighter: The Movie, Kileak: The DNA Imperative, NBA Jam Tournament Edition, ESPN Extreme Games, Battle Arena Toshinden. That was the PS1's launch lineup. It was closely followed by games such as Wipeout, Destruction Derby, Loaded, and Theme Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by omnitarian
I'm hard pressed to call any of those gimmicky.
Sorry, where did I say I wanted to kick Atari out of the business? They've produced Civilization III, and Indigo Prophecy. 'Cause I know it's been awhile since the 2600 but they're still alive and kicking. The Atari 5200, the Magnavox Odyssey, and the Colecovision (Just remembered; The Intellivision did as well.) all existed before the Famicom, or for that matter the SG-1000. Hell, PONG was a commerically available product. Nintendo have done a lot for the industry, anyone trying to deny their influence is insane, but the fact is, they didn't start the industry at all. The closest claim they can make to that is working with both Mitsubishi and Magnavox to manufacture the Odyssey in Japan. Five years after the US release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
As to Microsoft - if they were actually bad, they'd fall to pieces. The fact is, my X-Box has held together since I got it. It continues to load faster than anything else I play games on. It continues to have excellent graphics. (Splinter Cell Chaos Theory beats even Resident Evil 4 in my opinion.) It continues to have a wide selection of games which I wish to play. Hence, I want to keep them. Nintendo on the other hand produce some amazingly good games, but only at a rate of about one per aeon.
SEGA certainly weren't helped by the release of the X-Box, but that was more because the PS1 and N64 enjoyed more success than the Saturn and DC did, already causing damage. Then the PS2 was released, and effortlessly wiped out all claims the DC had to being the most powerful machine out. With the Box and the Cubay on the way as well, there wasn't really much chance for them. It is utterly naive to proclaim that one company was solely and entirely responsible for the ousting of another. Also, as Nintendo seem desperate to do, SEGA made some serious blunders in their decisions which crippled them. Specifically, they released the 32X addon for the Mega Drive very shortly before the Saturn and PSX showed up, at a high price; then developers and licensers decided the Saturn was a better possibility. A lesson was learned but the damage was irreversable. Various other errors over time, and an inability to compete with Sony in the fifth and sixth gen eras, all contributed to SEGA's unfortunate downfall.
And the very reason that World of Warcraft has 4 million worldwide users and has won not only accolades of 'best MMO ever', but some of 'game of the year' and 'best game ever', is not because it does anything especially new or innovative, but because it does things that work and it does them incredibly well. The same holds true for the X-Box. That's why people love Halo. Nobody with an ounce of brains claims it's original, it's not, very few (if any) FPS games are: It's good because it does something people like better than almost everything else out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
X-Box Live is an amazing sytem, it's not necessarily innovative, it's just good. I cannot see the problems with a company using their expertise in one area to make something work well in another. It is akin to saying Nintendo don't deserve praise for making an awesome Zelda game because they know how to make Zelda games.
And how many people would have played Halo on a Mac? All three Mac users, possibly! Fact is the deal has been good for Bungie as much as for MS. Also, take a look at Bioware. the X-Box is the only console they develop for: I know barely anybody who dislikes the KOTOR games and even fewer who dislike Jade Empire. Exclusivity is a fact of life, and frankly it's Nintendo who needs it more than anyone else. If it weren't for a handful of killer apps like Metroid, Animal Crossing, and Res 4 I sicerely doubt the GC would be anywhere noteworthy. Meanwhile, the PS2 and X-Box can get along just fine on their wide bases of games, from many developers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
"I wouldn't be complaining about this if it were completely different." Doesn't strike me as the most obtuse of statements. At any rate, I stand by my former comments. My ideal of the 'big three' is Sony, SEGA, and Microsoft. Maybe that's just because I've never been a big Ninty fan, I was always a SEGA baby, but that's the way my opinion falls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
See my opening paragraph for response. Additionally, the PS1's tech demo was of a bigass T-Rex which did very little other than walk on nothing and roar silently. It was awesome. Oh, and there was a manta ray as well. It's better than weird minigames, I assure you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
Hopefully it will be. Whatever my other comments, I sure as hell DON'T want to see an industry with only two console manufacturers. I most sincerely hope Nintendo pull something great off with this. And it certainly does have potential. But if you take into consideration their stated goals with the Revo, I can't see how you can come to any conclusion other than "Are you sure you don't have a temperature, Yamauchi-san?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
But Nintendo themselves are the ones who are drawing so much attention to the controller. Again, I hope that Nintendo do something great here, and that it gets them back into a position of real strength in the industry. I merely have sincere doubts that this will be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tidus Andronicus
On a lighter note, I absolutely love your username. It's even better than my old idea, 'Titus Androgynous', which would probably go to places which even Thailand thinks are illegal.
I dont disagree with you on most of what you say... but maybe I should have worded that statement better... We owe a lot to Nintendo cause they were the first really widely excepted home game console (of our generation). My parents had an Atari, and I played it when I was little... but almost none of my freinds had ever played atari... and atari only started the industry, they didn't keep it going, in such a big way that Nintendo did.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
The NES is why we can still play video games now. Atari almost killed the market with the crap it put out. NES set the bar for games of today. With out the nes you would be playing sport outside right now.=P
please keep in mind that I was just ranting at 4am when I wrote all that XD... and I just dont like MS... They've never been a good company, and they've done plenty wrong in the computer industry... and thats why I will never give them my money.
Edit: Wow, after really thinking about it... the Revolution is really going to be the FPS king! might even be better than PC! You'll be able to aim so accuratly now and still have great control, even when moving!
Of course, we can just turn to VG Cats.
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050919.gif
EDIT: Dammit, some one beat me.
Way to post something that was posted last page. :p
And, please, can we keep this from turning into a Microsoft bashing thread? Whether people like it or not, they're here to stay, and it's not like they're much worse than Sony as a crazy-powerful corporate juggernaut. Like Sony cares about gamers but Microsoft doesn't? Please. They both want money, and they're willing to provide the best content they can to get it.
Apparently not D: Wheres the 360 thread for pro-xbox anyway?Quote:
And, please, can we keep this from turning into a Microsoft bashing thread?
personaly i will be so angary if ff gets relesed for their system, but square may need the cash.Quote:
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And, please, can we keep this from turning into a Microsoft bashing thread?
Apparently not D: Wheres the 360 thread for pro-xbox anyway?
I'm sure edc made a post concerning the position where you can play the Revolution with the controller. In fact, you can play at any angle from the screen: http://www.gamesradar.com/news/defau...sectionid=2504
I got a game you can play: Xtreme Channel Changing!
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Yes! Extreme Channel Changing! Genius. n_n
Most innovative title of our time.
First, you must find Fox News, then Cartoon Network, and finally Noggin.
Seriously though. I think that this could be very good for alot of games. (Like a Tennis game or an FPS, as others have said.) But if it is true that you will be able to put the Remote into a Normal Controller like a VMU, I will probably use that most of the time.
They should probably include the Nunchaku Add-On and the Regular Controller with the entire system, so that people don't find themselves buying different types of controllers.