Miley Cyrus' raunchy performance at the 2013 VMAs, and why I hate her now

Yes, I've been aware that such perverted, profane literature and art have been around for centuries, and they're here to stay, whether we like it or not. I remember taking a history class in college and seeing a few pornographic artworks that date back centuries, so it's been around for a long time, way before the advent of the Playboy magazine and the Girls Gone Wild videos. I'm just concerned that it may be becoming too commonplace, and they need to curb it. I have no plans to outright ban any of this, because I know some of you like it (and I'll admit that I like a few of these artists' songs myself), but I still don't think it's appropriate for family viewing or listening. The only appropriate place for such music is a strip club, and not every single place everywhere is a strip club. There's a time and a place for everything.

With that said, I think they should still put stricter regulations on our music. Do you want our music in the future to be as profane as the film The Wolf of Wall Street? I'm mentioning the film because the dialogue contains some 506 f-bombs (though some of Martin Scorsese's other films also have hundreds of F-bombs). Do you want our music in the future to contain hundreds of F-bombs and other expletives? I don't know about you, but I really don't want things to get to that point.

Actually, that's exactly what I want to see.

Hundreds seems excessive, sure, but a few here and there won't hurt anybody.

What I think I am grasping from your posts is that you think everyone - performers, filmmakers, the entire entertainment industry - should cater to the wants and needs of conservative families who don't want to feel like they've entered into a curse-heavy strip club when listening to music or watching music videos or films. That everyone should be able to enjoy a serious film or a catchy song's music video or listen to a song without profanity.

Have you considered the wealth of already-available options for people who would prefer to not see or listen to these kinds of things? That if you don't want to see a nude Miley Cyrus music video with racy and sexual dancing that you can watch Jack Johnson strumming his guitar on a nice Hawaiian beach instead? That instead of watching The Wolf of Wall Street with its hundreds of f-bombs, you might consider a family-friendly film like Saving Mr. Banks instead? Why is it that these entertainers and artmakers need to conform to the standards of those who criticize their work?

All consumers were not created equally. If you do not want sexual, racy, profane and vulgar media in your life, my advice to you is to steer clear of it and stop complaining about its existence, because it is here to stay and there is nothing that anyone - you, me, a group of upset people, thousands of people or even millions - can do to stop it. It is not going to go away or be curbed, ever.

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Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire

With that said, I think they should still put stricter regulations on our music. Do you want our music in the future to be as profane as the film The Wolf of Wall Street? I'm mentioning the film because the dialogue contains some 506 f-bombs (though some of Martin Scorsese's other films also have hundreds of F-bombs). Do you want our music in the future to contain hundreds of F-bombs and other expletives? I don't know about you, but I really don't want things to get to that point.

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I wouldnt want it in every song (not that that is ever going to happen) but if a song does come out with a lot of swears I'll judge it by it's content and composition and not the number of swears it has.

Also in wolf of wall street smurf is said 2.83 times a minute which in a 3 minute song is only around eight and a half smurfs which isnt that bad

Miley is currently traumatizing the youth of my hometown, Omaha. May God have mercy on this town!!!

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Originally Posted by Shorty

What I think I am grasping from your posts is that you think everyone - performers, filmmakers, the entire entertainment industry - should cater to the wants and needs of conservative families who don't want to feel like they've entered into a curse-heavy strip club when listening to music or watching music videos or films. That everyone should be able to enjoy a serious film or a catchy song's music video or listen to a song without profanity.

Have you considered the wealth of already-available options for people who would prefer to not see or listen to these kinds of things? That if you don't want to see a nude Miley Cyrus music video with racy and sexual dancing that you can watch Jack Johnson strumming his guitar on a nice Hawaiian beach instead? That instead of watching The Wolf of Wall Street with its hundreds of f-bombs, you might consider a family-friendly film like Saving Mr. Banks instead? Why is it that these entertainers and artmakers need to conform to the standards of those who criticize their work?

All consumers were not created equally. If you do not want sexual, racy, profane and vulgar media in your life, my advice to you is to steer clear of it and stop complaining about its existence, because it is here to stay and there is nothing that anyone - you, me, a group of upset people, thousands of people or even millions - can do to stop it. It is not going to go away or be curbed, ever.

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The thing is, it's getting harder and harder to steer away from, because I see it ALL THE TIME. I know that profane and perverse works of literature, art, music, photography, and film have been around for centuries, but back then, it was seemingly more obscure, and harder to find. Nowadays, it's the other way around; the decent, respectful, and clean-cut things are harder to find, while all of the explicit stuff keeps getting shoved into our faces, and I'm sick of it! I know it's here to stay, and while I don't expect it to go away completely, I still want it to be curbed, because I think it's going too far. (Of course, you might be thinking, "how far is too far?") Even little kids have access to this stuff, and they shouldn't, because it is inappropriate for them. There's a time and a place for everything, and certain things are only appropriate at certain times and certain places.

I think they should rate the lyrics of lyrics and music videos in the same manner that they do movies and video games, and the most explicit recording artists should be labeled MAX artists, and not be marketed towards younger audiences, filtered away from the rest of the non-MAX songs and music videos. Their concerts should also be rated for its content.

I'm just trying to find a concept that will please both those who like explicit music and those who don't. They should not subject people who don't like explicit music to explicit music, and that what I think that they're doing. I'm not stopping anyone else who likes their music from listening to their music (I actually like a few heavy metal bands myself), nor am I stopping the musical acts from continuing to perform the way that they do, but I still think that they should be more strictly regulated and filtered out, because not all of it is suitable for family audiences.

Miley Cyrus Performs In Underwear After Missing Costume Change

Anyway, going back to Miley Cyrus, she recently decided to perform on stage in just her underwear, due to missing a costume change. To be honest, she could have just delayed the performance for just a few minutes in order to get into her costume (not that her costumes are much better than her underwear, but still), and then perform the next song.

Also, check this out:

'Achy Breaky 2' Releases from Billy Ray Cyrus and Buck 22

A few weeks ago (I forgot to post this earlier), her father, Billy Ray Cyrus, collaborated with rapper Buck 22 for a remix of his 1992 hit, "Achy Breaky Heart," simply entitled "Achy Breaky 2," and the music video is certainly too racy to be safe for work (or school, for that matter); it contains a whole bunch of extremely scantily-clad women wearing extremely racy thongs and twerking their butts out, and they even give a shout out to Miley in the video too. I think it's disgusting.

I have a solution for you: just move to the Middle East! :bigsmile:

Seriously.. Usually what's released on TV and radio is edited for expletives anyway. And we say Bitch, Dick, Ass, Damn, and Goddamn nonstop here. Nevermind all the times we say "trout" & "smurf" meaning the F & S words.

It's not getting harder, it's just that you're choosing to focus on it instead of focusing on things that you actually like. My advice would just download a bunch of Christian music & films and be over it already.The Duggar family has no problems with avoiding this stuff and they have NINETEEN CHILDREN. I'm pretty sure if they can do it, so can you.

I'm also pretty sure Billy Ray just re-made Achy Breaky Heart for the lulz and in support of his daughter.

Wal-Mart already doesn't sell any records with the "Explicit Content" label (aka the unedited versions of albums with lots of expletives).. Unless that's changed over the years. IDK .. I don't buy cds.

And sure, she -could- have delayed her performance, but being delayed due to costume mishaps can mess up a show.. The musicians are given run-throughs and specific times as to how things should flow.. That's why they do full-set rehearsals including the costume changes beforehand. There may be no communication between Miley & her assistants and the band. It would look bad if they started their music without her on stage ready to sing. Not to mention the time-frame the venue has.. Delaying a set for "a few minutes" just so Miley can finish changing her clothes can potentially off-set a large number of things being thrown off - not just with her band & crew, but with those working at the venue she played at as well.

Again, you're making something out of nothing. I, along with many others, have no problems whatsoever avoiding things we dislike seeing or hearing.. It takes all of 30 seconds to change the channel or the radio station. I don't understand why it seems to be such a problem for -you-.

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I don't understand why it seems to be such a problem for -you-.

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Because how could he have his self-righteous indignation if he actually made effort to avoid things he doesn't enjoy?

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Originally Posted by Jinx

I have a solution for you: just move to the Middle East! :bigsmile:

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I wouldn't go that far, Jinx. I'm okay with some suggestive content, but not if it goes too far, like with Miley Cyrus and several others. Let me ask you this: what kind of raunchy content would you consider "going too far"?

Also, I noticed on this board that whenever you post the F or S words, it is replaced with "smurf" and "trout," respectively, and that those are the only two words that are censored on this forum. Why is that, and what's up with that? "Smurf" is derived from The Smurfs, a cartoon in which they sometimes substitute the word "smurf" for certain words, and here, you use it to substitute for the F-bomb. Also, for your information, a trout is a fish:

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I also hear that in Canada and Australia, the S word is considered a mild swear word, yet here in America, the only two words that are consistently completely censored at all times are this and the F word; they sometimes let other somewhat severe words slip through. The words "damn," "hell," "ass," and "bastard" (the seven-letter B word in which the second letter is an A) all seem to be mild swear words here in America, at least according to my experience. And in some PG-13-rated movies, the S word is uncensored, even when it is used multiple times (some movie occasionally also have a single uncensored F word as well).

Also, just because an album does not have the Parental Advisory sticker on it does not necessarily mean that it is suitable for family listening; it may still have lots of sex, drugs, and alcohol. That is why I recommend having a content rating system for lyrics and music videos akin to movies and video games. Content rating systems function as guidelines to inform us about the content and its suitability for family viewing or listening.

With that said, how far would you think is "going too far" in pushing the envelopes for explicit content in music?

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Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire

Also, for your information, a trout is a fish:

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Thank goodness you let us know, I don't think any of us were aware of this when we chose this word as a filter.

We needed to have these words censored to be considered a "family friendly" forum early on. Some kind of advertising bottom line or something. Someone who is actually aware of why can probably go into more detail. Not sure if its still required, but it has become a part of the EoFF culture and even if we don't need to censor the words now, we will probably continue to until the end of time, because smurf it. :3

I really don't believe there's a thing as too far. I don't agree with every message in every song, but I also believe in freedom of speech and expression. I don't have to like it or support their message in any way...but I also don't have to listen to or watch something either, do I?

If you're really concerned about whether or not something is appropriate for you or your family, do the research. It's possible to even find out something you formerly supported (like Hannah Montana) is something you no longer want to support (backed by your hate for Miley Cyrus' supposed "raunchiness"). It's okay to no longer support something and speak out against it, really. What's not okay is imposing bans on what other people can and should be listening to.

I understand the whole "BUT I STILL MIGHT HEAR IT OUT IN PUBLIC!!!!" So don't frequent those places. It's pretty simple. And if you're just hearing someone swearing or talking about things you don't agree with in public...I mean, again. This is a free country and people can talk about whatever and however they damn well please, even in public. You don't have to actively listen to their conversation. You don't have to agree or like what they're saying. But it's really stupid to get offended when no one has done or said anything offensive to you. And if there are children around, explain to them that those aren't your values, or values you want them to have. The onus falls on you as a parent/mentor to teach children (what you consider to be) right from wrong; the onus does not fall on society to pad and shelter people who can't deal with things they don't like.

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Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire

"Smurf" is derived from The Smurfs, a cartoon in which they sometimes substitute the word "smurf" for certain words, and here, you use it to substitute for the F-bomb. Also, for your information, a trout is a fish:

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