Wonder how people didn´t notice this.

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Well here we go with what i have been saying all along. We don't know the facts. What we know is what we were told - that is fact so far. But it was once a fact that the world was flat. It was once a fact that the solar system rotated around the earth. This is because people just went with what they heard.

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Lemme get this straight.. We should hear out and accept Future's theories, despite what is stated to be fact in the game, because what is stated may be false?? What the smurf? That negates paying attention to the story at all, if it's all really a facade. And despite what the original writer wanted.. The final project is the story. That's like stating all deleted scenes from a movie are still part of the story. Somewhere along the line of creation, someone didn't like something and it got yanked. It no longer exists for the story, unless they decide to make a Final Fantasy VIII: The Director's Cut. And even in that case, it only exists for that version of the story.

Theories are fine and dandy, as long as they have some valid proof or at least fit with the stated story. Future's theory can't do either.

How has this thread lasted this long?

Because Future keeps insisting his theories have some merit and Unknown keeps proving them wrong. It's basically become an endless cycle.

I don´t have proofs but they fit with the story.
Good post bipper.
Unknowns,you act like i should take a microscope or a glass amplifier to the game to EXACTLY proof things.
But that´s impossible.This is not real world.This is a game.No one can find a knife in the game and then see if Caraways digital prints were there and analyse the blood sample in the knife to see if it was Julia´s blood(using all the necessary techniques of course).That can not be made on a game.We can just think on the best possibility for a theory basing on script,events and the most important,GRAPHICAL DETAILS.
Of course I know you hate when people uses GRAPHICAL DETAILS to back up theories.You tend to believe more on scripts and main events.

Graphical details for a game that had crappy graphics doesn't say a whole lot. And god forbid we use details like actual events in the game script to prove that your theories have little to no merit in the actual story.

Whaaaaaaaat?I always thought the graphics of FF8 were the best.

You say your theories fit into the story. They don't. They contradict the story immensely.

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Whaaaaaaaat?I always thought the graphics of FF8 were the best.

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Are you stupid or something? Do you even know what FFIX, and a PS2 are?

Yeah,but they were not crappy in anyway.

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Yeah,but they were not crappy in anyway.

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The FMVs are completely awesome, but the in game screens are quite crappy.

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Yeah,but they were not crappy in anyway.

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The FMVs are completely awesome, but the in game screens are VERY quite crappy.

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I fixed it! Go me! :)

Relying on FFVIII's not-so-perfect graphics to back your theories up probably isn't the best idea.

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Personally, I would like to see some facts and evidence backing up your rebuttle besides nah nah nah boo boo....
That whole last post got nothing accomplished besides some minor bickering at me. I guess I must of offended you too by having an opinion. The world is a small place with minimal facts.

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And the last post is not certainly directed to start a fight with you. It was meant for you to really take a good look at the whole theory and to be fair to other posters that rebuttle. Having an different opinion and face my wrath is never my intention around here or else I will have rebuttled on your first post.

I never believe you were a mule account of Esthar's because I read your other post concering Sephiroth and Kefka in the FF VI/General FF section which make sense and you took time to research on all those.

I researched on Esthar's theories clearly,went to see all his previous posts to get to know more about his theories,went through the game to take a few more "looks" and go through several game related infomations so as to clearly list out the points that doesn't seem right in Esthar's theories.

I just want you take a clearer look at the whole thread of what the other posters post. Look, I did homework before I "nah nah nah boo boo boo" here. If I offended you anyhow, I apologize. :cry:

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Unknowns,you act like i should take a microscope or a glass amplifier to the game to EXACTLY proof things

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This is what you say to me about the camera thing in the parade...(below)

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It doesn´t matter,you don´t have proofs.End point.

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You were the one that want detailed proofs and now you are just going back on your words...

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Of course I know you hate when people uses GRAPHICAL DETAILS to back up theories.You tend to believe more on scripts and main events.

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I dun hate people using Graphical Details to back up the theories but pls back in with concrete proof like that Ellone split thingy. Up till now, who agree with that?

Those are reference of what is actually going on in the games, using them as a guideline, what is wrong?

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I dun hate people using Graphical Details to back up the theories but pls back in with concrete proof like that Ellone split thingy. Up till now, who agree with that?

Those are reference of what is actually going on in the games, using them as a guideline, what is wrong?

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Yes, exactly that. These video games could be compared to a book with pictures. Basing stuff on the pictures alone isn't too reliable as the artist and author may have different views on the story. We rely on dialouge and the actions of characters rather than soley graphical detail. Your theories are changing the story not by using the actual plot portrayed by the game, but by drawing up random ideas from trivial things like how a character may look at a certain point. The graphics in this game have many flaws, like characters passing though each other, Irvine's jacket when climbing ladders, and all sorts of things that literally don't matter. I could just as easily say that all of the characters are merely dreams of Ellone or someone because "Look at the way they pass though each other! FFVIII was supposed to have such unriveled graphics for a reason, right? Wonder how people didn`t notice this." Guess what. Rinoa's hair appearing to be shorter when the game splits her image for effect is just an error. Like I said, FFVIII's graphics have many errors and this is just one of them.

Also, stop saying that you don't need any proof to back up your theories. If you don't find some, why should we believe them? Don't say that they're right because they seem to fit. Well guess what. They don't fit. They directly contradict what the game is telling us/you. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. Just because it looks like the piece will fit doesn't mean it will. So, again, stop saying that your theory (theories?) actually makes sense and fits perfectly with the story, because I have read them, and they don't.

With square - they have always done such a great job working the graphics into the story and collaberating to make a master peice. Tjere fpor the graphix are just as important as the script. The game did not have crappy graphics by any measure. For what the PSX could do, the game pushed the envelope. The planning on color usage with the lighting effects seemd a little dreary and distracting - but that is purly subjective.

I am reading through the whole forum again now - before i do - let me say i do belive two things (that COULD be)

1: The girls could all be sorceresses and guys thier knights
2: Rinoa and Ellone definatley have some connection - call it strange but I am seeing it in the pics that future put up. The have to be different sprites and not simply traced and transparently shaded.

/shrug those really caught my attention and got me into the thread.

Like i said earlier - Square is not about to give the warriors a deep past - just to say that they grew up together :( way to sitcom. The is IMO as well as who knows - mabey it was rushed and they did that. But its my opinion which would make it a fine fact to me to use in my theories for fun! :)

One thing is forsure - this funness made me take out my old version of 8 so we can all pat our selves on the back since we accomplished somthing good out of it all :)

Whelp lates again,

Bipper GOEts?

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With square - they have always done such a great job working the graphics into the story and collaberating to make a master peice. Tjere fpor the graphix are just as important as the script. The game did not have crappy graphics by any measure. For what the PSX could do, the game pushed the envelope. The planning on color usage with the lighting effects seemd a little dreary and distracting - but that is purly subjective.

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When has the graphics been worked into the story? :erm: The graphics are nice and pretty, but they've never contributed to the script.

And I'm sorry, but did you just say that the in-game scenes pushed the envelope? How do you figure? Certainly the FMVs did, but the in-game scenes were crappy, even by the standards of the day. Hell, the backgrounds in FF7 looked better. And the characters.. Can we say "overpixelated"?

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When has the graphics been worked into the story? The graphics are nice and pretty, but they've never contributed to the script.

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Oh ok, so I may have been vague on that. When the company tells you that character a and b are in "love" but wont admit it - would it be as cool for the main character just to say " Wow.. they are in love but the will not admit it! HA HA!". Nope - you graphically represent it in different ways. (Hell remember the question mark bubbles, and such from 6?) In that way the graphics do contribute to the script as we interpet it.

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Prehapse whole all of the areas were being built, they decided that Esthar should be located in a barrent type area instead of a jungle or w/e.

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When square may want to hint at somthing they can use graphical symbolism and just hope that someone might catch on - then get ripped appart on the boards! See square really like laughing at people like future Esthar because he is not affraid to dig - but he will get blasted for it!? The irony of it all.

And yes the online graphics did push the envalope. Over pixeled - entirely correct but you are not seeing over pixulated images - that is why i said this :

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The planning on color usage with the lighting effects seemd a little dreary and distracting

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What you are seeing is the result of shaders and filters being processed to the sprite image. This is what made it so graphically appealing. The sprite was so Dynamic and could fit into any enviroment. sure final fantasy IX was remastered and better, but hey- it takes a few tries to get "Hello world!" To look good sometimes. (programming joke - he he snort snort)

In the dymanticity of sprites and everything but the world map - ffVIII was very suppirior to anything before its time... sept mabey donkey kong - you just cant beat the king -_-

Bipper GOeS