The profundity. It... it's overwhelming.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown Guru
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The profundity. It... it's overwhelming.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Unknown Guru
I know little about this but taking a stab in the dark, that there could be a lack of jobs out there for these people to go to. That and if they go on strike its easily replacable workers since after all so many die.Quote:
If workers died...why didn't they quit? if there were such intolerable conditions, how did the factory stay in businesses? Because the people expected the government to solve all of their problems.
If the workers got together and decided to strike, the business would be forced to change their ways or shut their doors.
Or maybe the government didnt want to give sewege system because they are not willing to spend the money to unless they are pressured by the knowledge that it does harm people and put it up so that they dont want to interfere. Its not the first time.
No most people will take it up to city officials and they will issue a order for the things to be removed and the person could face fees or crimminal charges for devaluing the residence and the house values.Quote:
First off, that "dung heap in city center" story is bogus, and could not happen in a truly capitalist society. However, my next door neighbour is free to have whatever the hell he wants in his own private property. If I don't like it, I'm free to move.
Why flame this? >_> Thats very mature. I dont know much about the Great Depression either but i do know that consumer confidence does influence the market. Some buisness newscasts do show some reports about how the weather affects market buyers. What does that have to do with Great Depression? Nothing..>_> I just wanted to say that what he said isnt necessarily that unplausible to think of and can be a contributing factor.Quote:
the great depression was actually caused by a lack of faith in the economy boom of the time caused by new technology and the hp system. a few people shat themselves and the market went tits up.
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If workers died...why didn't they quit? if there were such intolerable conditions, how did the factory stay in businesses? Because the people expected the government to solve all of their problems.
If the workers got together and decided to strike, the business would be forced to change their ways or shut their doors.
people needed jobs to support their familys. it was either certain death by starvation, or possible death by overheating or machine injurys. which would you chose?
Yep during the days of rockafella it was like that.The gap of rich and poor was so big .There was no middle class.You were either rich or either poor as dirt.Heck kids had to put on there working boots as soon as they turned 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
Well my family never faced those conditions heck not many americans did we still lived in a agricultural society.MY family was in oklahoma territory at the time so yeah lol.IT sucked to be in a city.
The only time it can be wrong is if someone were to give a child a job not suited for them. Extremely dangerous jobs and the like. Of course, perhaps "and I have a job" was followed by implication by "suited for a child of that ability", so maybe this is just looking too deeply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
[QUOTE=lionx]Actually, the deprression was caused by a couple of things:Quote:
Why flame this? >_> Thats very mature. I dont know much about the Great Depression either but i do know that consumer confidence does influence the market. Some buisness newscasts do show some reports about how the weather affects market buyers. What does that have to do with Great Depression? Nothing..>_> I just wanted to say that what he said isnt necessarily that unplausible to think of and can be a contributing factor.Quote:
the great depression was actually caused by a lack of faith in the economy boom of the time caused by new technology and the hp system. a few people shat themselves and the market went tits up.
1.) The economy of the time was more driven by durable goods -- things like refrigerators and cars. People stopped buying them when they had one of each. Thus economy goes down.
2.) In the stock market, people were buying stocks on margin, meaning that they'd only pay about 15% of the going price for the stock. As long as the stock were increasing in value, that wasn't so much of a problem. But when the stocks started going down, there was a problem, because they still owed on the original cost of the stock. When the bill came due, people couldn't pay and went bankrupt. Unfortunately, since the banks couldn't collect on those loans that were used to buy the stock, they went under.
3.) When a few banks started going under, people quite understandably paniced and everybody started withdrawing their money at once. Problem: banks were using most of the money to finance other loans, so they couldn't pay everyone all of their money before going out of business. There wasn't FDIC back then, so if you got to the bank too late, you lost all your savings.
4.) And there were some crop failures in Oklahoma and other areas in the west.
It wasn't a matter of "losing confidence" so much as a snowball effect.
Once the banks started to close and people started loosing their savings, it became very difficult to start the economy up.
the stock market is ran on confidence. that is the only thing it requires. when people lose confidence they sell and so the stock market drops. why the confidence drop during that time is the question to be answered.
"First off, that "dung heap in city center" story is bogus, and could not happen in a truly capitalist society. However, my next door neighbour is free to have whatever the hell he wants in his own private property. If I don't like it, I'm free to move.
No most people will take it up to city officials and they will issue a order for the things to be removed and the person could face fees or crimminal charges for devaluing the residence and the house values. "
but council officials at the time had no authority over it (if they area had a council). because it was a laissez-faire society. there was no legislation or refulation against it. what was good for business was good for the economy and so the country and screw anyone else it affected.
the sewer thing. people who it affected were poor. they did not have enough money to buy some brunel type sewage system.
and thank you very much but my education system got me into the top university for my degree. so meh. it's all rubbish and everyone ignores that fact and i'm getting into uni for being a dogmatic idiot. yeah sure....
onto the actual question at hand. america at times is more than the bastion and stronghold of evil. it is the materntiy unit and breeding ground for it.
The stock market was the majority of the reason for the depression.
it was the only reason.
I would also blame all those people who gambled their lives on the market and those banks who said yes certainly have all these loans.
LOL SO TRUE OMG!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
supported the ira with noraid and so helped an evil murderous organisation. trained bin laden for a war by proxy. then annoyed him and thousands like him enough for them to call a jihad so creating an evil organisation. put sadamme in power and supported him and so created an evil secular state. supported the taliban and mujahden in afghanistan and so set up an evil muslim state. supports uzbekistan an evil state. refuses to help the worlds poorest and then complains when they set up murderous dictatorships against their interests.
..you know, surprisingly, I agree with all of this (except the last part, which I think you're, once again, missing the point).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
If you were an American, I'd go on about the problems with America (mainly it's foreign policy) but you're an irrationally anti-American socialist (which is worse) so I won't.
oh so because i'm not "one of you" you won't discuss it? i'm not allowed to judge your country? maybe one day. if fate is right and karma is true people like me will decide the fate of your country.
First off, some pointers. Fate isn't right, and karma doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Now, the reasons why I won't discuss it is not because you're not "one of us". I actually hold conversations with people all over the world about the problems with America. I won't talk to you, personally, about it because you dislike some of America's policies (as you should), but also manage to denounce all of its virtues as well. I hate militant "imperialism", if you wish to call that, as much as you do, because it is anti-freedom. You also hapeen to be expressly anti-freedom, and have no concept of a nation in which the individual is recognized before the collective group.
You're allowed to judge my country all you want. I judge it, too. You're just wrong, most of the time. Becuase you're right in some respects doesn't make us allies. You seek to fix the problems of America by destroying life and its corollaries, economic and civil freedoms. You would take away the misery that America places on the rest of the world and contain it to America. It's disgraceful. That is why I won't talk to you about my country.