You've touched the right area in the first and third sections, but everything else is way off.
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You've touched the right area in the first and third sections, but everything else is way off.
Masamune? Sephy`s sword?
No, way off. Look at the themes xlxRenoxlx uncovered and try to work from there. He's got the first and third section worked out but has just got the wrong person.
1. Implies a character in the game.
2. Implies a good character, but one perhaps with a dark past.
3. Implies character is dead, or is stronger in death or next life.
4. Implies character is former servant, or soldier.
I think this leads to Vincent.
Cetra/Ancients?
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Originally Posted by ForestOwl
I'm she m'dear =P
and is it Jenova?
"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight. (reference to an angel? presence of greatness could mean sephiroth.)
I am the protecter of hope
Though I'm devoid of light. (the angel theme again, even though this angel is dark and evil)
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'
A phrase that I stand by no longer. (jenova is practically dead but her cells still lived and helped to control sephiroth. if she's dead she's not strong =p)
My name is what you need
A name given by those my master made bleed." (Jenova was implied to be named by scientists, Professor Gast, this was informed in the Shinra Mansion basement, when you read the reports. It says that a rare cell form was found and they decided to name it the "Jenova Project"
I'm not sure if they actually named her or if the cetra named her jenova, I know she was the "calamity from the skies" but I don't know if they were the ones who named her. this could explain part of it.)
Sorry if this doesn't help anyone, but these are what I think, I'm turning into Llanowar I think =P with all the deep explanations n stuff hehe. <3 your dedicated Llan! =)
My apologies, xlxRenoxlx. I shall remember that in the future.
Here are the sections you got right the first time.
Everything you just said was, sadly, wrong. The answer is much more obscure than Jenova. Here is a clue to help you out (SPOILER)I appear quite early in the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by xlxRenoxlx but adapted by me
so you think you are turning into me huh Reno. Well apparently not because you can at least solve riddles. Well not the one I am usually working on, but then again noone else can solve it either. :)
Ok my assumptions are that this is someone who either actually is in battle or has a "fight" with someone in power possible pres. Shinra, etc,
secondly the protector of hope though devoid of light. This could refer to anyone who fought to protect Aeris(what i perceive as hope) even though they don't feel they have any hope left.
The third stanza I believe refers to the fact that they do Die at some point although possibly not when u meet them early on. (It probably is at that time since most people who do actually die do die early on.)
the fourth stanza might be referring to a name that you need in order to pass by some certain obstacle.
My guess is the Midgar Zolom. fights Sephy. Loses and "dies" yea w/e
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Originally Posted by Llanowar
lolol!!! Llanowar I can only solve easy riddles =P, You have a much better idea at gaining ANY idea's from Thingfish's riddle lol =P I can't think of anything from that riddle!!! but when you solve that riddle I shall bow down to you =P hehe but, yeah, I usually just, guess an answer and that's, but from all the posts you've posted with explanations of everything, it's given me an insight to look deeper into riddles, so I'm doing alot better at thinking of things that I usually get one or two answer from and that's it.
If the answer is not Midgar Zolom, is this character/thing one that we fight, or is it just part of a side story, like the Midgar Zolom was (after all, the midgar zolom had nothing to do with cloud & the gang at that point in time, it was only a view point.)
anyway, *Thinks*
Could it be GI Nattak... I'm just thinking like. (The boss before you see Seto.. the leader of the GI Tribe)
GI was in the cave that Seto was in, you could say he was protecting it as well as invading it. GI was undead, but still dead never the less. It was sort of in the presence of Seto as it was in the same cave, he was greater than most as he was a true warrior to his kind. and about the Name thing/master I have no idea.
Time for some line-by-line analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForestOwl
"In the presence of greatness"
Self-explanatory, although what it actually refers to remains to be seen.
"I stand and fight."
ForestOwl has noted that this characters either fights in battle, or otherwise stands against a powreful force, an example of which would be President Shinra.
"I am the protecter of hope"
According to ForestOwl, this character did fight to protect someone else.
"Though I'm devoid of light."
Seems to be a critical line. This could suggest that the character has dark or ignoble tendencies, or it could reference the character's death, or it could refer to a physical condition (the slums of Midgar, for example, are blocked from sunlight by the Plate).
"'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'"
Needs to be understood within the context of the next line....
"A phrase that I stand by no longer."
This suggests, of course, that the above character has died, a fact which has already been confirmed.
"My name is what you need"
Self-explanatory. The context of 'need', however, has yet to be established. This could refer to anything from a password, to this individual granting the party access to somewhere, to a number of other possibilities.
"A name given by those my master made bleed."
ForestOwl has said that the name refers both to the character and to a larger concept. It also seems that the master or leader of said individual has wronged or otherwise upset some group or entity.
Now, if the character dies early on, I'm going to assume that the character dies before the party reaches the second continent. In that case, the death must take place at one of a variety of locations: Midgar, Kalm, Nibelheim (via the flashback, maybe. I don't really like this since it takes place in the past, and is an altered version of events, anyway), the Chocobo Farm, Mythril Mine, For Condor, Lower Junon, Junon, and the cargo ship. Logic, of course, points totally to Midgar.
A number of individuals die in Midgar. Notable are Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie; the inhabitants of the Sector 7 Slums; President Shinra; the train conductor (apparently); the Beginner's Hall group (some of their spirits can be seen, amusingly, in Junon); or any enemy that the party itself defeats.
I think it's either Biggs, Wedge, or Jessie, but I'm probably wrong. I know that there's something I'm overlooking at the moment.
It's possible that it could be Biggs, Wedge or Jessie, but she is looking for one character, and that riddle could refer to all three, as for mentioning President Shinra, your theory has made me look deeper into that thought.
He could be referred as the protector of hope as if you recall what he says in the meeting with the rest of the Shinra managers/staff, he says that no matter what the people will still gain hope from shinra if they promise to protect them. EVEN if their intentions are not clearly uncovered. You met him in the 5th reactor, then he dies about half an hour to an hour later depending on how quick you are in the game.
President Shinra had upset many for his misuse of mako and also for the nasty things he allowed to happen to innocent people. as for the master image, I am unsure.Quote:
Originally Posted by masamune1600
So I assume it could be president Shinra.
Any other guesses I have would have, would have been Tseng, Dyne or the Condor which dies ontop of the Fort Condor Reactor after you've defeated the Shinra Army
I'm not sure if this is even the name, and I can't fit the last line, but is it Dark Nation? If thats what I think it is my reasoning should be fairly obvious.
Dark Nation is correct if you're on about the dog that protects Rufus in the Shinra building. and it's quite a good guess, as he is always protecting Rufus with barriers and magic barriers but only he ends up dead. good one phoenix, if its right that is.
PhoenixAsh is right! The answer was Dark Nation.
"In the presence of greatness
I stand and fight.(Fights alongside Rufus)
I am the protecter of hope(For the Shinra Inc he was their hope of finding the Promised Land and completing the Neo-Midgar plan)
Though I'm devoid of light.(Reference to 'Dark')
'What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger'(You receive a Guard Source and a Protect Vest upon defeating Rufus and Dark Nation)
A phrase that I stand by no longer.(Dark Nation is now dead)
My name is what you need(You need the answer to the riddle)
A name given by those my master made bleed."(Residents of Midgar and Kalm may see Shinra's oppression as having created a dark nation in which they now live)
PhoenixAsh's turn now.
I am the protecter of hope(For the Shinra Inc he was their hope of finding the Promised Land and completing the Neo-Midgar plan) <-- I hope that was in reference to Rufus and not Dark Nation, as there's nothing said in the game that Dark Nation is actually needed other than to protect Rufus in that one battle.
Okay, I'm still a bit rusty, but I'll give a riddle a go.
From rags to riches he went,
To what could hold the cup of Midas.
As a champion,
He stood against the rain.
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears.
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away.
Who to?
This might be easy, it might be hard, the key is to understanding exactly what the riddle is asking.
Is it Dyne?
Is it Dio giving the temple key to Cloud?
I think it may have been Dyne BUT the answer is asking who did they give their treasure to. If it is Dyne, he gave Barret the amulet/necklace which Dyne treasured. Therefore the answer would be Barret.
As for the "temple key" it's actually a Keystone. Not a key =)
Since Dio/Cloud and Dyne/Barret (the two responses which seem most likely) have already been suggested, I'll propose that the answer is Cid and Shera. Riches could refer to his position as a great pilot, and his eminence at becoming, potentially, the first person in space. He would have been a champion at the moment of his seeming triumph, as the rocket prepared for launch--except that Shera was still making adjustments. Had he gone through with the launch, Shera would have been killed. Thus, he ended it, effectively failing. Thus, he gave away his dream to Shera.
Sorry, no ones really got close to the answer yet. There me have been some thinking in the area, but I need some explanations. Read the riddle much more carefully.
Shot in the dark:
Nanaki?
Seto sounds like the champion... and there was a tear reference... I dunno...
From rags to riches he went,
To what could hold the cup of Midas.
As a champion,
He stood against the rain.i tkink this refers to seto as when you first see him it is raining
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears.he was turned to stone and could only cry
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away.he left his limeted moon headdress to his son nanaki
:shoot:
Sorry, nice thinking, but not right. Seriously I don't usually put in lines that aren't relevant to the riddle.
It's definitely got something to do with the Gold Saucer. "riches" makes me think of Gold Saucer. Wiping tears makes me think of the tissues you get for losing in the battle square.
Most of the riddle seems to be describing someone who goes from North Corel to the Gold Saucer and fights in the Battle Square, though I'm not sure about the rain part. I can't believe the answer is not Barret. Dyne does what the riddle talks about, then he gives Barret a pendant.
If I'm way off, I needs hints.
All I can think of is the legend of Midas, in which case I would obviously answer the river Pactolus. But this isn't Greek mythology, this is FFVII. And I can't think of anything with a gold gift per se except for Gold Chocobos or the Gold Saucer.
The Dio/Cloud and Dyne/Barret solutions occured to me immediately, and I am also swayed by Seto/Nanaki. If all these are incorrect, I would have to suggest Hojo/Sephiroth - you fight him while it's raining on the Sister Ray, and he gives his gift - Mako energy - to Sephiroth (or tries to).
oh, Sephiroth's a great guess. I'm not sure how that ties into the first two lines, though.
riches, the Kalm traveller? from rags to riches = when cloud fights the weapons you take them to the Kalm traveller because he "needs" them (they are rare too so they can be classed as riches) then in return, he gives you a Gold Chocobo. so I believe it's the Kalm traveller giving the chocobo to Cloud & the gang.
Weimar, has been the closest so far, but has taken the whole riddle too literally. Some parts are literal, some are less so.
EDIT: Although I personally think it might make the riddle harder, I'll suggest for the possible sake of accuracy, that you can read line four as
'he stood against the elements'.
Odin?
"From rags to riches he went / to what could hold the cup of Midas."Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixAsh
This line would seem to imply that the character in question successfully rose from poverty or something similar to a position of affluence (or the like). It's unclear whether this is the same step, or a totally different one from "To what could hold the cup of Midas", but that doesn't really matter. The "cup of Midas" seems an allusion to gold, suggesting that the Gold Saucer is at play in the riddle. Obviously Corel/Desert Prison and/or North Corel could be the "rags", although this could also refer to a number of other locales or situations.
"As a champion / He stood against the rain."
PhoenixAsh has noted that, although it might make the riddle more difficult, the fourth line can be stated more accurately as "He stood against the elements." While one could take this to refer to Fire, Ice, Lightning, and the like, the previous use of "rain" (which is said to be easier, anyway) suggests that "elements" simply refers to climatological conditions (rain, wind, snow, whatever). In any case, the character in question, as a champion of some sort, stood against said elements.
"As a failure / All he could do was wipe his tears."
These lines suggest one of two things. The first is that neither success nor failure is guaranteed; one or the other could happen. This could play to a Battle Square reading of the riddle. Alternatively, the champion/failure references could suggest that the individual was successful at one point, and not successful at some other time. Wiping tears could be figurative, suggesting that our mystery character had no recourse to seek after failing. Taken literally, the line states that, having failed, the character was reduced to tears.
"But he was not a selfish man / He gave his gift away."
The character gave something away. This could really refer to any transition of an item or concept, although "not...selfish" and "gave" suggest that said gift was really given, as opposed to being part of a mutual transaction (which would discount someone like the Kalm traveller, who did receive the Guide Book, Earth Harp, and Desert Rose in return for his gifts).
Also, note that the pronoun "he" was used throughout the riddle. The character in question is male, although the gender of the answer is obviously dependent upon this central character.
I'm not sure how to put this together, though, since my reading is leading me back to Dio. It could, I suppose, refer to the buggy, or a number of other Gold Saucer prizes, as opposed to the Keystone, but I think PhoenixAsh would have suggested that the Keystone guess was close if this were the case. For the sake of putting forward a guess, I'll say the kidin the Sector 6 Slums, giving the Turbo Ether to Cloud, although I don't really have any confidence in it.
Very good work from masamune1600 until the Midgar kid guess. The end of the riddle needn't be read into too deeply, I'm actually surprised noone has got this yet, this isn't my hardest riddle by quite a way. I'll just give the answer in a few more guesses, as people really are close.
When you get to the that cottage at the base of Mt. Gaia, Holzoff tells you the story of his climbing days.
He and his friend were climbing but underestimated the harsh weather. To allow Holzoff to survive, his friend cut his rope to lessen the weight on Holzoff.
I don't get your answer, Mercen-X, but that would be cool if you're right.
Why would that be cool?
Hey PhoenixAsh! You said you'd give the answer after a few guesses. I suggest you do this by opening a new thread. I think 2000 was a high enough post and it's since gone beyond that. If anyone manages to guess the answer, I suggest they make their new riddle in another thread. Just a suggestion.
this riddle has me reduced to tears :crying:
all possible answers that i can think of are gone and all impossible ones dont fit in with the riddle
:shoot:
Marlene . . .
Sephiroth . . .
Well I quite like the post count, but either way if someone wants to kick off a new thread, I'll answer in here for some consistency though. Really surprised noone got this...
From rags to riches he went, (North Corel to Gold Saucer)
To what could hold the cup of Midas. (What else would you use to hold Midas' cup BUT a gold saucer? Man I crack myself up :D )
As a champion,
He stood against the rain. (These refer to winning the Parasol in the Speed Square)
As a failure,
All he could do was wipe his tears. (This refers to getting a Tissue for losing)
But he was not a selfish man,
He gave his gift away. (All the lines point to the Gold Saucer and it's prizes, if you've got this far then the only 'gift' this riddle talks about is the Parasol, which is given to AERIS)
So yeah, Aeris is the answer, once you cracked the Gold Saucer hints, I didn't think that would be much of a problem... Oh well, guess I need to keep toning down :P .
That riddle had nothing to do with the parasol or Aeris. Sorry. I'm gonna start a new thread now. Look for FF7 Riddles Part Trois! I'm sorry, that's actually Part Deux!
I'll miss this thread.
Yeah I don't really see why we need a new one, but whatever. I also stand by that riddle unless other people think it was bad. I often admit that my riddles are hard, but I actually don't think I made that one vague at all...
I think we would have gotten there with a few more posts. All someone had to do was make the final connection between rain and the Umbrella.
Y'know, we COULD just keep posting in this one. And I think your riddle was legit.
Thanks guys, appreciate that.
I won't let this thread die!
"I am the first and the last.
I am the alpha and the gamma."
I guess it is time.
New riddles thread.