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07-23-2005, 07:33 PM
Squall of SeeD

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

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For further evidence of this, note that when one of them falls in battle, if not quickly resuscitated, they will be absorbed into time. This is because the link between them is broken. While their friends are still continuing to focus on them, they are no longer reciprocating that and the bond that holds them outside of Time Compression is undone and they are absorbed."

This is proofed wrong in the end because Squall is not absorbed into time and Rinoa is able to bring him back.

Future, Ultimecia had been beaten at that point. All that she had wrought to the timeline was being undone.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

And despite my theories not being theories they fit the storyline.ALL the storyline.

Except the one we see in the game.
07-23-2005, 07:43 PM
ThroneofDravaris

Wait, the horse seems to be slightly stirring: LET’S BEAT IT SOME MORE!

Seriously, why is this thread still alive?
07-23-2005, 08:03 PM
Future Esthar

Even so the fact that they get absorbed into time proves nothing.
By the way if Time Compression is finishing why is it that it only finishes when Rinoa appears.Isn´t that a great coincidence?I always see it as Rinoa being responsible for TC finishing.Am I wrong?
07-23-2005, 08:14 PM
Christmas

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

A theory is right until someone proof it wrong.I don´t know why you say they were wrong.You have to tell me why.

Not really, mine interpretation is different from Squall of SeeD or maybe also Del.

A theory is neutral in a sense that it is neither right non wrong until it is shown, discussed and proven that either it is right or wrong. (I interpret it myself, not from some books or any sources :D )

Like out of 10 people, 7 agreed and 3 disagreed which have valid points and not just personal grudge against the theorist, I will said that this theory need to be revised but if the result is 10 out of 10 disagreed then there is a big problem with this theory which is what is happening now.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

A keyword:Time Compression (or WOTC-Well organized time compression).
You need to understand what I said as a whole.

This is what the game which you said is lie say about Time Compression:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8...sion3ub.th.png

Let's see what you have to say

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

This is what you don´t seem to understand.This will help you see how my theories can fit the story
I don´t contradict the story.I just add things.
Some of my theories happen outside Time Compression
Edea=Ulti->outside WOTC.
The orphanage gang+Edea were a dinasty ruling Centra->outside WOTC
Laguna=Vascaroon->outside WOTC
He,Kyros and Ward were guardians of the Centra castle during Ulti´s time->outside WOTC

Ya. We have propagators in human form wielding gunblade and falling in love with other propagator.

Like I said in my previous post, there is no saying there is a dynasty ruling Centra nor Kiros and Wards are guardians.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

And despite my theories not being theories they fit the storyline.ALL the storyline.

Any Fanfiction can fit into the storyline but they are not the truth.
And the Long post that I made pointed out a lot of things that dun fit in the "original" storyline that is, but maybe not your "storyline".

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Vascaroon fell in love with Ulti->outside WOTC
Rinoa try to find Squall at the flower field of her castle->outside WOTC

I must say you just dig out every single minor character and really make the full good use of them....
07-23-2005, 09:34 PM
NeoTifa

i never thought too much into the subject, myself, but me and bri came up with a few wild theories back in the day. im still convinced that squall cheated on rinoa w/ quistis and rinoa went berserk and killed all the seeds and turned against the world and was trying to use her time compression to eliminate her ever meeting squall in the first place. then she used something of an empty shell, shapeshifter or anything of the such (like a boggart) and used her hatered for squall to turn his little "hero" against him, to make him suffer even more. (you know, the feeling i get when sephiroth tries to kill me in 7 or kh ;_;). just a wild theory that supports r=u. dont think me crazy. my mind goes wild sometimes during english class >.> lol.
07-23-2005, 09:42 PM
Future Esthar

Had sent you a PM Unknowns.
07-23-2005, 10:01 PM
NeoTifa

sry. i still think my theory is correct :riiight:
07-24-2005, 05:42 AM
Christmas

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Originally Posted by Squall Of SeeD

For further evidence of this, note that when one of them falls in battle, if not quickly resuscitated, they will be absorbed into time. This is because the link between them is broken. While their friends are still continuing to focus on them, they are no longer reciprocating that and the bond that holds them outside of Time Compression is undone and they are absorbed."

But just let me say something. Why didn't anyone get absorbed in time when they fall in a random counter in Ultimecia Castle during a random battle but during the showdown with Ultimecia?

From what I know, when they first step into Ultimecia's castle, the bond must be there from what you say, isn't it?

Let's have a look at this quote:

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Originally Posted by Ultimecia

Ultimecia: ...SeeD... SeeD......SeeD...... SeeD, SeeD, SeeD! Kurse all SeeDs.
Swarming like lokust akross generations. You disgust me. The world was
on the brink of that ever-elusive 'time compression'. Insolent fools!
Your vain krusade ends here, SeeDs. The price for your meddling is
death beyond death. I shall send you to a dimension beyond your
imagining. There, I will reign, and you will be my slaves for eternity.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Whom shall I exterminate first!? I'll start with you
three!

She mention something about sending them somewhere horrible and started to exterminate them one by one then those that fall got absorbed.

So I reckon that when someone fall in battle during the showdown with Ultimecia get absorbed into the so called "dimension beyond your imagination" which is done by Ultimecia herself?

Correct me if I am wrong.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Even so the fact that they get absorbed into time proves nothing.

Ya, then why do they absorbed? You dun see your chars get absorbed into time in a random encounter in a world map?

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Let's just said why were
By the way if Time Compression is finishing why is it that it only finishes when Rinoa appears.Isn´t that a great coincidence?I always see it as Rinoa being responsible for TC finishing.Am I wrong?

Cause "Eyes on me" is gonna play :D
Rinoa finally found Squall but he ended up "dead" in the time compressed god know where.
Then Eyes on Me played then the scene changed to the flower field and blah blah blah....Basically it something to fit into the ending.

Alright, I think it is best for Squall of SeeD to answer it himself.

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Originally Posted by yuki_hitaru

i never thought too much into the subject, myself, but me and bri came up with a few wild theories back in the day. im still convinced that squall cheated on rinoa w/ quistis and rinoa went berserk and killed all the seeds and turned against the world and was trying to use her time compression to eliminate her ever meeting squall in the first place. then she used something of an empty shell, shapeshifter or anything of the such (like a boggart) and used her hatered for squall to turn his little "hero" against him, to make him suffer even more. (you know, the feeling i get when sephiroth tries to kill me in 7 or kh ;_. just a wild theory that supports r=u. dont think me crazy. my mind goes wild sometimes during english class >.> lol.

You just can't see the truth can't you? Let me tell you the truth then.

Rinoa realize Squall is gay then ran off with Seifer. Squall is furious and ran after them then cornered them. Squall then expressed his true love to Seifer and the two of them got together. Rinoa sworned to get revenge on the two men that cheated on her and became Ultimecia which is caused by her grief,hatred,anger, sorrow and the misuse of black magic.

So she controlled Seifer as a puppet to toy him around and made Squall & Seifer fight each other to get her sweet revenge. Also, to compress time to eliminate everything. :D
07-24-2005, 08:22 AM
Squall of SeeD

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

Even so the fact that they get absorbed into time proves nothing.
By the way if Time Compression is finishing why is it that it only finishes when Rinoa appears.Isn´t that a great coincidence?I always see it as Rinoa being responsible for TC finishing.Am I wrong?

Time Compression never finished, Future....

Ultimecia was defeated. It was stopped. The world was restored in that scene with Squall and Rinoa, not squished into a ball with the rest of time and sucked into Ultimecia.
07-24-2005, 11:55 PM
Future Esthar

You didn´t answered my question.
By finished I mean stopped.
But why is it it just stopped when Rinoa appears.
The game gives the impression that Rinoa stopped it just by hanging Squall in her arms and crying.
And Unknowns presented a counter argument to your theory.
Answer her.
07-25-2005, 12:54 AM
Kamiko

Well, hey, here's an idea, let's over analyze CG animated characters!
07-25-2005, 03:09 AM
Squall of SeeD

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Originally Posted by Unknowns

But just let me say something. Why didn't anyone get absorbed in time when they fall in a random counter in Ultimecia Castle during a random battle but during the showdown with Ultimecia?

From what I know, when they first step into Ultimecia's castle, the bond must be there from what you say, isn't it?

Because the random encounters aren't storyline battles and -- as far as the storyline is concerned -- don't necessarily take place. For that matter, all the characters are coded to be present standing before Ultimecia when the final battle begins.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

You didn´t answered my question.
By finished I mean stopped.
But why is it it just stopped when Rinoa appears.

It was stopped before she appeared. It was stopped the moment she was defeated. Squall wasn't lost in ever-advancing Time Compression. He was lost in time itself due to his difficulty accepting his need for others as easily as everyone else did.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

The game gives the impression that Rinoa stopped it just by hanging Squall in her arms and crying.

No, it doesn't. It gives the impression that she brought him back from where he was lost at that moment.

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Originally Posted by Future Esthar

And Unknowns presented a counter argument to your theory. Answer her.

You're not one to tell someone else to answer Unknowns' -- or anyone else's for that matter -- questions, Future, what with you ignoring most every question posed to you.
07-25-2005, 03:40 AM
Beclem

This thread is gold. Pure gold. Some of the shít you guys are coming up with is fúcking hilarious.

Btw, who the hell is Vasacroon!?
07-25-2005, 10:35 AM
Sir Bahamut

To read about The Legend of Vascaroon, check this link:

http://www.geocities.com/aarinfantasy4/guideint3a.jpg
07-25-2005, 11:10 AM
Future Esthar

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No, it doesn't. It gives the impression that she brought him back from where he was lost at that moment.

So if there were not a Time Compression in the end you are saying that Rinoa time travels?But that´s impossible isn´t it?
But if she doesn´t then Squall remains on the same era.Rinoa only takes you to a different place.

By the way I thought almost everyone here believed that Time Compression takes place on that scene.Are you saying people were wrong?

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