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i totaly agre with you. our country has been @$$-wholes to so many other countries its not funny. if i could do something about it i certanly would, but not being a legal adult i cant even vote. but still, i think anger towards america is well justified.
"You seek to fix the problems of America by destroying life and its corollaries, economic and civil freedoms. You would take away the misery that America places on the rest of the world and contain it to America. It's disgraceful."
no i seek to fix the problems of the world in not so much that way. but i would limit america's power in every respect. to shave off a small amount of it's huge wealth and gluttony to feed the starving and appease the angry. not destroy but to limit it to what it should be. like everyone else.
You want to lower America to the world's level?
I am sorry but too many people are thinking too highly of themselves here, just because some people have different views and beliefs doesnt make them necessarily wrong -_-; Some people have no belief in America having any virtue, and true or not i can see why some people do.
I like America stepping down a notch too, they been up there too long thinking they can do what they want.
"You want to lower America to the world's level?" yes why should a country guilty of war crimes and human rights abuses be on a higher pinnacle than anyone else?
Let's ask a socialist welfare state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
(Fighting fire with fire, here).
no lets ask the world's most aggressive country.
This is getting ridiculous..-_-
The point is that i still do not like how america justifies everything they do, war crime, police brutality when it isnt justified. and i am pretty sure i do side with Cloud No 9 NOT because she is some socialist, but because i do agree that America do push things very far in people's faces.
The attitude in which you addressed "socialist" doesnt make you any better as well. -_-
that's it i warned you all before but none of you took heed. lionx i need your address so i can come round to your house and kneecap you for calling a girl when i am MALE!!!!!
all socialists are evil. fact. there is no way but the american way. fact. anything that is anti-american isn't worth knowing. fact. america can't be wrong. fact. about anything ever. fact. this is all lies. fact.
there is another way.
I don't think all socialists are evil, nor do I think all communists are. I do, however, think that they are all either ignorant or naive as all hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Actually, I don't think America is smart enough to be wrong about anything ever. Unlike countries ruled by dictators or other totalitarian regimes, America has no fixed viewpoint about anything. If you can find two Americans who agree about everything always, I will be amazed. The whole point of our system is that we don't all agree about things. Therefore, we can't all be wrong about something, because we don't all agree about that something.
"America has no fixed viewpoint about anything." it has. it's called the government. that one thing that has dragged your country close to the edge of hatred by most of the worlds population.
Our government never really agrees on anything either. The Senate bickers among itself, the House bickers among itself, both bicker with the President...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
they failed to ratify kyoto, agreed on an illegal war, allow the treatment of humans in guantanamo to persist, over rule the un, failed to act on the g8, failed to prevent disaster in niger. they agreed on all this.
Everything that the opposers say is so very, very hypocrtical... Anyone else sick of reading this thread?
I have seen a few good points brought up wheere we are found for war crimes, but blasphomy. It seems that more of the world would rather argue than fix things.
I guess we are kina assholes huh? The kurds hate us, the people of Isreal hate us - hell even the japanese hate us too :rolleyes2 My god - what has this country done that is good?
You know, look at things from multiple prespectives guys. There are two sides to actions. The isrealites lost their country to violence many years ago. Some one took it over, and we aided them in getting a country back. You can say that we are the greediest people in the world, but we are not. Sure we are powerful enough to cover our bases, but we are not taking over the world and plundering countries like many factions of the past.
Before you call evil, make sure you look at situations as a whole. And yes, using isreal as an example, we opened a door to the middle east. But we don't control Isreal impicitly. Also it cost us money to do this, it seems as though some spoils of doing the work might be due as a gesture of kindness. You know... kindness - it still exists in the world - even though many disbane it and say its all political now. Kindness should always be reterned.
Bipper
No it doesn't.Quote:
You know... kindness - it still exists in the world
I haven't been following this debate, but I will say this. No one country, given the power that America has, would do anything morally. Yeah, America is incredibly immoral and we have done some incredibly inexcusable things (especially over the last four years) but if ANY of you are stupid enough to believe that your country would act differently... well, all I can say is that you are an idiot.