The northern cave, with Sephy's big barrier thing? =]
--Little effort.
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The northern cave, with Sephy's big barrier thing? =]
--Little effort.
The world can be a dangerous place
And safety sometimes found in the strangest of places.
But beware--time can be fleeting, the answer puzzling:
Solving my riddle may involve a circuitous effort.
the temple of the ancients. the monsters there are stronger than anything found so far, the little guys hide in the highest rooms. "time" and "puzzling" probably referring to the clock puzzle, with certain doors leading you back to where you first started.
Neither guess is correct. I like ph0£n!x's reasoning, but it doesn't quite take into account the entire riddle. The riddle is deliberately vague, but keep in mind that every line is, in one way or another, important.
I thikn this is the event when you go into the rocketship with Cid and have to do that password combination on the key panel thing to open the container with the huge materia
The world can be a dangerous place--- the place is gonna be destroyed
And safety sometimes found in the strangest of places.--- in space
But beware--time can be fleeting, the answer puzzling:--- you run out of time quickly trying to figure out the password
Solving my riddle may involve a circuitous effort.--- well... it could have to do with the O button, and how u have to circle thru answers, idk
Masamune you going to answer ? if not then I'd say someone should write a riddle if he doesn't answer up til tomorrow.
shall we say a week (7 days) it's already been 4!
I'd say 5 days is more suitable. :/
My Guess is HP<->MP Materia.
hey Lenna, would u mind if I borrow your big riddle about FFVII's storyline for a while? I wanna introduce it to some of my friends, you know, it's really something...interesting. Thanks anyway!
Does anyone else have a riddle that I can solve *smiles brightly* Oh n btw..Hiya!! I'm new!! *winks n waves*
As long as I'm given credit for it then go ahead. It took alot of work that one did.Quote:
Originally Posted by trepiesfriend
OK, did Masamune die or something??? lol
Maybe he lost his internet connection or somthing
OK...i'll hazard a riddle.
A cool head wont help this fight,
Use rage to get your end.
My chilling temprament can be hard to bear,
A fearsome stature I do have,
Yet few fear me at first,
My mechanized power shall show clearest truth -
I am stronger than you.
just a guess here but... the fighting machiene in the gold saucer?
i'm going to guess proud clod
btw i did send masamune a PM on the 4th day and it has been 8 days so i think thi is totally fair.
i was thinking the end battle with Sephy
A cool head wont help this fight,
Use rage to get your end
- you use a lmit Break to kill him, this could be interpreted as rage
My chilling temprament can be hard to bear
- Sephy knew what he wanted to do and stuck to it and a metoer hitting the Earth can be pretty chilling
A fearsome stature I do have
-He was Sephiroth, one of the most powerful and evil people alive
Yet few fear me at first
-Sephiroth was first known as a great soldier and many people still thought of him as that even after the whole deal of burning down Nibelheim
My mechanized power shall show clearest truth
still not sure about this one...
I am stronger than you.
Cloud was not strong enough to kill him completly as he comes back in AC
-Gull-
All wrong
Is the fight in line one referring to an actual battle (random or otherwise) that takes place in the game? - never know with LN
LN uses most words metaphorically though Holy, so fight could mean battling mentally or physically
Not this one. Its an enemy, (real BIG hint there)
is it that icicle guy before the two headed dragon?
Nope.
i was gonna say godo but then i read mechanized.
i'm going to guess carry armour
Nope...although, mechanized cant just be taken as a Shinra machine.
a ice golem??
Damnit. Correct.
A cool head wont help this fight, - Need fire to beat him
Use rage to get your end. - Ditto
My chilling temprament can be hard to bear, - Icey attacks
A fearsome stature I do have, - Well...if he wasnt so short, he looks tough
Yet few fear me at first, - Short thing
My mechanized power shall show clearest truth -
I am stronger than you. - Clearest, a reference to ice, and he is statistically higher HP than you, on yer own. Also...golems are machines, animated by magic.
ok heres mine tis easy cuz i aint that smart:
I'll turn your world upside down,
Two heads are indeed better than one,
i huff,i puff,
then your done
who/what am i??
I'll turn your world upside down,
Two heads are indeed better than one,
i huff,i puff,
then your done
Schizo? they use quake3, it has 2 heads, looks like a dragon, and you fight it?
Typoon.
typhon summon
literally does turn the world upside down
has 2 heads, one at front and back
is a wind element i think, causes a tornado anyway
not sure bout the last line
DAM!!!!!:mad2: lol well dun m8 i know it was to easy and the last line meant that your done receiving pain
Endless Twilight got that.
talking to ET on msn, he said i could go ahead and take it. such a nice guy :D
born in a fallen eden
raised on spite
helping those similar
with actions, no words
plz post ur reasoning as well. tia
Devils, Endless Twilight got that.
I said d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x could take this riddle. I'm not at a stage to guess yet.
wow this topic got big lol :D
time for a riddle woot!
you will find me in the desert under gold saucer
if you get lost i will aid you
i'am no weapon nor monster
who or what am i
when you get chucked down the hole in gold saucer to that strange place where dyno is i think when he jumps of the cliff and you can go out into the desert there is something there but what is it
The chocobo cart.
The desert prison if you walk out into the desert, and you walk too far, you will get the chocobo cart picking you up, and returning you to the entrance of where you first arrive.
you shouldn't have put that last bit. It made it far too easy.
Hol on, wernt we on d£v!l'$ ph0£n!xs riddle?
correct yea i should not have but not many people know of it
anywot back to mine :D
i can't believe anyone has yet to guess in 3 days!!! :O even the great lenna, ET, and LN!
shock horror! :D
Sorry man, a wee bit busy. When I can. But, is it the ancients in the Temple?
i think its just the ancients, mainly cuz they forgot to talk
nope sorry wrong so far.
here's the riddle again to save u all scrolling
born in a fallen eden
raised on spite
helping those similar
with actions, no words
and again plz post ur reasoning, not that i'll hold it against you if u don't :D
Is it the Knights of the Round Summon?
born in a fallen eden--- its like in a black abyss that ur enemies fall into
raised on spite--- all elements?
helping those similar--- they're all knights
with actions, no words--- they just attack
nope sorry try again
I think it's barret:)
born in a fallen eden- Barrets town was once great, it was destroyed.
raised on spite- Barret hates Shinira.
helping those similar- he helps the poor people of midar by setting up avalanche.
with actions, no words- Barret likes to use his gun!:D
sorry but no
i'll give u a hint:
- you have to draw on something outside the game (i.e in this world) for one line in the riddle
ok i know it's not a great help but i'll post one that#'ll make it a little easier after a couple more guesses.
Hades summon
born in a fallen eden--- mako is in the planet, and then condensed to form materia
raised on spite--- you need magic to summon him
helping those similar--- he has a humanoid skeletal figure, like people in your party
with actions, no words--- like other summons, he doesn't talk
nope sorry try again
Is it Jenova/Jenova's Cells?
born in a fallen eden--- ya
raised on spite--- evil
helping those similar--- anyone with her cells
with actions, no words--- as kadaj says 'mothers going to tell me' tho she doesnt talk, and im not sure if i remember but i think she was a Cetra/Ancient, so she would have forgot to talk but i think im wrong w/e
sorry no, but i would like to commend you for haveing so much enthusiasm :D
i'll give you all another hint, a good one this time
HINT: - It's an NPC
I think that the answer is Seto.
sorry no try again.
i'll post the riddle again with all hints so far to save you scrolling
Born in a fallen eden
raised on spite
helping those similar
with actions, no words
hints:
- you have to draw from something in this world for part of the riddle
- it's an NPC
and i'll say again, PLZ POST YOUR REASONING! :D
do summons count as NPC??
You dont play as them, so yes, they are technically NPCs. For a given value of NPC.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennypuff231
ya, i kno, but some people consider them not to be, and some dont, idk, it depends on pheonix's view
go on then i'll give you another hint
HINT: it's not a summon :D
I have 2 quesions.
1) Drawing on something in this world is for the "Born in a fallen eden" right?
2)By 'no words' do you mean that they dont speak any line at all in the game (i would think they just have actions speaking louder than words)
darn you d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x, darn you!!!!! lol just kiddin :D
Ruby Weapons tentacle/hand things?
Born in a fallen eden--- its in the desert beneath Gold Saucer
raised on spite--- they want to kill you
helping those similar--- the other one, and Ruby itself
with actions, no words--- they dont talk
to answer the questions
1. getting something from this world is not the "born in a fallen eden" line
2. no, it just doesn't speak after "helping those similar"
and no it's not ruby's tentacles
I'm just going analyze.
Born in a fallen eden - Could mean a lot of things. We just know that the NPC was born assumably in a state or place which was once great, but "fallen" may refer to the fact that it's not what it used to be.
raised on spite - It's assumed that the NPC was raised in a life of seeing others suffer maliciously.
helping those similar - Perhaps the NPC lived a life of only trusting people that he was familiar with, or people that are like him in certain ways.
with actions, no words - Pretty self-explanitory. It doesn't necessarily mean that the NPC doesn't talk, but it means he helps those who are similar to him by acting. Therefore, words are insignificant in his or her case.
"Born in a fallen eden" has me stumped the most, because of its possible meanings.
BTW, I have no guess, I was just analyzing.
actually G spotz is pretty much there. 2 1/2 lines of his analysis are right. i'm not gonna tell you which ones tho :D
Is the actions and words line the one related to our world. Asin is it related to the player? Maybe the characters ingame help them out at one point, but the player controls it with actions, and we don't speak to them so is that a possibility?
Has anyone guesed Dio? If not, I will.
i keep thinking that the Fallen Eden represents the Centra and the ancients, they were great but now are non existant like, soz, no real guess here, just seeing if this will help anyone =)
-Gull-
to lenna: no the actions n words line isn't to do with this world. you don't control the actions and you do talk to them. i think i understood what you mean, tell me if i didn't.
abrojtm, sorry the answer's not Dio
and gullick, you're going in the wrong direction
hint: the fact that the last line says "NO words" and not "NOT words" is important
So that means they do speak but more actions than words.
i'm trying to figure how i can phrase this without making it too obvious. they ("they" being the answer from now on, but the answer is just one person) do speak but also jump to action to "help those similar", and as a result of which have no words. *hoping not to have made this too obvious*
post again if still confuzzled
I'm going to have to say Reeve.
Born in a fallen eden - may refer to the fact that he works for Shinra which is a successful industry, but "evil" (thus, fallen) in a sense.
Raised on spite - As an employee of Shinra, Reeve has gone through life seeing the evil of Shinra grow.
Helping those similar - "Similar" is an odd term for this, but let's just say Reeve is helping those who think like him. Reeve knows what Shinra has been doing is wrong, so he wants to help Cloud and Co. as they think the same way as him.
With actions, no words - Reeve controls Cait Sith, and in various cases, has Cait Sith do the dirty work. He betrays Shinra and acts to help Cloud and Co., instead of telling them where they can go and what they can do.
Don't spam, and don't try to promote other threads in this thread. Especially as it has no bearing on the thread.
~Void
ty void :)
sorry GS not reeve
i gotta give it to ya , this is an ard one...
(another clue =D?)
-Gull-
Ok here’s everything given so far and a new hint
Riddle:
Born in a fallen eden,
Raised on spite,
Helping those similar,
With actions, no words
Hints:
- You have to draw on something outside the game (i.e in this world) for one line in the riddle
- It’s an NPC
- It’s not a summon
- getting something from this world is not the “born in a fellen eden” line
- it does speak but just not after “helping those similar”
- getting something from this world is not the “with actions, no words” line
- the “fallen eden” doesn’t represent the ancients or the cetra . . . and yes I know these are the same thing
- the answer does speak but jumps into action to “help those similar” and as a result of which have “no words”
Incorrect guesses so far:
The ancients in the temple
The ancients
Knights of the round summon
Barret
Hades summon
Jenova
Jenova cells
Seto
Ruby WEAPON’s tentacles
Dio
Reeve
NEW HINT:
- you have to draw on something from this world for the “helping those similar” line
also see G Spotz analysis here (post 2463 if youdon’t want to wait for it to load)--> http://forums.eyesonff.com/showpost....postcount=2463
also as an extra hint (I spoil you guys! :D) I’m going to say that the 1st, 3rd and 4th lines of his analysis are correct
Ok you lot, this has merited my PERSONAL attention!
Born in a fallen eden, - according to G SpOtZ, a fallen great place. Ok, so - ancients temple, Gelnika, Rocket Town, Corral Valley, Corel, Wutai.
Raised on spite, - maybe...raised to hate? Sephy, again. The Shinra? Yuffie?
Helping those similar, - I'll look at Yuffie - she helps the crew, who share the trait of being unaccepted by Shinra, roving the world.
With actions, no words - Helps by joining. Fights alongside.
I'll go Yuffie for now.
How could the second line be wrong? The only other definition of spite I could think of is, "regardless of [something]".
The rest of the definitions are basically the same as the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
I guess that could mean that "raised on spite" may also have to do with growing up, and overcoming difficult obstacles of life.
EDIT: Lost Number, Yuffie is a playable character.
yeh one of the clues is that the answer is an NPC, so as GS sed its wrong
as YET ANOTHER hint i'll explain the 2nd line
- this character grew up around people full of spite for something, and they kept relaying that spite on the NPC
i can't believe this riddle is causing so much hassle, i thought of it when i was drunk :D
Ah, I get it. Best way to solve this is therefore to try again when I am drunk. *goes off*Quote:
Originally Posted by d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x
OK...so we have a NPC that gives the character an item, or something, says somethign to them, then either refuses to talk, or goes away. A rebel, a soldier.
is it a wepon
Iv just had a sudden Insparation! I think its Godo (Yuffies father)
here goes
Born in a fallen eden - he was born in Wutai which has been turned into a tourist attraction
Raised on spite - Wutai and the Shin Ra were at war: so he is bound to be spitful
Helping those similar - He helps Yuffie (the similaritys) by testing her and also giveing her the Leviathon materia
With actions, no words - Like I said above he tests Yuffie by fighting her
LN: wer'd u get the giving an item thing from. but anyway they do give you something and they do talk to you, tho very little beforehand . . .
~reno~: sorry no not godo, but ur reasoning's totally sound for godo :D
I was just looking through the game script, and happened to see this.
"TV Producer: Hmm… Better send that soldier something."
And just assuming he is from Junon, which could be thought of as a fallen eden seeing as it isnt what it once was because Shin-ra built that thing on top of it. (Maybe spiteful because of it?)
When Cloud is dressed as a soldier he would appear to be "similar" to the other soldiers and the producer. He never actually talks to you but gives you items.
So my guess is "TV Procucer."
I am just gonna say Zack for the heck of it.
Holymackeral, ur so close!!! but no . . .
Rydrobot, nope sorry
Well if HolyMackeral is close I think it's the other guy who talks with him!!Oh wait,I got to give my explaination but I think it's about the same as Holy's.
oh my god... i think i got it
a plain old shinra soldier
mainly thanks to holy mackerals reasoning and how you said it was sooo close!
the soldiers have jenova cells injected into them (fallen eden?),
making them want to kill kinda (raised on spite, includes the cells), they're like an army (helping those similar)
and they're just a regular like grunt type enemy, so they dont talk they only like shoot you (with actions, no words)
i seriously think and hope this is it... haha :D
nah sorry both wrong. maybe i shudn't have sed "so close" but he was close
Oh oh oh, is it Mr. Dolphin hehe I know this MUST be right
Born in a fallen eden - see quote
Raised on spite - see quote
Helping those similar - cant really work this one out, unless Cloud is part fish roflQuote:
Originally Posted by Prisilla
With actions, no words - well it should be obvious, he doesnt speak as he is a dolphin but he does help =)
Edit: you were so close because that happens directly after the jumping thing with Mr. Dolphin =D
I'll take a wild stab in the dark and say the man at Fort Condor.
I think you've probably got it cracked there, although, I think that the helping those similar could be in reference to cloud etc helping Priscilla who obviously means alot to him. Therefore helping those who's helped him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Reno~
Or...it could be the man in red in Junon that teaches Cloud formations and such, when he pretends to be a a member of Shinra. (Before you sneak onto the cargo ship)
1. It's in Junon, which wasn't what it used to be.
2. Part of Shinra
3. He's a soldier and teaches other soldiers
4. Teaches moves/formations to soldiers
OMG! ~Reno~ is so close it's unbelieveable!!!! (perhaps i said too much :D)
and dragon mage, sorry wrong both times
Priscilla then for the same reasons as Mr. Dolphin?
I really think that helping those similar is either in reference to disliking the shinra, or helping others who's helped them?
CORRECT!!! the answer is priscilla. now i'll post what each line meant
born in a fallen eden --> "my parents told me this beach used to be beautiful when they were kids"
raised on spite --> "i was raised on that story and hated the shinra bercause of it"
helping those similar --> here is the part of bringing something from this world. the scientific name for a water-bound creatue, such as a dolphin for example, is a piscine (pronounced "pis-keen"), which looks similar to priscilla
with actions, no words --> tries to help mr. dolphin by running to help him and has no words afterwards because she isn't breathing
well it was fun while it lasted :D
ur turn lenna :D
i know you'll find this hard to believe but before i said the tv producer, i was actually thinking priscilla with the 'helping' being the giving of the shiva materia. This was obviously after realising the fallen eden was junon.
But well done to reno and to Lenna for the steal (kidding!) - Im looking forward to what you can come up with.
darn, I really thought I had it there for a moment.
Edit
Congrats, ~Reno~. Good luck with the riddle.
~Reno~ can have this one, he got the reasoning, and it was his in the first place :P
is one going to be posted? i want to know what these are like.
OK...I may take it. Im rusty, mind!
Darkness colluding,
A machination of doom.
Four Teutonic beasts of War.
Head on aint an option.
At the base of a memory
of startling aptness,
I block your way,
yet reward your passage.
Darkness colluding- sounds like smoke or some conspiricy
A mechinization of doom- I would say the Mako reactors....
4 tutonic beasts of war- pointing toward shinra in some way
Head on aint no option- Beats me!
At the base of a memory- Like the origin of a memory I think
Of startling aptness- Don't have a clue
I block your way yet reward your passage- this is definately pointing towards some type of monster......
I mean the first line to be 'working together'.
You are right with machine.
Thats why i refer to the teutons - or their modern counterparts. See the 5th and 6th line.
All wrong on the 5th and 6th line, btw.
Yes, it is.
It's the weapons, isn't it? ther's four(ultima, diamond, ruby and emerald)
They are machine like in appearnace, you crash into ultima, he drops ultima weapon, and ruby and emerald get you master materia and a gold chocbo.
At the base of a memory could refer to the fact that they come out of north crater, where there is an abundance of Lifestream there. The lifestream has a conection to memories in some way, though i may be thinking of ffix's crystal...
Nope, not THAt easy.
Working Together-Infiltrated the Cetra, worked with Sephiroth
A mechinization of doom-It was called the calamity
4 tutonic beasts of war- it has 4 forms, birth, life, death and synthesis
Head on aint no option- Jenova didn't have it's head on it's body
At the base of a memory- Jenova changed it's shape to accord with peoples memories
Of startling aptness- Jenova destroyed the Cetra by impersonating their dead relatives
I block your way yet reward your passage-you have to fight her often, but once you beat it, you get ifrit, wizard braclet reflect ring, and to beat sephiroth
Is it Jenova?
There are five weapons actually: Ultima, Ruby, Emerald, Diamond, and Sapphire. Sapphire is the one that attacks Junon and gets its head blown off by the sister ray.
I agree that the answer is Jenova btw
Wrong.
Darkness colluding, They work together
A machination of doom. Plot evilness
Four Teutonic beasts of War. There are four of them (Reno, Rude, Elena, and Tseng)
Head on aint an option. They block your way
At the base of a memory
of startling aptness, Vincent used to be one
I block your way, You have to fight them
yet reward your passage. You get stuff after they run off
Is it the Turks?
Wrong, nothing so obvious.
Does it have anything to do with the organization SOLDIER? I was just thinking of a lot of Cloud's memories and it seems to me that most of them have something to do with SOLDIER in some manner of speaking.
Wrong memories.
You wouldnt make it so easy as to be a boss monster would you LN?
I think the head on is in reference to back attacks.
Motorball?
Darkness colluding, - It's night-time in midgar when you fight him
A machination of doom. - created to destroy
Four Teutonic beasts of War. - it has 4 parts which you have to destroy
Head on aint an option. - you start off in a back attack situation
At the base of a memory - cloud being in shinra?
of startling aptness,
I block your way, - it's stopping you from continuing your journey out of midgar
yet reward your passage - if you beat him you pass and get reward from it.
Wrong. Its NOT a reference to back attacks - its a reference to a physical characteristic.
Darkness colluding does NOT refer to night time.
Yes, right on second line.
4 parts you have to destroy.
5th and 6th will be quite hard right now...leave them.
Sort of right on lats two lines.
Is it the Temple of the Ancients or the Black Materia? In a way it is created to destroy, as it summons Meteor, and you can't exactly fight the temple, which is where Cait Sith comes in. However, I'm not sure about how the four parts comes into play.
If you dont know how 4 parts come in, you have the wrong answer! WRONG.
Kinda sounds a little like Bizzaro Sephiroth, with all those parts - blocking Holy from coming and saving everyone from Meteor.
But that seems a little too simple.....
At first, I was going to say Carry Armor, but he only has 3 parts. T_T
However, now I'm going to guess that it's to do with the 5 pagoda god people that you have to fight with Yuffie.
Darkness colluding, - All members witness each others' fights.
A machination of doom. - The first four intend on defeating Yuffie, and prevent her from reaching the top of the Pagoda.
Four Teutonic beasts of War. - The first four, defending Godo, might be considered beats of ancient origin, and could have helped fight during the War of Wutai.
Head on aint an option. - To get to Godo, you must beat the first four 1 by 1.
At the base of a memory - "base" may refer to the "home" of Godo, as the Pagoda is his to rule, and "memory" may refer to the fact that Godo hasn't fought there in a long time.
of startling aptness, - Yuffie did not know her own father was the 5th god/beast that resided at the top of the Pagoda, but took it in quickly and fought him.
I block your way,
yet reward your passage - Both of these last two lines can refer to the first four individual Pagoda gods, as you are denied access to the next god if you do not beat the previous. Once you do beat one, s/he congratulates you and let's you move on.
It could also refer to Godo himself, as he (in a sense) blocks the reality of Yuffie's strength, and life. Reward may obviously refer to the prizes you recieve after defeating him.
Wrong. I can only say the second line is right, and the 1st line is right but not what I meant.
Teutonics is supposed to relate to those of ancient people, usually of German origin... so is there a significance to it specifically having to do with something German?
Correct.
The statue in Wutai? It's just a wild guess and I'm not really sure if there are 4 statues. But you do get a lot of goodies in the cave with the fire. (Reward?) Like I said it's a wild guess.
No.
Is it the sister ray, (im unsure if thats it's name) the one you fight in Midgar on the 2nd Disc?with Greeve and the other women.
No.
thinking bout the german tinig i think neibelheim is derived from german and i think ther are 4 of them so i'm going to say
the 4 sephiroth clones in niebelheim
Wrong. Niebelheim comes from the Danes, I think. Close.
The only thing I'm good at are wild guesses so that's all you're bound to get from me! and here's another one.
The huge materia? I believe there are 4 of them and you can get stuff from them, they're linked to reactors and were needed to power the cannon. That's my reasoning. I'm probably wrong.
...
I was stupid for even suggesting that, wasn't I?
Maybe you should hold off on wild guesses and actually take the riddle for what it is: a riddle.
You should probably think about it, because it's obviously thought out, and you aren't taking the hints into consideration. Wild guesses won't work this time, unless you guess through every possible answer in the game.
Hey, they're not completely wild guesses. I am taking the hints into consideration, it's just that this riddle has me quite confused. If you read my posts at all, you'll notice that I did list some reasons for why I thought such. I can get halfway to answering all the hints but not all of them. Such as, I don't understand how German, Wutai, reactors and the cannon all meet. I just don't. I'm just saying their wild guesses because I can't pull answers for all the hints and have them make sense right out of my ass, okay? So back off.
Close indeed. Derived from the name 'Niflheim', that being the realm of the dead in Norse mythology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lost Number
http://www.answers.com/topic/niflheim
Oh, well, I was fairly right. Also, who mentioned Wutai?
Dragon Mage did it :erm: anyway Niflheim was the elemental realm of ice and was there at the beginning of time along with Muspelheim for some reason it and Helheim are used inter-changably
I didn't mention Wutai first however. G SpOtZ did, as shown in the quote below.
This is LN's reply to the former post.Quote:
Darkness colluding, - All members witness each others' fights.
A machination of doom. - The first four intend on defeating Yuffie, and prevent her from reaching the top of the Pagoda.
Four Teutonic beasts of War. - The first four, defending Godo, might be considered beats of ancient origin, and could have helped fight during the War of Wutai.
Head on aint an option. - To get to Godo, you must beat the first four 1 by 1.
At the base of a memory - "base" may refer to the "home" of Godo, as the Pagoda is his to rule, and "memory" may refer to the fact that Godo hasn't fought there in a long time.
of startling aptness, - Yuffie did not know her own father was the 5th god/beast that resided at the top of the Pagoda, but took it in quickly and fought him.
I block your way,
yet reward your passage - Both of these last two lines can refer to the first four individual Pagoda gods, as you are denied access to the next god if you do not beat the previous. Once you do beat one, s/he congratulates you and let's you move on.
It could also refer to Godo himself, as he (in a sense) blocks the reality of Yuffie's strength, and life. Reward may obviously refer to the prizes you recieve after defeating him.
Since LN confirmed that Wutai had something to do with the riddle, I made that as my second guess. However, I was wrong. I went back and looked at the previous posts connected to this riddle. And this is what I found.Quote:
Wrong. I can only say the second line is right, and the 1st line is right but not what I meant.
LN said a number of times that the second line had something to do with a machine that is created to destroy. However, here he confirms G SpOtZ guessed and says that "A machination of doom" is actually people, not a machine. This does not make sense and I am a little confused. LN, can you please explain? Because this will throw people off when trying to solve this riddle.
Oh, im so sorry!
A machination of doom - a machiene to destroy, and also prevent progress. Understand? Prevent reaching the top of the tower...thats also right. Wrong tower.
The second line...well,
4 enemies is the closest sense there...I think i got first and second line wrong way round. Um. Sorry. Nothing to do with Wutai.
wild guess: Proud Clod
The line about preventing progress sounds very similar to Yevon in FFX, but i can't think of a place in FF7....
Except maybe Rocket Town?
Umm...literal preventing progress. Not like, holding a countyr back or anything.
Is the tower in question the Shinra Building?
fort condor the four tpes of robots not sure so ill say fort condor
Both all wrong.
Thank you for clearing that up LN.
Now allow me sum up what we know.
We're looking for a monster that is a machine with 4 parts or possibly 4 monsters that you have to kill. This monster(s) is preventing you from reaching the top of a tower. When you defeat the monster(s), you gain an item. There is something specifically of German origin here, but not having to do with Niblehiem. 5th and 6th lines are being left out here.
Is this correct? If not please point out what's wrong.
Yes, you are perfectly correct.
going on 4 parts stopping entering a tower, i'm going to say proud clod. it has 4 parts (i think!?) and stops u reaching hojo at the top of his structure thingy
Proud Clod has 2 parts. Him, and the Junon Armour (sp?)
So not the pagoda, not the shinra building, not the 'structure thingy' (sister ray) and not fort condor.
The gold saucer could count as a tower I guess, or perhaps the one in Junon but im starting to get the feeling it isnt a literal tower at all.
None of those have been specifically denounced, except the pagoda.
I would have to guess the monsters on the train at North Corel.
The Gold Saucer could be considered the tower. The train will destroy the town if you don't save it. On the train are 4 monsters you have to kill, all of which are machines. North Correl itself is the 'base' of a memory for Barret which he clearly remembers very well. If you save the town, you gain the Ultima materia.
It's a strech but that's what I found.
Sorry, wrong.
Is it the Vincent sidequest/Shinra mansion? You have four clues and have to fight Missing Number then when you win you get the Odin materia (very teutonic) it blocks your way because you need to solve the riddle and beat the monster to get Vincent and rewards your passage, you get the key to Vincent's room and the chance to recruit an awsome character
Nope. Btw...Odin is norse, not teutonic. And its Lost Number, not Missing Number. Trust me - I know.
thinking about u saying earliewr references to the shinra were correct, and on the 4 teutonics thing, i'm going to say domnio, the mayor of midgar.
he really works for shinra, and requests a word with 4 letters, and gives you a reward for your efforts (the key card and an item if ur lucky)
not sure how this relates to the german thing tho!?
Well, since it's not Nibleheim, than is it Mideel, the northern city, or Junon? (just doing a process of elimination...) If any which one? (which one is the german from?)
It it the Grosspanzer tank? It has a German name, and you have to disassemble it, if memory serves.
This is quite a stupid guess, and I'm sure I'm way off... but it's the only thing I can think of that hasn't been said already... not sure about the machine bit though >_<
Is it in Cosmo canyon in the cave bit, where you fight that big boss at the end and then Find out that Red XIII's father wasn't a coward, but a great hero?
Darkness colluding, ---well.. it was very dark in there.. wasn't it?
A machination of doom. --- that big boss thingy
Four Teutonic beasts of War. ---he had three little floaty yellow things, didn't he? Or was it two... well, maybe the spiders?
Head on aint an option. ---he's blocking the doorway to where Red's father is....
At the base of a memory --- the big fight thing that took place there ages ago...
of startling aptness, ---......?
I block your way, ---same as "head on aint an option"
yet reward your passage. ---er... with the truth about ]Red's father....?
I'm sure I got that all wrong, but... *runs off*
ok, it's been 2 weeks since LN has posted and i hav PMed him twice. shall we start a new riddle?
dp
yes. this one is going nowhere.
maybe LN can shed some light on all this when he comes back but for now, does someone want to make a riddle? i'm blanked out at the mo :D
Ok, to clarify! My motherboard melted a while ago. I was forced off, til i got this computer off the school. So sorry. Grosspanzer is correct, i'll give reasonin later.
I'm right? :eek:
Three passages will lead you
Past the lupine terror
And the raptor's claws
To salvation or damnation
i think is safe to say that i havent got a scooby doo what the anser is
Lines 1-3 refer to names. Line 4 refers to a condition.
i think lupine refers to a wolf. am i right?
anyway, going on the 3 names and condition thing, i'm goin to say the last fight against the turks, against rude, reno, and elena. the damnation being game over and salvation being the turks being out of ur hair from then on
Lupine does refer to a wolf.
It's not the Turks however.
wow nearly a week with no guesses, guess i'll hav another go
not quite sure wot my answer is here really, but is it the section(s) of the northern cave where ther r 4 routes to take? i'm thinkin 3 of em take you around an area where there is a fiend with a wolf's head and raptors claws (most probably a chimera) and the salvation or damnation probably referring to the final battle
dunno wot ur really looking for in terms of an answer here (char, event, place, etc) but just lemme know if i'm remotely close k?
Your guesses are on the right track: the names are of enemies. The condition is an event.
is it fort condor? there are 4 paths at the top which lead down to 2, the lupine and raptor maybe referring to the beast and wyvern creatures and salvation or damnation is whether or not the boss reaches the hut
It's not Fort Condor.
so r u actually looking for 4 answers here? or one answer that links them all
Three passages will lead you - if ur wanting just a name then i'm thinking it begins with "tri" but can't think of an enemy with a name like that
Past the lupine terror - maybe a neibelheim wolf? ir a midgar wolf even?
And the raptor's claws - got me!? maybe materia keeper?
To salvation or damnation - this line still has me stumped, i'm thinking along the lines of victory or defeat (game over) is this right?
ir ur lookin for 1 answer, i'm goin to say Mt. nibel. there are 3 paths around the materia keeper
but none of them actually lead off of the mountain, although u can get some decent stuff (maybe thats the salvation?)
Four related answers. If you can solve one, it will help you with the other three.Quote:
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That line refers to three separate enemies that share the same name.Quote:
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It's a wolf, but not Neibelheim or Midgar wolf.Quote:
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Not Materia Keeper. Think of specific raptors.Quote:
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It's a victory or defeat condition, but defeat isn't a game over situation-just a very undesirable outcome.Quote:
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It's not Mt. Neibel.Quote:
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Can I ask, the 3 separate enemies with the same name, do they have the same specific name such as "Something, Something Jnr?" or is it specifically 1 name the same for all of them
if that's the case, the three enemies are Grangalan, Grangalan jr and Grangalan jr jr.
A raptor is a carnivor. a bird of prey, that relates to any flying bird/enemie bird shaped thing in ff7 such as sonic speed, cocatolis, epiolnis etc. It's hard to tell which is which without any specific indication as to what we're looking for.
is it the train mission to get the huge materia?
there a multiple enemies (isn't the boss a wolf creature?) and salvation being stopping the train and recieveing ultima and damnation being hitting the town and being thrown out forever
You are correct d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x. The train battles determine the salvation or damnation of the town.
All the remains is to name the bosses. :greenie:
damn! ur too picky!?
ok, the wolf one is called "wolfmeister" (i remember cos i kept doing german impressions wen i first met it :D)
*loses commitment and checks gamefaqs* hey i did do all the hard work rite?
gas ducter
air ducter (X2)
wolfmeister
Eagle wing
and of course the thing linking them all is the train journey
:D dp
You are correct, d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x! Your go. :D
woohoo! sorry i cheated a bit :D
left in the shadow
of the organisations rubble
the child gone without a trace
the girls know but won't tell
please post reasoning please :D
can u tell us which disc it is from?
Marlene?
left in the shadow
of the organizations rubble (Midgar Sector 7)
a child gone without a trace
the girls know but wont tell (Aeris and her mother know, but don't tell because *gasp* she's a prisoner.)
nope sorry try again
first encounter disc one but accessible at any time
okay 1st off I can't believe this is still going and can we have a clue please?
Yeah, clue please. I have no idea who it is.
whaddya means till goin? its not even been a week yet
hint: you could say that they (<-- plural!?) are related to cloud (?) however, this is a very tenuous link
I mean this fourm is still going
Is it Zack? Wild guess, but I'm fresh out of ideas.
His family doesn't know where he is, but Aeris does.
ure gettin ther but no. remember it's "they" as ij a collective group of people
Soldier? Shinra company, and Lucrecia.
nope sorry. please post ur reasoning k?
btw i didnt just say no cos u didnt put ur reasonin, it was wrong :D