Firearms

the crimes committed in guantanamo bay that breach the human rights acts are well documented. torture is committed there. it's reported document and even brought to us in the lovely kubark manual.

the us does have the biggest co2 outout. per head and absolutely. since 1990 it has increased 11%. courtesy oif the lovely folks at the bbc. it produces 24% of the worlds co2. end of point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...change/usa.stm

tell 3 billion citizens of this world living in poverty that the current system is the best.

i have freedom of speech on my country to. you can have what you want on tv. and we don't shoot peope for it either.

and i will bitch about america as long as it continues to affect me. in fatc it doesn't even need to affect me. because like niger and sudan and every other place in this world where it exists. i will continue to bitch as long as injustice in this world ends.

i told no lie about your country. and while you are telling the staff here about this thread going off topic. tell them that it wss a progression from hachifusa false comment and cheap pop at my country.

*Sigh*

I'm taking this to PMs, and I would like to take a moment to apologize for the off topic "discussion".

One quick post- the misstreatmant of anyone, when it happens, is not government sanctioned. Unless you need to torture the hell outta someone to get em to talk - se that on a lot of bad made for tv movies ;)

Anyways I strongly belive that the Right to bear arms - guns - is important. It seems to me that the first ammentdmant was put there to ensure that if the government took over the country wrongly, and to keep the government in check- we can revolt. Although with all the new weapons it would be a null point lol.

I mean - the amendment was written be rebels, who prolly listened to rock and roll and cussed frequently :) (jking) stick it to the man G.W.!

*wonder if we should have the right to bear nukes? * lol
Bipepr

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One quick post- the misstreatmant of anyone, when it happens, is not government sanctioned. Unless you need to torture the hell outta someone to get em to talk - se that on a lot of bad made for tv movies ;)

Anyways I strongly belive that the Right to bear arms - guns - is important. It seems to me that the first ammentdmant was put there to ensure that if the government took over the country wrongly, and to keep the government in check- we can revolt. Although with all the new weapons it would be a null point lol.

I mean - the amendment was written be rebels, who prolly listened to rock and roll and cussed frequently :) (jking) stick it to the man G.W.!

*wonder if we should have the right to bear nukes? * lol
Bipepr

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Mostly correct. The right to bear arms was put in there specifically to allow the populace to rebel in case the government got too tyrannical.

Where you're wrong is the numbers. The first amendment was freedom of speech, relegion, etc... The second was right to bear arms.

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tell 3 billion citizens of this world living in poverty that the current system is the best.

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It is a significant step up from everyone except for the handful of feudal, royal, or imperial persons on the planet being oppressed. Back then, it wasn't 50% as you claim who live in poverty, but more akin to 99.5%, probably more, but .9 is cliched.

Tell me Cloud.

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"You could simply not us the pc anymore." actually with my disability the use of a pc is unavoidable anyway.

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I must make inferences from that, that your physical capabilities are in some way impeded by your disability. If this is indeed the case, then how would you defend yourself if someone broke into your house or assaulted you in the street?

Lol, thanks skyblade for the correction - you forgot to say i was right about G.W. too.


Bipper

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if americans are allowed to have guns because guns don't kill people. why can't they have large quantities have acetone peroxide? explosives don't kill people, people do.

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now hang on a second. firearms can be a form of recreation. hunting and other varoius shooting sports (including competitions) are quite safe. explosives on the other hand have no other use except for demolition. clearly you have a problem drawing a line between a recreation and blowing crap up.

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Keep this crap out of this thread. The topic here is firearms, not a steel-cage deathmatch between the US and Niger. What's more, given the number of untruths that you have spread in this post, I don't really want to see it at all. But, since there are currently two threads set up for the purposes of your bitching, you can at least keep it out of unrelated topics. You hate America. Fine, stick it in your sig and be done with it.

Finally, if you like, I'll be happy to contact the mods about your off topic posts. The Lord knows that I've been bitched at enough for it. I was just trying to give you fair warning.

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You should have taken this to the warn button right away instead of modding the thread yourself. I think I already gave you a warning about that once, so I would think twice before doing it again.

i can blow stuff up in my back garden.

i don't actually suffer from a physical disability. i have a coordination disorder that makes complex movement like speech and hand written difficult (as well as some sports). but if someone did break into my house there are lots of legal methods to defend myself.

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but if someone did break into my house there are lots of legal methods to defend myself.

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Such as?

there is appropiate force. i still have the right to defend myself.

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there is appropiate force. i still have the right to defend myself.

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That's exactly true. It's the initiation of force is what is outlawed and immoral.

You're supporting the right to bear arms.

no i'm not. firearms make death easier and more effecient. the right to defend yourself with appropiate force does not include firearms.

Even when the other person points one at your face?

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no i'm not. firearms make death easier and more effecient. the right to defend yourself with appropiate force does not include firearms.

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Yes. It saves your life easier and more efficently.

When a criminal comes in with the intention to shoot you, see if your baseball bat will help you for long.