about the origin of ultimecia (big big spoiler)

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Originally Posted by Squall Of SeeD

Because the random encounters aren't storyline battles and -- as far as the storyline is concerned -- don't necessarily take place. For that matter, all the characters are coded to be present standing before Ultimecia when the final battle begins.

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Sounds a bit odd for my taste...I know a storyline battle usually have special features like FF X where you can talk at all this but as far as I concerned, if you defeated Ultimecia and have only three characters standing while the other are absorbed into time earlier, they will still show out in the ending. I know it is for the sake of the storyline.

Let's just put in this way, if your characters fall into battle in a random encounter and got absorbed into time then you win the battle it will be also reasonable that they give your characters back for the sake of the storyline.

If this is how it happen, I think it will support your theory better.

Also, from my POV the whole walkthrough in the castle is a important part of the storyline itself.

Like how your powers is sealed only in the castle and have to seek the guardians. But it can also mean that Square want the game to be more challenging by doing this but it is one of the unique feature in the castle itself.

But like you said the programmer wanted them to be there till they face Ultimecia, well....but I still think there is some logic of what Ultimecia said before the showdown.

But whatever it is Future, this doesn't change the fact that they are absorbed into time.

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So if there were not a Time Compression in the end you are saying that Rinoa time travels?But that´s impossible isn´t it?
But if she doesn´t then Squall remains on the same era.Rinoa only takes you to a different place.

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Time was still de-compressing when Rinoa goes looking for Squall, which is why she is able to get to him simply by really wanting to be with him. When she finds him, she is then able to bring him back to their own time, again using willpower. Then time continues to de-compress until everything is back to normal.

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Let's just put in this way, if your characters fall into battle in a random encounter and got absorbed into time then you win the battle it will be also reasonable that they give your characters back for the sake of the storyline.

If this is how it happen, I think it will support your theory better.

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No, that won't really fit, because being absorbed into time is seen as being sucked into TC, from where there is no escape unless Ultimecia is defeated. So if people were to get absorbed during random battles, you might end up with only one guy to fight Ultimecia!

No, the random encounters in Ultimecias castle simply don't reflect the storyline. No random encounter ever has any bearing on the storyline. The storyline treats things as if you never had any, so there's no reason to believe Ultimecias castle is any different.

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No, that won't really fit, because being absorbed into time is seen as being sucked into TC, from where there is no escape unless Ultimecia is defeated. So if people were to get absorbed during random battles, you might end up with only one guy to fight Ultimecia!

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Like I said, they came back after you win.

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Let's just put in this way, if your characters fall into battle in a random encounter and got absorbed into time then you win the battle it will be also reasonable that they give your characters back for the sake of the storyline.
If this is how it happen, I think it will support your theory better.

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Like I said, they came back after you win.

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That's all fine, except no one DOES get absorbed when KO'd in random encounters. People only get absorbed in Ultimecias battle because that's part of the storyline; random encounters are not.

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Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut

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Like I said, they came back after you win.

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That's all fine, except no one DOES get absorbed when KO'd in random encounters. People only get absorbed in Ultimecias battle because that's part of the storyline; random encounters are not.

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I did said it is a "if" scenario and not a "real" scenario.
And if they do so, it will support the theory better.

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Time was still de-compressing when Rinoa goes looking for Squall, which is why she is able to get to him simply by really wanting to be with him. When she finds him, she is then able to bring him back to their own time, again using willpower. Then time continues to de-compress until everything is back to normal.

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Exacly.But are you saying that Rinoa just brought Squall back and time was still decompressing when we see Seifer fishing on Balamb and when we see Laguna on Raine´s tomb and all that?
In fact to me it was there forever.

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And if they do so, it will support the theory better.

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As I said though, random encounters have nothing to do with the storyline, so it doesn't matter what happens there. In other words, the theory that it is their broken bonds that cause them to be absorbed into time is as well supported as it can be.

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Exacly.But are you saying that Rinoa just brought Squall back and time was still decompressing when we see Seifer fishing on Balamb and when we see Laguna on Raine´s tomb and all that?
In fact to me it was there forever.

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We don't know the exact moment when time had fully reverted back to normal, but it doesn't really matter anyway. And time compression could not always have been there, because no one but Ultimecia can exist within TC.

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Originally Posted by Sir Bahamut

As I said though, random encounters have nothing to do with the storyline, so it doesn't matter what happens there. In other words, the theory that it is their broken bonds that cause them to be absorbed into time is as well supported as it can be.

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If they got absorbed in time at a random encounter in the world map, maybe it do not have a relationship with the storyline but I meant any random encounter in the castle.

But as far as I concerned, the fact that Squall and Co is in Ultimecia's castle is already part of the storyline and whatever happen in the castle play far or less a little role in the story. (Except for the Omega weapon part I would said.)

And Ultimecia did said something about sending them to other dimension after exterminating them which is quite confusing as gamers will thought it is Ultimecia that send them to the dimension she claimed since absorbed in time only happen during fighting her.

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And time compression could not always have been there, because no one but Ultimecia can exist within TC.

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What I think is the shape of time copmpression:
Time compression compresses about 8 or 9 eras
on the same time.However this eras were distributed over space.
This way the characters don´t dye because the world will look normal .

i think ultimecia is nutz and need to get off the crack pipe. which makes me come to another theory. squall and rinoa had hot kinky sex while rinoa was doing crack and ultimecia is really a crack baby who needs to put on more clothing

Ok listen heres a new theory that i have not seen in any other forum yet about Ultemicia an rinoa being the same person:

The group of teens (Squall, Rinoa,etc) go about a mission to save the world and eventually kill Ultemicia. BUT then theres a theory that rinoa goes insane after Squalls death so she turns into ultemicia and then tries to find her love squall but in the process forgets him and tries to find him in the past using other sorcereses and she finally finds her past self. Then the whole story repeats itself with Squall and friends killing Ultemicia and then Rinoa goin insane!!! So it never endz does it?!
(i no this isnt totally relevant in this forum but i had to post it sumwer)

Been there, done that.

Consensus is: there just isn't enough ingame proof to support this.

As I said in the other thread, if this were so, I think they would have made a big deal of it in the game's dialogue, because it would have created such a profound plot twist.

That theory is not new at all I'm afraid. That is the R=U idea generally agreed to be the most plausible of the many ideas floating around. The only difference is that the standard model has Rinoa go insane and forget Squall without actually having gone looking for him.

But the R=U theory simply isn't that plausible anyway. For a long discussion on R=U, check out the Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ on the following page:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html

ok thanks

Wait a minute, Julia is still alive!? And who in goddess name is Vasacroon!?!
You guys just over analyze stuff and get very confusing.