Revelation of Time Compression

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"A sorceress trying to change the world by compressing time and taking power from all sorceresses."

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That scan info tells us Ultimecia is TRYING to compress time.She only T-R-Y-I-N-G,trying.Then she realized She cant to compress time because time is infinite, that's why in that Final Battle She transformed to absorb Time.

I hope with that/My explanation I already destroy this "compress" thing for good.

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I agree, Ultimecia is in the center of TC. So as time is compressed in towards her, she aborbs it all in her newly transformed shape. With it, she can also absorb space.

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I think you already misunderstand about TC.So far there's no proof time compressed towards Her,there's only the proof to show us that time absorbed towards Her.You can see that in Final Battle.

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However, this is not the same as saying that time compression is time absorbtion.

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However it's not the same as saying that shooting star as shooting meteor.

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"But time is infinite!" So what? Seriously, it's a final fantasy, and it can do what it wants to do.

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And I hope that can make you silence too (just kidding).

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Sigh, ok than you, apparantly being the expert mage here, explain how magic and summons are possible, and how they continue to elude modern scientists today.

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If I have to explain it to you then I have to kill you.

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(eg, claiming that time is not being compressed because it is not physically possible) is ridiculous.

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Not really that is the fact.

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Well, technically speaking, compress space and you compress time. If all existence is a singularity, then no time exists. Ultimecia was attempting an unnecessarily grandiose form of big crunch.

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That's why She absorbing Time.

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Actually, in many ways Ultimecia seems to have been transforming herself into a super-massive black hole. Makes me wonder if Square didn't actually have real world physics in mind when making the game...

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Actually Square already made good job to explain TC event to us.You just dont get it.

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Originally Posted by Me

Well, technically speaking, compress space and you compress time. If all existence is a singularity, then no time exists. Ultimecia was attempting an unnecessarily grandiose form of big crunch.

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Originally Posted by Viator

That's why She absorbing Time.

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You don't seem to get this. Compress space and you compress time, since time a measure of permutations of space. If you can compress space as far as it goes into a singularity, then all time will be compressed along with it, so that there is no space, and no time. This is what Ulti wished to achieve so that she could recast it in her own image. However, she had to absorb while compressing, since she needed to BE the singularity, instead of part of it. This is fine if her end goal is to simply BE the universe.

However her goal wasn't to be the universe, it was to recreate it, and to create a universe by design, one must, by necessity, be more complex than the said universe, or quite simply waste yourself in doing so as Hyne- if he exists- seemed to. In Ulti's case, since she wanted to rule over this, this means she needs the mass/energy of previous time periods, allowing her to cheat basic conversion laws in an I don't know how manner, by compressing all previous time and space and using it as her fuel source. Thus she compresses prior time, up to her current point- Not an impossible goal if she compresses at a rate faster than one unit of time per unit of time- then when uses this, once it is sufficient, to reshape her present existence as she sees fit.

Granted, this is blatantly paradoxical in ways I don't even want to touch, but so is Time Compression to begin with.

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If you can compress space as far as it goes into a singularity, then all time will be compressed along with it, so that there is no space, and no time.

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Sorry,but you have to know that you CANT compress space because space always expand and time is infinite.

As far as reality goes you cant compress time and you keep talking this compressing thing while compressing time and space is impossible.

I recommend you to read all My explanation about TC because if you only read it once you wont get it.I want you to peruse it again

Stop saying you can't compress time. The game says you can, there for you are wrong.

How many times do I have to tell you.
All character said "compressing time" just to make a speculation about TC.
How the hell they know TC is compressing time while they dont know anything about TC at that time?
So all character said "compressing time" only to make a speculation about TC.

Y'know what, I'VE READ YOUR EXPLANATION COUNTLESS TIMES. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT IS UTTERLY GROUNDLESS. It is based on misrepresenting quotes, twisting scanty evidence to say things it absolutely doesn't, and your own personal wishes. Let me put this another way, bluntly and in all caps so as to make sure my meaning is clear. YOUR EXPLANATION PISSES ALL OVER THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE. THIS MEANS IT IS NOT A GOOD EXPLANATION.

And you know what? F*** you and your "Maybe you should read it again" ****. Did it EVER, EVER occur to you that when the nigh unanimous concensus is that your doped up little postulate DOES NOT COMPUTE, the problem may, in fact, be with yourself, and NOT the multitudes who are deeming it illogical, in violation of parsimony, unsupported in canon and just plain badly explained or possibly MEANINGLESS?

I hereby submit to the metaphorical table that you be asked to put your money where your mouth is and submit a singular, comprehensive, detailed, and definitive version of your postulate, in one place, for all to see, devoid of meaningless diagrams, a priori claims, circular reasoning, unsupported claims, and all manner of logical fallacies.

If your postulate thinks it can handle the oven, then it is time for the heat.

And Time is Finite. Head backwards enough and you hit the start of time. All Ulti has to do is compress backwards, and ignore forwards, which is redundant to her goals in the first place.

Ultimecia uses the term 'Time Compression' and 'Compressiong Time' to describe it herself.

You're still wrong.

EDIT: Agreein' with Ryushikaze

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Originally Posted by Viator

As far as reality goes...(insert rest of sentence here)

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So THAT'S why we're on different wavelengths. Sorry, I didn't realize FF8 was reality. :rolleyes2

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Y'know what, I'VE READ YOUR EXPLANATION COUNTLESS TIMES. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IT IS UTTERLY GROUNDLESS. It is based on misrepresenting quotes, twisting scanty evidence to say things it absolutely doesn't, and your own personal wishes. Let me put this another way, bluntly and in all caps so as to make sure my meaning is clear. YOUR EXPLANATION PISSES ALL OVER THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE. THIS MEANS IT IS NOT A GOOD EXPLANATION.

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I already said it depends on one's perpective.
The reasult is you misunderstand My explanation.

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And you know what? F*** you and your "Maybe you should read it again" ****.

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Ryusikaze, please dont make a personal attact like that.Take it easy.

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And Time is Finite. Head backwards enough and you hit the start of time. All Ulti has to do is compress backwards, and ignore forwards, which is redundant to her goals in the first place.

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If time is finite you cant go to the past.

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Ultimecia uses the term 'Time Compression' and 'Compressiong Time' to describe it herself.

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Ultimecia uses TC term because She thinks she can compress time but She was wrong that's why She absorb Time

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"A sorceress trying to change the world by compressing time and taking power from all sorceresses."

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That scan info tells us Ultimecia is TRYING to compress time.She only T-R-Y-I-N-G,trying.Then she realized She cant to compress time because time is infinite, that's why in that Final Battle She transformed to absorb Time.

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Ignoring the absurd notion that Ultimecia doesn't know the nature of her own spell for a second, Ultimecia is STILL talking about time compression in her final form (ie, the one that is absorbing time)

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Originally Posted by Ultimecia, Final Battle

I am Ultimecia.
Time shall compress...
...All existence denied.

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You're still wrong. How much more time must I waste listening to you?

She ONLY said "Time shall compress..."
But She doesnt said "Time will compress..."
So she wishes to compress time even knowing time is infinite.
But the result is She absorb time.

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Originally Posted by Viator

She ONLY said "Time shall compress..."
But She doesnt said "Time will compress..."

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I recommend www.dictionary.com

Also, lol at trying to take this thread back to a debate over semantics.

Good thing this is only a theory, and not the truth. *wipes forehead*

You just misunderstand the meaning of Her words.
You can see in that Final Battle Ultimecia absorbing time not compressing time

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Originally Posted by Viator

You just misunderstand the meaning of Her words.
You can see in that Final Battle Ultimecia absorbing time not compressing time

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Well now THAT'S interesting. I'd like to see a screenshot for undeniable proof, and a solid explanation of how you are able to tell whether she is absorbing time, please. Thanks =]