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Kuja succeeded in his first set of plans, Sephiroth suceeded in becoming a god in AC and Yu Yevon succeeded even before the adventure started.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrthTater
And everyone know that, when we are talking about success, Delita wins.
If i want to, i can write in Wikipedia that Kefka is the most weak character in fiction.
1) Yes, he was a human but not wholly human. To be exact, he had alien DNA mixed into his otherwise wholly human DNA. The two mixed about equally. So he isn't human but he isn't alien either. He's a bastard half-breed, if you want to think of it that way.Quote:
Dragon Mage, you said:
A) that Sephiroth was never wholly human, when he was Spoiler: the son of Hojo and Lucrecia
B) That there are no 'ancients' and 'non-ancients'. Regular humans were the Cetra who stopped listening to the Planet, which makes a clear distinction between Cetra and non-Cetra.
C) implied that Sephiroth was trying to destroy the Planet, which would destroy the Lifestream and so destroy the Promised Land, which was his other aim. The Omega Guide states that the Promised Land is a mystery (as opposed to a 'mistery'), and so it was entirely possible to destroy the Lifestream and not the Promised Land.
D) that children and unborn babies go to Limbo. How do you know how the universe works?
It looks like you've just lost your credibility on knowing Sephiroth (and the nature of the universe) right there. Thanks for playing!
The Crystal, you quoted and agreed with A) and C). You, too, have just lost your credibility on knowing Sephiroth right there. Thanks for playing!
2) If you're saying that Cetra and humans are two completley different spieces, you are mistaken. They are the same race, but just different in one way. Like black people and non-blacks. Both are human, both are different. The Cetra were not their own seperate race.
3) Well, if he thought the Crater was the PL then that would be destroying the PL, now wouldn't it? Besides, he must have had some idea of what the PL was, and that it was on the Planet, or else he would never have had the need to destroy the humans by destroying their planet so that they couldn't get to it.
4) The bible tells me so. Ha.
Are you an Astrophysicist ? I didn't think so. So how the hell would you know how the frappin' universe works? And unless you have lived with Sephiroth or are a telepath and can read his frappin' mind, you have no credibility either. What we're doing here is plain conjecture with some facts that won't back up half of what we're saying. Now, you try and make yourself the almighty god of this thread and try to convince yourself that you are right, without a doubt, I will sick the flying monkeys on you. Fear the monkeys.
And it will be fixed. Wikipedia has a very good moderating team, although not everyone knows that. And don't try and compare Seph's feats to Kefka's they don't compare because Sephiroth wanted to absorb the lifestream, didn't happen did it? Kefka wanted to destroy the world, and that did happen. The World of Ruin was basically a destroyed planet, life was fading rapidly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The CrystalKuja succeeded in his first set of plans, Sephiroth suceeded in becoming a god in AC and Yu Yevon succeeded even before the adventure started.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrthTater
And everyone know that, when we are talking about success, Delita wins.
If i want to, i can write in Wikipedia that Kefka is the most weak character in fiction.
I didn't know that. Interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboco
Sephiroth wanted to controll the Lifestream. In FFVII he thought that the best way to do it, was absorbing it, but he failed. BUT in AC he thought that the best way to do it, was corrupting it, and he succeeded.Quote:
And don't try and compare Seph's feats to Kefka's they don't compare because Sephiroth wanted to absorb the lifestream, didn't happen did it? Kefka wanted to destroy the world, and that did happen. The World of Ruin was basically a destroyed planet, life was fading rapidly.
If we are only talking about the original games, i agree wit you. But if we are talking about the entire story of the two universes, than Sephiroth succeeded.
But in the end both of them losed.
Kefka didn't succeeded, the only successfull villain in FF history, is Delita.
Prepare for a couple seconds of off-topicness.Quote:
Originally Posted by The CrystalI didn't know that. Interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboco
Sephiroth wanted to controll the Lifestream. In FFVII he thought that the best way to do it, was absorbing it, but he failed. BUT in AC he thought that the best way to do it, was corrupting it, and he succeeded.Quote:
And don't try and compare Seph's feats to Kefka's they don't compare because Sephiroth wanted to absorb the lifestream, didn't happen did it? Kefka wanted to destroy the world, and that did happen. The World of Ruin was basically a destroyed planet, life was fading rapidly.
If we are only talking about the original games, i agree wit you. But if we are talking about the entire story of the two universes, than Sephiroth succeeded.
But in the end both of them losed.
Kefka didn't succeeded, the only successfull villain in FF history, is Delita.
Isn't a bit clear that Kefka should've won though? He didn't spot them coming for him? He could oblitorate towns but can crush a few mortals? It makes no sense.
Kefka's original plan was to become a god, and have a reign of fear. He got that. When he decided to exteriminate all life he was stopped.
For all his powers, Sephiroth was horribly weak. For "accomplishing" becoming a god, Kefka and Kuja would destroy him.
Sephiroth could summon Meteor, though, which kind of evens things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
And Kuja could Zot it out of the sky, greatly imbalancing things in Kuja's favor again.Quote:
Originally Posted by blitz_king10Sephiroth could summon Meteor, though, which kind of evens things out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Kuja's powers are because of the souls of the Invincible. Sephiroth can corrupt these souls and kill Kuja.
Considering the fact that we didn't see what is the true power of AC Sephiroth, and that he was destroying the entire world with his tainted Lifestream(the dark clouds) in the end of the movie, how you can say that he was weak? Sorry dude, but Kefka and Kuja aren't anymore the only two in FF series that can destroy a world. Sephiroth can too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
They deffeated him, in the same way that Zidane and his friends could deffeat a planet buster, or Bartz and his friends could deffeat the Void. They have powerfull attacks, and the super powerfull gods have a limited number of HP. In story-wise this don't make sense, but this is the way that things work in RPGs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldenboco
You guys, corrupting the Lifestream wasn't his idea. It was Jenovas idea, and like a proper momma's boy, he did exactly as his 'mother' did before him. Sheesh. The idiot can't even come up with something original. And when he does, it doesn't even work. Wow. Now isn't that something to be proud of!
A shame since you obviously don't know what the hell your blathering on about at all. In the frappin' game Cloud said "Protect the Promised Land?! No way!! I know him. That's not what he's like." Or something to that affect, I pretty sure I messed up on the last 2 lines. So just what the hell are you saying, 'He wanted to protect the PL'. Bullcrap. Go get your facts straight, then get into an argument. Until then don't waste my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarice-ness
To sum it all up Sephiroth is not the best villian in the series. Admittadly, I could take him more seriously than I could a giant, flying, telekinetic whale.
The comment you quoted was about you saying Sephiroth was half-alien, not anything to do with the promised land argument, Hence I said I was going to stop reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
Plus I'm having a wonderful time watching you people bicker, because even the ones that 'know' so much end up arguing with the other ones who 'know' so much. *eats popcorn* :D
Sephiroth is an okay villan but not the best he is a F*** mama's boy.
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Not even remotely true. Not by a long shot. The Lifestream is a collection of Spirit Energy. Which is different from souls because every “soul” joins it. That is what Sephiroth can control. Individual souls in other people he showed absolutely no power over.Quote:
Kuja's powers are because of the souls of the Invincible. Sephiroth can corrupt these souls and kill Kuja.
Oh no! DARK CLOUDS!! Are the clouds spitting lightning that destroys cities? No? Well, are they causing torrential raint hat will drown everything in existence? No? Well....they look good. Which is what Sephiroth is all about; looks.Quote:
Considering the fact that we didn't see what is the true power of AC Sephiroth, and that he was destroying the entire world with his tainted Lifestream(the dark clouds) in the end of the movie, how you can say that he was weak? Sorry dude, but Kefka and Kuja aren't anymore the only two in FF series that can destroy a world. Sephiroth can too.
Definitely right here. RPGS heroes are constantly overcoming beings they should have no chance of beating. It’s what makes an RPG, an RPG. ::)Quote:
They deffeated him, in the same way that Zidane and his friends could deffeat a planet buster, or Bartz and his friends could deffeat the Void. They have powerfull attacks, and the super powerfull gods have a limited number of HP. In story-wise this don't make sense, but this is the way that things work in RPGs.
Last edited by The Crystal : 11-25-2006 at 11:15 AM.
This thread has been going for some time now and I think the top 3 not in any order are Sephiroth, Kefka and Kuja nobody’s going to argue about that are they???