but the chances of a criminal having a gun are lower in my country. and if i really wanted to take him out i would use all acetone peroxide i should be allowed instead of a gun as it's much better.
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but the chances of a criminal having a gun are lower in my country. and if i really wanted to take him out i would use all acetone peroxide i should be allowed instead of a gun as it's much better.
Chances are low there are gunfights in my neighborhood too, so you take chances just because its less likely to happen? I am not risking my life on that.
that and i'm not bound by paranoia. i can reduce the chnaces of anyone trying to kill me by putting a bomb on a bus too. reduce the people, reduce the chance. or i can stop being omni-paranoid and me save in the knowledge that it is unlikely and if it does happen owning a gun would have probably not have helped.
by the time you find out someone is your house with a gun, it will probably be to late to do anything. you will either be dead or close to it.
The minute you find someone else in the house that isnt a reletive, i already will have my gun >_> Train yourself to be ready at the worst of times thats what you have to do.
and if he is unarmed? if he is some poor junkie kid just trying to get his next fix? shoot him for the cost of a vcr?
i agree, i would soner die then have the knowladge of having killed someone on my hands. their are other ways to protect yourself besides ways taht could kill others.
Then don't shoot. Christ, just because you have a damn gun doesn't make you shoot everything in sight. Which one of us is paranoid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
I could probably a gun tomorrow for between £200 and £500. The sole difficulty would be in finding someone with one, because I'm not in the right circles for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
Or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
If you have a gun of your own.
That's not paranoia, that's called being trigger happy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachifusa
I agree with Hachifusa here. Just because you have a gun, doesn't mean you have to use it. What's more, even if you use it, you don't have to kill someone.
Besides, the threat of a gun is usually enough to deter casual criminals. There are plenty of people out there to victimize who won't blow your head off at the first opportunity.
i mentioned earlier that thier are bullets with loser death rates, no? and you would aim to disarm not kill.
second... with todays tech you can have security cams in you house.. i saw one at wallmart really cheap.. all it does thou is view one door(u would need 1 for each door... that would add up) and let u know if some one comes within sight. easy to bypass from what i saw.. but it would improve your chances of seeing them first. also it is on your turf... u know where the creaky floors and such are at.. u know the ground word.. all this helps.
u can never negate all chances of danger, so u may as well negate it as much as you can.. and guns can help there.
"Besides, the threat of a gun is usually enough to deter casual criminals." that doesn't explain america's high crime rate compared to mine.
"The sole difficulty would be in finding someone with one, because I'm not in the right circles for it." that's the point. you probably couldn't get a gun. so if you became a nutter like thomas hamilton then the chances of you walking into a primary school and shooting folks is less.
"Then don't shoot. Christ, just because you have a damn gun doesn't make you shoot everything in sight." but the point you know a man is armed with a gun is the point where you have a great pain in your chest.
What type of crime are we talking about? Assault? US has a 7.56 per 1000 people stat, while UK is... 7.45 per 1000 people. Looks equally dangerous to me. Burglaries? UK: 13.83 per 1000 people, US: 7.09 per 1000 people. Looks like the idea of facing someone armed in his house is a good deterrent to burglars. Car theft? UK: 5.60 per 1000 people, US: 3.87 per 1000 people. Damn, the UK is worse again. Robberies? 1.57 per 1000 people in the UK, vs 1.38 per 1000 people in the US. Damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
How many "nutter" cases are there really? Once evry other year, if not less? So what would be the impact of preventing normal people from owning a gun? Close to 0. Criminals on the other hand wouldn't have any problem at all. Plus, gun ban = more black market.Quote:
That's the point. you probably couldn't get a gun. so if you became a nutter like thomas hamilton then the chances of you walking into a primary school and shooting folks is less.
No, it shows your ignorance. First, a lot of gun owners make it very well known that they own a gun. I particularly like the old classic "this house is protected by Smith & Wesson" sign you put on your fence/door. Second, not all bullets are immediately lethal. Last, if I'm shooting at you, it means you entered my property, without my permission and threatened me. Tough sh*t for you if you get hurt. That's similar to insulting me or my wife/family/friends. My fist is going to meet your nose, and I won't feel sorry.Quote:
But the point you know a man is armed with a gun is the point where you have a great pain in your chest.
killing a man for trespass? i would rather live in iran. i would only get my hand chopped off for theft there. far better. and you would hit someone for insulting you? that just shows your level. "an eye for an eye" but it's not really it's a vcr for your pulse. and your lucky you are able to hold a gun with your lack of remorse for assualt.
you talk of normal people like they are segregated from nutters. thomas hamilton didn't have a word against him before he shot up a primary school. they aren't easy to spot. one day they just turn round and shoot someone. alot of murderers have no record before they end up killing someone.
"First, a lot of gun owners make it very well known that they own a gun." i was talking about the criminal.
"Criminals on the other hand wouldn't have any problem at all." they would. as soon as you fid a gun on them or their property you can get them put away for a while. no need to wait for them to injure someone or kill them.
No that just shows ignorance unless you dont value your lives and possessions. You think the person breaking in is going to care what level you are or if you are dead? Most probably not if they are already going to break in. This is a way different matter than someone insulting another. You are taking it out of scope. So are we to make a red carpet for people to come in whenever they please and take our stuff? Do you think the person next door will let you do the same? Hell no. When the crook comes in with a gun trying to steal your stuff and threaten your life, they arent going to care what level you are. You can be as high level as you want and be dead, but if you think thats better, then that is your decision and you have no right to judge the guy that wants to protect their things. Well you could but its not very reasonable.Quote:
killing a man for trespass? i would rather live in iran. i would only get my hand chopped off for theft there. far better. and you would hit someone for insulting you? that just shows your level. "an eye for an eye" but it's not really it's a vcr for your pulse. and your lucky you are able to hold a gun with your lack of remorse for assualt.
That shows nothing, so people HAVE to have commited other crimes to kill someone? They dont need track records when the deed is done. And where did you get these figures from anyway?Quote:
they aren't easy to spot. one day they just turn round and shoot someone. alot of murderers have no record before they end up killing someone.
And are you going to go up to the person intruding your house and ask "OMG DO YOU HAVE A GUN? IF YOU DO I MA GO GET MINE!ZZZZZZ111!one!" -_- The point is the person isnt supposed to be there in the first place, and the minute he steps in, he asked for it, and i have every right to defend everything in my property.
Your last paragraph also makes no sense..O_o