Knights are the best job class, and I am prepared to defend that statement.

I didn't come reply before as I was a nOOb and unable to make fully infromed statments about the game. Now I am a vet and ready to debate!
First to the guy who syas 5 knight would ebat the crap out fo 5 meds where did you get 20%? I used my mediator bridgette a lot thoguh the game and the average chance ws abotu 35%. She took most of her levels as a white mage but still its makes a large diffrence. Also ebar in mind one or more of the knight turing on his fellows oculd seriouslley upset there chance of winning. Going down to 4 men and having one of there fighter go agisnt them is pretty tough.
But I admit it would be hard to determine the winner. Maybe when I get a gs3000 i will test this. Anyone know where I can get one is England?
Anyway on to the topic. Knights are pretty good having good lv growth,being able to equip many kinds of armor and having the fantastic equip armour abilty. But there ar emany jobs better than knight

Monk: in pure melee a monk will beat a knight becuse of there fantastic strengh (in most cases). However there abiltes put them out of the knights league. Hp restore means killing a monk is very hard for a knight and more than cancels out a monks armor limit, earth slash can strike multiple knights far away (with 100% accuracy). Oh and revive is incrediable and free! Also don't forget charka! The knight has only 3 things over a monk:
1) the abilty to wear armor (hp restore mor ethan makes up for this
2) Equip armor (agian hp restore more than makes for this)
3) better stat growth. Even with this a lv 99 monk raised a monk form lv 1 will obliterate a knight raised from lv 1

Lancer: Able to equip all the armor a Knight can. Also Dragon spirit is a great abilty. Spears can do a heck of a lot of damage and can atatck from 2 squares away/ Jump getrs thm out of the way of aknights atatck and aguments there damage even more. tehy do everything a knight does (minus the useless breaks) except better

Priest: There are many combat classes and a good few better than the knight but other than the chemist how many healing classes? 1 if you include the monk. White mages are far mor e likely to turnt he tide of war than a knight. Cure is great and raise rocks. Protect can be great as well.

Chemist only 3 reason here:
1) phoeniex down)
2) guns
3) Auto potion! yay!

Mediator turning the enmy gisnt itself, getting tons of free and cool equipment and never having to worry about the soldier office all add up to a brilliant class. Plus its got guns and can shoot brave up to 97. YAY!

Ninja Agian only a few reasons:
1) its has the best stat growths int he game
2) the speed is VERY useful
3) throwing stuff can be good
4) 2 swords is fantastic

Summoner
Hp is sucky but offensivley NO ONE (except holy swordsmen *cough* munchkins) equal these guys.
Tere slwo and fragile but summons do immense damage and hit many enmies. Plus Golem and fairey ar evry useful indee
I still ddint ge tthe samuri (meh to hard) but I think I made my point

Last time i checked...the definition was something like..


Elite: A group of people regarded as superior in someway and therefore favored; Peerless

"Sorry to interrupt..but would you listen to yourselves? you sound like kids heh. "Nono! i would do this and youde die!". well..the point is..as i was looking at this thread i just noticed some things."

By your logic, the act of sheer debate would sound childlike. I think we have conducted ourselves for the most part in a professional manner. At least, I feel as though I have. At any rate, to your post ...

"1) There is no way to prove how "elite" your team of knights are, because we cannot test."

Just because you cannot test something does not mean it is not true. We cannot test evolution (because by definition, definition is change over time - long periods of time; scientists do not debate the fact that evolution is untestable), for example, but we are 99.99% sure it is true. In fact, if you were to say it was not, you would be shunned by the logical (scientific) community.

"2) This is one of the most unintelligable threads iv'e ever read. im surprised its not locked."

Your point being ... ? I can understand it. I think I and many other people have been more than lucid in our posting. You'd have to be pretty dense not to understand it.

"3) And lastly, there is no such thing as an elite team in FFT. Everything has a weakness."

Lastly, I agree with Edgar. There IS such a thing as an elite team in FFT. Not everything has a weakness. It is just a belief people have come to accept as a truth. We like to think that everything has a weakness.

Yuffie -

I am afraid that I cannot offer a counter argument against your post simply because I have made several in the past which address nearly identical issues. As I said before, Knights are not good for their action abilities. They are good for their innate abilities to use Knight Swords, etc. And they could beat any of the units your proposed ...

Please read earlier posts for clarification.

Sigh. Right. Evolution is accepted widely. The point is, your knights aren't. Evolution also has research on it, whereas you just tested against a bunch of computers. Hell, i can make a group of all squires and whop computers too. And there is no use debating since we cannot test. This isn't even like opinionated with good evidence. it's simply you boasting and refusing to admit that you can be beaten. But since we cannot test and you deny, WTF is the point in arguing? And yes, this thread is very lucid in its meaning: Pointless. Everything has a weakness. Whatever is done can be undone and nothing remains constant except change itself.

"Sigh. Right. Evolution is accepted widely. The point is, your knights aren't. Evolution also has research on it, whereas you just tested against a bunch of computers."

No, you are completely missing the point. I cited evolution as an example of something most people agree is correct yet is not testable. This was meant to show that while you cannot test whether or not my Knight team was the best, you could still draw a conclusion. You misunderstood (or perhaps misconstrued) my analogy.

"Hell, i can make a group of all squires and whop computers too. And there is no use debating since we cannot test. This isn't even like opinionated with good evidence."

I have presented evidence and argued logical scenarios. That is the best we can do.

"it's simply you boasting and refusing to admit that you can be beaten."

Not at all. If I thought it could be beaten, I would admit it. But that is not even the matter at hand. I am seeking to prove that Knights are the best job class. Even if they could be beated, it could still be that they are the best overall, and I would still be right.


"But since we cannot test and you deny, WTF is the point in arguing?"

If there is no point to having this debate, then there is no point to a lot of things. Debate here and posting here is for recreational purposes. If you do not feel that this is worth time, then stop posting as Summon Illusion did. You are absolutely free to that choice. But don't come in here and hate just because you can.

"And yes, this thread is very lucid in its meaning: Pointless. Everything has a weakness. Whatever is done can be undone and nothing remains constant except change itself."

"Pointless" is not a point to be proven. It is a thing. Everything does not have a weakness. If you buy into the Big Bang Theory then you might just believe in a deity; if that is so, then you have something that is without a weakness. Even if that is not true (I'd REALLY rather not get into a theological debate!) to limit yourself to think that everything has a weakness, then you have closed you mind to a whole field of possibilities.

And you are close minded to think that some things don't have a weakness. God, your right im simply not going to post in here because your being anal and your arguments are completely bogus. Your oh so right mr big and bad, nothing messes with your awesome knights. Now shut up. Oh, and i do know a strategy to beat your knights: snap your CD in half and make you eat it :mad:

Please, let's not stoop to childish taunts and insults. I've had enough of that.

"And you are close minded to think that some things don't have a weakness."

I never said that. I simply said that not everything has to has a weakness. Do not misconstrue what I say.

"God, your right im simply not going to post in here because your being anal and your arguments are completely bogus. Your oh so right mr big and bad, nothing messes with your awesome knights."

I'll be anal, if that is the expectation you have constructed for me. You should first learn to form a contraction correctly; it is "you're", not "your". "Bogus" is a simple subjective comment. I have substanitaed my arguments, which is more than I can say for you and have also refrained from making personal insults. You may insult me if you like but like I said before, it has no place here.

"Now shut up. Oh, and i do know a strategy to beat your knights: snap your CD in half and make you eat it"

Again, say what you like. Here, you only have free speech as long as a moderator grants you that privelege. And that is not beating anything. That is just breaking something. But resort to voilence if you like. It is not in the least humorous unless I consider your own actions that of a fool.

If you people can't refrain from insulting one another and resorting to common idiocy, I'm not afraid to close this thread and restrict your access to this forum. I've spoken to you about this thread before. My patience wears thin. Talk tactics and talk classes, but do NOT insult the intelligence/importance/logic of anyone.

Hmm..since you INSIST on correcting my grammar..

"I'll be anal, if that is the expectation you have constructed for me(This statement makes no sense. well..not that it doesnt make sense, it just sounds funny. it should be "If that is what you expect of me"). You should first learn to form a contraction correctly; it is "you're", not "your". "Bogus" is a simple subjective comment(im pretty sure bogus is slang for wrong or incorrect). I have substanitaed(spelling error) my arguments, which is more than I can say for you and have also refrained from making personal insults(incorrect sentence structure, "I have substantiated and have also refrained from making personal insults" should be together, and THEN refer to me after you have finished the complete thought about yourself). You may insult me if you like but like I said before, it has no place here."

I never said that. I simply said that not everything has to has(spelling error, should be have) a weakness. Do not misconstrue what I say.


I type "your" because im lazy. Its not like you go around everyone that uses "2" instead of "to" to stop doing it. And i wasn't going to pick on your spelling mistakes but you insist on picking mine out.

Edit: Sorry Britt, i didn't see your post til after i posted. Im not really insulting him, just replying kind of.

Edit 2: Interestingly enough..i have a question actually..What would prevent my team from NOT being level 99, but level 98? And what would prevent me from using Fully grown Ninjas with the Calculator skill to cast Level three Death? or even use calculator skills on myself? Wouldnt that prevent you from healing yourself and dealing damage at the same time? Not to mention if im faster and i use level three death with all of my chars, i am bound to kill them all. And even if you spend your 1 or 2 guys left reviving your own, couldnt i just keep casting level three death til all your guys dropped?

Yeah I admit you said some of the sutff before. But not all. And I'd LOVE to see your knights beat a well done monk. Hp restore and earth slash should not be underestimated. Oh and you also didn't mention priest and summoner

Those knights could be beaten...... lancers, well trained monks. preistes, summoners..........Jump,earth slash,healing,zodiac, and if orlandu was on the party...

I checked on this thread again seeing the name "Britt" being the recent replier but...who are you talking to? Or in general?
Well, it would result this way, right from the beginning it was asking for it...

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Originally posted by Britt
If you people can't refrain from insulting one another and resorting to common idiocy, I'm not afraid to close this thread and restrict your access to this forum. I've spoken to you about this thread before. My patience wears thin. Talk tactics and talk classes, but do NOT insult the intelligence/importance/logic of anyone.

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I don't see the point in being technical, perhaps robots can do stuff like that but humans, have the potential to do something different. That's like the type of people that become calculators when they grow up.

The whole point of communication is the mesage. If everyone understands that your is referring as in you're, it works. More than enough people use that form, therefore the regular audience is used to it. How can one state that slang is incorrect? I find it rather...pointless.

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Originally posted by Ferenan
Hmm..since you INSIST on correcting my grammar..

"I'll be anal, if that is the expectation you have constructed for me(This statement makes no sense. well..not that it doesnt make sense, it just sounds funny. it should be "If that is what you expect of me"). You should first learn to form a contraction correctly; it is "you're", not "your". "Bogus" is a simple subjective comment(im pretty sure bogus is slang for wrong or incorrect). I have substanitaed(spelling error) my arguments, which is more than I can say for you and have also refrained from making personal insults(incorrect sentence structure, "I have substantiated and have also refrained from making personal insults" should be together, and THEN refer to me after you have finished the complete thought about yourself). You may insult me if you like but like I said before, it has no place here."

I never said that. I simply said that not everything has to has(spelling error, should be have) a weakness. Do not misconstrue what I say.


I type "your" because im lazy. Its not like you go around everyone that uses "2" instead of "to" to stop doing it. And i wasn't going to pick on your spelling mistakes but you insist on picking mine out.

Edit: Sorry Britt, i didn't see your post til after i posted. Im not really insulting him, just replying kind of.

Edit 2: Interestingly enough..i have a question actually..What would prevent my team from NOT being level 99, but level 98? And what would prevent me from using Fully grown Ninjas with the Calculator skill to cast Level three Death? or even use calculator skills on myself? Wouldnt that prevent you from healing yourself and dealing damage at the same time? Not to mention if im faster and i use level three death with all of my chars, i am bound to kill them all. And even if you spend your 1 or 2 guys left reviving your own, couldnt i just keep casting level three death til all your guys dropped?

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I don't understand why people take stuff other people say so seriously. I love tactics but come on guys, who gives a rip? Ninja is by far the best class without any help at all from any other group. TG Cid's squire is the best if you use help from other classes IMHO. cya guys: tongue:

The lack of any long range attacks is what makes knights a weak class. They have high PA and they can break equipment and lower stats, but they need to be right next to an enemy to do anything. Classes like monks, lancers, ninjas, and samurai are able to deal long range damage. Some of these classes are so adept at long range attacks that they would be able to defeat a party of knights without any casualties. I am of course assuming no secondary skills and R/S/M from other classes for the purpose of discussion.