America Under Attack thread (read first, please)

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Originally posted by ErdricksArmor


You know, it's really sick and twisted of you to generalize an entire race of people like that.

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I didn't mean to generalize, ErdricksArmor. I ment in my post those who took such a joy out from that, and I'm sure most of us knows not all Palestinians like that.
I'm sure there were many people who didn't celebrate this day in there. I still believe that most of them were happy, and that much I will generalize: Most Palestinians.

Those number are strange coincidence indeed, and I believe it's just coincidence.

It's only now that people really realise just what other people in this world might feel.

If we went and retaliated, and bombed a city in Afghanistan and then celebrated at the result... think about it. Why do something unless it's worth celebrating, to you? Should we (and I say 'we' as I feel like I'm just as affected by this as every other person... though, I'm not, as I am a New Zealander) go and do exactly what they have done?

I liked how the Gulf War was sorted out, even though innocent lives were lost, it was done in minimal numbers - just pick off the important military buildings, and you're sorted. That's how this should be done - should it be a country. If it's a terrorist group... well, then, we have a nice group of countries that are more than willing to help us, so hey, let's go find 'em.

I've found that some leaders are actually more willing to go and get these terrorist groups than the Americans... weird, that. Though... I don't think anyone has really felt the full blow of this. It's only day one (in New Zealand, it was 1am today, aka the 12th)... no more than 20 hours have passed, so... yeah. I hate to think what could still come. I got exams tomorrow, and I'm pissed, coz my mind is now on other things...

I hate war, totally. It bites, big time.

I think Skanker deserves more credit for this poem, as it will not get too many views in the Writer's Corner:

The Innocents

Joe sits at his desk,
does his job,
lives his life,
does his best.

Joe died today
Sitting at his desk.
Doing his job,
Doing his best.

He won't get a chance
To live his life again.
Because a few don't
Care about the innocents.

Magnify your problems,
Increase your frustrations.
Construct your bombs,
And destroy all nations.

With the world this way,
everything must change.
Because it seems to me
That the innocents are no longer.

A terrible terrorist attack on you people in NY.
Hope everything improves and Bush gets rid of the people responsible!

It's such a shock!

I grieve with you all!

Soon there will be a time when all these things will just be a thing of the past but until then, we all need to help each other!

I have to be honest here, I'm siding with Asoire.

In fact, I'd like to quote from a discussion I had last night. I said that justice and war are entirely two different things, to which my friend (an American, unlike me) said...

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THe US would go in with a lot more force, trust me, if the US goes in, its going to be sateration bombing, you would see rives of fire droping from the sky. You don't get it, by doing what thay did, thay called for no quarter, the US will respond, and it will respond hard, if there is a country behind this, that country will be distroyed, totaly. If that means killing every man woman and child in that country, thay will still do it, and a warning to anyone else who might want to try.

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The sad thing is, I believe that this is the kind of thing that the US would do. Scorched Earth. And two wrongs certainly do not make a right.

I may sound very British here, but a true retort here should in my opinion not factor all out aggression in an already frail world. If I were in charge, allow intelligence to discover the people responsible and arrange a SUBTLE line of covert assassinations. Just because they (whoever 'they' are) killed thousands of your innocents doesn't mean that you should do the same to theirs.

"Lowly lifeforms" as Edea would say.
WWIII has a high possibility of happening. It's not gonna be a power-ursurping war, it's gonna be a religion-fighting war. Didn't you know? The hatred between Muslims and the US have been an age-old enmity.

If Muslims hated the United States, why do so many Muslims live the Untied States?

It may be my atheist attitude shining through, guys, but I think leaping on numbers and prophesizing Doomsday because of them is foolish. I realize that we are all mad with grief, but one must always keep one's head. I think that dwelling over Nostradamus and Revelation is foolish to even bother with, while right in front of us we have more to worry about. Jumping at shadows like this is just making everything worse for everyone, I think.

Second, I wish people would stop pointing fingers. I know that this is a terrible time, and that many people need restitution for this atrocity. However, cruxifying the Afghans, Palestinians, and Israelis for a troupe of immature dancing... imbeciles is wrong. A group of insane civilians does not point at a corrupt government, So, until we have solid proof of anything, we must not be so insulting and hasty. Afghanistan and Palastine have spoken out against the celebrations, and Israel has gone so far as to declare September 12 a day of silent tragedy and mourning.

Even if we did have solid evidence as to who organized this, (and we do not. The hijackers could just as easily be crazed Americans. There is no reason to seriously maintain that Muslims have done this.) we would merely be doing the same thing again that they have done to us, by bombing them. We weep for terrorism and choose to solve it with.. a massacre of more innocent lives? I should hope not.

Hi,

I just read through all the thread just now. I like to make a few comments. If they seem offensive, sorry but we all have our own opinions.


First of all, my prayers and thoughts go out to the victims families and the injured.

I guess I can go into what I was thinking. Yes, I am an American, and yes I was sick to see what I saw on the TV yesterday. Nowdays, I have to say, we shouldnt be shocked about anything. All you see is violence. You see in on TV, read about on the newspaper. We as a nation have been weak. Yes weak, I will say that cause that is how I feel. I feel like we dont punish people the proper way. Like Bin Ladin, this nut has been on the run for what 3 years, have we caught him, no we have not. We are suppose to be the world police, and the world meator(didnt spell that right). We as a country cant do this all, yes we get some support from our allies in europe and were ever else we can. But as a country, its time for the leaders to stop talking crap and start doing something about it by actions. Personally who ever is responsible should be killed. My personal opinion, and yes I would have to say this is what the majority of Adult Americans think, you dont come to america and do this to us. I know alot of people are not of age, I mean no offense to you, you feel as sick as everyone else here in america, in some of the threading i read, someone menitioned there going to kill us like it was a joke at school, I probably would have said, what if your family member or someone you knew was there, you wouldnt joke about it.

We arnt going to go to WW3, I highly doubt that, if we go to war, were going after the people responsbily for it. I look at this way, if s*** hits the s*** fan, we would be drafting people with the draft. I will gladly go and defend my country, It just pisses me off that our leaders talk crap but yet never do anything about it. If we the free world leader then, we need to act like it, I feel to a degree maybe we might have prevented this if we had taken measures along time ago. Yes, our government does so much crap under the table, we dont know what is really going on unless your in the intellengece community.

As for the palestines celebrating what was happening,
well thats just there feelings. Personally dont think they have ever cared for us, as well as other people. People will be allowed to have their own opinion, including us. No one will forget what happened yesterday, I know I wont.

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Originally posted by Britt
If Muslims hated the United States, why do so many Muslims live the Untied States?

It may be my atheist attitude shining through, guys, but I think leaping on numbers and prophesizing Doomsday because of them is foolish. I realize that we are all mad with grief, but one must always keep one's head. I think that dwelling over Nostradamus and Revelation is foolish to even bother with, while right in front of us we have more to worry about. Jumping at shadows like this is just making everything worse for everyone, I think.

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I am also pretty much athiest, and I don't think this means God's going to be shooting us down with lightning. I think the terrorists worked their attack like that on purpose, meaning maybe there's more destruction ahead. I'm praying(You would be surprised how much religion changes this has put me through) there's not.

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Second, I wish people would stop pointing fingers. I know that this is a terrible time, and that many people need restitution for this atrocity. However, cruxifying the Afghans, Palestinians, and Israelis for a troupe of immature dancing... imbeciles is wrong. A group of insane civilians does not point at a corrupt government, So, until we have solid proof of anything, we must not be so insulting and hasty. Afghanistan and Palastine have spoken out against the celebrations, and Israel has gone so far as to declare September 12 a day of silent tragedy and mourning.

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Israel is on our side, isn't it?
I could also see why they'd rejoice. Some are bastards, yes, but some don't know more than "All Americans are evil."
Hmm, maybe because we forced them off their land to live in refugee camps? Could be.

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Even if we did have solid evidence as to who organized this, (and we do not. The hijackers could just as easily be crazed Americans. There is no reason to seriously maintain that Muslims have done this.) we would merely be doing the same thing again that they have done to us, by bombing them. We weep for terrorism and choose to solve it with.. a massacre of more innocent lives? I should hope not.

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I'm hoping there won't be jumping to conclusions, but most evidence points to Bin-ladin. Still, I don't care who it is, these people deserve cold-hearted, brutal death. Japan attacked a military target at Pearl Harbour-that's different. These evil...I can't even think of a word to describe them beyond that...they knowingly took the lives of THOUSANDS. Not military, innocent civilians who were just doing their job. It just sickens me, to the pit of my soul.

I jus hope this Chaos doesn't lead to a WAR!!! not World World III....i jus hope they settle themselves down without a WAR..

If you're asking me, which you're not, but I'm telling it anyway, America is uncapable of fighting, let alone, evading it. And what's important is not who did it, why they did it or what to do against it. What's important is what we can learn from this. Apparently, Bush hasn't learned a thing. What did I hear him say?

"We will hunt down and destroy the man who did this!!"

Alright, whoever did this needs to be punished, I'm not going to argue this. But hunting him down, that means he hasn't learned a thing from what happened here. What will Bush's actions lead to? Most probably WW3. I guess he's looking for war. He hasn't done anything humane since he became president.

Death penalty ==> inhumane.
Kyoto-scandal ==> inhumane.
Planning to invade Afghanistan ==> inhumane.
Wanting war in general ==> inhumane.

Being attacked by terrorists is nothing to be surprised about if you're doing these things. After all, Nostradamus did talk about 3 world wars, the third beginning with the Brothers (WTC - Towers) being attacked by magical birds (the airplanes) ...