is Sephiroth the best bad guy in the series?

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11-27-2006, 04:51 AM
Forsaken Lover

Ness is from EarthBound. He's this kid who basically can beat the crap out of one of the most powerful RPG villains of all time who is nothing more than an incorporeal mass of energy with a plain old baseball bat. His psychic powers are also quite immense and Seph has no defense against that.

And you are quite right on the EU Jedi. As for demi-god, it's how I calll him. He may very well have been a god but I've simply gotten into the habit of calling him a demigod. Not many ultra-powerful beings are known as gods, actually from what I've seen. If a villain has tremendous power, people refer to them as demi-gods.
11-27-2006, 03:28 PM
The Crystal

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he's really weak all in all for becoming a god.

Sephiroth is not so weak. He can controll all magic in FFVII world, and can at least, destroy the surface of a planet.
11-27-2006, 04:00 PM
feioncastor

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he's really weak all in all for becoming a god.

Sephiroth is not so weak. He can controll all magic in FFVII world, and can at least, destroy the surface of a planet.

It's funny because Kefka is not only able to do that stuff, he actually does it.

Sephiroth isn't really evil. Jenova isn't really evil. Listen to the stuff he says when he kills someone. He talks about them joining the lifestream and all this beautiful afterlife stuff, as if he was trying to better a situation and killed when he cause demanded it.

Look at Kefka. He has no real reason to kill. He has no greater cause. He kills because he likes to watch things die. He just likes to hear the sound of people in agony. He wants to bring despair and completely kill off the idea of hope. When Kefka kills someone, he doesn't get all philosophical "lifestream" or anything. He laughs. And if the game were made with better graphics, you'd probably see him urinating on the person he just killed.
11-27-2006, 04:01 PM
YTDN

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he's really weak all in all for becoming a god.

Sephiroth is not so weak. He can controll all magic in FFVII world, and can at least, destroy the surface of a planet.

So? Kuja could destroy the entire planet. Kefka controls all the magic in the FFVI world. Ultimecia can control time. Sin can vapourise whole armies. Compared to other FF villains, Sephiroth isn't actually that awesome.
11-27-2006, 04:10 PM
Forsaken Lover

Oh come on, man! Can't you see the awesomeness and power of Sephiroth? Well, maybe if you put him next to Shuyin, Heidegger and Queen Brahne...THEN you can see the total immensity of his evil and power. Especially Shuyin. Next to Shuyin, Sephiroth is Satan.

But, then you put him alongside to Kefka and he's more along the lines of a tiny yelping poodle next to a full-grown and ravenous boxer. One won't shut up and probably could nip your ankle. The other won't shut up and will rip your throat out.
11-27-2006, 04:22 PM
feioncastor

And Sephiroth's ever famous "Supernova" (which takes way too long to happen) can't actually kill anyone, unlike Kefka's Goner or Zeromus's Big Bang.

Especially Big Bang. That killed me many times.
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Sephiroth isn't that powerful. For one thing, the real Sephiroth is a human like Cloud. I'm pretty sure that Bizarro Sephiroth is actually Jenova. I'm pretty sure that every Sephiroth you see in the game, except in flashbacks, is actually Jenova because I think Cloud threw Sephiroth into a Mako Reactor before the game chronologically begins.

And the Sephiroth you actually see isn't really that great either. When you fight him at the end, he's sort of tough, but he isn't that strong in comparison to other FF final bosses (*cough* Zeromus *cough*).

And apart from the actual fight itself, Sephiroth's power isn't that great. He can try to summon a meteor to hit the planet, but Kefka would use his flame of Judgement to toast Sephiroth, where ever he was at on the planet, and then he'd just let the meteor hit the planet since he likes stuff dying anyway.
11-27-2006, 04:36 PM
Avarice-ness

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Oh come on, man! Can't you see the awesomeness and power of Sephiroth? Well, maybe if you put him next to Shuyin, Heidegger and Queen Brahne...THEN you can see the total immensity of his evil and power. Especially Shuyin. Next to Shuyin, Sephiroth is Satan.

But, then you put him alongside to Kefka and he's more along the lines of a tiny yelping poodle next to a full-grown and ravenous boxer. One won't shut up and probably could nip your ankle. The other won't shut up and will rip your throat out.

Oh -that- was awesome. I have this undying need to draw Sephy Poodle and Kefka Boxer. You my friend have made my day. :)
11-27-2006, 04:47 PM
feioncastor

I just realized something.

Okay, you know how Supernova can't kill you?

Well, here's what I was thinking. What if Sephy went up against Chupon/Typoon? First, Sephiroth would use Supernova, weakening the heck of Chupon, but definitely not killing him.

And then..... Chupon would Sneeze Sephiroth out of the battle, which technically counts as a loss because if that happens in the Colleseum, you lose your bid.

Even so, being the "best" villian doesn't mean being the most powerful. Look at Ultros. Is he the most powerful? No. But is the best? Possibly.

Sephiroth's problem isn't his lack of power, because relative to the others living in his world (which doesn't include Kefka), Sephiroth was powerful. It's not his power that I question. It's his motive. He's not killing for the sake of evil and villainy. He's doing it because he thinks it's the right thing do. He's doing what he feels is best. That's not a villain. That's a stupid/crazy person.
11-27-2006, 06:09 PM
Diango12

Its common everyone knows Sephiroth is the ultimate BA. There are alot of types of villians theres the insane, the misguided, the manipulative and insedious, and theres Sephiroth the Badass

Sephiroth lost his mind, declared himself a member of the Cetra and decendent of an ancient race that were, in his mind, betrayed by humans, and then flew off half-cocked and razed Nibelheim. He couldn't mentally handle the truth of his origins and instead settled for a distorted version of the truth in which he was meant to become the next "Jenova" and become one with the planet.

He was never the "chosen one" by any means. He was the result of genetic experimentation performed by his psychotic father... artificially endowed with the power of the greatest enemy the Cetra had ever faced.
11-27-2006, 07:04 PM
The Crystal

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So? Kuja could destroy the entire planet. Kefka controls all the magic in the FFVI world. Ultimecia can control time. Sin can vapourise whole armies. Compared to other FF villains, Sephiroth isn't actually that awesome.

And compared to other villains, Sephiroth is not that weak(like some people are saying). Having controll over magic(Lifestream) in the world, and being capable of destroying the surface of a planet, put him in the same level of Kefka.
And we don't know if Kuja can destroy a planet or only the surface of it.
11-27-2006, 07:42 PM
Ryushikaze

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So? Kuja could destroy the entire planet. Kefka controls all the magic in the FFVI world. Ultimecia can control time. Sin can vapourise whole armies. Compared to other FF villains, Sephiroth isn't actually that awesome.

And compared to other villains, Sephiroth is not that weak(like some people are saying). Having controll over magic(Lifestream) in the world, and being capable of destroying the surface of a planet, put him in the same level of Kefka.
And we don't know if Kuja can destroy a planet or only the surface of it.

Even if it's the lower figure, planet glassing is hardly something to scoff at, and something neither Kefka or Sephiroth actually completed. Kefka threw the balance largely out of whack in his initial act of shoving the statues about, and given that he didn't totally eradicate planetary life suggests that he was unable to do so for one reason or another (I mean, do you really think Kefka would STOP pointing the Uberlaser at people if he could run it nonstop?). In any case, Kefka managed the destruction in a matter of minutes/hours. Kefka hadn't succeeded after a whole year. Speaks to a major difference in their power outputs.
11-27-2006, 07:47 PM
Avarice-ness

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So? Kuja could destroy the entire planet. Kefka controls all the magic in the FFVI world. Ultimecia can control time. Sin can vapourise whole armies. Compared to other FF villains, Sephiroth isn't actually that awesome.

And compared to other villains, Sephiroth is not that weak(like some people are saying). Having controll over magic(Lifestream) in the world, and being capable of destroying the surface of a planet, put him in the same level of Kefka.
And we don't know if Kuja can destroy a planet or only the surface of it.

Even if it's the lower figure, planet glassing is hardly something to scoff at, and something neither Kefka or Sephiroth actually completed. Kefka threw the balance largely out of whack in his initial act of shoving the statues about, and given that he didn't totally eradicate planetary life suggests that he was unable to do so for one reason or another (I mean, do you really think Kefka would STOP pointing the Uberlaser at people if he could run it nonstop?). In any case, Kefka managed the destruction in a matter of minutes/hours. Kefka hadn't succeeded after a whole year. Speaks to a major difference in their power outputs.

Ooh, We were just talking about that in the Kefka thread. Actually Kefka only shoots his light of Judgement at towns that don't really see eye to eye with him. If he wanted everyone dead he could have, but he has control issues. No one ever said Kefka wanted to just kill everything, he just wanted to watch things suffer. You can't watch Dead things suffer. :(
11-27-2006, 07:59 PM
feioncastor

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Ooh, We were just talking about that in the Kefka thread.

That is because all things are about Kefka.
11-27-2006, 08:06 PM
The Crystal

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Ooh, We were just talking about that in the Kefka thread. Actually Kefka only shoots his light of Judgement at towns that don't really see eye to eye with him. If he wanted everyone dead he could have, but he has control issues. No one ever said Kefka wanted to just kill everything, he just wanted to watch things suffer. You can't watch Dead things suffer. :(

I agree. And what is funny, is that we can use the same argument with Sephiroth. Sephiroth begun the process of destroying the planet in the end of AC, but he would never destroy the planet before making Cloud suffer. Because he cannot watch Cloud's dead body suffer.

In my opinion, both Kefka and Sephiroth(in their most powerfull forms) can destroy the surface of a planet.
11-27-2006, 08:11 PM
MurderfaceX3

Yes....end of conversation!

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