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if i were a criminal i would always take out the threat first. after the gun owner is gone the rest are easy pickings. now i know not all criminals would think like tactical genuses. but the ones i worry about do.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionx
also, in regards to the post above mine, thats what security guards and police officers are for, to stop people from doing that.
Actually, I think the tactical genius criminal would be scoping out the targets where he's not going to get shot at all because they don't have a gun. More probably, the tactical genius criminal will be pulling off far more impressive and profitable crimes than simply thuggish theft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
Indeed. And if we had about, oh, three security guards/police per person, it might even work. Do you have police sitting around your house all day? Well, guess what? I can't afford to hire round the clock security. But I can afford a gun, and it seems to work just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
Oh, yes, and this isn't tactical genius, this is either extreme stupidity or a major logical fallacy. The others will be easy pickings anyway. The gun owner is protecting his own stuff. It's not like he can protect everyone at once. All you'd be doing is sticking your neck out in an attempt to set off a trap. Basically you'd do nothing but come up with a good chance of getting yourself killed. It wouldn't alter the opportunities elsewhere at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
Agreed, i would think(and most people would too) that you be a total retard to break into the house with the MOST resistance. You want money, you want goods, and unless its a home invasion theres no need for you to face anyone. That, and how the hell do you know anyone has a gun? Unless you were going to rob a close friend.
That and if police and guards are there to prevent that, we wouldnt have any problems at all if we could count on them for everything.
Agreed.Quote:
Oh, yes, and this isn't tactical genius, this is either extreme stupidity or a major logical fallacy. The others will be easy pickings anyway. The gun owner is protecting his own stuff. It's not like he can protect everyone at once. All you'd be doing is sticking your neck out in an attempt to set off a trap. Basically you'd do nothing but come up with a good chance of getting yourself killed. It wouldn't alter the opportunities elsewhere at all.
so what kind of high tech security system do you have that will let you know someone is breaking into your house while you are sleeping. whats going to wake you up? if you had a gun, and i knew this i would want to turn the ambush on you. if i dont then that gives you time to ambush me.
and seriously people their are more ways to protect yourself then with guns. non-lethal ways
(directed to everyone but ShunNakamura due to his non piercing bullets.)
yes skyblade i am a criminal. i just want to shoot everyone. i did it yesterday too. tomorrow i'll be placing bombs in new york. because i'm a low down dirty criminal me. oh yes that's true.
A utopian society doesn't require firearms to be sold, so why bother. Take an example of UK, even police doesn't carry weapons there. So why on earth would you need a pistol, unless every jerk from the other side of the road can get one in a supermarket. Legal gun sales increase the criminality rate, so I think it'd be better to leave our security to the responsible authorities.
One time, a guy escaped a looney bin from Ohio, made it to my house in Chisago City, MN. The cops were detainging him and BANG! The man got one of thier guns and blew cops hand off... right in my living room.
I come home the next day and my dad was cleaning up blood that was puddled and splattered all over the place. The next day we were zerged by news crews.
See - guns can get you on tv! I do not think that cops should carry guns on them at all times. Too accessable. I do think its a bad idea to carry guns all over with ya. I do think you should be able to have them for sports, and or private resedential use.
Bipper
btw here is proof:http://www.ecmpostreview.com/2002/june/13officer.html
And as I posted before, crime rates in the UK are often worse than in the US, burglaries in particular, since lately we've been talking about protecting our home.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxGrin
also most criminals don't buy guns at stores. its too easy to trace the weopon. they buy their guns black market style. so having guns sold in stores doesn't contribute to gun crimes.
Trust me, most criminals aren't as bright as you think and don't actually kill anyone. Its just enough to point the gun at someone to make him understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukiKiro
and most criminals that do that usually use something else since they have no inclination to kill anyone. there was a robbery around here recently and the store was robbed with a bee bee gun made to look like a semi auto. the really psychotic and mentally unstable may use a real gun, but they leave a trail so large they might as well have tried to steal the empire state building and drag it down the street, so they normally don't stay on the street for too long. either that or they OD on something and die. drug money is sometimes what its all about.
And how does this differ in any way from NOT having a gun?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
Yes, and are these ways A) Affordable to everyone B) Easy used by everyone C) Able to level the playing field between a single victim and multiple attackers, or between a healthy and strong individual against a frail, weak, or unhealthy one?Quote:
and seriously people their are more ways to protect yourself then with guns. non-lethal ways
1) i dont understand your first question.
2)yes
Of course you don't understand. If you did, you wouldn't be working to commit the stupidest crimes in the world. Still, if you want to take out the biggest threat first go rob the Federal Reserve. Of course, would robbing that change your odds of successfully robbing my house? Nope, not at all. The principle holds the same. I wish more people like you were criminals, because we'd have a lot fewer of them (they wouldn't last that long).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fithos
Besides, as I've said before, guns are not always lethal. Even if they did always kill, I quite frankly wouldn't give a damn. You want to survive, you shouldn't break into my house.