KFC Cruelty.

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Originally Posted by OdinDragoon

Uh... YEAH we do... If we didn't kill animals we'd be dead. Its as simple as that. We cannot live off of fruit and veggies, so don't go there.

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negative. boiled eggs have protein. some cereals have protein. some nuts have protein. how do you think vegatarians and vegans live?

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Originally Posted by Dreddz

I wasnt taking that Popeye thing seriously!
Anyways, while Vegetables dont contain protein or fat, they contain vitamins like vitamin B and vitamin C, fat soluble vitamins including vitamin A and vitamin D, and also contain carbohydrates and minerals.

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Of course. I didn't say eat all meat and no vegetables. You need both for a balanced diet.

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Originally Posted by Anaisa

We don't just have to eat soy beans to get protein or iron. There are plenty of foods we can eat to obtain more than enough protein. The protein found in meat is more plentiful than the protein in a soy bean. But the protein in soy beans is better for you. Quality over quantity. From Wikipedia:
The American Dietetic Association, the largest organization of nutrition professionals, states on its website "Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals. Vegetarians have been reported to have lower body mass indices than nonvegetarians, as well as lower rates of death from ischemic heart disease; vegetarians also show lower blood cholesterol levels; lower blood pressure; and lower rates of hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and prostate and colon cancer." The American Heart Association's website states "Many studies have shown that vegetarians seem to have a lower risk of obesity, coronary heart disease (which causes heart attack), high blood pressure, diabetes mellitus and some forms of cancer.
Vegetarians get all the protein and amino acids they need from eating a normal variety of whole grains (whole wheat bread, oatmeal, brown rice), beans, nuts, and soy (tofu, veggie burgers/hotdogs, edamame, etc). The lower protein intake of vegetarians has been suggested as a possible cause of some of the health benefits above.

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Not enough for me. As someone who exercises regularly, I require a substantial amount of protein on a daily basis. Much more than I get from eating my fruits, vegetables, wholegrains, etc. Therefore I (and many others) need to eat meat.

Actually, that's a funny thought: I go for approximately 180grams of protein per day. Imagine the amount of beans, nuts, wholegrains, eggs and tofu I'd have to eat to get that :laugh:

And even if I didn't need that much protein, I'd certainly still make meat a part of my daily diet. Heck, I hunt moose and small game in the fall. Its completely natural for humans to eat meat. Certainly more natural than it is for humans to not eat meat.

Plus, it does point out that vegetarians in general are slighter. Meat (with exercise) allows you to put on lean muscle. I certainly wouldn't want to be slighter, due to not eating enough of the right things. If you exercise enough (like anyone should) the fat and cholesterol consumed is burned off by your metabolism anyways. And to be more fit you need some amount of muscle, and meat is necessary for that.

Anyways, the point of this whole thread is animal suffering. And if being a vegetarian is your way of thinking a veggie diet has nothing to do with animal suffereing, then think again. See the link below:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

Yeah, this guy is known for bashing, but he does have valid arguments, in the fact that animals still do suffer, from harvesters, and so on.

That aside, it still completely scientifically natural for humans to kill animals to eat. Hence, they suffer. Its part of the ecosystem, and of all creation. It actually keeps a healthy balance in the food chain, and the earth's ecosystem.

Stop linking to Maddox! It isn't a good arguement! It's not even an arguement!
He's joking. Do people really not get that? It's so obvious! He talks about eating vegetarians, he isn't serious.

All this stuff about whether or not we have the 'right' to kill animals... too many people think those opposing factory farming are just whiny self-righteous vegetarians. Not a lot of people have actually complained about the killing of animals. This isn't just vegetarinas trying to force opinions on you. Not even close (though Anasia's gotten a little too loving of them).
Factory farming is wrong. It's completely unnessecary, and disgustingly cruel. Causing people pointless pain for profit is bad. No matter what you do. And they are doing it for profit. Which is bad.

And too many Fantasy Fan is complaining about PETA. They aren't evil. A few are idiots, yeah, but you get that everywhere. You can't say torture is OK because of stupid steriotypes.

So... there's isn't anything wrong with killing animals for food. That's nature. Keeping them in conditions like that for months, and the growth hormone stuff to make them better, isn't. Animals kill, yes, but they don't do that.

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

That aside, it still completely scientifically natural for humans to kill animals to eat. Hence, they suffer. Its part of the ecosystem, and of all creation. It actually keeps a healthy balance in the food chain, and the earth's ecosystem.

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There's a huge difference between just killing the animals and factory farming. It doesn't do anything for the ecosystem, it's completely taken out of the way of it. It isn't at all healthy.
And there's a difference between just death and torture. Well, that sounds stupid but... killing is one thing. Torture is another. They don't need to suffer like that. No one does, no one should.

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Originally Posted by crazybayman

There's still no natural source of protein and iron that equals what's found in meat. Not to mention the other nutrients.

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Actually, and apparently, the fake vegetarian meats you can get are better for you than actual meat. They contain all the protein, as well as some extra things, and not all of the fat. A vegetarina diet is perfactly healthy, if you do it right.

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Originally Posted by RPJesus

Stop linking to Maddox! It isn't a good arguement! It's not even an arguement!

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Of course he isn't serious, I didn't say he was. But in all fairness, he does have valid points. Such as the amount of animals killed by grain harvesters, for instance.

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Originally Posted by RPJesus

Actually, and apparently, the fake vegetarian meats you can get are better for you than actual meat. They contain all the protein, as well as some extra things, and not all of the fat. A vegetarina diet is perfactly healthy, if you do it right.

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True, it can be. However, my point is that a regularly balanced diet consisting of the necessary meats, fruits & veggies, wholegrains, etc, is perfectly normal, and natural. More natural in fact than refusing to eat meat.

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Originally Posted by RPJesus

There's a huge difference between just killing the animals and factory farming. It doesn't do anything for the ecosystem, it's completely taken out of the way of it. It isn't at all healthy.
And there's a difference between just death and torture. Well, that sounds stupid but... killing is one thing. Torture is another. They don't need to suffer like that. No one does, no one should.

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I know. Factory farming is wrong, I echoed this in a previous post (see post #224). My other point is that its completely pointless to boycott just KFC because of factory farming, as many other food products, even what we buy at the supermarket are processed in the same manner.

I went into KFC today
I bought the chicken
Thought about this thread
Thought about my tummy rumbling
Ate the chicken

Everytime i see a video like that, I say i'm never going to eat meat again.
But then i forget about it, get hungry and go have a burger.
It's a shame this sort of thing happens, but there's not enough tasty foods for vegetarians.
A steak tastes alot better than a salad sandwich.

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Everytime i see a video like that, I say i'm never going to eat meat again.
But then i forget about it, get hungry and go have a burger.

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That is what I was driving at, yet some thought it was a stupid and pointless thing to do ...

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how do you think vegatarians and vegans live?

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Terribly, unless they're rich enough to buy all the supplements. My girlfriend was a veggie, and it made her very feeble, her hair fell off, etc... she went to a doctor, and that doctor told her to start eating meat. She reluctantly ate some at first, and learnt to enjoy it as time went by. Her hair looks great now, her skin pigmentation a whole lot better, and she's much more vital all together.

I know that when I lay off meat, for whatever reason, I notice the change in me almost immediatly. I depend on meat.

I think it's easier for women to be veggies... but men would find it a lot harder. We have more muscle-mass to support, plus many of us seem to have this craving for meat. I often crave chocolate or a good steak.

Its just natural to eat meat. They don't call us Omivoires for nothing

This thread is way too long for me to sit and read the whole thing, so sorry for that. But I finally got around to watching the video attached, and it was definitely disturbing, to say the least. However, there are disturbing things taking place behind the scenes of almost anything you can think of, so when I hear of things like this I can't help but shrug and go, "oh well". I won't stop eating meat because of this, just like I won't stop playing soccer because most of the balls are sewn by starving children in thrid world countries for little to no pay. And if I'm hungry enough and all thats nearby is a KFC, I will have me some chicken. It's sad, its cruel, but its life. Most chicken in the world, thankfully, are treated with a little more respect than that. But in all honesty I would rather put my strength into advocating a cause that affects the world more greatly than harm to chickens. I am not without heart for these animals, but my heart is all I have to give them. Which really doesn't take away the pain.

I don't get why vegetarians are trying to validate their eating choices/pushing that eating meat is wrong and why non-vegetarians are validating their own eating choices/pushing that vegetarians are dumb. Just eat whatever the hell you want. There are more important things to talk about. Oh yeah, and this thread was about cruelty to chickens, not the advantages or disadvantages of being a vegetarian, so please get back on topic.

KFC bad, Juan Pollo better.

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Originally Posted by boris no no

Its just natural to eat meat. They don't call us Omivoires for nothing

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Thats not the point, its how were killing them thats the problem. I was outraged from the clip not because they were killing chickens, it for how brutally they did it...

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Originally Posted by Chris

I'm never eating at KFC again. I knew that is was out of hand, but not to this extend. ><

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Mmmhmm, that's why I get my chicken from somewhere else. I got KFC one day and found something that I was sure was not supposed to be there in it. I never went back again.

Ew >.< That's horrible.

...but I'm still gonna eat chickens, sorry.